#41 Bringing Heaven Home with Dr. Brent Satterfield
September 10th, 2021
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest has Brent Satterfield. He is a DNA scientist, the founder of the Inner World Movement and author of Bringing Heaven Home. Today we’ll be talking about how multiple experiences of Heaven changed his life. Brent, welcome to the program.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: thank you very much, Johnny.
Johnny Burke: how did you go from being a prominent DNA scientist in global health to energy healing, a Hindu ashram, and even beyond that?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: I had a few experiences with the other side where, similar to near-death experiences, where I found myself out of body having conversations with the divine. And that type of an experience just left me feeling like there had to be something more than what I was doing with my life at that time.
Johnny Burke: Were there any precursors to this experience? Did it just happen were you meditating or how exactly did that happen?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: The first experience, I was with a woman who’d had four near death experiences herself. Her first one was in a plane crash. And then she had a series of near-death experiences after that due to complications from the crash. One of the gifts that she came back with was the ability to help people cross over to the other side without having to die, to get there. And so she helped escort me my first time.
Johnny Burke: I’ve heard there’s several ways to do this. when she did that, was it a meditation ritual or was it something else?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: It was something else. I’ve since had experiences in meditation where I found myself out of my body and I can say that they’re comparable. But with her, it was, it was a little different. She had an ability to just touch you. And then all of a sudden, you’d find yourself in a different state of consciousness. She’d asked me to come over to her place. several weeks in a row to work with me, to help put the part of my mind to sleep that keeps me separated from the state of God. At least that’s how she put it. And so she told me it was the same part of the mind that dies and the near-death experience, the part that gets out of the way, allowing consciousness to then experience that God again, in in the way that we would experience it without the body.
She had an ability to just to touch people and kind of send them that direction. And one of the days that I arrived at her house; I had this feeling. It was a strong enough feeling where I could see it, where I could see myself placing my hand on her heart. And it felt like I had a little piece of her heart that I was supposed to give back. At that point in time had never really encountered anything with energy healing or anything else. And so I just reached out without even thinking, just to put my hands straight over her chest and as I did, so I became hesitant. Ca I thought, oh wait, she might not like that, but she grabbed my hand and put it straight over heart saying that’s exactly where Jesus puts his hand. And as soon as she did so I felt this explosion of energy all in my body, it felt like fire just all inside of me. like a divine electricity, if like, if you’d taken hold of an electric fence and it was just this pulsating pins and needles feeling throughout my whole body, but not in an unpleasant way, a very beautiful, intense way that caused me to feel like my body was just dissolving that I didn’t feel connected to it anymore. And it was confusing to me because I’d never had an experience like that in this life. And I asked her, what is this feeling? And she said, that’s the feeling you get right before you cross over. And then she had me laid down and then she used her gift to kind of push me the rest of the way over.
Johnny Burke: so she is an energy healer? How does she describe herself? I want to know – I think everybody else wants to know. We want to do this too! Incredible. Wow.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: In hindsight, after having had a few of these experiences, I really do believe it’s something that everybody can access. You know, it’s something that for whatever reason, when we encounter somebody who’s died and gone to the other side, our hearts are more open; we allow them to have these special gifts to interact with us in a way that can help us transition to the other side and have an experience that’s beautiful. But I don’t believe it’s limited to those individuals. Each one of us has a connection with the divine already. It’s part of our nature. It’s who we are. We just haven’t woken up to it yet. And so a large part of this is first off, just having the awareness: wait a minute, I can have an experience like that? This is possible for me? And then, perhaps the second part would be to let go and trust your heart. So in my case, my heart led me to interact with this woman who’d had a series of near-death experiences. It’s unlikely that any of your listeners are going to be led to that same person or led to have an experience on that same way, but in following their own hearts, they may be led to a Hindu Ashram, they may be led to energy healing they may be led to have any number of experiences that catalyze this connection.
Johnny Burke: I do believe there are several ways to do that. It sounds like an amazing experience. Now in your newest book Bringing Heaven Home, it’s about awakening or about the multiple experiences of Heaven that you had. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Sure. I come out of a rigid Christian background, and so a lot of my views on heaven initially were structured by what I’d learned in a church setting. What I found as I started having experiences with the other side is that the love that exists on the other side is bigger than what can be contained in any one doctrine. The first few experiences I had, they kind of conformed with some of the things that I had learned about in church. They were more open, they were more loving, but the symbols that were given to me were all symbols that I would be familiar with that would allow me to feel safe and comfortable. That would allow me to receive the love that was being offered. And as the experiences continued, and I began to have more experiences that did not conform to my religious upbringing. Experiences that helped me to open further and see the greater potential for love, not just in my own tradition, but in traditions of others around the world.
Johnny Burke: We are all hearing the word awakening quite a bit these days, otherwise known as the Ascension. Is this related to the experience that you had or is that something separate?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: It’s absolutely a related. I don’t think it’s possible to have an experience with Heaven without it involving some form of awakening. And, to discuss the idea of awakening just a little bit, it would help to define the word a little better. Awakening seems to be the act of consciousness, like the consciousness that is inside of us, as it becomes aware of itself. As it become aware, it becomes aware of itself free from the structures that the traditions, the thought forms, the, the emotional, reactions to how it views life. So it starts to become aware of itself in the midst of all of these structures. And as it becomes aware of itself, it begins to feel free.
So there’s a process of your heart becoming free. Becoming more connected to the capacity to feel love in each moment. And so this idea of having a heavenly experience while for some people, it tends to reinforce those structures in consciousness, like, me with my first experience, it very much did, . It made me feel more a part of my religion and more a part of the ideas that were there, but at the same time, It left an opening because the way that I experienced love on the other side was inconsistent with how love is taught in the religions in this world.
Johnny Burke: Oh, my, you said a mouthful.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: It’s so much bigger.
Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about that for a while because these are very, very big subjects. There seems to be at some point in the road, one route goes this way and the other road of maybe higher consciousness has to split off at some point.. Does that make sense to you or is your path a little bit different from that?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So as I encountered increased experiences of heaven, one of the things that I saw was that learning is not linear. It’s almost like you’re in a university and there are some religions that are espousing that English is the only true class that you can take. And others like math, science, business, or whatever it is. But you find yourself in these classes, you’re learning, you’re loving life. And so, I do believe it’s possible to be Catholic and undergoing an awakening process. Because just because you’re in a certain structure of consciousness doesn’t mean you can’t become more self-aware and, in that process, become more liberated, become more loving. So you can become a liberated Catholic. You can become a liberated Buddhist, but you can also become a multidisciplinary individual where you begin to learn from the lessons in multiple pathways.
Johnny Burke: So we’re talking about Heaven-, what exactly is it? Is it a place, is it a state of being? You’ve had multiple experiences that it seems like they’re more than one, or is it just a matter of we create our own because since we’re all energy anyway?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: It seems that there are groups of individual heavens. If you were to take the concept that we’re divine beings and that the divine interacts with us in a very personal way, this is a beautiful concept actually, it’s a very liberating concept to realize that there is no one size fits all heaven. That you’re not forced into somebody else’s idea of what’s joyful, but that the divine is interactive and works with you to create what is your most loving space. And so in principle, it creates a near infinite number of types of heavens. That being said, consciousness tends to run in groups. And so we will see similarities in the way that Heaven is envisioned by certain populations of Christians or certain populations of Hindus. And so there is a general version of heaven depending on the culture that you’re coming out of. And so it’s something that, that people can relate to. It’s still very personalized; otherwise it wouldn’t be heaven because it interacts with what you are with what brings you the highest degree of love.
Johnny Burke: And I have to be careful what I say here because, all my life, I always think that there’s a nun right behind me for some reason. So if my version of Heaven is reuniting with all my family, all my ancestors, and also being able to play guitar with Jimmy Hendrix and David Bowie, if I want to create that, there’s a chance it might look something like that?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: There is a chance. Also, a lot of what we spend our time imagining heaven looks like comes from our bodies. It comes from some of the programming we have as children. It comes from almost an avoidance of the fears and the hurts we have in life. And we’re saying, gosh, life hurts so bad. I really hope Heaven looks the opposite. So much of our idea of heaven really is not connected with what it really is. And so the moment that you get to the other side, there is a, for lack of a better word, a life review, where you get a chance to see your life, you get a chance to see everything that went into shaping you. You get a chance to heal from that, to learn from that, but it doesn’t take long. So there may be a moment of revisiting the David Bowie experience.
Johnny Burke: All right. That would be incredible.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: if it ends up being more than a moment because time doesn’t really work there the way it does here. If that moment ends up being, a thousand years or whatever it is, you could have that experience until your heart is full and you’ve learned what you need to learn from it. You can move on. But heaven ends up being the state we achieve when we are liberated from all of our prior conceptions of Heaven.
Johnny Burke: I like that. And I’m sure people will definitely like that as well. And it does sound liberating. Now tell us about your experiences. I know that you have several, what was it like? What did it feel like?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So I’m going to start with the time concept first, just because that’s, a fun one. And that state, your mind is no longer learning in a linear fashion where you have to understand, where the logic has to be laid out in a way that can build and allow you to understand a principle. Instead it’s almost like you’re hooked up to the divine internet. Everything that you think automatically searches out that topic, and you’re able to go as deep into that topic as you want, asking side questions, tangential questions, understanding things all without breaking the flow of conversation. It’s just all of this information instantly downloaded. Understood. And it’s downloaded in a way that it almost feels like you had gone down a different branch or time way of reality to live or have an experience. And so it’s experiential learning. it’s a much more intimate form of learning, understanding, and knowing.
Now connected with that though, at least for me, there was a feeling of immense joy and immense to the point where that fire that I mentioned earlier, it was just filling my whole being. But like with euphoria, with bliss, with love, with acceptance, with understanding, with all my goodness, everything makes sense. And now I know why some of those parts of life that were really hard, that I hated had to be the way they were. In fact they were beautiful. They were exactly what needed to happen so that I could be having this experience now so that I could be having this bliss without limit and the feeling of that bliss. And that love was so intense as to cause me to feel that the very molecules in my body. If my body had been present, that they would have dissolved- like that the atoms would have come apart at the seams because the energy was too intense.
Johnny Burke: did that have something to do with the, what you described as exploding of hearts?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Yes. Very much.
Johnny Burke: Okay. it almost sounds as if you’re leaving the body to go back to your, or our natural form, which is spirit, right? That’s what it sounds like. you had mentioned before, the life review. Now with the life review comes the council of elders and where you get to review your life and see how you did what you did right, what you did not do, right. Did you get an experience of the life between lives where you got to see how you would reincarnate?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So I was not showing anything about how I might reincarnate. The first life review, I’ve undergone several aspects of it with each new experience, I’ve had more life, more life to review and then more context to understand the things that have happened earlier in my life. And so the life review has evolved over time. But my first one, was with a group of angelic beings who took me through my religious understanding and the way that I related to my religion and helped me make sense of it and helped me see symbols and understanding. And that was an exceptionally beautiful thing for me. The second one, I was with Jesus, and it was much more intimate in going into the areas of my life.
Coming out of the Christian background, I would always imagine that meeting God or meeting Jesus, that there’d be this element of judgment that you’d get there. And he’d be like, oh, look at this time, when you were a 13 old and you did this and he was like, oh wait. And there would be some kind of shame coming up around that or hurt or, or pain or something. But that wasn’t the case at all. Those were not really the moments that he looked at with It was more of him looking into the places in my life where I still felt hurt. He wasn’t looking for places to judge me. He was looking for places where I was still judging myself to help me let go of that judgment to help me let go of that hurt so that I could feel the love that was there even more.
Johnny Burke: Great. That’s a gem-really good. I can see what you mean about these experiences in your views, how, the religious understanding literally it gets turned upside down. Meeting Jesus, meeting any of the ascended masters has to be a very heavy experience. Tell us a little bit more about that. What was it like?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So the second experience I had is the most profound, because I spent several hours on the other side, several hours in that state where everything is non-linear and you’re learning at this accelerated rate. The first experience was just a being in the light itself, and it was just this feeling of euphoria, of bliss, of joy, of understanding, where everything was making sense. And I was probably in that state for about 15 minutes or so before, before I felt him come. It was like this sense where before somebody comes into your field of vision, you feel them, you know, they’re coming. And I felt him before I saw him. And then I saw him. Coming out of my Christian background, it’s an amazing experience to be with any ascended master, but to be with one of the ascended masters who has formed your childhood beliefs, who is the deity from your religious perspective- it is an overwhelming experience. It’s the type of experience where you fall to your knees. Not because it’s what you’re supposed to do or what you’re taught, but because of the overwhelming heart emotion, That’s just coming out. It felt like another explosion of my heart, like already having gone into that beautiful love in the light itself, where I felt like my atoms would’ve come apart, had my body been present.
Now I’m finding that whole experience exploding that much higher coming into his presence and then feeling his love envelope me. Feeling him take me; it’s a non-physical experience, but at the same time, like our minds relate to it almost like it is physical almost like he was enveloping me physically and holding me. And as he’s looking into my being that I am seeing what he’s seeing. That he’s showing me these different areas for my life. It’s like, without even words, it’s like his intelligence, his understanding is just leading me through these memories in my lifetime. and helping me to see where I’ve felt hurt and unable to let go. And that he’s allowing that process to let go. My experience continued on beyond that, beyond the initial healing, cause once he’d led me up to the present, he started to show me the future. The point in time when the earth transforms and becomes new.
Johnny Burke: Oh, wow. lots of people, myself included thinking is this 2021? Is it 2025? Or is it 2,500?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Right. Is this one of those things in our lifetime or not?
Johnny Burke: it’s been a weird 18 months, nothing would surprise me and I’m sure a lot of people think the same way.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So I’d love to tell you, he gave me a date and said, you know, tomorrow or next year on this date, but that was not what happened. In fact, it was this interesting understanding that was given because I saw that the timing of the transition of the earth is not set like the way that you set a date on a calendar. It’s an interactive experience. It’s more like how long it is going to take us to have the realizations and understandings that we need to as a human race in order to unlock our hearts and allow the earth to rise. It’s an interactive connection with Heaven. We’re going through a learning process and it’s not heaven coming down and saying, okay, time’s up, you got it wrong.
It’s us figuring it out. It’s us looking at the world and going, wait a minute, this isn’t right. There’s something else going on and being able to connect with the love and the present moment before it manifests in the physical world.
Johnny Burke: Which brings us back to Ascension. An interesting point someone brought up to me the other day was, the reason why we’re seeing a lot of upheaval, like Black Lives Matter, what’s been going on with the political system the last couple of years and so on, is because we’re moving from the third density or dimension to the fourth and the fifth. Or, as another woman explained it, moving from the masculine to the feminine energy. Is that related to what’s going on?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: I would accept both those explanations. There is a transformation that’s going on and we’re going to see changes in the world. And depending on the perspective that we hold as the world continues to change, we can either be afraid of those changes or we can be joyful in them. It’s kind of like the pandemic last year. At the outset of the pandemic, you know, there were some people who were very fearful. For me, I felt the joy of the earth coming to rest. As people stopped what they were doing for the first few weeks, for the first couple of months. And that just felt like a peace, that the earth was resting. I believe that these transformations, they can be some of the scariest things that people have encountered, or they can be some of the most joyful. 2020 was one of the best years I’ve ever had.
This can change for us depending on our outlook. Are you coming from the perspective of the egg that is being broken, or from the baby chicken that is being birthed? And if you’re the egg, that is, if you are the part of the mind that sees itself as a separate individual that needs protecting, it can be very scary because that is being broken to release the light that’s inside.
Johnny Burke: Here’s another key quote for your book which I really liked:” the key to awakening heaven on earth requires perspectives about the East and the West”. When we talk about the East, we talk about the Hindus, Buddhism and so forth. I think the way religion has to be for some people, either they break away from it completely or, there’s going to be another school of thought that unites everyone. You agree?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Something very much like that, because while I do believe that people will be able to move into the new consciousness in their religions, the way that they relate to their religions is going to have to change. Because right now, it is still a very small-minded approach, and I’m not referring to any one religion. They’re all in that space.
None of them produced the liberation that we are all hungering for. Now within each one, there are perspectives. There are ways of experiencing the divine that are unique. You could almost relate to them as if they were different fruits. There’s apples, bananas, and cherries. And there are these different fruits. You could almost suggest that the tree of life had multiple fruits on. And depending on the religious perspective that you’re taking, the kind of consciousness that you’re approaching it with, you’re going to have a different experience of the divine. You’re going to learn different tools to connect with the divine and it’s as we start to assemble these different perspectives and understandings that we have the ability as a society to raise the whole, we need each other.
Johnny Burke: You’re right; we definitely do need each other. Let’s take someone, an average person-they go to church, they go to temple or wherever they go to worship, they want to raise their vibration, they want to get to higher spiritual ground, but they get to a point where they’re just basically hitting a wall. What direction should they consider?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Religious traditions are a double-edged sword. On the one side, when we’re coming out of a broken homes and just rough lives, religion can be salvation for us. But on the other end where you eventually hit the ceiling, where we go as far as the religion allows us and the voices in our lives are no longer helping us move forward, they’re holding us back. And at that point in time, it’s a sign to us that it’s time for us to evolve. That our continued evolution requires us to let go of the crutches that helped us move to the point we’re at, and to take hold of the light that is in our hearts. We have to come to trust the connection that each one of us has with the divine.
No one else can tell you what you need to be doing in this moment or where you need to go, or the steps you need to take to awaken. And you’ve got to be able to trust your own heart to let go and surrender to allow life itself, to lead you to your next step. And that’s going to look different for each person on this show. It’s not going to be the same for any of them as it has been for me, or as it has been for you.
Johnny Burke: so in other words, someone might get lucky and have really good intuition and just happen to go see a shaman or a healer or learn how to meditate and get to that place. Many people think there’s a lot of good information in the Bible, but it’s also the subject of the longest phone game in recorded history.
I live in South Florida. There’s a very big conservative population here and people that go to some of the super churches, they go to Bible study, but some of these people sound like they’re almost brainwashed. And they’re at the ceiling already, they’re not going to really evolve. That’s the double-edged sword that you’re referring to. Isn’t it?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Yes, it is that the resistance to move beyond that ceiling, is part of what we need as human beings to grow. It’s like the butterfly that’s coming out of their cocoon; it needs the resistance of freeing itself from the cocoon and order for its wings to be strong enough to fly. And in that same way, the religious structures that are there, they’re like that cocoon, the caterpillar that’s entering into the cocoon, it’s a place of nurturing. It’s a place of safety, but for the butterfly that has now evolved, it can be a death trap. If it doesn’t get out.
Johnny Burke: Well, you said it, not me.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: I did.
Johnny Burke: If nothing else, we have to start someplace and that’s usually church or temple or, wherever you go, according to your religious beliefs. But I’ve seen a lot of people break free of that because they want to find something larger, something bigger than ourselves. So with your experiences, which are pretty incredible to say the least, is it true that Heaven does exist for all of us? What about, the people that do sad things? cause a grievous harm to others, murderers, serial killers, what happens to them?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: So what happens on the other side, it’s very individual. It’s all in love- that that much I’ve felt and seen. What happens on an individual basis to those people- I don’t have the specifics. What I do understand is that no matter how poorly someone has acted in this life, their ability to enter into a heavenly state is not like a penance that has to be paid. It’s the same for all of us. It’s letting go of the beliefs that we are bad, that we are terrible, that we’re unworthy of god’s love. That it is a release of our self-judgment.
And the problem with people who have created such difficult circumstances in their lives, like murder and terrorism or other things that we abhor, is that it is such a powerfully self-condemning state for them to be in. They have triggered laws that are present in the way that the world is structured in such a way, that it becomes difficult if not impossible to release themselves from that self-judgment. So in going to the other side, when what’s inside of them is amplified, it’s possible for them to amplify pain in a way that, that I would not wish on anyone.
It’s possible for them to amplify hurt. And so my prayer for everyone after having experienced the heavenly love, there’s no one in this world that I would look at and say they deserve to suffer. Absolutely no one. It’s just this feeling of, I want all of my brothers and sisters, all of these incarnations of the divine beings to be liberated to be returned to their native state, to be freed from all forms of judgment from self-judgment, from the judgments of others. I don’t think that you can feel the love that’s on the other side in it’s pure state and still harbor any judgment for any person in this world.
Johnny Burke: Here’s an example. There’s a woman- she had a relationship with a boyfriend, they broke up, the boyfriend killed his girlfriend, shot the two daughters, and the daughters survived. Years later a medium was called in to do a reading for the daughters. The mom came through, and the boyfriend came through. And according to the medium who was fairly established – she’s not a rookie, what she explained to me was that this man, the boyfriend was in what looked like an interrogation room with his guides, because he was made to feel the atrocity, the pain that he caused others. With your experience, can you say, I think that’s probably accurate -those people that did heinous things are going to feel the pain that caused others?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: I do believe that there is a moment, it’s impossible for us to go through and not at some point become conscious of the pain that we’ve caused. At the same time, heaven’s purpose isn’t for us to dwell on that. The feeling of the pain is to help liberate us; it’s to help us learn. It’s to help us grow and evolve. And even to the extent that we’ve been victims, people that have played the part of the perpetrator, and I use that word intentionally- played. Cause it’s, it’s almost like a drama. Where we signed up to have different roles to experience different things. And we’ve just forgotten that we agreed to be the victim or the perpetrator or whatever.
But part of coming out of this drama is waking up to the fact that it is a drama. And releasing the pain of whether you’re releasing the pain of the victim or the pain of the perpetrator, there’s a process of releasing it. And when you are still in the perspective of the drama, it appears like you are being held captive in a room- in an interrogation room that you cannot get out, because you are still playing the, the role of the perpetrator.
But if there is an awakening and it’s difficult to do- I don’t know that that it’s an easy thing for perpetrators to go through this process, but, to the extent that they can remember the divine light that existed before the perpetrator existed, they can release the hell that they’re in. They can be liberated from it. Just as the victim ,if they can remember the divine light that existed before they became the victim, they can release that hell. And then there is liberation. But it’s the same process for both victim and perpetrator. It’s just, oftentimes it seems to be easier for the victim.
Johnny Burke: So what you just explained, the drama, it sounds a lot like the things that we sign up for, right.? And that sounds exactly like many of the experiences I’ve heard about in the life between life stage where you transition, you go before the karma board, if you want to call it that the, or the council .You basically judge yourself. What you did well, what you didn’t, then you make an agreement to go back. That implies reincarnation. Does it not?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: It does, and I love that you point out that that you judge yourself. You’re going before this board, but it’s not them saying, hey, you messed up. It’s you saying: I don’t know if I learned this the way that I want to learn it and I want to go back and have another experience.
Johnny Burke: A funny little anecdote I have to add in here: I read one of the books by Theresa Caputo, The Long Island Medium. She’s really, really good. I think she’s a real thing. And one of the things that she said was” life is like an episode of Saturday night live; the cast is the same. They’re always changing the costumes for all their skits, but at the end of the night, they all hug.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: Yes,
Johnny Burke: That’s brilliant. She tries to make light of it because her business being a medium gets into some pretty heavy stuff, obviously. And that’s consistent with what many people have told me about the in between stage, where you meet the elders and your spirit guides, and you make soul agreements. So, this really does turn a lot of religious beliefs and principles upside down, which actually I think is a good thing because you call it a ceiling. I call it a wall. It’s the same thing- it’s confined. So, I think this is really, really important information. Anything else you’d like to add about your experiences? now, I know I probably missed something here.
Dr. Brent Satterfield: We missed a whole bunch, but, but we only have a short amount of time to talk. So.
Johnny Burke: I think this might be to be continued because there’s a lot of great information. So, Brent, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners find you online?
Dr. Brent Satterfield: the best way to find is at www.innerworldmovement.com. They can also follow myself and others working with me on Instagram and Facebook at inner world movement. Of course, if they want to learn more about the experiences that we talked about today, go in deeper through those various experiences, they can find that in my latest book, Bringing Heaven Home on Amazon. It’s in kindle and paperback form under my name, Dr. Brent Satterfield.