Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Magdalena Jensen, former music industry exec turned transformational coach, conflict mediator, and host of MJ’s Magic Hour Podcast. In this episode, we will talk about her meeting with Mary Magdalene, what she learned from past life regressions, and encounters with her spirit guides.
Magdalena, welcome to the program.
Magdalena Jensen: Thanks, Johnny. I’m super excited to be here. This is going to be a fun conversation.
Johnny Burke: Without question, former music industry execs. So were you in
A & R or were you touring? Were you a musician?
Magdalena Jensen: All of the above except musician . I learned to play a lot of instruments as a kid. and my mom is musical. My dad is musical. but it was just never my thing but music has always been a really important part of my life.
So I started as a tour manager. That’s the story of many people that enter the music industry without parents already in it, right?
So I started out as a tour manager and kind of clawed my way up, quite frankly, and ended up owning, my own company, a music agency. Co-owning with my co-founder I co-founded a record label as well in which I am still the creative director. Just for shits and giggles because it’s fun too . It’s fun,
Johnny Burke: You said it not me. Yeah. Yeah.
Magdalena Jensen: It’s a little creative outlet for myself. And I co-founded a Pan-European nonprofit and fundraised a few hundred thousand euro for some projects we did.
Johnny Burke: Sounds like a lot of fun. So, how did you make the transition from that world to the world of the transformational coach, energy healer, and that whole scene?
Magdalena Jensen: Yeah. great question. I burned out really badly in 2008, almost five years ago at this point, I burned out. I was. burning all the candles at all ends, and it’s an industry that doesn’t really allow for a concept of work-life balance or a much, prioritizing your wellness. I burned out in 2018.
I was in the hospital for it, but I hadn’t really identified that I need to, I need to make some major changes, right? And so I went straight on back into kind of the hustle and grind of being a small business owner and being a woman in the music industry with this constant need to prove yourself. And in the music industry, there are very few metrics for success. There are only 10 people who can be at the top of the charts every week, right?
Johnny Burke: It’s true, very true.
Magdalena Jensen: So it’s a very cutthroat competitive environment and I needed a change and as the pandemic changed the world, it also changed me and was a massive impetus for me to make a huge lifestyle change.
I retrained. I had already trained as a non-violent communications conflict mediator a decade before. And so it was very natural for me to kind of move into this self-development, personal development, wellness direction.
Johnny Burke: Okay. So what exactly is a transformational coach and how is it different from let’s say, like an energy healer or anything in that realm? Because I know there’s lots of different modalities. So what is the difference?
Magdalena Jensen: Yeah. So I am not an energy healer for sure, but I am a transformational coach, and I am a conflict mediator, as I said, and I’m a sacred space holder. I do bring a lot of energetics into my coaching. But very precisely I work with the whole person, I coach the whole person through whatever kind of change and transformation they want to create in their life. A lot of people are like, oh, are you a life coach? oh, are you a career coach? Yes and no. Right? I’m all those things in one because I don’t believe that it’s possible to fragment ourselves as human beings. And in fact, I believe that that’s what leads to so much misalignment. It’s certainly kind of that ignoring of myself as a multi-dimensional human being is what led me to burnout.
And I believe that’s the case for many, many people. When I was kind of looking to make some changes and looking to retrain a holistic approach was really, really appealing for me. I’ve always been really interested in neuroscience, how the brain works, human interactions, social psychology, all of these kinds of humanities and human-related topics
Johnny Burke: Isn’t it true though? I find many people that are energy healers also use the transformational coach somewhere in their identity. Do you find the same thing
Magdalena Jensen: Maybe, I don’t know. I think that all things can lead to transformation. I think what’s maybe really significant and important in the work that I do is that I believe that you are whole, complete, and resourceful exactly as you are. You are not broken, and you do not need to be fixed. We have everything we need. I am not above you. I’m not a guru. I don’t know more than you. I help you to know your best truth, to know what is best for you. I help you really dig into and uncover your wisdom sovereignty, autonomy, and freedom. These are some of my top values, integrity.
So I really try to keep in a partnership with my clients. I will never put myself above them. I find that in the spiritual healing community, there can be a tendency towards gurus or pedestal someone or, putting yourself into a place of being a bit of a victim or below someone else and really looking up to other people, that they have an ability or something that you don’t have. I’m not interested in that kind of dynamic.
Johnny Burke: I’ve just noticed that when I talk to people about energy healing because we are all energy after all. The life coach and the transformational coach, tends to be in that same group for some reason. Let’s talk about some of the things- you’ve had some experiences, actually had quite a few of them. Spirit guides, encounters with ghosts; the experience with the spirit guides, does that come first?
Magdalena Jensen: Actually, I don’t think so. I it’s a little bit difficult for me sometimes to put these in a timeline in my head. As a kid, I grew up in a household where we were very much encouraged to interact with our angels where elemental beings, elves, and these sorts of things were kind of a part of our upbringing .I can offer you two things that were some of my first experiences, palpable, tangible experiences that I recall in great detail from my childhood that people thought I was totally full of shit when I was talking to them about it.
Or when I relay this story as an adult, one of them is that I 100%, saw a leprechaun.
Johnny Burke: Wow.
Magdalena Jensen: As a little girl in kindergarten, my kindergarten teacher, Susan Jesse, was amazing. I remember everything about her. For St. Patrick’s Day, she had made a sort of, a trail of footprints around our classroom to kind of encourage us to go hunt the leprechaun sort of thing. And I saw it, I saw that elemental spirit being, it was a flash of green light. It came out kind of from behind the bookshelf peeked at us all like it didn’t want to be seen and sprinted under the radiator and went back into hiding. I loved it. It was so cool. And of course, I went home and told my mom. My mom a hundred percent believed me. Everybody else thought I was insane. but I’m really fortunate to have had parents that picked my side over everybody else’s side my entire life. So I was encouraged by these sorts of what some might consider fantasies. And we also grew up, we lived in a quite a new age community in southern Oregon, west coast at the time.
Then this other experience, is one of my absolute favorite experiences, because I was not the only one to witness it. So I have corroborators, including my whole family. So there was a gold mining town, historic gold mining town, Jacksonville, Oregon, right next to us. And one of my dad’s really, really close friends lived in one of the old big mansions in that town. It was called Tuval Mansion. And his wife refused to live there. She was a million percent sure that this house was haunted, and she absolutely would never sleep there. And to be fair, that house creeped me out so much as a child. There were like really cold corridors. Doors slamming at random times. It was the creepiest house ever.
I almost never went inside of it. And she wouldn’t live there, so he bought the house next door for her to sleep in actually, I know
Johnny Burke: That’s great.
Magdalena Jensen: I know
Right. And so they eventually sold the house because obviously it wasn’t like super great for their marriage, and they moved somewhere else and I remember we went back a few years later because the mansion was turned into a bed and breakfast and at Christmas time they were having like a, you know, open house come, have a hot cocoa in the new, beautifully restored mansion bed and breakfast situation.
So we went with my parents and my mom. We were sitting in the parlor, and it was quite a big open welcome room after the foyer and there’s a dining room off to the side of it, very visible from where we were sitting. And in the dining room, there was a whole buffet of, cookies, cakes, chocolates, all candle lined, beautifully lit up in candles. This is wintertime, no open windows. I want to add all of these details because they’re relevant. So we’re sitting in the parlor and my mom is asking these new owners,” how are your guests enjoying their night’s sleep in this beautiful old mansion? Have you heard any complaints? Have you had any strange stories? Because we’ve heard some interesting stories about this particular home.” and they said, “oh yeah, we’ve had guests come down and say it’s freezing in their room in the middle of summer and needing extra blankets or, doors slamming in the middle of the night, waking them up, or knocking on the ceiling. But there’s no one living above them. We’ve had a few things, but we’ve always dismissed it because we don’t believe in ghosts .”
At that moment, when they said they didn’t believe in ghosts, all of the candles on the buffet table in the other room exploded. And this wax just like rushed out of all of these big, beautiful pillar candles all over the table. Catching fire to a cloth napkin. It was just like this as though a huge gust of wind would’ve come through to almost knock these candles off. Do you know what I mean? But there was no wind. Everything was closed. It was winter. So at that moment when they denied the ghosts, it was like, this brrrrrrrr! you can’t deny us kind of.
Johnny Burke: did you see anything like other than=
Magdalena Jensen: No apparitions, but it was an incredible felt presence. Whoever, whatever it was, 100% wanted to make sure that their presence is known and recognized and not denied. That was very clear.
Johnny Burke: Yeah, that’s pretty convincing, especially since you’ve had other people there to corroborate that. wow. I’ve never seen anything like that, but I’ve heard stories. Any more otherworldly experiences besides that one?
Magdalena Jensen: When I was 12 years old, I had a dream about my past life, and at the time I didn’t know that that’s what it was. and I only started to kind of understand that maybe that’s what it was when I was a later teenager. And then it was for sure, confirmed for me actually last year when I did a past life regression.
So I had a dream that I was in a wheat field in Northern Europe. Summer, hot day, beautiful wheat blowing in the wind. My farmhouse was over there.
My family was home. I was a young Jewish girl. I was maybe about 12 years old.
I just had this image of me coming home and going into the farmhouse. There was a menorah or some candles. There was something so clear to me that I was in a Jewish family. and from that time, I became absolutely obsessed with the Holocaust. I read every single possible book there was, starting with Anne Frank’s diary. I lived in Warsaw, Poland for a really long time where I took classes, in the psychology department, in the former SS headquarters in the former Jewish ghetto in Warsaw. I had this really kind of deep, deep, deep connection to all of that. And when I was a teenager, it just sort of came to me that maybe I was a Jewish girl in a past life, and my family, or I was persecuted in the Holocaust.
Johnny Burke: It’s pretty intense to say the very least. It seems like you’ve pretty much run the gamut, past lives, ghosts, leprechauns, that’s a first.
I’ve heard a lot of things, over the past few years. I’ve not heard of a leprechaun. still waiting for the unicorn That doesn’t come up yet.
Magdalena Jensen: Not yet. I can verify also the past life situation real quick- I did a past life regression last year with a hypnotherapist and the first life that I was I entered into was myself, a Jewish girl just after the moment that my whole family and my whole village in that same setting that I had seen when I was 12 were burned to the ground and I escaped and I was safe, but my family was not, and I went into a couple of scenes from that lifetime and some lessons that I pulled out of that particular past life regression. But for me, it was just a very, very clear corroboration of what I had seen when I was 12 and this inkling that I had kind of always had then.
Johnny Burke: So what you saw when you were 12 was confirmed in the past life regression in the session itself?
Magdalena Jensen: Right.
Johnny Burke: Okay. I’m curious, during the session, did the therapist record the session for you?
Magdalena Jensen: Yes, as well as take notes for me.
Johnny Burke: I’ve noticed that a lot of those therapists will do that. If the sitter in this case, was under the impression that nothing happened, they might have been in a trance, something like that. There’s actually a recording of it.
Magdalena Jensen: Yeah, I noticed in that past life regression, I was actually really afraid to do one for a really long time because I was afraid to let go of that much conscious control. But I noticed while I was in the process of it, I was having almost two layers of consciousness going the whole time. One was this really deep access to past lives and the other one was, a very clear contact with the present and where I was and like this metalevel awareness of what was happening.
Johnny Burke: Very good description. I like that. Almost everyone I’ve talked to remembers being awake and conscious of their surroundings. One girl I remember told me she didn’t remember the session, but she had a recording-
I always ask if there’s a recording. So you’ve had quite a few experiences.
Now we’re going to talk about the main one. I know you’ve been waiting for this and well, actually, I’ve been waiting for it too.
You had a meeting with Mary Magdalene and I believe this happened after your miscarriage. How did that happen? Other than the miscarriage, was there anything else that might have triggered that?
Magdalena Jensen: Well, my namesake is Mary Magdalene. My name is Magdalena Maria. and I always have had this thought that it’s impossible that this woman was a prostitute. This story makes no sense to me. I don’t get it.
And why would you demonize someone in that regard? in that way. So I always sort of knew that, but I have to say that I lived in Poland for my entire adult life, and I was raised Catholic as I said, but in Poland, the Catholic church is very stringent, conservative, corrupt, pretty disgusting. So in my entire twenties, I really turned my back on all of that. And I would’ve considered myself probably a very staunch atheist, maybe agnostic. I recognize a higher power because that also makes some kind of sense. I wasn’t praying, I wasn’t interested in any of my angels that I had grown up with, et cetera.
Johnny Burke: Quick question. This is important. I want to get some clarity on this because I think the difference between an agnostic and an atheist, every time one of my friends brings us up, I’m not really sure whether they even know what that means anymore. And it could be those definitions are changing. So since you brought it up, what are the differences between an atheist and an agnostic?
Magdalena Jensen: From how I understand it, an atheist is someone who believes that there is nothing. Higher power, nothing beyond us. When we die, we turn to dust. There is no such thing as an infinite soul. Perhaps there is no such thing as a soul. From an atheist perspective, we are not spiritual beings in a flesh bag, right.? From an agnostics perspective, I think there is an openness to there being something beyond what we can see- a choice to have faith in something, without there being that much acknowledgment of God as most people understand it, or Yahweh or, Jesus or Mohammed, Buddha, any of the ascended masters, gods in any of the religion.
Johnny Burke: they’re not sold yet. In other words. I’ve just noticed some people say, I’m an atheist, but I believe in reincarnation. And I thought, wait, stop.
Magdalena Jensen: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Doesn’t make any sense.
Magdalena Jensen: That doesn’t jive together.
Johnny Burke: I didn’t bring it up, but I’ve noticed that more than once.
So tell us more about the experience, what the vision actually looked like…
Magdalena Jensen: I experienced a miscarriage- that was probably the most challenging experience that I’ve ever been through in this lifetime. and I was so excited to become a mother. It was, definitely when that happened, it was like the fulfillment of my purpose. And so when I experienced the miscarriage, I went into utter depths of despair. I was, for the first time ever in my entire life questioning what’s the purpose of my existence. And suddenly I was finding myself unable to get out of bed and having these kinds of thoughts that, you know, I don’t need to be here anymore. Like, what’s the point? Having studied human psychology and having lost friends to suicide, I don’t believe that I was in that kind of state. But I scared myself with the kind of dark thoughts that I was having.
I remember that I was in London lying in bed, in depths of despair, crying suddenly so out of energy and I was just lying there contemplating these things and with my eyes closed and all of a sudden in front of me comes this- behind my eyelids, comes this vision of a woman with a red hood, like a red cloak, kind of flaming, she didn’t even have to say I’m Mary Magdalene. I knew instantly who she was. It was just so obvious. I don’t even remember what she said,
I don’t even know if There was a verbal exchange. It was more like a,
Johnny Burke: Telepathic.
Magdalena Jensen: Yes, telepathic. Your purpose is to rediscover your purpose. You are needed here. You are incredibly powerful. You will be a mother and you have to stay. This life is for you for a reason, kind of messaging. Obviously, I started crying again. I was shocked. I was so confused, but I immediately became obsessed with Mary Magdalene- immediately I think she did encourage me to go read her story. She said, you have nothing to do. You don’t know what to do with yourself in these moments of despair, go research me, find me, find my story, I’m getting goosebumps as I say all of this, by the way.
Johnny Burke: So how did you know- and I can just imagine anybody who’s going to be listening to this is going to say, okay, so how did you really know it was her? Or even an angel or some otherworldly being, what can you tell us to dispel any skepticism that wasn’t just your imagination or, a dream?
Magdalena Jensen: I wasn’t asleep. It was not a dream. It was the middle of the daytime. I’d just been crying. I don’t know if I can dispel skepticism. People can choose to be skeptical if they want to but, I know it was Mary Magdalene’s spirit coming to me. She is my namesake. I know that based on the research that I’ve done about her since then, and the way that my life has shifted since that encounter. What I have discovered as truth through that research, and the way that my entire life has unfolded since. There’s just an inner knowing. I just know, and I am claircognizant, and so I don’t have to explain that. I just know things.
Johnny Burke: That I didn’t know; that would help explain things. I think a lot of us have heard reports or sometimes even experienced things that are not of this world that are extraordinary. I think the skepticism sometimes comes from a desire to really know the truth, but they’re not sold yet. But other people, since you brought it up, who have the clairs: claircognizant, clairvoyant obviously is probably the most well-known of the clairs. They tend to get it, and I do hear a lot of them say it’s a knowing exactly the way you did.
Magdalena Jensen: Yeah, it’s just a knowing I can’t explain. Plus I think what’s important to highlight in this conversation is that I chose to have faith. The way that my life has unfolded since then has simply affirmed in a beautiful way that that choice to believe that and to have faith in that makes sense and, therefore, more and more accurate for me.
Johnny Burke: Faith is a good thing, isn’t it? Faith is good as long as you’re not misled by some of the institutions, which I won’t bring up, we all know who they are. Speaking of otherworldly experiences, you also had a visit with a a-was it a psychic or was it a psychic medium?
Magdalena Jensen: It was a clairvoyant. Specifically. I’ve done two, I’ve done a channeling of my higher self, through a medium. And recently, one week ago today, I had a reading with a clairvoyant.
Johnny Burke: When you say clairvoyant, are you still talking about a medium or a clairvoyant that doesn’t use the term medium?
Magdalena Jensen: She calls herself very precisely a clairvoyant, and she was very clearly channeling messages from my baby that is coming through, that already visited. It was the baby that was then miscarried in physical form.
She channeled from also my spirit guides.
Johnny Burke: So do you have any idea, I’m just dying to know this. Do you have any idea what your spirit guides look like visually? Did you ever have that experience?
Magdalena Jensen: That’s a good question. I have experiences with my deceased grandparents, so I know what they look like. But quite frankly, no, I haven’t actually thought about that. For some reason, my mind hasn’t needed to satisfy that curiosity.
Johnny Burke: Really? now you mentioned something about your grandmothers, I know we talked about this briefly before. Do you still have a connection to them now or was this a one-time occurrence?
Magdalena Jensen: I feel like I can access my grandmothers when I need them, and they also helped me after the miscarriage. They really held me through releasing some of that pain and that grief, very palpably held me. Like I felt them on either side holding me once when I was in the bathtub. That was an incredible experience. The message that came through the clairvoyant last week about my spirit daughter was the information that I’ve also had an inkling about.
My mother had a dream right after she met my husband, now husband, for the first time. She had a dream where she saw me and my husband, the backs of us holding hands with a little girl in between us. So I’ve always sort of known that a little girl will come just from that dream.
So then in the clairvoyant channeling session last week, she, I guess you could say, confirmed that there’s a daughter that would like to come through and she’s shared a really interesting message with me. And that is what the daughter used to be, not in this lifetime, in a different lifetime, she was my grandmother.
A that it’s very important to remember that when this daughter comes earth side, so that I remember that even though she is a tiny, small being, she also carries wisdom for me and she used to nurture me in another lifetime, and now it’s my turn to nurture her on the physical plane. But also, I need to remember to keep learning from her.
Johnny Burke: That’s cool. That’s like the bloodline from your ancestry continues. That’s several generations ago. From this past life , you don’t know the decade or the century? Okay.
Magdalena Jensen: I have a feeling that I’ll know when I get pregnant again, and I’ll know when she comes earth side that I’ll be able to kind of discern or realize some of this information. But something else that was really interesting that the medium or the clairvoyant confirmed for me.
She confirmed the claircognizance. She said” I just have to tell you that your energy when I’m tapping into you and your guides, you are a wise, wise, sage for many hundreds and hundreds of years. You have been a wise woman in previous lives, and you carry so much knowing in you.” And that very much aligns with the past life regressions that I did, because some of those lives that I saw, two of them specifically- one where I was a wise woman. I was tribal leader, wise woman, sage. I was persecuted for my knowing,
Johnny Burke: Some of your experiences, do you get the feeling that they are all connected? or not necessarily?
Magdalena Jensen: Absolutely. Because they are all experiences that my soul has had in this lifetime or in previous lifetimes, I don’t know how to answer that in any other way. I feel like they’re an accumulation and these experiences have happened to me throughout this lifetime. In order to remind me of this wisdom, of this knowing that I have.
Johnny Burke: Everyone else says the same thing; they all say everything’s connected, especially those types of experiences. Anything else our listeners should know?
Magdalena Jensen: My experiences are not necessarily unique. We all are infinite souls incarnating in this flesh bag, in this moment in time. I know. I love that term. It makes me laugh, we got to laugh. Our ego mind, the brain that we have is not able to comprehend infinity that concept is we can have some kind of intellectual understanding, but we aren’t necessarily capable of comprehending with our mind the depths of what that truly means and the potential of that either.
There’s a whole lot more out there than our meager ego minds are able to comprehend. And so stay open, stay open, and invite these sorts of experiences into your life because it’s a delight to have them, and we’re all capable, of tapping into them.
Johnny Burke: Of having those experiences and they’re not gifts because it’s an innate ability. Magdalena, thanks so much for joining us. Very, very
interesting stories. So how can our listeners find you online?
Magdalena Jensen: my website, Magdalenajensen.com.