#44 Near-Death Experiences with Dr. Yvonne Kason Part II
October 1st, 2021
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus,vI’m Johnny Burke .Today’s guest is Dr. Yvonne Kason, a five-time near-death experience survivor, president and co-founder of Spiritual Awakenings International, and past president of IANDS. Today, we will be talking about near-death experiences. Yvonne, welcome to the program,
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Hi, thanks for having me.
Johnny Burke: or should I say welcome back to the program
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yeah, I guess so.
Johnny Burke: you were on back in June and we had a really nice. response to, what I would say as our first installment on the near-death experiences that you had because you’ve got quite a few of them. So, we’re going to pick up where we left off and we’re going to go more into detail because from what I understand, one of the experiences, you actually had a life review and another, you actually remembered all your past lives.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yeah.
Wow. For those people who did not hear the first podcast, I’ll just say a couple of words about what we talked about, and then I’m going to move on to what we’re going to talk about today. I’ve had five, yes, five near-death experiences over the course of my life. I had two as a child that I talked a little bit about. last time I was on your show, and I never realized they were near-death experiences, but now I know they were, they were out-of-body experiences. One when I was almost hit by a train. And the second one, when I had a head injury in a car accident, so I was out of body floating above my body. My first adult near-death experience was, and that was the first one that I recognized was something “paranormal” out of the usual. cause as a kid, I did not know what was normal and what was paranormal. I just figured everyone had these types of experiences.
Johnny Burke: It’s very important to note that many people don’t report them right away, because, for one, they don’t often do not know what it is. And even if they think they know what it is, they’re kind of embarrassed to tell anyone
Dr. Yvonne Kason: and then, especially if you’re a kid because you have no yardstick to label something as paranormal, it’s just your experience. And you have no idea that this is not what other people are experiencing all the time. So, yeah, as a child, I had no idea these were anything that other people were not having all the time. but the experience I had in the plane crash, in 1979, when I was a young doctor in my training, I was in a medivac plane crash, and I went out of the body and into the light and into the love. That was the experience I talked about last time. So, I’m not going to talk about that today, but I’m just telling your listeners who didn’t maybe hear the last show. If you want to hear it, go back and listen to the other show.
Johnny Burke: it’s in the archives. what year was the next NDE?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: The next one happened in 1995, it was many years after that. And 16 years later, and I had already started researching NDEs and STEs (spiritually transformative experiences,) and I’d already written a book about it. so, in 1995, when I had my, second adult near-death experience, I had already been working for many years, specialized in counseling patients who had near-death experiences and other spiritually transformative experiences. I’d already written my first book on this phenomenon, “A Farther Shore”. So, I was really in the field as a medical doctor in Canada. And, I had been traveling, the day that I had this NDE. I was flying back from Edmonton to Toronto. I live in Toronto, Canada, and I’d been doing some book promotion there and talking to some groups and I was on a big commercial air, Canada flight and the plane flew into a winter storm it was, you know, big commercial planes, you get buffeted, the air turbulence It’s bad. I was sitting at a window seat, and I remember looking out on the wings that I could see ice forming on the wings now. I’m not a plane expert, but I knew they always de-ice planes. So, it’s probably not a good thing that I suppose for me.
Johnny Burke: Probably not
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I didn’t know any better, but that’s probably not good. And then we were flying. it happened the route of this particular flight was directly over where I had crashed in the plane crash in 1979. So, I remember thinking, and I wonder if this was even like a premonition, isn’t that interesting that I’m flying right over the place where I was in the plane crash and had my near-death experience and the plane crash that I was in, in 1979. They said that the reason we crashed was because of the ice on the wings and got into the air filters. And, you know, I was thinking these things, and I don’t normally think much about those sorts of things. I fly a lot. I fly regularly. Then I picked up the newspaper that I was reading to stop thinking about the crash I had many years ago. And I looked at the date on the paper, and in my mind. It was reading March 27th and I went, wow, I’m flying on March 27th because March 27th, 1979, was the day that I had the plane crash that I almost died and had my near-death experience. and I kept looking at the date on that newspaper page and like, as clear as could be, that’s what my eyes saw. I kept blinking and staring at it. And then suddenly it was like something you see on TV, where the letters swirl, and then they suddenly become a different image. Then all of a sudden, they became the date that it was, which was actually February 27th. you know, February and March do not look like each other at all printed out words So, something was going on even before it happened. Right?
Johnny Burke: What kind of experience would you guess that that was?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I am now calling it a premonition. That I think that it was in a way that spirit was preparing me that all of a sudden, I noticed the ice on the wings. I noticed that we were flying right over where my crash had been that suddenly, so I’m thinking of the crash. I’m thinking about my NDE. And then what happened is, a little bit further, we were approaching Toronto, the air turbulence got worse. The pilot was trying to land the plane. It was really, really, bad turbulence. All of a sudden, we were going down, down, down. Finally, I could see the runway ahead of this. And all of a sudden, the pilot, flapped the flaps you know, the wing flaps in the opposite directions. And he raced the engines, and it was really, clear. He was trying to abort the landing right before touchdown. and the plane started engines shaking really, violently, you know, and he was not able to do it. Like the plane was still going down. it was obvious. He was trying to abort the landing unsuccessfully people in the plane started crying and screaming and, oh my God, I’m going to die.
And some people were throwing up. my instant thought, I guess, because I had been thinking about the near-death experience was. Oh, like, it just came to me like a lightning bolt. I get it. I’m going to die today. I lived through that other plane crash because I had to write my book and do the work that I did, but I’m going to die today. Now, by that time in my life, I had been on a spiritual quest for many years and learned a lot. And I had learned that if you’re going to die, the best way to die is to die consciously. So, I made the decision instantly to die consciously. So, what I did,
Johnny Burke: when you say die consciously, what exactly do you mean?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I had learned by that point, that when, according to yoga and Buddhism, yoga is what I’d studied the most. When we die our consciousness, our spirit leaves our physical body, and we go out into astral planes and it’s possible to get stuck in some of the lower astral planes or with the grace of God. Or if your consciousness is focused on spirit, you go into the high astral planes and the astral heavens. So, I absolutely knew where I wanted to head. I wanted to go to that white light realm, the Astro heaven, where I had been before. And, when you meditate, I had been meditating avidly for many years. By this point, you can learn to go into these states. or close to getting into these states through your meditation. So, what I did is rather than getting panicked, I said, oh, I’m dying. I’m going to die. So, I’m going to consciously die.
So, I went into meditation. My only attachment to earth was my son was still quite young at that point. And so, I prayed for the Lord to look after my son and then I let go. I just completely let go. and I strived to push my consciousness to that realm of light, where I had gone in my last near-death experience, and what happened was boom, instantly. I was out of body, and I found myself traveling upwards in, really, rapidly through a vast expanse of, dark space, which I suppose some people might call it a tunnel. But to me, it was like an expansive dark space, but I was pushing my consciousness upwards. it was like my first near-death experience. It was like, I was grabbed by a force greater than myself this time. Yes, I was grabbed by a force greater than myself, but I was also pushing my consciousness in the direction it was taking me. So, the opposite of swimming against an undertow, I was swimming with where the current was taking me. I was trying to get up to that realm of light as fast as I could. then what happened was.
I had a life review. what happened to me, my experience was it was like, I jumped through time sort of like when you skip a stone across water, how it jumps. And it was like, I was jumping through time with my life review and just touching down at certain points in my life. And I touched down at three points in my life. each time I touched down, it was like, I had actually traveled in time as if I was back there and I was completely re-experiencing everything as if I had somehow time-traveled to that point in time. And so, the first place that I time-traveled back to in my life review and was totally experiencing was when I was in my near-death experience in that plane crash in 1979. And somehow, I knew that was not now. I knew it was 1979. I knew it was my past. So, when I was experiencing it, somehow, I knew it’s not that I’d gone there now. I was. In my past and I was feeling the joy and I was feeling the love and it was so awesome. And then I got popped out of that. And then I jumped through time and then I landed, in 1990 and 1990, I had a very strong, mystical experience when I was in Sylmar, California. And I call it my calling mystical experience. It was that experience that made me decide to come out of the closet about my NDEs and to start talking publicly about it. And so suddenly I was back in the surroundings, everywhere, everything. I was like, totally back in 1990 in this profound, mystical experience, feeling all the feelings, all the sensations. Then after a certain amount of time, I was just like popped out at the time. And then I popped again into a time in 1994 back in 1994, I’d had another very strong, mystical experience. It was at a time that I was going through tremendous heartbreak in my personal life. And I had been crying and sobbing and weeping and asking God for help and for strength.
And I was blessed with a very beautiful, mystical experience that was very healing for me and gave and gave me strength and gave me courage. and suddenly I’m back in that experience again and feeling all the feelings that, and the love and the joy. And then I pop out of that. And then all of a sudden, I’m back in this tunnel or space traveling up, up, up, up, up towards the light. And now the color all around me had changed and it was no longer sort of Blackish, but it was more like an incredibly beautiful, deep, Royal blue is the best that I can describe it. So, all around me was like this Royal blue color, but I’m still pushing it consciously trying to get to that white light realm. Like I knew where I wanted to go. So, I was trying to push myself to as fast as I could, even though a force was carrying me up this tunnel or, space. And then all of a sudden, my path was blocked because a beam of light appeared in front of me blocking my path. So, I couldn’t go any further.
Johnny Burke: I was waiting for that. I was waiting for some kind of being because I’m sure everyone that’s listening is asking. Did she see loved ones? Did you see a being of light or something? So, you did. You saw one…
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yeah. Wow. interestingly enough, I did not see beings of light in my earlier three and two. So, this is the first time I saw being of light and it was blocking my path, and this being of light, was not someone or something that I recognized, and it was luminescent. Translucent and that same, incredibly beautiful Royal blue color. So, the whole being of light was this luminescent, translucent, beautiful, deep blue. it had the most unique appearance. It was half male and half female. It was like the left side of its figure was clearly female. And the right side of the figure was clearly male, and it seemed to have, four arms and the arms are being held up in specific posture, sort of like dancing postures. And one of the legs was also held up sort of like in a dancing posture and. After the experience I have seen statues of in yoga, what they call the dancing Shiva, then it’s holding this sort of a posture. And that was the posture that this figure had. it mentally or telepathically communicated to me. It is not your time. And just like that, I was back in my physical body, in the plane and the plane was still vibrating and shaking and really bad turbulence because the pilot had not been able yet to abort the landing, but he was still trying to, and people were crying and throwing up and all this sort of stuff in the plane.
I don’t know if my third eye was wide open or what, all I can tell you is that when I was back in my plane, I could see like a force field of white light around the plane. So, I knew we were going to be okay. somehow, you know, the pilot managed to in the last minute, pulled the plane up and then he got up and circled around he later came on and made an announcement that when he was about to touch down, he saw that there were coyotes on the runway and we would have crashed into the coyotes and, could have been a serious accident, which is why he had to abort the landing. And I later found out from pilot friends, the fact that all the ice was on the wings was why it made the plane so heavy. And he had lost a lot of this airspeed because they slowed down before they land. And this was why he was having trouble getting the plane up again, the story’s not over.
Johnny Burke: I did want to ask one question though about the figure, the being of light had
Dr. Yvonne Kason: four arms held in postures.
Johnny Burke: as in like the God Shiva. Right?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yes.
Johnny Burke: I think is, a God of destruction.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: some people say destruction and rebirth, you know?
Johnny Burke: Okay. But could it be that because that you are a disciple of many spiritual, belief systems that you saw, something from the Hindu culture where someone who is devoutly Christian might see a Christ-like figure? Does that make sense?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Well, it was outside my belief system because I, for years, tried to find a figure that looked like this because it was so definitively half male, half female. I saw a depiction in any spiritual tradition of a figure that looked like this. So, I really had no idea why this particular figure appeared to me, somebody recently on some talk show phoned in and said that it’s different; it’s not Shiva, it’s some other, Hindu deity, and that it was a great blessing that I saw this, this figure. Well, I don’t know. All I can tell you was that is what I experienced. I had no idea who it was. It did not seem to fit into my particular spiritual path at that time. But anyway, I suddenly I’m back in my body.
But I have to tell you about the after-effects when I got home from the airport, I felt very, very, very tired. Like a strangely tiring night, and when I woke up the next morning, I was in a unitive state of consciousness. I was in a state where I felt like I did not have a top of my head anymore, where the top of my head used to be. I was experiencing a direct connection to spirit. a profound, yet incredibly humbling experience because what I knew while in this state of communion in this state of oneness, I was 24- seven. This lasted about two months, completely aware of my oneness. With the higher power with the infinite consciousness behind the universe. But I also knew at the same time that every other sentient being is just as connected as I am. It’s like a million legs on a millipede. We’re all equally connected to the millipede. Right? The difference was me as one of the little legs is that veil that blinds us to the fact that we’re connected had been removed. And I was totally aware and living in that connection. And my sense of awareness was it’s impossible to describe, but my sense of intuition was profound. They have a saying in yoga before enlightenment chopping wood and hauling water after enlightenment chopping wood and hauling water. And that’s exactly what it was like. I just led my normal life. I never even told anybody there was no need to tell anybody I was home. This is the goal that we are seeking. And I had found it and I was feeling such joy, but there was absolutely no need to talk about it, but I would go to my office, and I would see my patients and, you know, they would walk into my office before they even opened their mouths. I already knew through this incredible intuition in this state of consciousness, what their problems were and how I could best help them.
Johnny Burke: this is really important cause you’re a doctor, you had some of the aftereffects- the clairs; clairvoyant, clairsentient, clairaudient, which was an aftereffect of one of your, or maybe several of your NDEs. Do you think this is a common thing?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Different people have different after-effects, but there’s definitely a pattern in terms of the aftereffects. To become more clear, more psychic, more clairvoyant, more clairaudient, more clairsentient to develop mediumistic abilities to develop healing abilities is fairly common for people after, near-death experiences. And also, after Kundalini awakenings and mystical experiences, the type of unitive experience that I have that lasted two months is less common, but it showed me it was possible. It showed me that for an ordinary person like me, what they talk about in the sacred books and the mystical texts of all the great religions is actually possible. It’s true. It’s not a myth that only happens to the saints of the past. Anyway, I want to finish with that story. I found that with time, my consciousness started contracting and I’d have to meditate. I’d have to put meditate to put my focus on the third eye center and when I would do that, and then it would, I would pop into that state again. And then slowly with time, it got more and more difficult for me to enter that state. And at the end of two months, I was not able to get back into that state anymore. it impacted me tremendously because I knew. This is now my goal in life to deepen spiritually, to do my inner work, to meditate because this is where happiness is. Everything else in the world pales compared to that state of communion. you enjoy whether you’re in heaven or hell no, because the state of consciousness is joy. So that was my 1995 near-death experience.
Johnny Burke: which is incredible to say the least. With the life review, the subject of the council of elders or the council of 12 comes up a lot where they telepathically communicate to that experiencer as if to say not to judge them, but as if to say, how do you think you did? So, in this one, you did not see anything that was like the council.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: No, I did not. I mean, I’ve heard many people’s life reviews and, and some people get like Dannion Brinkley or Robert Bare. what Dannion and calls a panoramic life review, where they go through their entire incarnation from conception till death and they experience, not only how they were thinking and feeling, but they’re able to feel and hear the feelings and reactions of other people. So, it’s very, very impactful, to realize the impact of your actions on people. For me, some people just get highlights of their life. and for me, that’s what happened to me. I mean, I didn’t have any control over what happened. For me, it was the three peak mystical experiences of my life. that I was shown in my life review.
Johnny Burke: I believe in 2003, you had another near-death experience.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: And it was different.
Johnny Burke: You flat-lined. Right. And you remembered all your past lives. I’m dying to know how that
Dr. Yvonne Kason: This happened,
Johnny Burke: how did you do it?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Well, interesting. I’m just wondering which point to start at. So, I’ll get to the juicy part, and then I can backtrack if we have time. cause I also had some premonitions about this that I can get back to later if we have time. cause I think that’s an interesting phenomenon. People getting premonitions of when they’re going to die or premonitions of when they’re going to have a near-death experience.
Johnny Burke: I don’t think I’ve heard anybody talk about the premonition before an NDE, so maybe we should start with that.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Okay. Then we will start with my plane crash in 1979. Now that I look back, I realize I had a premonition for that as well. in 1979, I was young, and I was very, very figure conscious, or I was constantly on a low carb diet, and I wouldn’t even consider eating cookies. And so, I’m asked to go on this medivac with this critically ill patient. And I had a heavy winter parka and boots, et cetera because it’s middle of winter and it’s up north and they’re in the doctor’s lounge. Someone had put out a big tray of cookies never would I normally touch a cookie? I was so figure-conscious at that stage of my life. anyway, so I’m looking at the cookies and the thought comes in my head. You better eat a couple of cookies; cause you’re going to need the energy later. this is such an uncharacteristic thought for me. And so anyway, I shoveled down a couple of cookies, but now when I realized I did need every bit of sugar and carbs in my body when I was swimming to shore in that plane crash. it was like some part of me was giving me a premonition-you’re going to need this energy later.
So, this time November the eighth, 2003 was a, astrological day for these people. We were into astrology. It was something called the harmonic concordance. And some of my patients that are astrologers, were bringing in my chart, my natal chart with the harmonic concordance. And two of them had said to me, you know, Yvonne, there’s a really big astrological event happening on November the eighth the harmonic concordance supposedly the stars in the heavens or the planets aligned in a big six-pointed star, like a star of David. And this was supposedly auspicious. And supposedly these astrologer patients didn’t even know each other. They both came in and told me something really big is going to happen to you this day. Something that is going to propel you to your next stage spiritually, because it’s directly impacting your astrological chart. So, I thought, well, okay. I would listen to what astrologers would say, but I couldn’t imagine what would happen to me. My life was so spiritual. I’ve written all these books on spiritual experiences. I was an avid meditator and spirituality was my life. I was counseling people with STEs. I couldn’t imagine.
So, I went to Niagara Falls that day. There was a full moon eclipse. that night and a friend, and I had the idea to watch the full moon eclipse over Niagara Falls, so we drove to Niagara Falls and I love to meditate at the foot of the falls because I love the roar of the waterfalls reminds me of the Ohm vibration. I find I can go very deep in meditation when I met the foot of the falls So that day, that night I was meditating at the foot of the falls and I went so deep I reentered that state of communion that I was in after the plane crash in 1995, all of a sudden I was back in communion. And that was the very first time I had re-entered that state of communion since 1995. And I saw a being of light, a Saint, Babaji, on the other side is the light body and he mentally telepathically communicated to me, welcome home.
I just felt such joy. I felt such peace. I thought I was just being blessed with a gift that night of spirit. I had no idea how long I would stay in that communion because before it had lasted two months, I didn’t know if this would ask two hours or two days, but I remained in that state as I was eating dinner.
Then after dinner, when we went to look at the falls, I slipped on black ice and I fell, hit my head, and died. Now I now think that that experience of communion for two hours before I died was my death bed experience. And the deathbed experiences, the experiences people have shortly before they die. It’s very, very, well-documented where the veils are thin. They start talking with the part of loved ones on the other side are saints from their religion. Right? I now think that’s what happened to me before I died.
Johnny Burke: When someone is, on the death bed, they’re in the hospital or wherever they are. And they start talking to past loved ones That happened to my mom
Dr. Yvonne Kason: deathbed experiences. Yeah,
Johnny Burke: My mom was about ready to pass; she was talking to her father who I never met because he passed before I was born, and she was asking, daddy, can I have more wine? most people are not that open-minded. And they think, oh, they are just crazy. They’re losing their mind.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: but no.
Johnny Burke: but that’s a real thing. Isn’t it?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yeah, it’s a very, very real thing. And, and it’s very well-documented now. So, I now think that’s what’s happening to me. That was actually preparing me, right. Like I was already in communion so that when I died, I mean, there was no fear. I knew where I was. Right.
Johnny Burke: you’re probably excited if anything, right?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I was in complete peace that’s more like it, I was in joy. I was in peace. anyway, so I slipped on black ice, fell and hit my head on rock, sustained a serious traumatic brain injury with the brain hemorrhage. And I instantly died, and I found my spirit just whisked by a force greater than myself. It was so fast, out of my physical body. And I was rushed up through this darkest expanse of space that some people call it a tunnel, but for me, it was like a dark expanse of space. And then suddenly I found myself in the realm of white light again, where I had been in 1979 in the plane crash. But this time welcoming me into the light where two beings of light two saints from my tradition, Paramhansa Yogananda, and Mahavatar Babaji was who had welcomed me home, you know, a few hours earlier when I went into communion. And then when I entered the white light realm, he and Paramahansa Yogananda who are saints from my particular spiritual path. welcomed me into the light and the feeling was of incredible joy, incredible love. And it felt like a celebration. It felt like there was a graduation party being held in my honor, you know, that like you graduated university or something and there’s a party in your honor. That’s literally what it felt like. and I felt just so welcomed and loved, but then I remembered I’ve researched and studied a lot of NDEs. I thought, oh, here it comes. Here comes the life review.
Johnny Burke: okay.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: my mind was still there obviously. Right. what was so fascinating is that. The two saints, the two beings of light, like they could read my thoughts. They knew that that was what I was thinking. And so, they turned, and they looked at me and then they just sort of, I mean, it’s impossible to explain. It was like, with a breath, I understood much, without any words being spoken. I just somehow knew that. don’t worry about it. Included in that feeling. Was that understanding that just like a parent knows when a child is growing up, they’re learning to crawl, they’re learning to stand. They’re going to stumble. They’re going to fall. They’re going to skin their knees and going to bump their head. It’s all part of the growing-up process. It’s all part of the learning process. That was the same sort of understanding with me that like, oh, it was all part of your learning I felt this tremendous relief that, oh, okay. just complete acceptance. And then I no longer was having visual images. So, I entered a state of consciousness, let’s use those words, where I was no longer seeing things, I was able to take in vast amounts of information all at once, like vast computer downloads, where all kinds of information were being input at once. And I had like an aha realization or revelation experience because what I re-remembered, that the downloaded given me something that I used to know, but I had forgotten, I remembered all my past lives, it was incredible because it made sense- it all fit. And it’s like, if you’re working with the jigsaw puzzle when you have a few of the pieces, you have a sense of what it’s going to look like. But when you get the whole picture, put together all the pieces in place, it’s like, wow, that all fits. And that’s how it felt about my current lifetime I just had.
And all of my past lives suddenly it made sense why I had this rather weird and unusual life is Dr. Yvonne Kason having all of these N D E s and S T E s because guess what? This is not the first lifetime I’ve been having these types of experiences. I was sort of like; my soul was just sort of picking up from where it left off for many, many lifetimes past.
Johnny Burke: was there a particular number of past lives? do you remember how far back they went?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Many, many, many, both as men and as women of different color of different religions, going back thousands of years, like Atlantis and before, many, many, many incarnations, and more than that, there was another incredible phenomenon that was happening when I was in this realm of, let’s call it pure consciousness or pure knowing somehow time did not pass the same way. And I was not experiencing time, the same way that we experience it here on earth, how I was experiencing it; it was sort of like past present and future were all happening at the same time. Like they all co-existed and that time could actually bend, but when I got back to my body, it felt like way more time had passed on the other side that had passed to the physical body here on earth. time’s sort of looped back and it came back to the specific point.
Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a few times. So, you were actually clinically dead at one point, did someone take you to the hospital or?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: no, I’m still lying on the ground clinically dead. having this experience was telepathically explained to me when I first arrived in the white light realm that I had died, that my work in the incarnation of Dr. Yvonne Kason was over and, thus the graduation party. So, in this timeless time, there was also, people ask me, you know, were these incarnations linear? And my answer is no, no, they weren’t. if you think of it like going to school and there’s all these different subjects, geography and history and math and languages or whatever, and you might be really good. You danced in one subject, but you know, a couple of grades behind in another subject. And so, depending on what lessons your soul has to learn, you’ll be given those experiences, but it’s not in a linear fashion, but if you look at the whole picture, It all actually fits together beautifully and perfectly. I also very, very clearly experience those incarnations can overlap from our perspective,
Johnny Burke: overlap.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: overlap. Yeah. The way we experience time here, we think that, okay, if you’re going to reincarnate, I have to be dead and, you know, 2001, then I can incarnate sometime later. Whereas what I experienced on the other side was that we can have incarnations that from our time frame overlap. So, from our perspective, it looks like we’re incarnated in more than one body at the same time. Cause the incarnations are overlapping. For example, my last incarnation before this one overlapped with this incarnation by about three years.
Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that before.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: No other people have described this.
Johnny Burke: would that be the same thing as parallel lives or not?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: that would be a similar sort of concept. Like people have said, you know, twin souls or doppelgangers. Can you meet yourself if you’re having an overlapping incarnation? and my answer to that from what I experienced is yes, and the yogis of India understood this because for example, in Paramhansa Yogananda’s book, Autobiography of a Yogi, he talks about a spiritual master, manifested in three physical places in a physical body at exactly the same time. That’s in that book just to let people know that’s possible, right. It’s possible. And we don’t understand it, but. it’s possible from the cosmic perspective, it’s absolutely possible. And people have also asked me, do I think it’s possible that we could have incarnations on other planets on other dimensions and then come to earth or all our incarnations on earth? My response from what I experienced is anything is possible. Why couldn’t we have time and other astral planes or other planets or whatever, and come here, if it’s all part of our soul’s learning? So, this sort of blows open many traditional religious views, but I’m just sharing. That is actually what my experience was.
Johnny Burke: I think a lot of this work will actually rewrite many of the textbooks if you want to call them that, whether it’s history or we’re talking about science or religion, I don’t think there’s really much doubt about that.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I think the place to start is from experiencers people, who’ve experienced these things and trust their experience. I mean, for thousands of years, mystics were burned at the stake and killed for describing experiences that they’ve had. and hopefully, we’re at a time where instead of being burned at the stake, you’re called crazy or hallucinating or making it up. We’re moving to a time, you know, through shows like yours, that through spiritual awakenings international and through my books that we’re raising awareness, that these experiences are real and that the range of human consciousness is much greater than what we currently think is possible.
And that there are people that are having some of these expanded experiences of consciousness, which I think is ultimately part of the evolution of our species and in yoga that it’s believed that way, that we’re evolving as a species that over many, many incarnations over thousands and thousands of years, more and more people will have wider and wider and wider ranges of consciousness. So, the ultimate goal is that we’re all going to eventually be so spiritually and psychologically evolved, that we’ll live in this state of unitive consciousness all the time. hard to imagine that, but that would be the long-term goal.
Johnny Burke: It is a bit hard to imagine, but you were obviously involved with IANDS and for those who don’t know what that is, it stands for the international association for near-death studies. I think that definitely raised awareness. Because there are hundreds of thousands of NDEs that have been documented. And now what you’re doing with spiritual awakenings international is basically taking that a little bit further, but more,
Dr. Yvonne Kason: broadening it.
Johnny Burke: more expansive. I think the stigma of people having, NDEs and what you call STEs, those kinds of experiences are actually decreasing because it’s almost reaching like a critical mass it’s getting to the point where it’s almost silly not to believe in it as it is to believe in it, because there’s so many of them. How can you argue that 900,000 people just made all that up? just like the deathbed experiences, there are thousands of accounts and it’s so well-documented, and you hear the same experience or something very similar over and over and over again. It’s kind of silly to ignore that.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: exactly. And that’s what got me into this area. So many patients came to see me telling me their stories because they were so delighted to find a doctor who didn’t immediately label them as crazy. I had to start speaking up and advocating for experiencers. These are not crazy people. These are very real experiences that people are having and I’m also having them. So let me finish that near-death experience and tell you how I got back in my body, which was suddenly after a period of timeless time. there’s no sense of time over there. Very different from here. The two, Saints, the two beings of light reappeared to me again. I saw them visually again, and they telepathically communicated to me. you may now choose to either to incarnate in the body of the baby to further serve the divine that form or to return to the maimed body of Dr. Yvonne Kason.
Johnny Burke: You had a choice.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: I was given a choice, people down here imagine that, oh, if you’re given a choice, that means you’re, making a list of the pros and the cons, what does this mean? What does that mean? What would be involved? what happened instead was when I was given that choice, I was in such an expansive mystical state of communion, bliss, joy, love. My heart was wide open, and it felt like it was my heart that responded. It literally felt like the response physically came out of my heart and my heart responded, oh, masters, please guide me. I want to do God’s. Will. What is the higher choice, and I was telepathically, so lovingly like how a thought can be loving, it’s hard to explain, was telepathically communicated to me. It will be more difficult, but to return to the main body and my heart immediately responded, and faster than the speed of thought, because it was between the eye and the except with a gasp of air that I suddenly, my eyes opened in my physical body and, I felt like waking up in an ice cube because I had hit my head and died outdoors in winter in Canada. So, it was cold. My body temperature, I guess, had dropped. And for the first few minutes, I don’t know how long really my sense of time was totally gone, but I could see both realms. I could see the world around me, and a person came running up. Are you okay? Are you okay? And I remember the first word out of my mouth was no, and I could see the white light realm and the two saints, the two beings of light, super like they were right with me. It was like, they brought me, castor them, thought back in my body and they were there with me. And then slowly with time that white light realm started fading from view until it only became like a.in my consciousness.
Then I was back, and I was back with a serious traumatic brain injury, which disabled me from the practice of medicine. I lost my ability to write. I lost my ability to practice medicine. I lost my ability to do public speaking teaching. I couldn’t even volunteer in my son’s school. It was like my life had been hit by an a bomb. So, when they said it will be more difficult, uh, no kidding. I was disabled,
Johnny Burke: And there is an ending to that story, we have a couple more minutes, but I think, you need to tell the listeners what happened
Dr. Yvonne Kason: Yeah. So, I went to neuro rehab for seven years because I so loved what I used to do to no avail. So, I eventually had to make peace with it that for whatever reason, in the divine plan, I was sent back as a disabled person. And that the only way that I could serve now with my disability was through my prayers and through my meditation.
So, I embraced that, I had to relearn how to meditate because I’d lost that ability. And that took me years even to get that back. but I really focused on praying for other people, my meditation, as I was still trying to get better, but. I’m one of these people, if the cup is half empty, look at it as half full. So, I tried to focus on what I could do rather than on what I had lost. And anyway, the miracle ending that I want to share with people and people are wondering, how is it? She’s the past president of IANDS. And now she’s president of Spiritual Awakenings International, and she’s just released a book called Touched by the Light is that I had a miracle healing experience 12 years after my traumatic brain injury.
And what happened was on February 24th, 2016. I was deep in meditation in Encinitas, California at the Self-Realization Fellowship Meditation Retreat. And suddenly, while in deep meditation, I experienced an eruption of light in the center of my brain. It was literally like a fountain of liquid light was flowing into the center of my brain.
And it was this sensation of waking up. As if the center of my brain had been asleep for 12 years and like literally the lights came on, there was light I felt like I had woken up and this was spontaneous brain healing. After that point, I started writing books again. In fact, I wrote Touched by The Light as the first book I wrote after my brain healing.
I wrote it in about nine months, which I think is incredible because that’s how long a pregnancy is. And the books are still wanting to come out of my consciousness. It’s like I’ve got quadruplets that have been gestating in my consciousness while I was offline for refurbishment there in my head injury. And so, the second book, I’m hoping to get it published within the next year. And then I’ve got some more books inside of me and then spirit has shown me, that I’m to now reach out, not only through public speaking, like the talk I’m doing today, but I’m online. And I got the big prompt from about two years ago
You’re going to be starting a new organization. It’s going to be called spiritual awakenings international
Johnny Burke: And it’s going to be massive. like a rock band -We’re going to be huge!
Dr. Yvonne Kason: And one year ago, I was told the date you’re launching is June 15th, 2020. I went, okay. Robert almost had a heart attack. how can we do it so quickly? I said that’s the date. That’s the date we’re going to launch.
Johnny Burke: but did they say that you had to be on Closer To Venus first?they didn’t say that, did they?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: No.
Johnny Burke: All right. I had to ask.
Dr. Yvonne Kason: No. Anyway, so I’m glad you asked me to share the story, Johnny, because I just want people to know that to never give up faith or hope in a miracle. I mean, by medical standards, it should be impossible that 12 years after a neurological injury that I suddenly healed, but I did. I look at it ultimately just as the grace of God, that there was more work for me to do, I guess. And so, spirit, said, Alrighty, fine, enough of this being offline for refurbishment. We’re putting it back online, Yvonne Kason 2.0 and here you go.
Johnny Burke: Excellent. That is an incredible story. I’m sure that you’re probably going to be back on the show at some point. I think spiritual awakenings international is going to be a very good thing for a lot of us. Doctor. Thanks so much for joining us. today. How can our listeners find you online?
Dr. Yvonne Kason: You can find me at Spiritual Awakenings International and our website is www. spiritual awakenings international.org. We hope to have a live conference, in 2022 and each month we have an online featured speaker and we recently just launched our SAI YouTube channel where you can watch videos of some of our past featured speakers’ events. So, I invite you all to all of it.
For more information: www. spiritual awakenings international.org.