Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is David Schwerin. He’s an author of three books, Conscious Globalism, Conscious Capitalism, and most recently Know Your Soul: Bring Your Joy To Life. Today, we’ll be talking about connecting with spirit, channeling and how his latest book was written with the help of his spirit guides. David, welcome to the show.
David Schwerin: Thank you very much pleasure to be here.
Johnny Burke: Conscious globalism, Conscious Capitalism to” Know Your Soul: Bring Your Joy To Life”. How did you get interested in the spiritual, esoteric ideas?
David Schwerin: Well, this actually started when I started my career, which is a number of decades. I was interested in finance and investments, which is what my career initially was. And I was also “interested in understanding ancient wisdom. So those two areas of interest, really consumed most of my time, up until maybe last 20 or 30 years when, I focused almost completely on the spiritual side of things.
Johnny Burke: So the journey did start several decades ago. when did you learn how to channel, how did that start?
David Schwerin: Well, I guess I should bring the story forward a little bit. after 20, 25 years in business, I was getting a little tired and bored and it had an event in my life that was life-changing to some degrees it pushed me towards finding answers to things that were confusing me. I didn’t know where to turn. And I ended up, going to a person who said they were a healer, who had an office across the street from my office. I didn’t really know what a healer was, but I thought I would take a chance and see if I could get some questions answered. My brother passed when he was 37 and it was very shocking, and I wanted some answers.
So I went to this healer not knowing what to expect, but, after some initial, sessions with this woman, she started to channel information. A wide variety of subjects I was skeptical at first. I really didn’t know what to make of it. but as time went on, I saw that the information I was getting was accurate and turned out to be very helpful.
So I continued on this path while I was finishing up my work career. After a year or two of working with this woman she channeled information saying it was time for me to sell my business. That was a bit of a shock. I hadn’t planned to do that, although I wasn’t happy with what I was doing, so I took a little time to make that adjustment, but I ended up what I did. I sold the business, not knowing what was ahead of me just waited to see what would happen.
And it wasn’t too long after that, that I was encouraged to write my first book, which was Conscious Capitalism. that also was a bit of a shock because I hadn’t planned to write a book and draw. I didn’t know what to write about, but things came to me. The book was published in 1998, about that time or maybe a little before then the woman I was working with was no longer going to continue with her practice. And she suggested that I go see someone that to learn about channeling.
Again, like most of my story, I didn’t really know what to make of that. I hadn’t thought about doing that, but her advice had been so good. The information I was getting had been so accurate that I decided all right, I’ll give it a shot and see what happens.
Johnny Burke: What kind of healer was this woman, and at what point did you start to actually think, “Hey, maybe this isn’t just all hokey and this might actually be real information?
David Schwerin: She was an energy healer. She was a Barbara Brennan healer. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Barbara printing, but she has a healing school. She had graduated from there. And she had opened her channel and was able to bring through information.
I can remember that added credibility to what I was receiving was that I had some physical problems I was able to get information about how to heal them, how to correct them. It wasn’t something that happened immediately but if I worked at what they said, it turned out to be very helpful. This was almost 30 years ago. I don’t remember all of them in detail, but there was a lot of good evidence that was provided to me that lent credibility to what I was hearing and learning.
Johnny Burke: That is important because when people hear accounts of channeling and connecting with spirit, spirit guides and other mystical experiences, they’re often very skeptical and they ask, “how do we know this is not just our imagination?” It seems like you had some validation very much in the way, a real medium can validate certain things that only that person, the sitter or would know.
David Schwerin: That’s correct. This continued for the next 30 years, getting more and more validation through various things I was asked to do or that, situations that came up. So it’s been very clear to me.
Johnny Burke: Tell us some more about the spirit guides. You’ve written three books so far, right? ” Know Your Soul: Bring Your, Joy To Life” was apparently inspired by your spirit guides. Can you tell us how that happened?
David Schwerin: The woman that I was working with to learn channeling has worked with Archangel Michael for a long time, and because I have worked with this woman for now 24 years. I’ve gotten to know her spirit guides pretty well- including Archangel Michael. That about eight years ago, maybe it was. Archangel Michael offered was offering a course, a channeled course, on deepening your connection to your soul. And that interested me and so I signed up for the course. it’s not really a course, but a program.
Johnny Burke: Who was offering this course?
David Schwerin: Archangel Michael, it was channeled through the woman I was working with, but it was Archangel Michael, who was teaching the course.
Johnny Burke: Wow. That’s very interesting, okay.
David Schwerin: He started offering this course and I decided I would take it. So for the last, seven or eight years, I’ve been doing that and, I think it started weekly, and then it moved to a monthly session and he would help us in various ways energetically connecting to our soul and give us various experiences, that would help open us up and make us more receptive.
And then about three or four years ago, he asked the woman, whose name is Diana and one is Chen- she’s my co-author , asked her and me to write a book about the soul after I had studied with him. So that was the impetus really was his encouragement to write a book about the soul. He wrote a foreword for the book, and he helped us with information to put in the book. So that’s how the book started and where a lot of the information, not all of it, but a lot of it came from.
Johnny Burke: Your experience with Archangel, Michael, which is a pretty heavy experience from what it sounds like, was it a clairaudient experience? What was the transmission like? What did it feel like? I know people are going to be asking :how did you know what was actually him?
David Schwerin: Okay. Well, he doesn’t have a voice, so he has to have somebody channel the information.
Johnny Burke: Okay.
David Schwerin: The way, you know something is happening. He’ll tell you, ” I’m going to increase the energy in your third chakra, or increase the energy and, make the connection to your soul much deeper.” and you can feel that increase in energy is dramatic. It’s not just a questionable thing. Often, when you receive energy from Michael, you can’t sleep that night. It’s so strong. It just continues, that’s the validation -now can I swear who’s sending the energy? No, I can’t, but I don’t really need to, I’ve done this long enough. I’ve had conversations with him- channel conversations, personal conversations. I’ve had some, things that I needed his help with, and he’s always willing to help and he’s become one of my guides. So, I have a healing session with them almost once a month. It’s as real for me, as it is talking to you.
Johnny Burke: Wow. Now, because of these experiences, before they started happening, did you consider yourself more of an intuitive person or not really, and has that changed if at all?
David Schwerin: I don’t consider myself psychic to any great degree. I don’t know what level my intuition is, to be honest with you, I have still have work to do to open up some of my psychic centers, unlike Diana, who is the woman who does the channeling, hers are wide open and she is very psychic.
Johnny Burke: Do you think that anyone that has the desire to open up said channels to connect with spirit, connect with spirit guides and ascended masters. do you think anyone can do that or do they need some kind of innate ability?
David Schwerin: We all have that ability. It’s something we have to develop and like any skill, you have to work on it., it doesn’t happen overnight., I’ve also been channeling, Hermes. Hermes is an ascended master and he’s one of my guides. I channel him. I do that almost every day.
Johnny Burke: I’ve had several people come on recently that claimed a channel Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda. What are your thoughts on that?
David Schwerin: You can channel anyone. I’ve channeled, aliens. I channeled my guides. I’ve channeled, ascended masters. Angels and archangels. So anything is possible.
Johnny Burke: So what’s the difference between channeling and being a sitter in a mediumship session? Have you done a mediumship session at all?
David Schwerin: I have.I haven’t done it for a while. Right after my brother passed, I went to a medium to connect with him. but since 1998, I have been having monthly sessions with my guides and higher self so I don’t feel like I need a medium anymore. I get whatever I want.
Johnny Burke: To those of us non-experiencers – myself included, is there a similarity between channeling and mediumship session or are the lines of distinction sometime sometimes blurred?
David Schwerin: There’s obviously there’s a connection, you’re bringing information in from spirit. People have different ways of connecting with spirit depending on what senses you have opened and what your psychic ability is, your you’re moving one direction or another. Neither is wrong or bad. It’s just we’re all different.
Johnny Burke: You’ve had quite a few spiritual experiences over the past 24 years. Can you tell us more about those?
David Schwerin: the question is where to start.
Johnny Burke: there’s no right or wrong way to do this. I think a lot of us like to hear the experiences, because there are those, in the intuitive community that believe a lot of these experiences are all connected.
David Schwerin: Well, the one thing that might stand out for some people is, I guess, 11, 12 years ago. In one of my sessions with my spirit guides, the very beginning of the session I was told, you’re going to have some experience that’s a little bit different. That is you’re going to go through a reincarnation in the same body, also called reincarnation in the same lifetime. I didn’t know what it was. It wasn’t expecting to hear that., but I have built up such confidence in what I’m getting that I said, all right, that’s my next step, I guess.
What that really is- we all come into a body, and we all have a purpose, a task that our soul would like us to accomplish in this lifetime. After you’ve fulfilled that task, the soul has a choice. Do you want to continue the incarnation, or do you want to start it over again? Do you want to bring the personality back and have another incarnation in a different venue? different focus? So in this case, my soul decided that, I should continue in this lifetime. The only thing is that my task would be somewhat different than it had been. I had completed what was being asked of me as far as tasks was concerned. So I completed some things I hadn’t completed everything. And so they thought the idea was I should stay around and complete these other projects.
It’s a fairly lengthy process that reincarnation, it can last for a year or more, maybe a few years. I don’t think it’s ever less than a year. We’re all energy. That’s all we are is energy. The physical body is energy, but it’s condensed so it looks like a solid and real, or physical. So the reincarnation is to take the energy body and reconfigure it. Your physical body doesn’t have to change. It’s your energy that is changed. And we all have what’s Michael calls a line of purpose. All of this is in my book in more detail, and I’ll be able to give you. The Know Your Soul book has a fairly lengthy description of this whole process.
Your energy system, which is sort of like the hanger on which you exist, like a clothes hanger has to be dissolved and a new one re re-established. This is the process that I went through and it’s lengthy, I got a, description of what was going to be happening with this process, every session they would say, oh, that next step is such and such, and here’s what will happen and here’s how it will all effect you.
Johnny Burke: With this experience, you’re saying you had reincarnation in the same body, so it’s not like you had a near-death experience and you went into what Dr. Michael Newton used to call a life in-between lives. This is while you were still alive, correct? All right. So it was a transformative process, but it wasn’t like it was done in one day. It just happened over a-
David Schwerin: A year and a half, two years.
Johnny Burke: All right. Now, speaking of reincarnation, do you have past life memories?
David Schwerin: I often asked my guides if I have a past life connection. X Y or Z, because these are people in my life that I’m curious about, want to know whether I have some past connection or whether it’s a new thing and, whether there’s any karma between me and this other person that needs to be worked out. So I asked my guides often who w whether X, Y, or Z, and I have had a past life. With no hesitation, I’m given what I need to know. I’m told number one, whether we have any karmic stuff that we have to clean up and I’m told what our relationship has been.
So I guess there has been at least a couple of dozen people in my life where I have found that I have a past life connection, and it rings true. Once I know that I say, “oh, that’s why I’m doing this or that, or the other thing”, “this is why we’re reacting as we’re reacting. It’s only given to you if it’s going to help you. First of all, you have to ask. And second of all, if it’s something that is not then it won’t be told.
Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard that, and it does make sense. So just to clarify; you were only given information by your guides- about past lives in this case, if it’s going to help you, if you don’t need it, there’s no point in even bringing that up or bringing that forth, is that correct? Okay. Very interesting. Since you’ve had some experience and some exposure to this, did you have a glimpse of that in between, that life in between lives or that space in between incarnations where apparently there’s a council of elders, sometimes a life review, and you get to pick your parents and pick a body – did you see any of that or not necessarily?
David Schwerin: No, I really can’t say that I did It wasn’t necessary. I believe all that- I’ve had enough experience, to know that we have past lives and there is an in-between period, then you do pick your parents and all that stuff. I know that’s accurate, but I haven’t experienced it per se.
Johnny Burke: just by connecting with spirit and the channeling experiences. The whole cycle- that death- reincarnation- life in-between lives and the new life. That sounds to me like a no-brainer. I right?
David Schwerin: Absolutely.
Johnny Burke: Okay.
David Schwerin: If people are interested there’s a lot of good material out there.
Johnny Burke: There really is. I had an email today from a past guest speaker. It’s a couple, they have experience with a lot of the ascended masters. Apparently, they got a transmission from Nikola Tesla. These days the Tesla CEO is in the news so much, I thought that was interesting. I was tempted to think, I don’t really know. I can’t verify any of this, but the more and more I hear about it, I start to think, maybe that is real, but you can see why a lot of us are skeptical. Like, how do we really know that’s really Tesla?
David Schwerin: Believe me, I started out as skeptical as anyone. It’s only through actual experiences that you’ve gained the confidence to know that it’s real.
Johnny Burke: Good point. So the experiences, what are the practical things you’ve learned and what, even as non-experiencers, what can we glean from all this?
David Schwerin: Well, my journey or my soul’s journey really has been to work in China, and I’ve been guided every step of the way. My work is basically to introduce some ideas to China and my books were published in China. Whenever I go to China before I leave to go, I think, God, I don’t know how these things are all going to fit together and how am I going to meet him or her, or how I’m going to solve this problem, or what kind of problems will occur and everything goes off with clockwork.
You just know that there are beings out there who are making arrangements. Advanced people, so to speak who out there taking care of everything. I have been told that Archangel, Michael goes with me to just to make sure that everything goes satisfactory. So, that’s one of the practical aspects of this whole thing is that I’ve been guided to do something of meaning. For instance, I introduced through my book and my visits there- I’ve been there nine times now, socially responsible business concepts, now called ESG or corporate social responsibility. I had the opportunity to speak to leaders of the communist party about it, and I didn’t know what to expect.
And they embraced it. They put it in their bookstore, they plastered my book and face on the largest bus line in China. It was amazing. The book was a best seller in China. So this doesn’t happen by accident. Nothing happens by accident, but this is a concrete example of how things that seem incomprehensible get done, not by me, but by those who have a lot more power in overview.
Johnny Burke: Nothing happens by accident and there are no coincidences, right? Can we assume that all of us are guided? I’ve heard countless number of times that we all have spirit guides from day one and they’re supposedly guiding us, even though we can’t see them or feel them. You believe that?
David Schwerin: Oh, absolutely.
Johnny Burke: Yes.
David Schwerin: I didn’t believe it initially. It’s only through a lot of experiences and a lot of time. It became clear to me.
Johnny Burke: Your journey, I believe started with a visit to an energy healer. The reason I bring that up is that I’m hearing that as an entry point to the intuitive world, the unseen world, whatever you want to call it by many people, Reiki healers, different types of energy healers. We’ve interviewed quite a few on the show. Do you think that as a practical entry point for someone that wants to explore this further, as someone who’s listening right now, perhaps is saying, ” I want to hang out with Archangel Michael, and I want my spirit guides to guide me. I want to know that they are there.” Do you think that’s a good place to start?
David Schwerin: It’s certainly one good place. It was not the only one, but it’s certainly a good place.
Johnny Burke: Okay, so what are some other suggestions or entry points for those of us that want to explore this a little bit further?
David Schwerin: Well, the first thing I would say is, number one, you have to really want to do this. You have free will -we all have free will. The spirit world recognizes that and doesn’t interfere. If you don’t express the interest, the sincere interest in this sort of thing, you won’t get the connections that you might like.
So that’s the starting place then, how you actually, navigate this? It’s different for everybody. healers are one way you can go and there are different courses that will help open you up and, make the connections. Your guides are waiting for you. They’re anxious to see you. Because you have free will you have to make the first step. You have to say, this is something I really want- not superficially. But something that really feels strong about it and that you want to do it. And a way will be found. There’s a lot of different ways, probably as many ways as there are people.
Johnny Burke: Wow. That’s a lot of different ways then. With your experiences, it’s obviously changed how you’ve view spirituality. What about religion, your views prior to this, and afterwards, has that changed at all or not really?
David Schwerin: I’m sure it’s changed to some degree, but not dramatically. Although my parents were very religious, I was not drawn in that direction. I guess because I found that religions tend to separate people. They tend to focus on” my religion is better than your religion type of thing.” That turned me off. Spirituality is about connecting and about we’re all connected in all one. And then no one is better than anybody else. That was more in keeping with the way I felt and thought,
Johnny Burke: Yeah.
David Schwerin: That was just reinforced over the years with my experiences.
Johnny Burke: Your website is conscious thinking.com.
David Schwerin: Correct.
Johnny Burke: And that has a lot of your work
David Schwerin: It’s focused more on, my work in China and business. there is somewhat spirituality, but when you’re working in China, you have to be careful because the authorities are always looking over your shoulder. So I always focused on practical stuff and kept the spiritual aspects to my private life.
Johnny Burke: I can’t really blame you for that. So it seems like your world, your experience, your website for that matter is probably a good magnet for people that are firmly in the business world but want to explore spirituality. The breadth of your work spans quite a bit of ground from Conscious Globalism, Capitalism and now your latest book, Know Your Soul, Bring Your Joy To Life. So, what we can take away from this, that, a) we’re all connected- which I hear quite a bit, and b) our guides are there for all of us and they’re waiting.
David Schwerin: Yep. Absolutely true.
Johnny Burke: All right, David, thanks so much for joining us today. Your website will be in the notes and the notes and the transcript as well. Anything else you want to tell our listeners?
David Schwerin: I would just say the “know your soul, bring joy to your life “is something that anybody is interested in this area find at least interesting. If not even more than that. So it’s very short book. It’s got a lot of good information in it. People who gravitate towards it really like it. Columbia University is using it in one of its courses. So it’s gaining some reputation and, I would recommend .
Johnny Burke: Excellent. And that is obviously prominently featured on your website? Correct.
David Schwerin: On the website and you can get it at Amazon or any other bookstore.