Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Jose Vand en Akker. She’s an author who holds an advanced diploma in transpersonal art therapy. Her work involves restoring the balance of body, mind, and spirit and connecting them as a spiritual being at the center of their cross. In this episode, we’ll discuss awareness of energy fields, being able to hear spirit voices and what communication actually is. Doctor, welcome to the program.
Jose Van den Akker: Thank you for having me.
Johnny Burke: I love the idea of being at the center of our cross. So we’re definitely going to have to, dig into that. But in the meantime, how did you find yourself on this path?
Jose Van den Akker: Pretty much since childhood. So, as a child, I remember aunts and uncles visiting me and friends of my parents. The feeling that I got from them felt awkward. It was as if they were hiding themselves behind stuff. And so now I call that an energy field field. So, I felt uncomfortable because I just felt as if they weren’t real.
So I know that I was sensitive at that time already, but I didn’t realize it, of course, as a child. As I got older, I remember sitting in church, and I was as an 8-year-old or whatever, and I was thinking, gosh, my sister is going to die one day, and, you know, and so I realized like, oh, life is mortal. And so that really shocked me, and at around the same time I was reading the Old Testament, we had the Old Testament in our bookcase, and it had these amazing drawings that really spoke to me, and the pictures of angels and all sorts. And, gosh, I found them fascinating.
And around that time, too, I thought, I want to be a nun. I wanted to dedicate my life to God. And I read stuff about ghosts, and when you leave your body that, apparently, like, there’s a, a silver chord, and if you lose that silver chord when you leave your body, then you’re basically dead. And that terrified me as a child, and I thought, oh, I’m never going to lose, I’m never going to leave my body. But at the same time, also, I used to feel like spirits around. And I remember at one point.
I looked in the corner as if something wanted to appear. And I thought, oh, I don’t want that. I and so I cut it off, and I thought, no, I’m not going to go there. And so I know now, if you don’t want that, then you know, they won’t show up.
Johnny Burke: I didn’t know that. Okay.
Jose Van den Akker: Yeah, they won’t show up if you don’t want. They will respect you. Yeah. Absolutely. .
Johnny Burke: When you saw your friends, your family’s friends, you were able to see their energy fields. Is that what it was?
Jose Van den Akker: No, I felt it. I sense everything. I feel that’s my strongest touch. I can hear at times, and see dim outlines, but not much. It’s mostly my sense of touch. Some would call it sensory, but it’s my sensory. Yeah, with things with my hands.
Johnny Burke: But you were able to see spirits at one point?
Jose Van den Akker: I couldn’t see spirits at that time because I didn’t want it as a child. I felt the energy field of people. That’s what I felt, and I felt it was not right. It was as if they weren’t themselves. Yeah. So I could feel the stuff that I now call an energy field.
Johnny Burke: Was this from early childhood or, because you had mentioned before that you had a level of sensitivity that increased quite a bit; when did that happen?
Jose Van den Akker: The level of sensitivity?
Johnny Burke: That increased.
Jose Van den Akker: That increased just as time went on. So I remember suppressing it as a child, and then as a teenager, I started to smoke marijuana and shut things off. Shut me off even more. But then I remembered at one point I had a joint and I, I thought I was going to the moon, and I remembered the silver thread thing. The silver cord, and I thought, oh no, there’s no way I want to go up. So, I did everything I could to stay in my body. But then I went to the Academy for Expression and Communication, and we had an astrology weekend, and then I asked a person who was sitting next to me because I was feeling her energy, and I asked her,” Do you feel the energies here? “And she said, “What are you talking about? “As if I was, you know, a bit weird. And so that’s when I realized, oh, not all people have a sensory awareness, have this awareness that I have. So, I started to talk with more people at the academy who were sensitive. And I started to realize that I was here for light. I remember this conversation with this woman, and she said,” Oh, I’m the dark energy, and you are the light energy.” And I thought, yeah, that feels right. Then, other people in that same academy were into channeling, and that, so my awareness and my curiosity that I had childhood already started to become more awake. That’s the best word, I guess.
And I noticed at that same academy also, there was a lot of stuff, a lot of dark dynamics going on. And when I mentioned them, it was as if a lot of people didn’t know what I was talking about. And then later, I came to understand that that’s like a dark force that a lot of people don’t recognize unless you start to see it. That actually took the whole organization out. People started to do things that were not fitting the organization’s mission and where we were going, as a collective. I talked with the director.” Hey, why did we never talk about these dark energies going on in the academy? “And he said, “Well, we just didn’t recognize them at that time, and I didn’t recognize them myself,” he said.
Johnny Burke: What exactly are energy fields and implants for that matter?
Jose Van den Akker: Yeah. So implants, fields are negatively charged or positively charged fields that we carry around us. We can be, for example, in an angry energy field when we feel anger, and our whole energy field radiates, like people can feel it when we are angry, not only our verbal and nonverbal expressions but also the feeling that we emit, so that’s an energy field. You can also feel it like when you walk into a room where people just had an argument, and that tension is still-
[Johnny Burke: It’s noticeable.
Jose Van den Akker: Still noticeable. Yeah. That’s an energy field. You have individual energy fields; you have group energy fields, like when you go to a football stadium, and then everyone goes like, yay. When someone- their party has one, and then the others go like, woo, that creates an energy feel too. You can feel it like there’s this opposition kind of thing, and it overwhelms you or if you observe it. So they’re all energy fields.
Johnny Burke: You feel that it’s very important to raise awareness of the energy fields and the implants as well?
Jose Van den Akker: Yes, implants are ideas and energies and objects that are inserted into our psyche or our physical being without us being aware of it.
Johnny Burke: How does that actually happen?
Jose Van den Akker: We are being implanted over time and space, as human beings, really, by all sorts of ideas. Think, for example, education or religion or role models that we’ve had and that implant ideas into us and that we take on board because we don’t know any better at that point. Like, oh, that’s something they want, they want me to accept it. We accept it. And like everything that we’ve been taught in education, it’s their belief systems that have been implanted into us as young people. And then we started to believe because everyone else was saying it, that it was true. And like the media is all talking about the same kind of thing.
The messages that we get through the news there are subliminal messages underneath it; that’s like an attempt to implant us. And many people, when they don’t realize that that’s happening, like in, any marketing, we take something on board that’s not actually ours, because we are not aware of it, we take it on board because we are energy being, so we are,
Johnny Burke: Absorbing toxic things. Toxic ideas. Where do these ideas or implants originate from? Are they other humans? Are they non-humans? You mentioned space before.
Jose Van den Akker: Some people say that they are. I know that they’re not ours. Like Dave, my teacher, who I’ve learned to identify anything to do with energy, he’s taught me all this stuff. He just said whenever you feel something or you think something, even consider whether it’s actually yours or someone, or something else’s. When he said something else’s, I thought, ah, he’s got an awareness around whatever it is that it’s not necessarily someone else’s idea, or feeling or, or thought that you take on board can also be something else’s. Then I started to identify when I probed that bit deeper; it’s a field. And that’s what I call that dark field. Some people talk about aliens or, like, pets; they’re foreign to us. But then again, we’ve been implanted. So it’s not always easy to find out what’s foreign to us.
Johnny Burke: I brought that up because I’ve heard that more than once, where there are star beings that are trying to control us to some extent. I can’t verify that, but it’s something that does come up, so that would explain the importance of being aware of certain energy fields and noticing that’s not me or that’s not mine. So, what is the center of our cross? Does that have something to do with chakras, or what is that?
Jose Van den Akker: So it’s all our chakras, including the ones above us and the ones below us; we interact with the cosmic spheres, with the quantum field on all these levels, vertically, but also horizontally. Horizontally, I identify it more as the social, the horizontal atmosphere, like our scope of thinking as a humanity, we think a certain way, and there’s only certain level that you can see. We cannot really see above it unless we raise our awareness to that higher level. And then we see multiple dimensions. But at this one level, and because there’s different strata, we can see within this level, whatever we identify as reality, that’s only also always part of just reality, but acknowledging that there’s this layer, the all these layers and then also this layer.And so we exist within that. And so the center of the cross is when we feel centered within ourselves. When we feel our whole being, our high self, we are attuned with our high self; we are grounded. That’s when we are balanced, we are aligned.
So then we operate at the center of the cross. But because we’re also learning as human beings, when we acknowledge the fact that we have stuff and that we have things to learn and we probe into it, we are also at the center of the cross because then we are learning to evolve. We learn from our stuff, basically that we’ve taken on board for a purpose. By unpacking that, and as such, untangling ourselves from us, we become more of ourselves. So it’s an evolving thing.
Johnny Burke: Speaking of evolving, is raising our awareness the same thing as raising our vibration? You did mention something about dimensions and the cross, the vertical and the horizontal. Is that the same thing or is it different?
Jose Van den Akker: For me, it’s the same thing. Yes.
Johnny Burke: Awareness, dimensions, going from dense matter to more light matter and being a light being. A lot of these topics do touch on, raising our vibration collectively anyway. Speaking of vibrations and being collective, you believe communication is not quite what most people think it is. How is that?
Jose Van den Akker: Most people think of communication as, well, you are hearing it, and that’s it. That’s the communication. Real communication is when we know what the intention is behind what we express, and communication can also be nonverbal. I can say nothing to you, and you’ll still get a message if my attention is clear, so there’s the intention behind the message, and then you, as the receiver, are hearing it, not only hearing it but actually feeling it as well. As such, I acknowledge it at the same time. So, communication is the intention of the sender. It’s the message, the intention behind the message, the receiver, whether he or she receives it, and to what degree. And then there’s the time space in between.
If I can say something to you with a few words and you get the message, you feel it because you have that intention to hear it, then the time the distance reduces. It’s like time collapses kind of thing and like we merge. And so there’s no time space in between really. If you, for example, think, well, you don’t know what you’re talking about, or my intention is, well, he’s not going to hear me, then I create a distance already in the communication, and then there’s basically miscommunication because you don’t get all that. I’m trying to tell you, and I’m not fully passing on to you because I’m hiding stuff. I’m withdrawing stuff, so you don’t get the full communication. There’s more depth to it than just saying a word and someone hearing something.
Johnny Burke: The subtext has a lot to do with it you could be talking complete nonsense, but if your intention is very clear, someone could understand exactly what you’re trying to say as opposed to someone who’s got the verbiage right, but doesn’t have the right intention. Does that make sense?
Jose Van den Akker: Yeah, we can communicate with people on the outside of the world.
Johnny Burke: You must be reading my mind; I was just about to ask you that. So, on the other side of the world, is that related to remote viewing, or is it something different?
Jose Van den Akker: Remote viewing is similar. Yes. What I’m thinking of in particular, say my family lives in the Netherlands on the other side of the planet, and if my intention to communicate with them is to understand what’s going on with them. I’ve had a few times that I went right into that; I want to understand what was happening for one of my sisters or brothers. I just knew that they got the message because I was right there. That’s the non-local mind.
In the quantum field, we are not just this body and this brain and this energy field around us when, again, depending on the attention, we can cross space and time, and the non-local mind comes into being. So, time can be bent and so we can make contact with someone. Even when we don’t see them more or have them in our close vicinity,
Johnny Burke: it sounds like what you’re describing is almost like a universal Wi-Fi where you don’t really need a cell phone to call someone.
Jose Van den Akker: Yes.
Johnny Burke: It’s an interesting topic because some of the people that have been on the podcast before have past life memories that go way back; I’m talking about, like before a recorded time, seemed to indicate that way back when, you know, 15, 20,000 years ago, telepathy was normal. Yeah, and also, while we’re on the subject, when we talk about ascension and coming out of the Piscean to the Aquarian age and raising our vibe, there are those that have the opinion that eventually we will be able to do that again, where it’ll become normal. And that might explain now what we’re seeing: an explosion with mediums and psychics and the collective vibe rising. Do you feel the same way?
Jose Van den Akker: Absolutely. Yeah. I think you’re coming back to where we originated from. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: I hear that a lot and I think it’s very intriguing say the least. So again, we’re talking about communication. You’ve had some experience with spirit voices. How did that start and, what is that like?
Jose Van den Akker: So my spirit voices, I’ll just start with my spiritual teacher, Dave, who was a man of higher degree, took me to a graveyard, and he just let me walk around that graveyard just to see. He was watching what I was sensing, what I was picking up on. And there was a sign at the start of the graveyard, which I hadn’t seen, but it said like, who these people were who are buried here. So after the whole exercise, he would be able to verify like, look, this is what you sensed. So I was walking around. He just said, just explore and see what you find. So I walked around, and I didn’t feel anything much. And, but then there was one grave, and I don’t know, it just drew my attention and I thought, ah. And it felt like as we can do when we communicate, like, I just moved into the grave with my mind, so with my mind’s eye and, and felt into the space. And it was as if I just felt this man. And so I said, “hi, how are you going? It was as if he was lying with his face down and was as if he sort of like rose up and said, “Fuck off.”
Johnny Burke: You have to be kidding.
Jose Van den Akker: And then so the moment he said, so it was like this, like fuck off and then poof! And then he
threw himself straight back, into the grave. It was funny. So, I was shocked.
Johnny Burke: That’s quite an experience, and I think I do remember you telling me that before. You’ve also had contact with some family members after they passed.
Jose Van den Akker: So, just before I go there, Dave also took me to a couple of places, bush places. And he was always walking behind me as he was just checking me out and seeing what I sensed and picked up on. And then all of a sudden, I felt this and I actually kind of saw this entity was quite clear in the bush. He told me the name. I’ve forgotten the name, but it’s a significant name in the Maori language. All I know is that I saw him. And, it was as if I rose, bigger. And then I said to him, I can see you, but I cannot identify with you. I didn’t say that loud. It just came from wherever it was, but it was as if I needed to match the spirits because he was challenging me. And so later on, I told Dave that that’s what happened, and he looked at me, and he was a bit like, whoa. Okay.
So I knew that something was going on that was relevant, that was important. It was important for me because I’ve experienced it before when I walked through a space in Germany, for example, with my friend and we walked through a dark space; There were the Nazis. They killed a lot of people and a lot of black magic was done in the past there.
So there’s a lot of spaces that have really horrible feeling to them. So I walked with my friend through this area, and then there was this space, just a dip in the ground and field. And then I said to my friend, “Just stop- we cannot go through here, wait a minute.” And was as if I threw this big light bubble around us. And then I said, okay, now let’s walk through.” And so it was as if I carried this big light bubble involving her as well. So we walked through this dark space and then when I felt that through it, we’d gone to the other end. Then I said,” oh, it’s okay now. “And I dropped that bubble.
It was like my bubble that I threw around us.
Johnny Burke: it sounds almost like a protection spell or something like that. Well, maybe not a spell, but in other words it was a protective device. Right. Almost like a prophylactic for dark energy.
Jose Van den Akker: Yes.
Johnny Burke: I need to ask you something about this spirit that came up and just startled you Do you get a sense that there’s a lot of spirits in these areas where there’s a bad feeling these spirits are just not very happy?
Jose Van den Akker: Absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah. Yeah. And we can communicate with them. Like again with Dave, he said,” Just see what you sense here. And I said, “I sense a lot of kids here, ” if I could see it the same here, like in Australia, there’s a lot of places where Aboriginal people were killed, and it’s like, I can see where they were killed or, or spirits that are loose and having, have taken up a space somewhere. They’re in New Zealand. I saw these kids, and I heard them as well. And I felt really sad. And so I told Dave, I don’t know what happened here, but it feels terrible.
And so I went right into it, whatever I was feeling. And then that whole feeling dissipated, and he said, you’ve just cleared this, uh, tap as they call it, So that’s how we can heal the space by actually moving into it, not being afraid of it, but listening – it’s that communication thing again. So feeling, communicating with space and finding whatever we find and acknowledging it for what it is, and as such, it is being heard and it can go.
Johnny Burke: So you’re saying you can heal the space. It sounds like it’s a method of clearing the space somehow to enable those earthbound spirits to move on and go toward the light.? It’s not a good feeling for us to know that there are unhappy spirits. But that type of phenomenon does happen quite a bit. There are mediums that do help earthbound spirits transition and find the light because sometimes those that may have died violently or suddenly, can seem lost. Right. Do you ever get a sense of that, or is that not really in your wheelhouse?
Jose Van den Akker: I’ve had that and what I’ve said to people who wanted me to clear those spirits, just feel them, acknowledge them for them being here and just feel what’s going on for them. Just see if you you can communicate with them with the best intentions.
Johnny Burke: To help them go to the light. Obviously, that’s probably the highest intention you can have. You’ve got a lot of experience with this spirit realm, and I believe you’ve had some relatives that you’re still able to contact.
Jose Van den Akker: When my mom died, that was so clear. And then when, one half year later, my dad died. So my mom loved flowers, right? She just loved flowers. And so when she died, on her coffin in front of the church, there were lots of flowers all around and on the coffin and everything. And so I was sitting there in the pew, there was all this singing going on and stuff, and then all of a sudden was as if I saw my mom. It was like she was dancing h hovering about these flowers. And then, she said to me,” Hey, Jose, do you see all those flowers?” with utter delight? And I said,” yes, I do see the mom. I do see this. They’re for you.” She said, “What? Really?. And so off she went again hovering and then, not long after, it was as if she foof, she went right up . It was as if I could, with my mind’s eye, I looked up, and it was as if there was this big space opening up, and poof, there she went. And I’ve never seen her since, since that clearly. She went right up really how high, high, high, high, up and off she went, and that was it.
Johnny Burke: You actually saw what you looked like?
Jose Van den Akker: I saw her presence, yes. Ever so dimly, but yes, I did.
Johnny Burke: I don’t know how old your mom was when she passed, but did she look about the same age as when she passed or?
Jose Van den Akker: She was 94, and she was very ill. She had Alzheimer’s, but when she was dancing to these flowers, she was this young, vibrant spirit, really loving life and loving the flowers. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Many people report that when they see their friends and family members like you did, they often seem to be in their prime. Unless they’re really young, like around 30 or something, it’s something that occurs repeatedly.
So, any other people that you’ve had that kind of contact with?
Jose Van den Akker: My father died one and a half years later, and I was sitting next to his grave. And almost just sort of thinking about nothing. And my sister was in the graveyard as well. She was further away checking out different graves and um. So I was just sitting and he said, “oh, Jose, I’m so happy here. There are all these friends here and I’m just so happy.” And I said,” Oh really, Dad? That’s wonderful.” and that was it. And so that’s all I needed to hear clearly, that’s what he needed to tell me. So off I went to my sister, and I said,” Hey, dad is, he just spoke to me. And he’s really happy. He’s got all these friends around him.” And so my sister, she looked at me as if saying like, are you nuts? Like, and then you actually actually said ” I think it’s just self-talk. “And I said to her,” No, no, no, it’s not self-talk. I know the difference between self-talk and when spirit talks.” and you know, she hasn’t had the experience, and I didn’t know how to explain at the time, but now I know the difference. Yeah….
Johnny Burke: The difference between self-talk, or what some people call chatter, and authentic spirit voices or contact., how do we know that it’s authentic contact?
Jose Van den Akker: Hmm. Well, maybe one example, like what happened when my mom died and mom talked to me and, and said, ” Hey, do you see all those flowers, Jose?” And when I told her yes and there for you and off she went again. And I thought, hang on, doesn’t she know that she’s dead? And I remember thinking to myself, so all this is self-talk, right? And do I have the right to tell her that she’s dead? And so that was the self-talk, where my mom just appeared quite clearly in front of me and said, “Hey,” and when I hear spirits, it’s not in my energy field.
It just comes out from space, so to speak, and all of a sudden, it’s there and I hear this, words,
Johnny Burke: That’s where the awareness comes in, right?
Jose Van den Akker: That’s when spirit talks. Yeah. Whereas when I’m self-chatting, it’s like inside my own head and my own energy field. I have more and more frequently now that a word just comes to me, like; words I don’t know. For example, the other day, I heard something like,’ You’re presenting as an orifice.’ I thought, what’s this? Who’s saying that? And I don’t know even what an orifice is, so I had to go online and a look at what that actually means.
And that happens frequently, like when I do automatic writing, as I said, I get words that are just not part of my vocabulary, but then the wording is beautiful, I start to write, and then whatever comes to me, and I just accept it so I write it down. And then until it turns out, and then I finish with thank you, and then I read back on it and I think, wow. There’s a whole complete essay on the particular topic or whatever the message is that they want to pass on. They start off with this and then they end with that. And in between it all fits together. That is automatic writing.
Johnny Burke: It is. Okay, good. So you actually have had instances where you start writing, and you finish something, and you look at it, but maybe you don’t remember actually writing that down. Has that ever happened?
Jose Van den Akker: Well, I just know, I do it very frequently, I did it for one half year every morning and nowadays twice a week or something, and I just open myself up make contact and I say, thank you everyone. Like hire team, God, hire self, whatever. And so I attune to them and then I just start to write. And I trust that whatever words come to me is not my ego talking it is not in my brain. It’s just whatever comes to me is given to me. And I write that down and then it becomes this piece.
Johnny Burke: So can we assume that in that instance you are a scribe for spirit?
Jose Van den Akker: Yes, it feels like that.
Johnny Burke: Yeah. Okay, good. All right. Anything else that we need to know about raising our awareness? Pretty important stuff.
Jose Van den Akker: I think it’s important for people just to know that we have not learned that we are energy beings always, in exchange with our environment. And the environment is always in exchange with us. And obviously, we have free will; we can stop our receptors, so to speak. Block our receptors out of self self-preservation or whatever it is. But yeah, we can open ourselves to the influences outside, but the thing is, we need to be able to discern whether it’s actually our intention.
Our intention is important. So like if you notice something that doesn’t feel right, we have two options. Either shying away from it or shutting down. We have probably several options, but the other one that I prefer to have is, oh, what’s actually going on here? Or what am I actually sensing and moving into it rather than shying away from that. And by doing that, I know that I’m actually becoming more self-aware, but also, lightening up the space around me. So I assume responsibility.
Johnny Burke: Responsibility. I like that. Very interesting stuff. Dr. Jose thanks for joining us tonight. Very informative things , about raising our awareness. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?
Jose Van den Akker: My website is universal-heart.com au and Instagram @drjosevandenakker