#46 Near-Death Experiences and My Life Review with Robert Bare

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Robert Bare, former vice president of IANDS, current vice president of Spiritual Awakenings International, and the multiple near-death experiencer, one of which included a life review, which is what we’ll be talking about today. Robert, welcome to the program.

Robert Bare: Thank you very much. I’m very honored that you have me here. Thank you.

Johnny Burke: I think a good place for us to start as, tell us how you got involved with IANDS what it is, what it represents and, and how you eventually wound up being involved with Spiritual Awakenings International.

Robert Bare: first of all, on March 22nd, 2009, I died from a massive heart attack was, was dead over 45 minutes and it was revived. So, I was on a TV show called “I survived beyond and back” after I had recovered from that I became a very popular speaker. I spoke to various groups, and I was down in Arizona, and one of the board members for IANDS I was involved with that presentation with me and he found out about my corporate background and asked me if I would want to apply for a board position on IANDS and I said, sure, so I did and I was selected to be on the board. And then I ran for vice president on a slate with Dr. Yvonne Kason as president and we were elected. But, deep down, I always thought there was something else I was supposed to do. So, we, started talking about this about probably eight months before we both resigned from IANDS on the same day. I just knew there was something else I was supposed to do. And, when we resigned. We co-founded Spiritual Awakenings international, which by the way, is just a bullet train. We are in 57 countries. Now we just started in June of last year. We have 1600 subscribers, 40 affiliated groups. So, your podcast is one of them and we’re very grateful for that. That’s how I met you, John, was through that and it is all-encompassing. We have no dogma. We go out, we have presentations, everything’s free and we have a great group of people that have done the presentations and we’re, we’re basically more heavily followed in Europe. Australia New Zealand, or at least as much as we are in the United States. We’re really picking up people in India, South America We’re going to start doing presentations in Espanol. And then we’re probably going to branch off into Portuguese next after Dr. Kason and I was talking about that earlier today, just to meet the demand. So that gives you a background. 

Johnny Burke:  I thought it was interesting. I bring up IANDS which stands for, International Association of Near-Death Studies, I thought was a great, organization to collect data on near-death experiences. I thought it was a natural progression for you and Yvonne to come from that and start, as I think it will be known as SAI, right.? Nothing against IANDS but I think Spiritual Awakenings International is obviously more expansive to include a lot of the different spiritually transformative experiences as they’re all connected anyway.

Robert Bare: And we are experiencers, and we’re there for experiencers. We were connecting people worldwide, so you’re right. You’re right. John 

Johnny Burke: speaking of experiences, you had one, I believe it was your first near-death experience. Right before that, a friend had asked, are you right with the Lord? Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Robert Bare: Yeah, this was back in 2008. I had been a policeman, for 23 years. I’ve retired three times, but one of the careers I had was, I worked for the California highway patrol. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the TV show “Chips”, but that’s what I did. And, and I had a good friend, who actually was in a police department. I was on one before I joined the highway patrol, but we were very close. And one thing about being a policeman: you have comradery. It’s like a brotherhood, you become very close with the people. And I got this call in 2008 from one of my friends and he called me in. He said Robert, I have to ask you this question and I said, what is it? he said, are you right with the Lord? it totally caught me off guard. I said I think so, what, what compelled you to ask that question? And he goes, I don’t know. I just feel like I’m supposed to ask you that. And then we ended up talking about other things. and what was really ironic about this, is that a short time later he passed away. The whole ordeal was sad, but I was scheduled to go for a full physical where you have the blood tests and, urine test and you have a treadmill and stuff like that. I passed that with flying colors. at the time and after I took the test, I didn’t really think about my health issues. I had just got a clean bill of health and one night, I was lying in bed. And my mother passed away in 2005 and we were very close her and I, we had our problems when I was growing up, but we were a close Irish Catholic household, but she had passed and one night I woke up and at the foot of my bed there’s my mother and she was absolutely beautiful. John. She looked like She did when she was younger-. absolutely beautiful. And I don’t know how to explain this. I communicated with her. I don’t know how I Did it. Telepathically is the best way I can describe it, but she told me that I was going to die and to prepare for it. 

Johnny Burke: did she, tell you to get your affairs in order? 

Robert Bare: to get everything in order

Yes, she did. of course, this was after my friend had called me and was asking me if I was Right. with the Lord. So, I was in a pool of sweat. I couldn’t sleep for two days after this incident with my mother. I mean, it was real. She was there. but then I got the full physical and passed everything with flying colors. and then a short time later, I woke up again and at the foot of my bed was my friend that had died. The police friend. and there he was, and it was like, we were young again, he looked young, and I could talk to him. It was like, telepathic is the best way I can explain it. He said he had a message for me. And he said I’m going to bring you through the light. I want you to know that. And I thought, what are you talking about? And he said I have to go. I want to go visit my grandchildren in Sacramento. So, he disappeared. The same thing happened to me where I’m in a pool of sweat couldn’t sleep. it was real. And I ended up making some phone calls and I found out that his grandkids, in fact, did live in Sacramento, which I didn’t know at the time; I live in the coastal area of Oregon- It’s a very cool climate.

My son was a high school teacher and football and baseball basketball coach. So he would have like a spring break and he’s living in the Phoenix, Arizona area. every year I would go out, spend spring break time with him and we would go to spring training games, baseball games, and I would visit with my granddaughters, and we’d make a whole family thing out of it. Every year we look forward to it. So, I went down to, Arizona and it was hot down there, John. I mean, it was probably close to a hundred degrees and I just didn’t feel good. And I thought it was just from the weather. Just, change in the weather from the cool coastal climate. And just didn’t feel well, sick all week. I didn’t think much else about it because I just had that full physical and a clean bill of health where you think, oh, I’m, I’m doing great. So, I spent the week there and I could hardly wait to get back to Oregon, went to the airport, he dropped me off. We said our goodbyes. And I looked at the TSA line and, I went through the line. I made it through, I bought some aspirins, took a couple of aspirins, and, came time to board the plane. I boarded the plane and as I was putting stuff in the overhead bin, I dropped dead from a massive heart attack.

Johnny Burke: And that was the first one. 

Robert Bare: That was the first one. 

Johnny Burke: Didn’t, you also have precognitive dreams? was it this NDE or was that for another near-death experience? 

Robert Bare: it was for another one. I don’t remember what exactly was happening to me on the plane because I had gravitated into a light. and it was, absolutely beautiful. there were people with me, there were souls with me, someone was with me. And I like to think it was my friend who told me that he was going to bring me through the light because he’s the type of guy that if he told you he was going to do something, he’d do it. On the plane, there was a couple of off-duty firemen who were from the Pacific Northwest that had actually spent some time in Arizona doing the same thing I was doing watching spring training games. And they started to give me CPR and work in defibrillator on me. I don’t remember any of that because I was going up until this light. it was the most awesome feeling; I saw colors that don’t exist on this earth. you felt like you were basked in love, and it’s just wonderful. And then I ended up in this place in front of what I would call a higher power. And I’m going to tell you something. It was very humbling. It still bothers me to talk about it even right now. I just could not look. There were all types of beings or souls or whatever you want to call them around this whole area. Like a massive auditorium. I was asked a question, I don’t know what language, telepathically or whatever, but I understood what I was asked and that was what good I had done in my life?. And the next thing I know. A life review began. And I’m going to tell you, it was a reckoning for me. When you were a policeman, I’d been a city manager, I’d been a university professor. I had a lot of power and I had affected a lot of lives. And I did not realize to the extent that my actions had affected other people. And during the life review, which started from when I was conceived until the day I died, I was watching every single event unfold. I could feel my emotions all over again. I could hear myself, but I could also not only hear the other people, but I. Sensed what their thoughts were about me. it just really bothered me. And, but there was a lot of good that came out of it too. 

I’ll give you an example. I was lucky enough to have my father lived for several years after I had this near-death experience. And I got to share a lot of things with him, but one of the things was I saw myself. I was probably four or five years old we used to go to the store in San Jose on Saturday mornings and we do our major shopping. And I remember I saw some baseball cards there I knew if I asked my father, he would probably say yes, but my mother would always say no, or, you know, you’re going to have to work for it or whatever. So, I asked my father if I could have those baseball cards, it was a nickel pack. and his response was not what I wanted to hear. It was “ask your mother”. And my mother was standing right by and she says, ask me what? So, I said, kind of have those baseball cards, as soon as I said that she goes, no. So, I stole the cards, and we went home, and my mother came into the room, and she goes, Robert, what are you doing? And I looked at her and the cards are out there. And next thing I know she’s getting my father there, loading me up in the car and they’re taking me back to the store to apologize to the store owner for stealing the cards. My father was kind of laughing about this, when I was telling him this, after my near-death experience. But he says, I remember tI did not want to take you back. when we got back, my mother said, here’s our son. He owes you an apology. You can arrest him if you want. We don’t care what you do for him. He needs to. pay for what he did and this, that, and the other. And, the guy was saying, we don’t want to arrest him, just give me a nickel. So, my dad gave him a nickel loaded me up, back up on the car, ended up back home. 

Johnny Burke: And this came up in the life review. 

Robert Bare: Oh yes. And I told my father, I said, you did your job as a parent. it had a profound effect on my life. It really did. 

Johnny Burke: It’s an important lesson. It is

Robert Bare: Yes. And several of the things that I saw in my life where you were exactly related to that, I had two grandmothers that were just wonderful, one of them worked with me because I had a stuttering problem. She would spend so much time with me. And I remember her last Christmas of 1954. My father and mother had given her a camera. It was a Kodak brownie Instamatic camera, but it was the type where you had to wind the film in. But I remember her telling my father, I don’t want this. It’s too complicated. That was the last time, I saw her, and she died right. after that. And it was really good to see her again. 

Johnny Burke: During the life review. what type of beings did you see? Did you get to experience past loved ones and people that you knew?

Robert Bare: Yes. 

I’m going to expand just a few moments, I had a situation where my sister, wasn’t allowed to really date anybody unless I had to go with them. And if like we went to the drive-in, I had to sit in the back seat with my date and my parents made her sit in the front seat with her date. They didn’t want her in the back seat. It was kind of like there was a Catholic thing. anybody that’s been in that type of environment. I think they probably understand it. There was one girl that I would take all the time and, she really was affectionate towards me. And, I had a couple of cars I had a 56 Chevy and of a 57 Ford, had a couple of cars. my friends and I, used to go cruise beach street in Santa Cruz. On a weekend night. And, I didn’t have to do the babysitting duty with my sister where I had to double date. So, I thought I’m going to go cruising with my friends. So, this young lady came over and she said, will you take me to a dance at the coconut Grove? And I said, no, she goes, what do you mean? No? And I said, I want to go cruising with my friends, she said, can I go with you? And I said, no. I said we’re going to go do. it by ourselves. And she got upset. So, she left and came back and gave me this letter. And that night she went with some other friends. She got in a car crash, and she died in a car crash. When I was seeing that part of my life review, I actually heard a voice say, “you never opened my letter”. I know exactly who that was I still have the letter. I know what was in the letter. I just never opened it. I mean, I just couldn’t do it. I felt terrible because if she’d have been with me, she wouldn’t have died. so I saw things like that happen. 

Johnny Burke: it’s a very heavy experience. What I wanted to ask about, that event, it’s been often described as the council of 12 or the council of elders, what would you call it? was it something like that? or was something different?

Robert Bare: You know, all I can tell you, it was the most humbling thing anybody could ever experience where you see yourself. I could not look at anything, but my review process itself, I could not look at who else was there. I couldn’t look at the higher power. I did look at one thing that was fidgeting by me. And I remember, I had a dog named scooter that, we were very close. She went everywhere with me. We did everything together. And she died in the year 2001, I felt something fidgeting towards, around me and I looked and that was her. She was off to my right. She was there and she couldn’t come to me, but I did not know that dogs or animals were in the afterlife 

Johnny Burke: it’s actually pretty common, 

Robert Bare: it was, oh, it was so good to see her. It was something positive in a way, but she couldn’t come to me, but she was so happy to see me. And I just kept seeing myself in different life circumstances, one had to do when I was working in Watts. it was right after the riots, in police work. Down in that area, it was almost like a war zone. the sound of gunfire was just almost everyday life, especially at night. you’d make a stop sometimes; they take you into the alleys of the projects. There’d be two or three stories high, and you’d be making a traffic stop. The next thing you know, you see three or four rifles pointing down at you. It’s very intimidating as a policeman. one day I was with another guy, and we were arresting somebody for DUI, for drunk driving. And I heard some gunfire go off. And I told my partner, I said, that’s really close. And so we started looking, and here, comes this guy running towards me with a rifle and I yelled for him to halt and he just kept going. And I was probably justified into doing more than what I did, but I didn’t do anything. He came up to me and he said that somebody had just robbed him. And I said, did you just fire that off? And he goes, yeah. As far as some warning shots, when I saw that part of my life review, I actually heard a voice say, “thanks for not shooting me”. It was incredible, 

Johnny Burke: Yeah, it sounds like it. This space, you said it looked like a giant auditorium. Did it look like a modern building? Did it look older? Did it look unearthly? 

Robert Bare: It did not look like a building. It was just like just souls everywhere. 

Johnny Burke: Right.

Robert Bare: and I can’t even explain them, I was fixated on my life review 

and 

Johnny Burke: Did they look human or not necessarily?

Robert Bare: I couldn’t tell from the vantage point that I was at I wished I had paid more attention, but if you’re in that predicament and maybe we all have to go through that, that’s something you can think of John, (laughs)

Johnny Burke: Yeah. Well, Hey, 

Robert Bare: if you can remember, 

Johnny Burke: I’ve been a good Catholic 

Robert Bare: you got the higher power there, it’s humbling. I mean, humbling 

Johnny Burke: what’s really important about this is that the more people hear about these types of experiences, the more they can at least accept the fact that, once we die, it’s not the end. 

Robert Bare: here’s my take on it, I talk about this when I talk at different groups where I’ve been. Or some of the other people that have been near-death experiences, there are no cameras, there’s no video. There’s nothing but our account. And whether you choose to believe me or not, that’s totally up to you for someone like me and some of the others like Dr. Kason for example, who put themselves out there, there’s always ridicule. There’s always doubt. But I feel compelled that this was one of the things I’m supposed to do. as part of coming back, I always often think I’m convinced Spiritual Awakenings International, and another thing, that I’m supposed to do, this is no different than whether you’re Marco Polo or Christopher Columbus, or even Mark Twain, where you go off on his adventure. You come back. That was before cameras, that was before cell phones, that was before videos. And you would have to account, let’s say, for example, Columbus or Marco polo to the queen and to the king and their minions or whatever, it’s up to them, whether they want to believe it or not. And it’s up to your audience, whether they want to believe it or not. I’m just telling you what I experienced. I am not looking forward to doing this again. am not just telling you. 

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard that because I’ve heard several people talk about the near-death experience and almost every single one of them will say the some of the feelings were incredible. Now the life review is a different stage of that. And what I wanted to ask is, during the life review, is that related to, or is it the same thing as life between lives or is it different?

Robert Bare: I just experienced my life from the time I was born, actually, even before it was born. I have to talk about this, when I was talking to my father, I said I remember the start of my life review seeing you and my mother buy a car. And it was like a Chevrolet, it was an old car, it was a black Chevrolet. And he goes, what did your mom have on? And I said, she had sort of like a plaid skirt. And he goes really? And I said, yeah, I said, you guys were both young. So he went through a box of pictures, and he came back and he showed a picture of him and my mother by a 38 Chevrolet. He goes, is this what you saw? I said, yes, that’s exactly what I saw. He goes. That was one of the best days of your mother’s life. And I said, what do you mean? She found out she was pregnant with you that very moment. And I asked her to marry me. I said, are you kidding me? He goes, no. And I said, I said, I’m a love child? And he goes, well, yeah, but we just didn’t tell anybody. My life review started at conception. 

Johnny Burke: a first, I’ve never heard that before either.

Robert Bare: I think you’re the first person I’ve told. I’ve told a lot of my friends and colleagues about it, but I never think about saying that, but it’s come up. And I’m probably the most pro-life person you’d ever want to know now, having a Jesuit upbringing and going to Jesuit schools and stuff. I mean, I have that too, but John, that’s what happened, and my father confirmed it with that picture. I had never seen that picture before in my life. It was one of the special ones that he had, and I’ve got it now. getting back to the life review. 

Johnny Burke: that’s a pretty amazing moment. And that was the beginning of your life review 

Robert Bare: Yes. 

Johnny Burke: at conception, 

Robert Bare: Yep. She was a couple of months pregnant, and I just remember seeing her and the plaid skirt stood out in my mind in the old car. And, guess even in the afterlife, you’re an old highway patrol, you always look at cars. So, I noticed that stood out in my mind and my father confirmed it. And, to see my mom happy and knowing it was because of me, touched me quite a bit. My dad and I had quite a talk about this. 

I had another situation where I had this one friend who was a hemophiliac. He lived next door to us, and he couldn’t play with us. You couldn’t play baseball with us or couldn’t do anything like that. but when it was raining and stuff, I’d go over to his house, and I would play board games with them. It was like, Monopoly and, checkers and stuff like that. And his mother would always make me a little glass of cherry Kool-Aid. And when I saw that part of my life review, I could actually taste the Kool-Aid. It was phenomenal. She made it with a certain amount of sugar. And I used to look forward to having that because she would make it for every time I was over there. And I heard something from out there, say “you were my best friend”. I told my father about this, and my father told me, do you think that was Paul? And I said, think so. He says, I forgot to tell you this, Paul’s father came by here about 10 years ago. Had told me that, Paul was down in Los Angeles and had a transfusion and died from AIDS in the eighties. And I thought that was him. 

Johnny Burke: another amazing moment. So during this experience, does the concept of oneness come up where all of us are connected seeing all the souls and everything and the whole experience?

Robert Bare: I think one can deduct that from it. 

Johnny Burke: but you have to be there. You can’t explain it to somebody,

Robert Bare: 

You gotta be there. And for me, I was not really liking what I saw. I had a lot of power over people there were a lot of good things too, but the things that I could have done better, or I could have done differently, they still come up in my mind all the time. I can’t do a thing about it. All I can do is I’ve apologized to several people. those that I can, that I feel comfortable, doing that with, but, since I’ve come back to life, which has been 4,450 days additional life. I’m so blessed. I try and make it a point to do only good and do wonderful things. And I can tell you it is a blessing, Michael Jackson, the rockstar passed away about the same time I did. And they took him to see a doctor. He was deceased about 45 minutes. They took him to see a doctor down in Los Angeles who was renowned for raising the dead. He couldn’t be revived, but I was, I had a doctor. that just wouldn’t let me die. And what would Michael Jackson have given for extra days of life? I bet you were given just about everything. I’ve been so blessed every day is a blessing. Every person I meet it’s a blessing. There’s good and bad in everything in life. But boy, I tell you, I look at life so much differently, and even the stuff that happens to you, reality, that old saying it’s small stuff. It is small stuff. 

Johnny Burke: that’s what I’ve been told. It has small stuff but the things that happen to you, do you get a sense that even the bad stuff that happens in your life during the experience that you had, you know, the near-death experience and the life review, did you get a sense of even some of the bad stuff actually made sense and happened for a reason? 

Robert Bare:  yes, It made sense. And it’s amazing how it’s all interwoven like you were talking about, some of the people, I feel really comfortable around I don’t know how to explain that, but, my whole belief system has changed and, I’m kind of wide open to a lot of things. Some of the things that have happened to me, John, they can’t figure it out. But my vision used to be like 20:90 or something like that. with my near-death experience, it’s been 20:10 since then I have my eyes tested. They can’t figure out why that happened. if I go to TSA, I set off everything. I set off microwaves. If I leave the store, sometimes I’ll set it off. I think it has something to do with your electronic field or in your body or whatever. I don’t know how to explain it. 

Johnny Burke: the energy or something. You had a similar experience where people that have these types of, experiences, their intuitive activity, and sometimes psychic, mediumistic skills are raised quite a bit. 

Robert Bare: and I chose not to develop it, but I have it, Dr. Kason will attest to that because, everything I’ve told her is materialized, it’s pretty common. 

Johnny Burke: Pretty cool too. the mediumship, the piece really is interesting I think a lot of this stuff really is connected. You’re working on a book at this time, aren’t you? I can already what some of the highlights are going to be but tell us a little bit more about it.

Robert Bare: I’m going to tell you how it starts. When I was in Arizona, I wanted to leave and go home. After I saw my children, I was in ICU for a long time and all these machines hooked up to me and stuff. It was a horrible, horrible experience. And I told the doctor, I wanted to go home, and he said, well, you need another surgery. And I said I don’t want to be here in Arizona. He says well, I have a colleague in Oregon that if I call, would you promise when you get off the plane, you’ll go there, and you will have it done?  And I said, yes. do you think I’ll make it there? And he goes, quite frankly, I don’t know. but if that’s what you want, we’ll arrange for it. So that’s what happened. Got off the plane. I ended up going into, a Catholic hospital in Eugene, Oregon, had my surgery. And I was in the recovery room, and it was like raining sideways. A wind was blowing I was in the recovery room. And I thought, well, that’s a good sign. And then I looked over and I saw an old nun sitting next to me and I asked her, am I alive? And she goes, oh yes, you’re alive. What are you doing here? And she says, I’m praying for you. And I said, well, I need those. And she goes, yeah, you do. And she sat there for a while and she said, I heard about you heard the guy that was dead for a long period of time. And then you died twice. And I said, yeah, I did. And I told her there were two different experiences. Each time I died, and she goes, I’ve done this my whole life, what I’m doing. And she said, do you remember everything? And I said I do. She says, would you feel free to talk to me about it? And I said, well, does it. have to be now? And she goes, no, no. 

Johnny Burke: That’s a reasonable question.

Robert Bare: So, you know how nuns are, they’re very pushy. 

Johnny Burke: Yes, they are. I went to Catholic school, so I know exactly what you’re talking about.

 

 

Robert Bare: so anyways, I kept looking wondering if I get my hand hit with a ruler, but she came back in and I told her everything, she’s one of the two persons I’ve told and that’s how I’m going to start my book: and my story will be, as I’m telling her what I experienced 

and I have to touch on the second experience that day because I was revived in the emergency room by the doctor. And then I flat-lined again for about 10 minutes. And when I flat-lined. Instead of going into the light. I was on top of the bed. I was watching them work on me. I actually looked at the monitor, the flat-line monitor. I remember seeing that and they were all scrambling around and, doing their best to get me alive again. suddenly, my attention was focused on another part of the hospital. It was the admissions part. And I don’t know why this came to my attention, but there were a couple of people going through my wallet. So, instead of watching them work on me and I was watching them go through my wallet and they were trying to find my insurance cards please sometimes carry two wallets. And I had my insurance cards in my police wallet. There was a special place in there and didn’t have it in my regular wallet where you have my driver’s license and, stuff like that. My police wallet had my badge and my ID and stuff like that. And a few extra little things that are personal. suddenly, I was trying to tell them where it was, and they couldn’t hear me. And I thought; I’m dead. They can’t hear me. And they’re talking. And suddenly, they opened the wallet and there’s my police ID and they go. This guy’s a retired policeman. I was telling the doctor in ICU about this, and he goes, wait a minute. I’m going to come back. So he went down to admissions. This was a few days later, came back with these two people and he says, you tell him what you told me. And I told them that I saw them going through my wallet and stuff. And they said that’s exactly what happened. That’s exactly what we said. And we were laughing about it, but John, I’m telling you near-death experiences are different for some people. I had a life review in one and the other one, I had the one where I’m hovering over the bed and I’m watching people do other things. So, if you have somebody get on your show that tells you about one, as opposed to the other. and my third one is even different than that. 

Johnny Burke: We might have to do a part two to cover that as well, you’re right though, I’ve heard of several ones, which, they’re usually a little bit different, but the things have in common are the white light and the amazing feeling and the unconditional love, but you’re right. They don’t all have a life review. 

Robert Bare: anyways, that’s what happened. the one thing I like about Spiritual Awakenings International, I’ve told people there was a time where if people talked like we talked, they would burn us at the stake.

Johnny Burke: not anymore, times are changing 

Robert Bare: Spiritual Awakenings is exactly what we’re talking about. Whether it’s a Kundalini, incident or for me a life review and near-death experience, or a mystical experience, they’re all different STEs and they’re all relevant 

Johnny Burke: they’re relevant. They’re all connected. 

Robert Bare: And people aren’t crazy. 

Johnny Burke: No, they’re not, 

Robert Bare: what I talk about, I can’t talk to my police friends about, I have to be very careful who I talk to. I use this as a forum and, I have a different network of friends like Dr. Kason and our friends from there. And you’re one of them, John, where you feel comfortable in talking about things. And if what I’m saying helps somebody out or helps them, understand one of the top 10 questions of all time is, which is, what happens to me when I die? At least I’m giving my perspective and if you get a chance, get on YouTube and watch George Harrison’s interview. All you got to watch is the first five minutes of it. That’s. what he’s questioning as he’s dying, where you have fame, fortune, everything you wanted. And he said I should have been worried about what was going to happen to me when I die. You start thinking about things like that. When I talk to your audience, or I’ve talked to several hospice groups, I can’t tell you how many venues I’ve talked to and the same thing with other people that have their necks out and come forward. You’re always going to have the people that won’t believe you. 

Johnny Burke: that’s not really our problem though. There is an analogy that I like to use. . Someone asked me about my show and what I’m trying to do and all that. And they said the same thing. not everyone’s going to believe you and I said, you know, what have you ever been on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles? I’m not that kid who’s a hawker standing outside of a clothing store trying to get people inside. I’m not looking for those people. I’m looking for the people that are already in the store; people that are already looking and I think there’s enough of them. And I think that Spiritual Awakenings International is going to help people kind of come together and learn about this. Cause it’s not for everybody. It’s not, 

Robert Bare: if they want to believe it, that’s fine. If they don’t, that’s their choice. That’s the way it is. So. 

Johnny Burke: Robert, thanks so much for joining us today. Really, really amazing stuff. I think a lot of people are going to enjoy this episode. how can our listeners find you online?

Robert Bare: if you go to www. spiritualawakeningsinternational.org, get on the website and please subscribe, it’s free, by the way, you can contact any one of us, even some of our affiliated groups, if you want to send John a message, for example, you can access his website for this podcast. It’s all up there. It’s free. He’s right. We’re trying to bring us all together

Johnny Burke: There you have it. 

Robert Bare: that’s why I’m here. 

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