#43 Journey to 5 D with Judith Corver-Blackburn
September 24th, 2021
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke, today’s guest is Judith Corver- Blackburn, a transpersonal psychotherapist, and shamanic minister. Her latest book is Activating Your 5 D Frequency. If you’ve ever had questions about the fifth dimension or 5 D, that’s exactly what we’re going to talk about today. Welcome to the program.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Thanks, Johnny.
Johnny Burke: You know, I just had to Google the fifth dimension. and I expected to find all kinds of cool stuff about five D and 3d to five D and so on. And I found a music group from the sixties who apparently had a song about the age of Aquarius. Am I right?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: You are right?
Johnny Burke: is that related to going to 5 D or should I say going back to 5 D or is that something completely different?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Oh, no, I definitely think it’s related. You know, it was from the musical hair
Johnny Burke: Right.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: was this whole way of having come of age in the sixties and early seventies, there was this whole way of consciousness. the planet, especially for, the age group of us in our late teens and twenties, where we really thought we could change the world and the musical hair came out of that. it is rather bizarre that group that sings “The Dawning of The Age of Aquarius” call themselves the fifth dimension.
Johnny Burke: Yeah.
Judith Corver-Blackburn were tuned in, things always go in cycles, and I believe we’re at a much higher octave at this point of it, but, they were tuned into something.
Johnny Burke: Sounds like it. that was, obviously a long time ago, but it seems like there’s been a groundswell of this thing. Maybe it’s been building for the past 50 or 60 years about, reaching a different vibration or in the opinion of some, going back to what we had thousands of years ago. Now, as far as your work is concerned, as a therapist, a transpersonal psychotherapist actually focuses on the health of the spirit rather than the body and the mind.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Well, it includes the spirit.
A lot of what I do I find is I have to help people clear their emotional body because, you know, we live on a planet of trauma, never mind past life traumas we bring in. it’s unusual that a growing up on this planet in this day and age, doesn’t go through some trauma. So, what I have found clear as trauma is being able to release the feelings around it. the emotional body clearing that is part of it. but the transpersonal piece is understanding. We are all souls here. We all have gifts. we all have. wounds to work through, to heal what I perceive as a greater picture of helping to heal the collective.
Johnny Burke: but in your work, it includes a spirit with everything else, with the mind and the body
Judith Corver-Blackburn: as we clear all the other stuff, the spiritual ones through.
Johnny Burke: So also, you are a shamanic minister. How did that come about and did that come after you were a therapist or about the same time?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: that was much later. And really. it’s just another definition of the work. I became a shamanic minister through going through programs that Venus Rising, which is a transformational Institute that actually my, neighbor and, and friends, Linda Star Wolf, and her late husband, Brad Collins founded. When you go through that program, you get to be a shamanic minister if you choose. But that is just another way of seeing that we’re here to minister to the healing of the world in whatever form and whatever you want to call it.
Johnny Burke: All about the healing then
Judith Corver-Blackburn: it’s all about the healing and it’s all about transformation, which is what that journey from 3D to 5 D that suddenly people are going, oh, I’m hearing about this kind of waking up to
Johnny Burke: Hearing about it a lot. as one previous guest explained to me, we were talking about Ascension the way she explained it was, we are now moving away from the masculine to the feminine energy, we’ll touch on the divine feminine because I think it’s one concept that is kind of underserved. You don’t really hear about it a whole lot. And I think a lot of us want to try and figure out what’s going on. So, we talk about the fifth dimension, we love the idea of the age of Aquarius, especially when it was 60 years ago, but what actually is five D and what is a 5 D human?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: The attributes of the five D frequency are the open heart, where we step into the unconditional love of self and others, and self is really important. Cause a lot of times that’s something that people, you know, can kind of be loving to others. Although typically, we go through human judgment and lack of compassion, but also we go into that unconditional love, unconditional love for ourselves. Flailing through as humans because we are still human form, and we are still imperfect.
Johnny Burke: right.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: That’s a central quality. And that means that we move through the heart as opposed to the mind, unity consciousness, understanding. We are all interconnected. We are interconnected with all of creation. It’s not separate from us. So, it is stepping into the awareness of oneness culture has very much separated and compartmentalized separated us from nature. The idea that earth isn’t a living being- of course, she is. So, as you step into more of this 5 D consciousness that opens up, one of my favorites is unbridled creativity because you’ve released all of the constraints of really being a segmented person. Well, one of the things I really like to talk about is that we have 12 strands of DNA. 12th.
Johnny Burke: right, okay.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Typically, we’re using two. The scientist like to say it’s because the other 10 aren’t useful. That makes no sense. You don’t have 10 strands of DNA that serve no purpose. We are in this evolutionary process of shifting dimensionally, and what that’s going to do is reactivate these 12 dormant strands in coded to use them. But culturally we’ve been shut down for thousands of years.
Johnny Burke: Well, that seems to hint that as a civilization had these qualities thousands of years ago, and I’ve heard, descriptions of something in a cave- there was a hieroglyph of two men holding what looks like sticks and there’s this giant rock. And it looked like it was a piece of the pyramid and apparently it had something to do with using a sonic frequency. Speaking of frequencies…
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Right, that my experience. I was in Egypt we had this wonderful Egyptologist who said, you know, there’s no way the pyramids were built by slave labor. And if you really research it, not Wikipedia, doesn’t give you very good information about this, but if you really, dig a little bit deeper, the whole concept of slavery in Egypt is very different than what we perceive here anyway, and in this country. These are far older than that period of time. And we talked to about that feeling that the pyramids were put in place by anti-gravitational rods? When he told us this, we were in Giza, which is in the Northern part of Egypt, then we traveled down to many of the ancient temples, which are just remarkable in the middle and the Southern part. I don’t remember which. temple, but I was in one of them and looked at these hieroglyphs and there were two men across from each other, holding rods with the big stone hovering above it. And this was put in there thousands of years ago.
Johnny Burke: It’s amazing that I’ve heard this several different times. So, it’s corroborating each other’s stories It’s not a one-off, it’s coming from multiple sources. It’s amazing, your belief is that we once, thousands of years ago had these capabilities.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Oh, absolutely. And there are well indigenous tribes here and there that we haven’t wiped out yet that still have it, There’s an African shaman who recently transitioned named Credo Mutawa, he’s quoted in a book about the white lions, he’s a part Bushman and parts Zulu. He talked about, I mean, these are, this is what he grew up on I believe it’s the bushmen that had eyesight so keen they could see the craters of the moon. So, clear, they could hear the spheres turning now, along with that, and this is what’s happening too. All people who are open to this5 D frequency, it’s available to everybody, you know, change is scary. So, there’s resistance. And a lot of what I’ve spoken about in my, book is how to acknowledge and then get through the resistance. One of the things that are happening is people are really opening up intuitively psychically. They’re becoming really empathic they’re becoming more clairvoyant, clairaudient, clairsentient. And that’s part of the dormant DNA that’s reactivated
Johnny Burke: Activating our 5D frequency-once we’re able to do that, would you consider that as a spiritually transformative experience, or is it something different?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: It’s absolutely spiritually transformative when it comes through the heart. When you come through your heart, you embody compassion and compassion is quite literally at the heart of the spiritual experience. In terms of what we might call deeper sight, you know, the opening of the third eye, that also comes with the territory.
Johnny Burke: And that’s yet another area that, a lot of us heard about it, but it’s not something people talk about every day, so it seems to me that there are enough of us that believe we had these capabilities and we lived in 5 D thousands of years ago. In your book, you talk about we were in a dimensional descent for thousands of years now we’re actually reversing it. How does that work and how do we know it’s actually happening?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Well, we don’t know it through our intellect, although the intellect can see it if you know how to look if you have the eyes to see, it’s about being able to feel it. It’s about when we’re in that 5 D frequency one, there’s a wonderful sense of wellbeing. It’s a very relaxed state. It’s the word that’s coming as an inclusive state, everybody is us and we are everybody. We’re part of everything. We’re part of something larger, we’re part of the natural world. So, there’s this the sense of connection and this sense of wellbeing. We’ve expanded our bandwidth so that what we see, some people will go out and they will consistently have visions, but that’s not an average person’s Ascension experience, but we begin to see reality in a much bigger picture. So that we don’t get caught in a lot of this ego stuff. We don’t get caught in a lot of superficial, views of success that get caught in materialism, get caught up in competition because when you understand you’re interconnected with everything we have to cooperate. Cooperation benefits everybody,
Johnny Burke: Because you’re going back to the concept of oneness at that point. in a 5 D civilization, it would appear that there’s no war, there’s no competition, which you just mentioned. Unity consciousness and at that point, it is a lack of a minus sum environment -like for every winner there has to be a loser,
Judith Corver-Blackburn: we’re going to look at as very archaic. Now competition is great if you’re working towards your own personal excellence, okay. I may be a great runner and you may be a great runner. And so, we might like to race and sometimes I’ll be ahead of you. And sometimes she’ll be ahead of me. it doesn’t make one or the other of us a winner or loser. a stimulus, okay? to stretch ourselves a little bit.
Johnny Burke: Competing with ourselves, but not with others. sounds almost too good to be true. And can’t help but ask. So, in this civilization, is there no more reality TV as well? Or is that asking too much? I had to ask and I’m sure a lot of people wanted to ask the same thing, thanks for that
Judith Corver-Blackburn: entertainment!
When I envisioned a 5 D society and partly, I can remember, and by the way, before ancient Egypt, there was Atlantis and Lemuria. And probably before those civilizations, there was also a very high consciousness of what they’re finding on the planet. And beginning to carbon date. Throws out everything we’ve learned about history.
Johnny Burke: Yeah, I kind of figured that. So, since you mentioned if I could do anything. I’d want to go back to the past and see what Atlantis was really like. I interviewed someone very recently, and she apparently remembers lives back then and we didn’t have enough time to go into it, but I couldn’t help but think, what are the buildings like? did they have cars? Did they have ships? Flying machines? In your journeys, do you have any memories of past lives? And if so, do they go back that far?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Yes.
You know, Atlantis went through many different stages. The imagery I have, and it could be Lemuria you know, memories weird as we all know, but I’ve heard other people having these same images as these crystal cities, architecture that’s based on sacred geometry and it glows.
Johnny Burke: Amazing.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Well, I didn’t get images of like, sort of hover cars. When we get to get to a certain level of consciousness. much like Star Trek. I have no doubt we can teletransport. There are enlightened masters. If I think we talked a little Johnny about reading, Yogananda‘s Autobiography of a Yogi. some of the masters he was with were able to bilocate, transport themselves.
Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that more than once. So, as we’re talking about dimensions, I had a question about this because I think this is a bit difficult for people to grasp. You mentioned codimensionality in your book.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Does that refer to like living the 3 D but experiencing in 5 D or just kind of going back and forth?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Both and that’s a term I kind of made up as I was writing the book. It came through to me because I think we are very much in a time we are in both. People will notice people that have already identified as being on a spiritual journey that has done their or doing their healing work, that is really working on opening their hearts and stepping more into compassion. We will notice one day you’re going to feel great though. There’s lightness your cells are filled with light that’s part of what’s going on with fifth-dimensional consciousness.
Johnny Burke: It’s all about the light. Isn’t it? Lightworkers, light beings, white light, how often do we hear the expression? light and love.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Right.
Johnny Burke: When I was younger, I would think, oh, that’s kind of corny, but now I’m starting to like, kind of get it, you know, as I get older. So, I guess I’m doing something right,
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Our cells are literally getting lighter. hearts are getting lighter. I, one of the things about the more you’re tuned into fifth-dimensional energy, you’re funnier.
Johnny Burke: I thought it was just doing my humor pushups, I like the fact that you can actually become funnier.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: But the next day you might wake up and you’re not funny at all the world funny, it’s heavy because you’ve crashed back down into that third-dimensional frequency. Understanding one that that’s a normal part of the process, but also have tools to enlighten yourself to understand that it’s important and we are also able to perceive co dimensionally. One of the images I use in the book is the idea of having two different things on your computer screen you can have programs open. So, on one hand, we have 5 D programs. if I were to have a very long time to explain this, how it explained this, that the evolution is going from being a 3 D 4D person because people go, where’s 4 D? 4 D is important, it’s a whole other conversation while to get through that and to fifth, sixth-dimensional consciousness. I also use the image of nesting dolls where sometimes you’re looking through that fifth-dimensional investing doll, you see the big picture, the patterning, you see the interconnections, and sometimes you’re back into that separation and consciousness through that 3 D nesting doll.
Johnny Burke: Obvious question here is that since we did have this capability, we were in another vibration thousands of years ago. What happened? How did we lose our way?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Well, there are stories about that? I can’t tell you for Sure. Barbara Hand Clow, who I’ve used her theory of multidimensionality as a foundation what I teach in a foundation in the book, she’s done some brilliant, work, and one of the things she has written, which I haven’t read, but I know about is there were, geological, cataclysms. And much of the legends about Atlantis is the final demise of Atlantis was a huge, earthquake, tsunami deal. Some people believe in, perhaps it’s not beyond the realm of my possibility when I look at, is that it was intentional from another star system that was like, uh-uh.
Johnny Burke: Really.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: We’re clearing you out, we’re still developing the memories. the ability to remember this, what had come to me intuitively is that on some level, as expanded beings, we didn’t quite know how to maneuver on the earth plane. We’re curious, there’s a lot of polarity 3D and 4D and we didn’t know how to maneuver. We had no idea what we were going to create, and we created this big mess. I do believe and it, came to me while I was teaching a workshop on multidimensionality, that the biblical story of the fall was really. about a dimensional descent.
Johnny Burke: What I’d like to know is since you brought that up, how was the sacred feminine, connected to that descent as it were?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Yeah, that’s important, basically we threw out the goddess. Okay? We threw out the feminine half of the divinity, the feminine half of source, and it threw everything out of balance.
Johnny Burke: Could that be why there was a shift, to begin with, thousands of years ago? Is that a theory?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: It could be as soon as you go into separation consciousness, you go into more of the yang or male consciousness because, it’s paralleled with the left part of the brain, that is very logical and linear, but has left out the spiritual, emotional, creative aspects, the brain over the heart. And one of the things I, find interesting is that 30 years ago, people would tell you to use your head. Now you’re hearing listen to your heart.
Johnny Burke: Follow your heart. Yes, exactly
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Right? This is part of it doesn’t have to be all, woo- woo. This is just stuff that’s right there for us.
Johnny Burke: Fairly simple concept. it’s not really that complicated.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: But it is pulling in the divine feminine, because the feminine merges, the feminine receives and merges it’s that energy that knows everything is interconnected and we’re part of everything. So part of coming back to that, the divine feminine. The other thing that happened with that separation is we lost the divine masculine, right? We went into this immature masculine, got into phases of dominance and power. That’s not the divine masculine, masculine is protective and sets boundaries and comes up with brilliant ideas.
Johnny Burke: So, we lost the divine masculine as well. We hear about the sacred, feminine, and sacred geometry for that matter. But the divine masculine is not something we heard about, but since you mentioned it, we lost sight of that. it conjures an image of dominance and competition and is kind of like a knucklehead if you want to be really honest right? , it seems to me that for the past, three, four years we’ve been stuck in this cycle of divisiveness, and you actually pointed this out in your book that, we had an election and we had a president, basically what he was doing and his machinations are basically keeping us stuck in 3 D. That sounded about right.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Well, when you have a leader that espouses separation, you are in fact, keeping people stuck in 3 D now, partly that was bringing up our shadow that we had to look at. The other thing is this is a time of huge change. Even before COVID things were changing rapidly. People get scared in that fear, they want to cling to old beliefs, even if the old beliefs really have no relevance or make no sense anymore because they believe that somehow will keep them safe. I don’t believe it keeps us safe at all. If anything, I think it, it creates resistance. and it’s been heartbreaking to see the divisions
Johnny Burke: It’s been difficult. A lot of us have lost friends and gotten into arguments with family members I’m just not going to go there anymore. So, we know that with certain behavior, certain leaders, we can be stuck- it’s basically like a never-ending cycle. It just doesn’t make any progress.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Right. The other piece that I think is really important to understand is, we are all one. So, any leaders also reflect part of our own unconscious. I mean, some people are conscious of it. So, if we want to shift things, we have to find that within us and shift the part of us, that’s attached to separation, pitting people against each other, making one group better than another group.
Johnny Burke: Right, since you just mentioned the shadow in your book, you talk about a crown of light or a crown of thorns and how it’s connected somehow to.4 D integrating our shadow. You can just imagine how some people can get really confused by 4 D. a lot of people that I talked to just skip over it, I thought, wait a minute, you’re going from three to five- what happened to number four? and I’ve heard more than one person say, well, that’s a whole different discussion. Just like you did.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: There you go.
Johnny Burke: That’s what they said.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: It’s very complex. in a sense, when I say we’re three and four-dimensional, or we have been, we’re going from 3 D, 4 D people to 5 D, 6 D, the fourth dimension is not a physical dimension. It’s a, emotional dimension. and it depends on whose theory of multidimensionality you use, so that’s why I’m hesitant to get into too many specifics because there are many lenses to look through.
Johnny Burke: It might also be a part two because I didn’t think we’re going to be able to cover this in 30 minutes or 40 minutes. So that’s Okay. too.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: All I can say though, is that in navigating the fourth dimension, and as You know, I have a chapter on that. It’s an important piece. We have to learn to see shadow and our light and integrate them. Basically, we’re looking at the polarity and, opposites and how to integrate. Which, if you look at the polarity going on in our country, certainly now we don’t have the vaguest idea collectively yet. How are we going to integrate this? People get more, ensconced in their particular view. Also, people are getting hugely different information, in terms of the solution, we’ve got to find a way to integrate, and we have to start being kind and loving to each other period, we agree with each other or not. And you have such divergent views, that is a really hard thing to do,
Johnny Burke: Really hard. At times it seems almost impossible. So, when you talk about the shadow and how we do need to acknowledge it, is that the same thing as acknowledging a bad habit? Let’s say you have unkind thoughts about a friend or even a family member for that matter. Ignoring it actually gives it power. But if you say, that’s part of the human experience, I can’t ignore it. I can say, well, that’s just part of me. That’s I’m being human I’ll get over it. It’s not a good idea to ignore it. Like it’s not happening.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Really important not to ignore it because we all have those abilities to feel and think these things they’re not pretty. I’m a big fan of people learning how to deal with anger, not to repress it, but to find healthy ways to deal with it on their own. So, they don’t project it on to other people. anger doesn’t want to go, Oh, I’m so mad at you. It really wants to go
Johnny Burke: exactly.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: That’s okay if it’s done in a non-harmful way. and I think that’s the piece, so we all have these shadow impulses and they’ve gotten intense, I believe because they’ve been repressed- the shadow is the part of the self that we don’t think is very nice. We’re not supposed to look at it, it can be gifts that we’ve been told are stupid. Like if you’re a very intuitive, psychic as a child your family went, Oh no, that’s crazy. Then that gets repressed and thrown into the shadow. But the shadow that most people have the hardest time dealing with right now is the shadow that wants to strangle somebody you’re angry at. Or that triggers you in some way. If we pretend it’s not there, it grows, it gets stronger and it gets projected onto another group. Oh, all those people they’re bad. And so, I have a right to hate them, want them out of my space, out of my country, whatever, if we all learn to actually deal with our emotions and our own shadow, then we could integrate it and be kind to everybody.
Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard it explained just like that because I think a lot of us are taught to, oh, that’s a part of yourself that you do not want to show anyone or even acknowledge, but that’s part of understanding all the different dimensions. I almost feel like I have to take a course on it and study it for years and years, maybe if I’m lucky, I’ll understand it.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: I think part of the course if you will. And when I teach the course, a lot of it is to have people go inside and find the wisdom inside of you. While we can talk about the details and I think they’re really useful, because again, they give us tools, the real shift, and the real wisdom comes from going inside. that inner wisdom where you can trust it, where you can call on your own higher guidance, your own connection with source.
Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned, in the book also a5 D global team.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: What does that mean?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: What that means to me is there are people all over the planet that are waking up that are activating their frequency. They’re raising their frequency, they’re expanding their bandwidth and they’re envisioning creating a loving, peaceful world. I believe every soul that comes in comes in for a purpose. Some of it might be a public purpose. Some of it may be, growing a beautiful garden or raising a child, or teaching something, there are numerous ways to define the purpose, but I believe that collectively we have a big mission right now. And the mission is to transform this hugely dysfunctional planet. People that call themselves Lightworkers are souls that have perhaps come in more on the cutting edge of this transition that says, okay, I’m jumping in first. You may still think I’m crazy out there in the masses, but that I’m jumping in here because I have a job to do. I’m not just doing this job alone because I have people all over the planet that also have a job that’s complementary to the job I have.
Johnny Burke: So hopefully it will, at some point reach a point of critical mass.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: Yes.
Johnny Burke: I don’t know if we’re going to see it in our lifetime, but it seems that going back to trying to learn about the fifth dimension and when we’re going to get there, the estimates run from the year 1412, all the way up to 2597, so It’s kind of hard to figure out pinpoint it, with people talking about Ascension and so on. Any closing advice for someone that wants to learn more about going from3 D to 5 D or Ascension in general?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: There are numerous ways you can access it. I would say follow your heart and not the internet.
JohnnyBurke: That’s priceless. I think the internet is definitely an evil place, but it allows us to have these interviews, obviously. So, I guess there’s one good thing.
Judith Corver-Blackburn: again, if we use it as a tool, as we’re getting all this correct information, is so much disinformation. And really, it’s only from going within and connecting with like-hearted people that you began to pull this sense of change through
Johnny Burke: That’s probably the best advice I’ve heard in I don’t know how long, Judith, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners learn more about you and your book?
Judith Corver-Blackburn: The books I’ve written this particular book activating your 5 D frequency. they’re all available on Amazon. If people want to get on my website and become a subscriber to my newsletter, they can get a free downloadable, sacred contract meditation.
Johnny Burke: Excellent. I will put that in the notes as well. You’ve been listening to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing. You can also leave us a review on iTunes as well.
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