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johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Jen Catlin. She is the interim director of the Education Committee for the Michael Newton Institute, a hypnotherapist co-founder of Soul Connection Hypnosis, and a near-death experiencer. Today we will talk about the expansion of consciousness and trends in Life, between lives sessions. Jen, welcome to the program

Jen Catlin: Thanks for having me.

johnny Burke: how did you find yourself, on this path? How did you get started?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, so earlier in my career I was a school psychologist and came from a very western psychology background. So I wasn’t always into this. I had some yoga training and so I had some practices with that and mindfulness. However, I didn’t know what hypnosis was at all. So I would fast forward maybe about, five, six years after that.

In my early thirties, I had a series of spiritually transformative experiences. STEs. Yes. And N D E is a type of STE, but I had a series of them happening in a very short amount of time. Things that people would start to think are weird coincidences, but they were things that went even beyond that that I just couldn’t explain and so much was happening. I started getting all kinds of downloads of information on how to work with emotional energy and things I didn’t know how to make sense of.

I had a really, really big STE at one point, all of this brought me to learning about what hypnosis is in a very strange way. I think many people, when we look back on our lives at the time, don’t know what’s happening, but we can look back and see key players or key instances that happened in life, and it’s like, oh, that’s what that was. And so I had some people walking into my life who, one person handed me a book and said, I think you need to read this. This is what’s happening. And it was a Brian Weiss book. And so that led me into exploring, I still didn’t really know, I wasn’t into this at all, but there was something deep in my core that said, you have to explore this. At the same time, I have a very logical analytical brain, very logical. And so my brain was fighting it the whole way. Like, this doesn’t make any sense. Why are you doing this?

johnny Burke: I know which book you’re talking about. I think it’s somewhat of a bible for a lot of people in that space. So, let’s go back to the NDE. Was that the first STE that you had or were there things that happened before that?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, it was not for a period of about two months prior to that, I was having many STEs, many very strong synchronicities. Like I said, downloads of this information just flooding in and like visions of inner child healing and things I didn’t even know about. And then I did go to hypnosis training soon after that. I felt like I was going crazy. Somebody led me into that book, decided to explore more about it.

I was in clinical hypnosis training. I had not had past life regression training yet. I didn’t know who Michael Newton was. I happened to train with somebody who was Newton Institute, life between lives facilitator and trainer. But I didn’t know that everybody else was there for that reason. And so in the training we were practicing, just working on general emotional things. And I had a big s t e where typically in hypnosis, your conscious mind is present. That’s just how it is while you’re experiencing. Something happened where my conscious mind was completely not present and I didn’t even have awareness. I was flipping back and forth, and so I was guided to another planet and everything that I experienced there felt extremely emotional and more real than this life experience. two weeks after that happened, I had an N D E.

johnny Burke: So that was during a session or was that outside the session?

Jen Catlin: It was during a session, but it was prior to past life regression training, so I didn’t have any training in that. I still didn’t know anything about Michael Newton didn’t know that was even possible, and because the experience was so emotional, and it felt so real and impactful my conscious mind when I came back and was emerging, because we were just working on confidence. Like I had nothing to do and the person facilitating did had no idea I was flipping back and forth. I didn’t know until after the fact. And I think had I been aware of that, my logical mind would’ve kicked in saying, what’s going on here? Like, you’re making this up. This isn’t even real.

johnny Burke: It

Jen Catlin: did. It was.

johnny Burke: It sounds like something out of like a sci-fi book, doesn’t it???

Jen Catlin: It felt like that.

johnny Burke: And it probably felt like that. So, before I forget, downloads; I’ve never experienced one. I have no idea what that’s like, what does it feel like, as compared to the NDE or anything that you can use as a comp in the spectrum of STEs?

Jen Catlin: I didn’t know what to call them when they were happening. I say the word download because I don’t know any other way to describe what was happening. But what was happening was I kept getting these very clear visions that would pop up and, in the visions, it felt like what was happening would take maybe hours’ worth of human time, but they were happening in human time within a blip of a second. It felt like hours’ worth of material. It would be very, very quick. some of them were happening while I was driving and it was just floods of information, but it was like, even though it felt like it was so much happening within a small amount of time, I was able to make sense of it.

I just knew what it was. There were things teaching me about emotional energy that emotions are energy and how to work with them and process them for inner healing. And I had things about my inner child just spontaneously emerging, and these visions were sequential, so they would pick up where they left off in moments where I was just, doing other things, like I said, like driving or something like that,

johnny Burke: That occurrence sounds very much like what people describe when they have an N D E and they otherwise trip into across the veil; things happen, it covers a lot of ground like you just described, but in like almost a nanosecond, but they’re still able to, understand it, right?

Jen Catlin: That’s exactly what it is. and I didn’t process this logically at the time. I wasn’t thinking about it consciously, but looking back, I can see that was my first glimpse into time- not being what we really experience in this human realm that is different.

johnny Burke Which we’ve all heard many, many times, with regard to time or being. Outside of time, which my mind can’t get around that, but

Jen Catlin: Yeah, my brain has a hard time processing

johnny Burke: Yeah. Whatever my brain can and can process is not the point, but, I certainly get yours. Let’s talk about the NDE; what were the most important parts of that and the things that you notice? afterwards?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, so my NDE was a little bit different than some who might see their body. I had awareness just prior to having it, that I lost consciousness and it actually happened while I was driving and I had enough time to sense what was happening to quickly pull over the car. I got my husband on the speed dial.

My body? Half of it was paralyzed and I was slurring, so I thought I was having a stroke. Later found out I wasn’t. They don’t know what happened. I was having cardiac issues at the time from Lyme disease. I had been bitten by a tick, and so I got pulled over. I felt I was losing consciousness. And I remember thinking, because at this time I still questioned, I didn’t know if anything more existed beyond us.

And I remember just having the intention, I felt very fearful, and I said,

“if anything exists, anything out there, I need help right now.” And I just completely lost consciousness at that point. And when I lost consciousness, I still had awareness. But it didn’t feel like a dream. It felt very, like real time and I was in outer space, and I didn’t have a body, and it felt like my energy was what I could see, because it was very visual, was myself surrounded by this structure of very, very tall gems. They were shiny and there were very vivid colors in each of them, all different colors. And some of the colors were not colors I’ve even seen before.

johnny Burke: Right. I’ve heard that before. I was about to say colors that don’t exist here. I remember one of our speakers a while back was saying,” well, colors I have never seen here on Earth. That’s not normal”. I thought, yeah, no, it’s not pretty cool, but definitely not

Jen Catlin: Normal. Right. And I wasn’t thinking that at the time it felt like, this is it. And so I was in the structure, and it was open at the top open to just space around it. There was like a voice. I don’t necessarily feel like I heard it in my ears, but it was an inner hearing that told me very firmly, I could sense that I had free will to leave that structure. What I felt was happening was that I could feel energy coming off of those gems and it felt like there was a presence of others around that supporting that. And it was sustaining my life, my own energy.

I had free will, I could feel like I could leave if I wanted to. But I also felt like if I do, I’m not coming back. And there was a very firm, again, inner hearing of a voice that said, ‘stay here. Do not leave’. I could feel that very firmly. And so I stayed and that was it. The next thing I noticed, I just kept receiving this energy. The next thing I was aware of was being pulled out of the car by EMTs when I regained consciousness.

johnny Burke: The voice or whatever the communication it sounds like it was telepathic, was telling you to stay and not go to where, what a lot of people describe as home, right? in other words, don’t go to the Emerald Castle just yet,

Jen Catlin: Correct. And you know the STE that I had two weeks prior to that was extremely impactful because that was another planet. There were other beings that felt like family in the sense that I can’t even describe, and the energy of unconditional love was so intense. Like nothing I’ve ever felt here before. And I have a very loving family, so it just doesn’t exist here. I would never have thought I could make something up like that in my wildest dreams, and it felt so emotional and so, that’s something that I later attempted to reconnect with and what I got through hypnosis was this imagery and feeling of myself being placed on a boulder with this strap around my solar plexus, a huge boulder, and said, you’re not going anywhere. You’re not grounded enough right now. Because at that time I just kept wanting to be there, connect with that, because it was such an amazing feeling.

When people go through STEs and NDEs, there’s an integration process that needs to happen. There’s a lot of aftereffects that people experience and I was going through it, but I didn’t know that at the time. so I can see why at the time I wasn’t grounded. I needed to integrate and to be here and to find my purpose and be in this life. So I think all of that, might partly be why as well? I don’t know that I didn’t go out more, but I also felt like if I did, it was almost like I was so far gone. I just sensed I wasn’t coming back.

johnny Burke: You could have stayed, meaning you could have not come back. You had free will

Jen Catlin: Correct,

johnny Burke: to do that. Okay.

Jen Catlin: Yes, I had, I definitely had free will to leave. I could feel that deeply, like ‘you can go. But we’re recommending you don’t, that’s what I felt. It’s just not time to do this.

johnny Burke: And it’s probably something you’ve heard many, many times in your work, at the Michael Newton Institute, which we’ll talk about in a moment. What you just said about aftereffects, many report things like elevated psychic abilities. Some even report that they have mediumistic abilities. And one person I spoke with said’ I didn’t want this.’ This was a byproduct of his NDE. you basically experienced something similar to that?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, I wouldn’t say that I came back with psychic abilities necessarily. What I do feel shifted for me was my fear of death was gone, and I was somebody who used to be terribly afraid of death and dying.

That disappeared. and that’s a very common one as well. People do come back. I’ve heard all kinds of stories of people coming back with different abilities that they didn’t have before. I’ve always been somebody who’s been emotionally sensitive and in tune with how other people are feeling. But what I felt changed, and it was a period of time after that, was an enhanced ability to just feel all the other stuff. And it was more on an emotional level. What shifted was just this ability almost in talking to somebody, like if somebody could talk to me about things they struggle with in their life. Just this innate- very quickly I know what’s going on like deep down at the root, like it’s not about what’s up here. And so I can incorporate that stuff into my practice with people and I don’t know, there’s just the ability to like to see past what the surface level stuff is.

johnny Burke: Your empathic abilities got a bit of a boost.

Jen Catlin: Yes.

johnny Burke Yeah, that’s pretty much in line with what I’ve heard before.

Let’s talk about your work at the Michael Newton Institute. How did you wind up there and more importantly, what did you learn there that you might not have learned anywhere else?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, so I ended up there because I happened to be originally in a training with an instructor who was Newton Institute certified. And again, everybody else I found out that was, there was like talking about Michael Newton after a while, and I hadn’t read any of those books. I hadn’t heard of Michael Newton, but when I had the STE in that class, prior to past life regression, some of the messages I received from those beings were, ‘you have to keep going, there’s more. ‘And I felt this just deep sense of purpose in that.

When I eventually read Michael Newton’s books and learned about his research and that what I experienced was actually a possible thing, was just felt drawn to like, ‘oh my gosh, you have to explore this. ‘I don’t want to give the impression that I was okay with it immediately because when I had these experiences, it took me years to integrate and to be okay with it. And even to be at the point now where I can talk about it, I’m very aware that much of what I experienced in Western psychology would be considered pathological or something like that.

So I did not want to talk about it for a long time, and I’ve since found out people who’ve had NDEs have been labeled. I’ve given talks to therapists about people who have had NDEs and STEs who are afraid to tell their therapists what they’ve experienced because they’re well aware that it sounds abnormal.

johnny Burke: The average time between the event- and this is coming from someone from IANDS, he was active in that organization for a while.

Jen Catlin: Yeah.

johnny Burke: The average time between the event and when these people actually disclose it is about 10 years. We’ve had a bunch of people from IANDS and some of the other, nonprofits, they all say the same thing. I don’t want to tell my wife, I don’t want to tell my girlfriend or, I can’t mention this at work. They’ll think I’m ready for the looney bin or something.

Jen Catlin: Absolutely, and it’s happened. I’ve seen people medicated. Again, it’s part of the integration process and I think it is important to get this out there, and I love that you’re getting this kind of information out there because so many people, even if they’re not having near death experiences, are having other types of spiritually transformative experiences. I’m seeing it every day in my practice

johnny Burke: Yes, andpeople

Jen Catlin: are afraid to talk about it.

johnny Burke: They are- the stigma and the fear of talking about it is somewhat less than it was maybe like five years ago. And this space, the life between lives space, once I found out about it and I started asking people about it that were on the show, they would say, “oh yeah, I’ve done this, I’ve done that. yeah, it’s just like this. And it’s like casting a movie. “What is amazing; every single person that I’ve talked to that had the experience of that space- in between incarnations, the details might vary a little bit, but the mechanics are almost identical. And so, speaking of which, now I know that you’ve seen this in your sessions; in your experience, did you actually get to experience this space or was it just like the NDE and the other STEs?

Jen Catlin: The space of, you mean life between lives?

johnny Burke: Yeah.

Jen Catlin: I didn’t have a life review ,I’ve experienced those things in a life between lives hypnosis session, but in my NDE and STE the big one two weeks prior to the N D E, I would say yes, but that’s more in Michael Newton’s second book, Destiny Of Souls. So like other incarnations and things I didn’t feel possible. What I did experience in that same S T E prior to going to that other place was myself as a light being in outer space with two others, and then there was a teacher. The three of us were sitting there. We were just like energy, balls of energy sitting there with a teacher, and it was like I was watching myself and that felt more like a memory, like ‘yep, like I remember this happened’ versus real time where on the planet it was definitely real time. What was happening was we were in human school. And so the teacher was lighting up a diagram of what it’s like to be human, like a diagram of the body and energy centers in the body. And so I would that was definitely sort of more the life between live space
along with the incarnation and other planets. I’m sure we’ll talk about more of that another time, but those things are all things that are experienced in life between lives.

johnny Burke: It sounds like you’ve experienced it multiple times. Speaking of Michael Newton’s books, many of us have read Journey of Souls and then Destiny of Souls, Right.?

Jen Catlin: Yes. Yeah.

johnny Burke: There’s so many cases, there’s thousands that, as I described before, the details might vary, but the mechanics are almost always the same.

So I think it’s fair to assume that you have experienced it. That’s what it sounds like to me.

Jen Catlin: Sure, yes. I’ve experienced aspects of it, even though it wasn’t like life review or something. Yes, it was definitely the life between life space that was experienced. And I can say that now, looking back at the time again, I didn’t know, I didn’t know what that was.

johnny Burke: I had someone on recently, who does this kind of work and she says with every past life regression, she always takes them to the time when they last died. And there’s always a life review, and I’ve never heard that. I never knew a therapist always went to the life review, with their patients in each session. Is that unusual or not necessarily?

Jen Catlin: What I’m finding, it’s not unusual in the work I do, all of my sessions, I take them to life review from a past life regression. I feel like that it’s so important because for me, if somebody’s experiencing a past life regression or life between life session, for me it’s not just about curious exploration; like we’re here in this lifetime to experience and to learn and grow.

And so I want to help people know what it is about that lifetime or about whatever you’re getting that is relevant and important for you in this life, and how can that help you? So the life review process can be part of that because there are things we can explore around what’s relevant from that time to today. But what I do find and what I’ve heard from people that I’ve seen who’ve had other past life regressions is what’s out there in general? that it’s not as common, and that was surprising for me. I didn’t know that a lot of practitioners don’t explore life review. They just stop at the death scene,

johnny Burke: But they almost always go at least back to the death scene and in some cases, especially if you’re going to do more sessions, they might revisit several different deaths in several different lives in the past.

Jen Catlin: It depends on the session. In the Newton Institute oftentimes when we’re doing a like a single past life progression, we will explore much more fully, because the methodology Michael Newton developed is a really comprehensive. It includes going back through childhood into the womb and doing a womb regression. There can be so much there in utero. That’s like our first experience of coming into this life, and you have the consciousness of the soul, the consciousness of the human. Mom’s consciousness and they all can overlap.

And so there’s a lot to explore there. But then it also includes going to the past, another lifetime that is important to explore today, and then doing the life review.

So if you include all of those elements, that in itself is oftentimes two and a half hours, sometimes longer. It can be up to three. So, I think it just depends on the methodology. Everybody’s taught in a different methodology. There’s different ways to explore.

johnny Burke: One thing I did want to bring up, because obviously you’ve had several different STEs, have you had any experience with spirit guides or beings of light. things of that nature.

Jen Catlin: Sure. When I initially had the STE where I found myself as a light being, it didn’t feel like a guide. There was like a more experienced energy being with us that was teaching us. It felt more like a teacher than a guide. Other than that, I’ve had guides show up in life between life sessions that I’ve had. I did not have any guide presence in the other STEs that I had.

johnny Burke: You saw your guides show up in one of your personal sessions, or was that with one of your clients?

Jen Catlin: Well, with clients, yes, they do often show up. Not always, but I think it also depends on where a person is at and what they’re needing in this life. But in my L B L session, I did have a guide show up.

johnny Burke: So, are you communicating with the guide or is the sitter or your client actuall, communicating with the guide or is it both?

Jen Catlin: The client, My preference is, as long as it is possible and to do as much as you possibly can to get the client to communicate directly with their guides. So sometimes I’m telling the client like, ask your guide this, but I’m not asking them directly.

johnny Burke: Okay because I’ve heard that that kind of contact can be a bit draining. as in like mediumship readings,

Jen Catlin: Even when we’re facilitating any session where we’re expanding, accessing expanded conscious beyond this body and mind. I’ve sat in a seven-hour session before. That was the longest life between lives- I don’t do that anymore. They’re not that long anymore. Actually. They’re going a lot faster now, but I have sat there facilitating a seven-hour session before, and when I’m in space, it feels like I’m energized. But afterward, it used to feel like I ran a marathon. It would need, I mean, it can take a lot of energy because. As a facilitator, we’re opening up into that space too, to stay with our client.

And sometimes there are mediumship things that will drop in and come in.

I’ve had that happen. I’ve had pings of things like, say this, say this, and the clients tell me right after, like, “oh my gosh, whatever you just said, like had already just shown up and, or I already just did that.” Or they’re getting messages and it’s like we’re right there in that space. So it can be draining at times.

johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a bit. Let’s talk about the trends in life between life sessions, how do you think this might have an impact on expansion of consciousness, which a lot of us are hearing about these days, Ascension, that type of thing. Is it related?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, so something’s been happening. Like you said, the stigma in the past five years is less than it used to be. I’m noticing something is happening probably in about the past five years or so, where there’s just been a shift in the amount of people that I’m noticing are having STEs. And partly that could be because maybe my energy has shifted too, but other people are noticing it as well. I don’t know how else to explain it other than- and this is only my personal belief. I don’t know if this is true or not, but I feel like human consciousness is expanding. The veil is thinning. I’m having people reach out frequently about how even three weeks prior, they would’ve never believed any of this, but suddenly there’s all these experiences happening and maybe they’re experiencing mediumship with verified evidence or they’re having other types of STEs.

And what we’re noticing in life between live sessions are that they have also shifted. We developed a new curriculum last year in the Newton Institute

to allow for more flexibility because we’re noticing there’s not such a linear process that’s happening in sessions that used to happen when Michael Newton was doing research back in the sixties. People are connecting much more quickly, and so they’re not needing oftentimes 45 minutes to an hour just to go through the process to get there and to open. People are accessing other realms. There’s a lot of that coming through, and information that I think people are drawing forward to continue to help their development as a human, but also consciousness in general.

Because as each person sort of wakes up, even those of us that have a very logical mind, if there’s a part of us that’s like, huh, there’s something about this. Information that feels resonant in some way that I want to explore more. To me, that is the soul calling, like, ‘yes, I exist! There’s more than just this body in mind.

And as each of us experiences that and explores that, I think we’re all connected to each other’s energy shifts. And just by being here around others, it facilitates their energy shifting.

johnny Burke: Every time we have these types of discussions, certain things come up; expansion of consciousness, ascension, people waking up, medium explosions, there’s psychics everywhere. some may not be that well trained, but do you think that’s all connected as well? It’s all part of what’s going on?

Jen Catlin: I do. I think anything that transcends the experience of just the human body and human brain and opens us into that space that it’s all connected, but the pathways in the mediums for which people might connect to that are going to vary person to person. And not everybody’s going to get there either. And that’s okay. Like we’re all here to experience something and our own truths and we need all kinds of people. I mean, you’re here doing this podcast, which is not necessarily something I would be good at. So I think we’re all contributing in our own ways.

johnny Burke: I just think this work that you’re doing, the life between lives is really, really critically important because these types of sessions and the discovery is going to teach all of us a lot more about why we’re here, what we’re doing here, and what our purpose is and what really happens when we die, as opposed to, going to church and listening to a pastor, basically preach what he’s taught. I know they’re trying to do the right thing, and for many people that’s okay. But I think there’s a lot more of us these days that think, no, there’s more to it than that- there has to be.

Jen Catlin: Absolutely. I was raised religion and in Christianity, and I think at the foundation what I used to sense as a kid, I remember looking around the room and just wondering what is happening. Not everything is making sense and I very clearly remember wondering about that and having those deeper questions. And I remember asking deeper questions and I was never quite fulfilled in the responses I got, didn’t make sense to me. But I think it’s a foundation of all religions. The foundation is there. There’s truth in like a foundation of love and connection with others that there is more. It’s the details and how they’ve been interpreted over time that has shifted. But what I will say is I have a very different experience and perspective that I’ve been able to gain over the years because I have worked with so many people. I’ve been seeing scientists who are very much into science and wanting verified evidence, but they’re noticing like, yes, there’s something more.

I’ve worked with pastors who maybe don’t feel comfortable disclosing right now that there’s more, but they found Michael Newton’s books and it’s opening them up and they’re like, yep, this is what makes sense.

I sat in a church before, right here in North Carolina, and a minister got up in front of the church and apologized to the entire congregation. I didn’t know this was going to happen. This was before I was even into any of this, who said that he used to tell people reincarnation and whatever it is we’re talking about is not possible. Like that’s not what happens. And yet he ended up getting on his own path and doing tons of research and found that there were references to reincarnation originally in the Bible that were removed.

johnny Burke: Oh yeah, that was during the fifth or sixth century, I think.
But if you look back to the research of Ian Stevenson, he was the psychology chair, at the University of Virginia. He discovered he could find children with past life memories that he can actually verify. And I think in over a thousand cases, they were actually able to track down the family and the kid, the child knew so much about the family, including secrets that in many, many cases, the family actually accepted the child as a reincarnation of their loved one who had passed. And

Jen Catlin: Yes.

johnny Burke: In the sixties and seventies and beyond. So,

Jen Catlin: The research that University of Virginia has in their division of perceptual studies is really incredible, and I have met some of those researchers at conferences I’ve attended to. I’ve gone to the IANDS conference and they’re researchers. They’re very objective. That’s very obvious. It’s great because that logical part of my brain also loves to see the evidence and that has helped me over the years. I don’t question anymore like I used to, but I get that people do.

johnny Burke: For what it’s worth, it wasn’t that long ago that I was one of those people. I always knew there was something more, we would go to church. I was brought up Catholic, like a lot of people in the Northeast and I just thought they never talked about reincarnation, and something just seemed off. But that’s probably a question for another day. I think most of in this space have seen enough evidence and testimony where we kind of know it’s real.

Jen Catlin: I’ve had the benefit of working with several people who’ve had near-death experiences in the life between live space. And what I’ve been told is in some of these people, it might have been 30 years after their N D E, when they came upon Michael Newton’s books and like just searching for anything that could explain the experience they had and what I’ve heard over and over again is when they came upon this research and this sort of map of the spirit world the feeling was just excitement because this was the first thing they found that described much of their experience that they had. The research tends to coincide with what people have experienced as well.

johnny Burke: Yep. Very consistent. awesome. Great, great stuff. Anything else we should know?

Jen Catlin: Just knowing, especially for people who are interested in exploring that space with a facilitator, going into the life between life space. If you’ve read Michael Newton’s books, the biggest thing that’s important to know is one, preparation rather than just going into it, we have these human, logical, conscious minds, and so I cannot over emphasize how important preparation going into it is into understanding what hypnosis really feels like.

The books make it sound like a person is completely unconscious and somewhere else, and that’s not how it is. And so just understanding that it’s not always visual, but also knowing that the experience that you have may differ from what you’ve read. And that’s because consciousness is expanding.

Like I said, things are not as linear as they were, and regardless, there is something meaningful that is going to come up for you. And so being able to assess how that’s significant for you and your human life now and your growth as a soul is what is most important.

johnny Burke: Okay. I don’t think I could possibly ever top that. So we’re going to stop here. Jen, thanks so much for joining us today.

Jen Catlin: Sure. Thank you.

johnny Burke: How can our listeners find you online?

Jen Catlin: Yeah, so my website is www.jencatlin.com

#125 Toni Reilly: Reincarnation and Life Between Lives

June 10, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Life Between Lives, Reincarnation

#drtonireiily, #lifebetweenlives, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #reincarnation

Johnny Burke: Welcome closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Tony Reilly,(@tonireilly) She is a soul life coach, an author, and one of Australia’s most sought after past life regression specialists. Her soul life coaching program represents the next step in the evolution in past life regression, and her goal is to ultimately change the face of psychology. Toni, welcome to the program.

Toni Reilly: Morning, Johnny. Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: It is morning where you are, isn’t it? I keep forgetting that. I’m in Florida and you’re in Australia.

Toni Reilly: We

on the opposite. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: hence the Sunday night recording. Excellent. Okay, cool. So you’re a hypnotherapist and a coach. how did you segue into past lives and reincarnation?

Toni Reilly: my life was very ordinary and mainstream up until about my mid-thirties, and at that stage I became intrigued about intuition. My own intuition was the first time I realized that I had it or it was a thing for me. And in the process of trying to develop that, I started to meditate. And I didn’t know that normal people meditated. I thought monks meditated.

So in meditation I realized I had all of these clair senses and they worked and they were brilliant. The lady who was teaching me to meditate told me to read Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss. When I read that book, I read it in one go and thought to myself. This is what I’m here to do. It was a revelation; I hadn’t had anything to do with past lives before reading that book. From there it was a bit of a process to quickly get it happening and do something with it.

Johnny Burke: That book was or is a life changer, a game changer for many people, and his signature has been felt throughout that industry, and on this podcast, there’s been several people that were trained by Brian Weiss .And I read the book, and it was pretty incredible, to say the least. So that makes sense. What is a Soul Life coach?

Toni Reilly: A soul life coach– they’re more a therapist actually, it’s someone who’s trained to go deeper than the story that we tell as people because we, we usually want coaching because we need some help or we’ve got a problem. So what we do as a soul life coach is go beyond. The story and help that person understand themselves and why they feel the way that they do go to an emotional level, and if that’s really for this day stuff.

But if there are issues that can help boost people’s esteem or confidence, or help them relieve themselves of fear or a phobia, then we can delve into the past lives or even go beyond to help them discover their purpose So that’s really the difference. We, we consider the soul

Johnny Burke: I know that you also wrote a book called, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. But I think you just hinted about going beyond the past life. Would that be the life between lives space? and

Toni Reilly: And even beyond that

Johnny Burke: I just opened up a pandora’s Box.

Toni Reilly: You did. Even beyond that, the between, if I would just dumb it down, the between life space is where there’s information about either the past lives you’re leading or the current life that you’re leading. So it’s almost like a bit of a space where humans or people can go and interact and get some relief messages, some guidance for themselves. Whereas there’s even beyond that where it’s really, dare I say nothing. The most beautiful nothing where we’re all one. And this is this place where people are always talking about, ‘oh, we’re all one.’ But it’s there. You can feel it and can visit there. They don’t let you stay there long. It’ll usually be you’ve got to go back now. So, yeah, different spaces to go and get answers from.

Johnny Burke: What I’ve been told by many practitioners like yourself is that it is a place where soul contracts take place. Soul family members are discovered, oh. And one of my favorites, the life review, which really almost makes my brain hurt to think about these things, but, it almost seems too good to be true. Is that me or have you heard that before?

Toni Reilly: I think it does seem too good to be true. It’s almost something that you must experience to appreciate. That it’s true. It feels true when you do this, when you go there, when you visit there. It can be a hard concept to fathom, but all of the things, thinking for a start is a human thing. It only happens here in this body. So once we are relieved of the body and we’re in soul energy, or we’re visiting because we’re in between lives or beyond, then we don’t have. The brain or the thoughts to deal with. We don’t have hierarchy; we don’t have time. Nothing of our human existence, and most of all, we don’t have emotion.
That’s why it’s just this amazing feeling there. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: That’s incredible. Now in this space, lots of questions that usually come up when people start talking about past life regression and then the in between life space and then obviously the soul contracts, soul family members as I mentioned before. In these sessions, is it true that we actually choose what period we’re going to reincarnate into a certain period?

Toni Reilly: I honestly can’t say that for sure because the work that I do is for people to feel better now in this life yes, we go back to past lives to help them understand now as well. But when we go in between, they’re usually, they’re asking about now. So the answers that they get in my sessions are for now.
So whether they chose to come into this time zone, or there’s another era,

I should say, I’m not sure because always I’m dealing with this life or predominantly everything’s leading back to what’s going on now and why.

Johnny Burke: the whole purpose of regression therapy, as described in Many Lives, Many Masters was there was a female patient that had some kind of an issue. And in this case, the practitioner was just trying to find the cause, and the origin of the problem. Correct?

Toni Reilly: Yes, she had many symptoms.

Johnny Burke: She had many symptoms, but what he did not count on being taken back to a life that took place what was it, 3000 years ago? That’s how he discovered it.

Toni Reilly: What does happen, Johnny though, in regression is they don’t go linear. Let’s say someone’s dealing with let’s say, anxiety for just pulling something out of the air. They might go back to a caveman time, and then if they go to another life, it might be in the sixties. So there’s no, there’s no linear time when they’re recalling them. They go to where there’s something that’s happened that makes sense of what’s going on now. It’s very cool.

Johnny Burke: Almost sounds like a science fiction movie. And also speaking of movies, I’ve heard many, many times, again, from practitioners and experiencers, that planning of the next incarnation amongst several soul family members, I imagine it’s like casting a play or a movie.

Toni Reilly: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Is that your experience or that of your clients?

Toni Reilly: Yes, It, is like casting a film, it really is. And also something I’ve discovered from all 20 years of working with this is everything is destined. Everything is planned. Every little detail, I think people get annoyed about it and they’re like, ‘oh, you know, its allowing, side stepping and not taking responsibility. ‘But actually what it does is it helps you become at ease with everything that happens and be at more at peace especially when obviously we’re really only concerned when terrible things happen or things that make us feel bad, but you get into this more philosophical mindset of, oh, well, it was meant to be. So why? And start looking for why instead of feeling so victimized by our lives and our circumstances. It’s extraordinary. And I think this is something also that people discover when they do regression or go beyond that, life is planned, and we are to be with certain people or certain souls

Johnny Burke: Everything happens for a reason.

Toni Reilly: It does happen for a reason. Yeah, and often it’s not until hindsight that people are able to fathom, ‘ oh, I get why that happened. ‘And then of course in the moment it’s also not beneficial to tell someone that in the moment when they’re going through something because they have to reach that understanding themselves. Otherwise you’re poking a bee if you like. But yeah, it all turns out,

Johnny Burke: That means that they are on their path and to interrupt them on their path, you’re not really doing the good that you think that you might be
doing.

Toni Reilly: That’s right, yes.

Johnny Burke I think it’s amazing that no matter who I talk to, who has real credible experience in this space, in the L B L space , the accounts, the details are a little bit different, but the, the structure, the hierarchy, the way how things happen is almost identical. It’s not that I’m in a rush to get there, but I don’t know. It seems pretty, seems like it’s a lot of fun to me,

Toni Reilly: Oh, Johnny, that means if you have not done an L B L yourself, we must do one.

Johnny Burke: That might be a discussion for another day, but yeah, I get that. You’re not the first person to bring that up. When I do the interviews, someone will say, a guest speaker will say, ‘so, Johnny, when are you going to do this?’ and I invariably will respond. ‘Oh, I’m going to get around to it at some point.’

I don’t want to make this about me. It’s about the speaker. But that’s a fair point. Your book, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. Tell us a little bit about that. I would imagine this work had a lot to do with inspiring that work.

Toni Reilly: It did. It did because as I started to do this work, it was a culmination. At the same time, I became so aware of my own stuff and the two of these things together, working with people and also becoming really aware, self-aware of myself, made me realize that absolutely everything in life was quite simple, really. And that one person’s life is easy to outline as to why, why we have these parents? Why did we go to that school? Why do we go to 20 schools? just every little detail has a purpose.

This is what I tried to do when I wrote The Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here, was to just outline the simplicities in life that are fundamental to an individual’s life and how it plays out. So that was what I tried to portray because also I felt that people have this idea that the purpose of life is something different to what it is. It’s very simple, really. The purpose of life is every moment of every day. That’s what I tried to portray in that book.

I did some things, I met somebody towards the end of my marriage. People didn’t talk about these things that happen. But when you work in therapy with people, it happens all the time. And we are quiet about relationships and relating to people, which is a massive part of the purpose of life and judging it from a moral perspective, but really it doesn’t matter because all it does is make people hide what they’re doing.

It’s still all going on because we’re here having these experiences and we’re meant to encounter this person or that person. So I tried to be very honest with what I had done and what I had experienced. I’ll umbrella it with love at first sight, which is this irresistible pull when you come across somebody in your park. But this happens not just for love, it happens for all sorts of things.
So the book was generally about I’m going to call myself an everyday life and how it transpires. Of course, everyone doesn’t get into past lives, but still,

Johnny Burke: A simple answer to what is the purpose of life and why we’re here. It’s pretty much just to learn because as you just mentioned before, everything has a purpose. Every event. And I believe it’s for all of us to learn, not just me, the soul group, even all the bad stuff.

Toni Reilly: I feel like when I first started, it was very we’re here to learn what are we learning this time? But what I also discovered was it was less about learning in terms of we’re paying back, or we didn’t learn it last time. We’re going to learn it next time. I found that that’s not really how it works and that it was easier to call it, we’re here for an experience. I think people also get wound up in, ‘have I learned what I was supposed to? ‘We all do the things mapped out, and we’re going to have our experiences and we will learn. Everybody learns through life. We grow, we evolve. It’s a cycle of life. But I feel like when we are learning, people get this idea that they could fail. But we can’t fail. We’re all going to go through our process just as it was planned or pre-planned, pre outlined, and it will turn out that we experience exactly what we were meant to.

Johnny Burke: By saying that everything is planned, there are several people, well, probably millions, that really have a problem with that, especially when bad things happen. Right. But you’re saying. And not just you, by the way, that bad things happen- some of them are actually planned, even like the horrible things because we are apparently supposed to learn from them. Right? Okay.
: So self-awareness, in your work is very important. I believe your quote says “self-awareness is the ultimate activism.”

Toni Reilly: Yes. yes. Self-awareness, I feelis the way that we can change the world because if we can be aware of ourselves and what we’re doing and what affects us, we then become naturally tolerant of other people who maybe aren’t aware of what they’re doing or why. So somehow, and you know, the result of self-awareness really is calmness.? A calmness. It’s peace, I suppose. But this calmness that, Where you don’t feel like you need to get all involved in, in what’s going on with other people or even within the world because if you take care of yourself and what you are putting out there, it ripple effects out and good keeps happening or people are growing from their experiences and not getting so involved in outwardly not looking at themselves, which is what I feel activism is. It’s like, whoa, you probably need to sort your own stuff out first, before dictating to other people what’s right or wrong. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Do you feel that knowing what you know now that everything is planned for purpose for us to learn evolve. Is it a waste of time and energy to judge anyone where it’s actually easier to make the choice that they are exactly where they need to be, like everybody, and it’s a waste of time for me to judge them?. So I’m not going to interfere. I’m just going to say they are where they are, whether I like them or not, whether they irritate me or not. Do you agree?

Toni Reilly: Yes, yes, I do agree, but I think we are still people here and judgment is also part of the human experience, and we do need it to some extent, to survive as a person because we need to be discerning. But I think judging people, it’s probably no matter how self-aware you get, I think there’s always still going to be at least a little bit of judgment because people are so different to ourselves and it, it can be confronting. I guess what would happen is, It’s for less time. And you always come back to, ‘well, they’re doing their thing and they are so don’t get yourself all worked up about it.

Johnny Burke: Right. Discernment is absolutely necessary. You’re right, right. But when I say judging someone in a negative way without knowing anything about this person, to me that’s just a waste of energy really.

Toni Reilly: I feel like that is a waste of energy. I do think that is the piece that you, come to where why would you Yeah. And I guess that’s kind of nasty judgment, isn’t it? It happens quite a bit, but certainly once the awareness kicks in Yeah. that all just filters away.

Johnny Burke: That reminds me of something else-you also talk about, Gen Z as being different.

Toni Reilly: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Tell us what that means for us and because that’s relevant to this time period we in right now.

Toni Reilly: Yes, it is. So this is also part of the work that I did, is I developed a part of the self-awareness work is I developed a platform based on numerology. I call it life map. Because of that, what I know is a certain energy. The energy of the numbers from our birthdate. Of course it goes deeper, but based on just the birthdate, it determines what our character and our personality is going to be, and it determines the parts of ourselves that we cannot change.

We could try, but we cannot change who we are inherently at the core. what happens with the Gen Z is it starts in I, I think the mid-nineties, but actually when it really changes is in 2000 because from the year 2000, every single individual who was born gets two energy in their character, in their personality, and they don’t all have a one or a nine, which we all had because we were born in 19, whatever. So nine energy is thinking, so ideas, one energy is practical, it’s doing, whereas two energy is the heart and the feeling and the intuition. So what happens when you get these kids, or they’re 23 now actually, but we got these kids starting to be born. They all have that two. The energy of that two, within their psyche inherently.

So what that does is it comes with natural empathy and something they can’t avoid. some of them didn’t even get one or nine or the other practical or thinking energy. So what it means is they default to intuition, not logic. And because of that, they are more easily able to read what’s going on. Probably even if they’re in a bad situation, they’re most likely be able to come to the realization of why is that person doing that? Or why are they like that? Why is this happening? so that’s the main difference. They’re sensitive. They’re all sensitive. And if you can imagine across humanity, no matter their culture, they all come with this inherent kindness or sensitivity, so that’s why they’re different.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that there’s a difference between the Gen Z kids and the millennials that came before them. I thought it was just my imagination, apparently not. Interesting stuff. And you also mentioned intuition and heart. Heart, heart technology, heart- centered. These are all just terms that have been coming up a lot. One woman told me recently that type of thing is a marker of a different dimension, higher consciousness. Do you agree or is that something completely different?

Toni Reilly: I do think it would be associated with higher consciousness, but if I were talking about higher consciousness, I would talk about us as a soul because. When we’re just souls, we’re everything. We just don’t have these human thoughts or characteristics. So we are very pure, and I think that the heart, as far as being a human, the heart center of us or our intuition is the closest that we get within our, our jumbled up humanness that is part of that consciousness, yes.

Johnny Burke: So could that possibly be a marker of the 5D that a lot of these intuitives are talking about these days?

Toni Reilly: I have to be honest and say I’ve heard people talk about 5D, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve never studied it or even really read about it, but what I know is from the work that I’ve been doing is as humanity is evolving and what it’s doing is evolving back almost to when we began in some ways because we were much more intuitive and they were watching what the moon was doing and the stars and these kinds of things, but much more intuitive.

So we’re evolving back to that more connected people. and I think we’ve had our explosion of corporates and all that, and it’s slowly, well, actually, probably pretty fast in the last little while coming down and bringing us back to a sort of more connected humanity. So it’s changing and I do feel that humanity is an experiment that we’re all part of. With each generation it evolves some more e exactly as it’s meant to. So everything that’s happened through the course of humanity has meant to happen. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: So it could be that we are returning to a time or a place in our consciousness where we were more intuitive and we’re more heart-centered, maybe even more towards a group consciousness rather than a zero-sum type thing where it’s always me against you and there’s got to be a loser for every winner. Speaking of which, have you had experience in your sessions where one of your clients was taking back to an ancient time, were maybe the civilizations were more advanced consciousness wise?

Toni Reilly: Yes, it happens all the time. The simplest thing to say is, Earth is not the only place that we incarnate. So yes, people go to other places, other places, and they’re all, I guess, places of experimentation or experiences for the soul to have. but I noticed with any other place that people go, it’s always more energetic and- I’m going to say easier than Earth. Earth is the hard one. The other places are much more,

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that.

Toni Reilly: I’m just going to say energetic and different. Nice. Even.Yeah.

Johnny Burke: agree. I’ve heard that quite a bit. , I don’t want to call them stories because that makes it sound like fiction. I’m hearing a lot more about people incarnating from other worlds, other systems. And I know that there’s that part of the population that will always kind of roll their eyeballs and smirk when people talk about Pleiadeans and all these other, far-out places, which I know nothing about, but I hear it a lot you probably hear it a lot more than I do. pretty interesting stuff,right? And I’ve heard, speaking of which, that earth is a primitive- I heard this last week, a primitive and warlike planet that’s how we’re looked upon.

Toni Reilly: Yeah, it’s very dense and very, hands on, literally, because we don’t have any of this touch, taste, sound, nothing like that unless we’re here in this body. But Johnny, you know what, on the other places that people go, what’s really exciting about this work is people come along not knowing anything about other places. They’re so mainstream and still sometimes they’ll go off somewhere and they come back like,’ what the was that?’ ‘But it’s happened. They felt it. They saw it, and it’s so reassuring because they’re as shocked as anyone else, and most likely we’re an eye roller before you know if they’d even heard of it at all.

Johnny Burke: I was one of those people not really that long ago. I was always interested in, past lives and near-death experiences and that type of thing, and I never had a doubt about the survival of consciousness, even when I was a young kid. But when people start talking about ETs and different planets and Pleiadeans, I wouldn’t roll my eyeballs, but I would think, seriously? Okay.

I’m as skeptical as many people because I have to think what’s the motive? What would incentivize someone to make that up? Are they selling something? Is it a book? Is it a show? Is it a movie? I don’t know. But the more and more I dive into this, I hear about this stuff a lot. My question is always going to be ,okay for once and for all, would one of these beings come down in a ship or whatever and just put all this to rest so we can get on with our lives?

And according to someone that’s going to be on the show, and I think in about a month, he’s saying there is going to be a new cosmic master that’s going to come down here. And I said,’ is it going to be next week?’ I don’t know Johnny. ‘And I said, ‘great. Can you get him to interfere in the next election? Had to bring that up he had no idea. He got a laugh out of it. Anyway. Speaking of missions, you have a mission to change the face of psychology.

And you also believe that soul life coaching is the next step in the evolution of past life regression. So did the mission or the goal to change the face of psychology create the soul life coaching? Or did the soul life coaching come first?

Toni Reilly: Well, it all started as past life regression as I mentioned, I was on my own sort of self-awareness path, so, it all ended up sort of coming together. Past life regression quickly turned into between lives or there were stages where people were going elsewhere, and then of course, beyond which I call it home,

I think that a lot of people who’ve had any of these experiences call at home. But what happened with it was, I was very conscious that you’re still here as a person and we’re living life and we’re having relationships and we have to survive here, and we have to make the most of it. Life is fun. There’s some good stuff we can do here that we can’t do when we’re not in our body.

So I felt like if we can bring both together, we can make this life better and good, and hopefully a lot more fearless, making the most of it while we’re here. Because the truth is we are, we’re all leaving here we know there’s always been birth and death, so we’re all going through, it’s like make the most of it while you’re here if it’s at all possible.

So I feel like this type of coaching, or this type of psychology is so positive for people to get them back to a place where they can really live, live better, live well, feel good about themselves. So that’s what the whole mission turned into.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Do you feel that this work, especially the L B L space, has anything to do with the expansion of consciousness- which we’re not the only ones talking about that, obviously. Is there a connection there or not really? You tell me.

Toni Reilly: Oh, I’m sure there is. I’m sure there is. When somebody, when a person goes in between or beyond or even into a past life, there is without a doubt- whether they question or not, healthy skeptic, it happens and they know that they didn’t make it up. The emotion comes with it. So across the board, they are immediately more conscious and knowing that there’s so much more than just life and us here, our body. So it’s super awakening or beneficial.

Johnny Burke: To answer my other question, how this can change psychology, it seems to be that this type of work can not only expand consciousness -for all of us, hopefully, but it can also get to the heart of an issue a lot quicker than conventional. What do you call it? Couch therapy? Or whatever it is, probably a lot less expensive as well. What are your thoughts?

Toni Reilly: Well with me it’s an investment, but with soul life coaches, it’s the most amazing experience. It gets to the core of the issues fast and it helps people make sense of their lives and what’s going on and why. That’s the key. Soul Life Coaching is going to help you understand why and maybe one other thing I’d love to just say real quick is, every single one of us comes here with insecurity. It’s part of our mission. It’s part of the purpose of life. And when you understand what yours is and, and potentially, the ones that others have, there’s not that many. Everything just seems to open up and make sense as to why we react the way we do, why we behave the way we do. Some things we can’t change, some we can, and it helps our problems or challenges that we face make sense and dissolve, I suppose. Help us heal and move through.

Johnny Burke: Agree. Yeah, that makes total sense to me. Anything else that we should know?

Toni Reilly: Woo. Well, my favorite thing is to believe in yourself, doing the self-work it’s magical. You can’t turn back after that.

Johnny Burke: No turning back. Okay. I think I’m going to quit there. I don’t think I can top that. Great. And so, Tony, thanks so much for joining us this morning. excellent information. How can our listeners find you online?

Toni Reilly: Johnny, they can find me on my website. I’m on all social media, but my website is tonireiilyinstitute.com.

#95 Holly Duckworth: Wisdom From The Higher Self

November 12, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Life Between Lives, Past Lives

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Holly Duckworth. She is a psychotherapist, hypnotherapist and author of Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom from The Higher Self. Today, we will be talking about multidimensionality, the nature of eternity and how time is an illusion. Holly, welcome to the show.

Holly Duckworth: Thanks Johnny, my pleasure to be here.

Johnny Burke: You’ve studied with Dolores Cannon to learn about past life regression. What inspired you to do that?

Holly Duckworth: Traged.y I’d received my PhD in in psychology in 2010 and was doing a little bit of Jungian analysis and a whole lot of like corporate organizational development and executive coaching and that kind of thing. So I was in the corporate world. At the time, my 20-year-old son was arrested for DUI. I had never heard of Dolores Cannon, would never have heard of her before. My son was in a situation where he was going to be incarcerated for 21 days. and I couldn’t visit him. No video calls, no actual visits. I could only have an occasional phone call with him.

So in one of our phone calls, he says, “Hey mom, I found this book in jail and I think you’d really like it.’ it was Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe book 4.

I had no idea who Dolores Cannon was, but I go after we hang up, Amazon, click, click just to have something to converse with my son, the next time that we talked, and I get Convoluted Universe Book 4, and I start reading it. And Johnny I’m like, oh, my gosh, everything I’ve ever believed in my entire life, here it is in print. I’ve never seen it in print before. Things like, God is an energy source, not some dude on a cloud with sandals, right? all kinds of quantum physics, things like, time is an illusion. All kinds of things like this were in that book that I had already believed.

Well, so my son gets out of jail in December of 2012 and Dolores was doing a weekend retreat in January of 2013. And so I told my son, “let’s go see her.” And so we did, that was in February. I was in training to be a Q H H T practitioner and I’ve not looked back

Johnny Burke: It seems like it was kind of meant to happen. You were already a psychotherapist at that time?

Holly Duckworth: Yes

Johnny Burke: When your son was in jail, and then you went to see Dolores Cannon in January, then you were literally training by the next month. you mentioned something about Carl Jung. What is it about Carl Jung and the mystical universe? What is the connection there?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. if you think about it, you’re going back to the 1920s. He was a student of Freud, one of the first psychologists or psychiatrists. Back then a psychiatrist was just a medical doctor. If you read Carl Jung’s work with a metaphysical mindset. You’re like, yeah, this dude wasn’t a scientist. He was a metaphysicist.

Johnny Burke: I’ve read some of his work when I started to learn about near-death experiences, somehow it had something to do with Carl Jung I don’t know what the link or the connection was, but now that you mentioned it, it makes a lot of sense. In your experience, you’ve obviously done the training with Dolores Cannon; what have you learned about past lives and reincarnation?

Holly Duckworth: A big part of Dolores Cannon’s quantum healing hypnosis technique, is people come to Q H H T, usually for physical healing. I’ve seen all kinds of physical healing; stage four cancer, autoimmune diseases. Name a kind of physical ailment and we’ve probably seen it removed through QH H T.

A part of that QH H T process is experiencing what I call another life, not a past life. So we use that process really to get the client into the deepest level of altered state of consciousness, of trance that we can. That allows the connection to the higher self then the higher self can then unravel all of them, understanding that we need of the physical manifestation, whether it’s cancer or disease or whatever, that can allow the healing of that experience. It’s a much bigger process than past life regression. It’s a miraculous process of physical healing, but we pivot on past life regression in order to achieve the states of trance that we need to do the healing.

Johnny Burke: Past life regression, as most people know it is kind of removed from Q H H T. You have to kind of drive on that highway. It seems like with the Dolores Cannon method, you go a lot further.

Holly Duckworth: Exactly. And she actually didn’t find out about the healing capacity until she was probably 25 or 30 years into her career. All of her early books are about, using these past life regression situations to do research.

For example, she wrote two books on Jesus, “Jesus and The Essenes” and” They Walked With Jesus.” She had a client who regressed to the rabbi that gave Jesus and John their Bar Mitzvah. And so she researched these historical situations, through the past life regression. And it was only in the late 1990s that she connected to the higher self and was able to witness healing- physical healing through the trance state. That’s when she developed her quantum healing hypnosis technique. She spent the last 10, 15 years of her life doing nothing but that and teaching others how to do that.

Johnny Burke: So you actually met her?

Holly Duckworth: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. Wow. Because now I believe her daughter leads the trainings and is carrying on the tradition. How did she- how did Dolores have a direct conversation with Nostradamus across time?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, she ended up writing three volumes of books on Nostradamus. She was in the middle of an ordinary session on an ordinary day at the office for her, doing her past life regression hypnosis. This was before

QHHT. The client that she was regressing, in his past life experience, he was the secretary that was the scribe for Nostradamus. So the scribe is at work in the offices of Nostradamus and Dolores in her typical unabashed way, she asks the guy who’s the scribe “can we talk to him”?

Johnny Burke: You would have to ask,

Holly Duckworth: Then the scribe starts an intermediary conversation. So finally she ended up working with this client for many, many, many years. And finally, she was able to have the client just, I guess, meld, or assume the consciousness of Nostradamus. What they would do is when they were in session, she would read a Nostradamus quatrain in modern English as translated from ancient 14th century French, then Nostradamus, speaking to her through the client in hypnosis would go, ‘well, that’s not what I meant. I meant, blah, blah, blah.” They spent years working together to correct the translations of all of the quatrains. So that’s the three volumes of work.

Johnny Burke: So she believed she wasn’t like listening to a recording of Nostradamus, she was actually communicating with him?

Holly Duckworth: Exactly. Exactly. We can probably imagine he was in some sort of trance state, because that’s what he did and was connecting to her. That would’ve been the 1980s and one of the funniest stories out of that book was, they’re in this conversation, her, and Nostradamus directly. Yes. In real-time, she said something like, well, she had to go to her doctor later and she didn’t want to be late for her female doctor and Nostradamus stopped her and was like, “what are you talking about?” she said,” yeah, I don’t want to be late for her. Nostradamus was dumbfounded that women could be doctors in the time that he was talking to Dolores. So they would just have like ordinary conversations directly with Nostradamus, yeah.

Johnny Burke: That really is amazing. I wanted to save that for later, but I just, couldn’t wait anymore. Apparently, with her technique, it’s possible to connect beyond the veil, which is not typically reported in past life regression sessions or cases. If that’s true, have you had any direct experience doing something like that?

Holly Duckworth: Well, yeah, every day, so when the person is in trance and experiencing that other person’s life, we don’t always go to the past. We can go to the future. We can go to a simultaneous life. We can go to an eternal life, an energy being, if you will, that resides outside of time. We can go to other planets where the timeline is very different than this timeline from an earth-based timeline. So we go to all kinds of different places with that person in trance, they begin speaking in the first person. They are embodied in that situation. They see sight, they hear sounds, they can smell smells, and they feel the emotions of that person in that other place in time. It is first person- you feel and know everything that that person knows. So we can begin to have these same kinds of conversations like Dolores was having with Nostradamus, for these people in whatever time they’re in.

Johnny Burke: I’m starting to think about how some people go to mediums to try and make contact with the past loved one. Could it be that this technique is- I don’t want to say safer, but it’s an alternative to going to a medium or is it similar?

Holly Duckworth: I think- of course, I’m biased, but I think it’s better because it’s not going through someone else’s filter. Right. You’re experiencing that. I’ll give you an example for myself. In that very first experience I had with Dolores, these were group regressions, so she would have a weekend retreat. There’d be 200 people in a hotel ballroom, and we’d all be going into hypnosis simultaneously. She had different scripts. Sometimes it would be past life. Sometimes it would be future life. Sometimes it would be meeting your spirit guide or get an answer to a question. She had all kinds of different journeys that you could take.

This particular one was past life. I came into that life, it was really funny because I’m looking down, in my mind’s eye, my eyes are closed. I’m having this very intense, imaginative experience in this other life as this other woman. And she was a black woman, I would say probably back in the 19 teens in a large city, maybe, St. Louis or Chicago, and I had a little tiny house. I’m standing in the kitchen and I’m cooking bacon and Johnny, I could smell bacon cooking. In that moment and I had a baby on my hip. I had two daughters, and I had a son in this little, tiny kitchen in my little, tiny house in this urban environment, completely unfamiliar to me. I’ve never lived in a house like that or a city like that. I’ve always lived kind of out in the country. So experiences that were completely foreign to my conscious mind. Yet here they were- I’m in it first person smelling the freaking bacon on the stove.

Johnny Burke: That is amazing.

Holly Duckworth: And simultaneously I know that this baby on my hip, the soul of that baby boy is my husband in this life.

Johnny Burke: Is it just a knowing like a psychic, or a download or something ?

Holly Duckworth: I guess, of course, I went into all of this Dolores experience, totally a skeptic, 100% a skeptic. And this is my first time out of the chute.

I had never had hypnosis before. Never even was interested in it. And here I am having this ridiculously profound experience.

Johnny Burke: Lots of details too.

Holly Duckworth: And layers, layers, and layers of information.

Johnny Burke: Lots of details. Like one man was talking about how he could see the brush strokes on the painting. Bob snow. I think we talked about that. You told me you were skeptical like most people are when they encountered this type of thing. When you were little, did you have any intuitive type experiences, like seeing spirits or? None of that, right?

Holly Duckworth: No, none, none whatsoever. My undergraduate degree is in mechanical engineering, I was always the science nerd, the math nerd kid. My dad’s an engineer. I have brothers that are engineers. Like the whole family is like left brain, analytical engineering people. None whatsoever. I still don’t see auras. I can tap into my higher self, of course, having been regressed and in hypnosis as much as I have now. But, in terms of just general psychic ability, no, absolutely not.

Johnny Burke: It seems like you’ve experienced all kinds of things; past lives, or should we say “other lives, “simultaneous lives, but what about the in-between lives, in between incarnation space? Have you experienced that?

Holly Duckworth: Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of clients go there. I call it the void. The resting place. It’s this place where it’s not light or dark. It’s not black or white. It’s not hot or cold. It’s not good or bad. There’s no body, there’s no emotions. And a lot of people will go there in between lives. The best I can tell is that other beings are there. They’re not in form, they’re energetic. The purpose of that experience is to really heal, and release any sort of trauma or emotions or experiences that need to be released from the inform incarnation. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Have you seen any or experienced any, instances of pre-birth planning,

Holly Duckworth: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Soul contracts, soul family?

Holly Duckworth: Most clients will ask, “do I have any karma that I need to know of any contracts that I need to work on? “in their session, they want to know that for the remainder of their life. Yeah, exactly. And it’s as easy as saying” not going to go there. ” Before embodied, I might have thought that was going to be easy or even capable of doing it. And now it’s not going to happen. Yeah,

Johnny Burke: It’s like an athlete asking for a trade

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing is that almost always we’ve incarnated with our soul family, with other people that have agreements to play the various roles

Johnny Burke: Everybody says that- it’s amazing! It almost seems too good to be true, but everybody that I know that has had experiences of that place says the same thing. That it was like casting a stage play, we’re just playing roles.

Holly Duckworth: One of the most really challenging stories that I’ve run across is, one of my clients, she had a very, very common question; what is my life lesson? What am I here to learn? And then of course, what is my life purpose? That’s the whole point of the book. Her question is, what is my life lesson? And she was at the end of her life. She has a recurrence of brain cancer. She was in her mid-seventies. It was now or never. In terms of what is my life lesson? The higher self said her life lesson was forgiveness.

Well, what we find out is that her father had been one of the most unimaginable abusers to all of his kids, including her- think of a kind of abuse. Yes. That’s what she received at the hands of her father.

And he was actually an Ascended Master. He was like an elder of the soul family.

Johnny Burke: But he came down here to play a role, the elder?

Holly Duckworth: To be an abuser so that she could learn forgiveness. Wow.

Johnny Burke: That’s pretty crazy- you’ve actually experienced the elders. I was going to say the council of elders. Is it true that we don’t get judged when we go there, someone communicates, or some energy communicates as if to ask” how do you think you did?”

Holly Duckworth: Exactly exactly. The whole soul family will get together. Everybody who played a part and go “well, did you get what you wanted?” and then you get to say,” well, yeah, but I missed this one piece of forgiveness. I think I’ll do this again. But the next time I want to learn forgiveness in this other way” or whatever.

Johnny Burke: Do you ever hear silly things like, “well, yeah, I never got the record contract, I never got the supermodel girlfriend “or stupid things? well
that’s good.

Holly Duckworth: No.

Johnny Burke: I had to ask

Holly Duckworth: In, terms of life purpose, that’s one of the things I’ve learned. They do not care what you do. They do care how you be. Your state of being is what’s important, not what you do.

Johnny Burke: So in other words, they don’t care what you do. So if you are a horrible person and lie, cheat, steal, murder, whatever, they don’t care about that?

Holly Duckworth: They do not. As long as you got what you needed. Just a few weeks ago, I had a 16-year-old client come in, which is the youngest we can work with. He goes into his other life experience, and in this life, he’s just the most beautiful, precious, lovely love, full human being. But his other life that we witnessed- and if he wasn’t ready for it, the higher self wouldn’t have shown him this. He was like a 1930s, like Al Capone level gangster and his job in that other life was to kill people , to murder people. He was a hitman.

Johnny Burke: Did he say who he was?

Holly Duckworth: No, we didn’t. go into names. No. But here he is in his next, presumably- if we want to follow timelines, his next incarnation as this beautiful love-full, person.

Johnny Burke: That seems to be in contrast with some other things or principles that we all hear about karma. Let’s take this person, for example, a hitman in Chicago in 1930, whatever, who has killed a bunch of people; doesn’t he have to work that karma off or not necessarily?

Holly Duckworth: Not necessarily, it depends on who he killed and what their prior agreement was, and what was the point of that entire experience

Johnny Burke: So it depends on his role if his role was to do that.?

Holly Duckworth: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: but what about the people that have near-death experiences and it’s really scary. And we find out later on that experience has attributed to they were not very nice people in their life?

Holly Duckworth: I’ve never run into anything like that. One of Dolores’s processes, we very intentionally in QH H T take someone through the death process in that other life. She thought that it was very therapeutic for people. Now, remember, you’re witnessing this life firsthand, you’re smelling the bacon, and now you go through as that other person, the death process. You know firsthand then what the death process is like. And her point was it alleviates like ridiculous amounts of fear because we see how easy the death process is. Her famous quote is, and I see this in almost every case, ” it’s just like getting up from one chair and sitting down in the next, it’s that easy .”

You can imagine in these past life scenarios, all of the hideous ways human beings have died, right? On the battlefield, burned at the stake, beheaded, there’s really, really bad things that humans do to each other in terms of the way we die. I haven’t witnessed a case yet where the soul wasn’t already departed when the body felt the pain. So like on a battlefield or being beheaded or whatever. I’m on the verge of concluding that our soul leaves before all of that physical trauma needs to happen.

Johnny Burke: I can see this would really kind of ruffle the feathers of some of these hardcore Christians because you’re basically giving us license to do pretty much whatever we want, right?

Holly Duckworth: I guess, eventually you’re going to have to figure out all sides of whatever it is that you’re working on. Let’s say for example that client that I was just talking about, whose father was the abuser, and her point in this life was, to learn forgiveness. That was her life lesson. Well, her soul is going to want to understand in this life, that she was the victim of abuse, and she needed to learn to forgive her abuser. In another life, she’s going to have to be the abuser and be forgiven by those that she abused. So if we want to learn forgiveness, we have to learn every single solitary facet of forgiveness, which means playing every single solitary part that is attached to forgiveness.

Johnny Burke: That would make sense with the statement, which again is in the book; “we have to have all experiences.”

Holly Duckworth: We have all been the victim, we’ve all been the villain. We’ve all been the savior. We’ve all been bystander. We have all been everything. So then this idea, this self-righteous, holier than thou, “Well, I’m a good person,” eh, sorry, we’ve all been at all.

Johnny Burke: That will definitely make some folks think that’s for sure. What is an example of a client that experienced future and simultaneous lives in hypnosis; can you, give us an example of that?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Just a few weeks ago I had a client it was the current timeline. It was modern times because she’s describing the cars and the buildings and the people and what they were wearing. If it wasn’t the exact same timeline, it was very similar. And she’s experiencing this other life. The client was a woman in this life and that other life, she was a man and having some sort of experience as an executive. So we’ve gone through this other life scenario. This simultaneous life as some executive. I think he was in Australia, he’s this really powerful CEO type. If it’s current timeline, we do not take that person through the death process because they might not yet be dead.

The first question we always ask the higher self.: Why’d you show her that? Why’d you take her to that life? In this case, she had some prejudices. Her husband was a high-powered executive, like the man that she embodied in this other life. And then she was able to kind of unravel some of the friction and prejudices that she had about her husband through that firsthand witnessing of that other man in the current timeline. When we go to the future, we’ve been to the future on earth. We can go to the future in other places, other planets. Sometimes in other planets, we don’t know if it’s the past, the present, or the future, or outside of time.

Johnny Burke: Outside of time? Okay. That’s probably a whole other episode. What does the future, in whatever instance that your client was in, what does the future of earth actually look like?

Holly Duckworth: I would say that current life seems to be the most complicated that it’s going to be, so when we start looking in the future, things seem to be so much simple. for example, I’ve had clients go to the future and its kind of described as like the Pueblo Native Americans; smaller, apartment-like structures attached to each other, but they’re only two or three stories tall. And then you go inside the structure and there isn’t like furniture because all the furniture is kind of built-in like organically into the walls and such, and a very small community kind of driven thing. I’ve never had anyone experience flying cars.

Johnny Burke: You got to go back 10,000 years in the past to find that, right?
Speaking of which, as we know time, theoretically does not exist. Have you had any experiences with clients going back to like ancient civilizations, where there was an advanced society? can you give us an example of that?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, in fact, I was just doing some video editing today, hoping to share a session. I need to get the client’s permission to share all of the recording and everything, but, Ancient Egypt, of course. Lots of clients go back to Ancient Egypt. They were very much integrated with other planet people, that would come and help and show them technology and do things with them.

This particular client, she went back in ancient Egypt. They would have these, I don’t know why, but they were all young men, and they were trained to allow ET beings’ consciousness to be housed in their bodies. So they were trained to empty themselves of themselves and then allow the ET to come into the body to do things on earth. In this particular instance, it was to do some sort of energy exchange with a priest and a priestess in a ceremony. So my client was the ET that happened to be temporarily resident in this young male body, which the ET found extremely uncomfortable and clunky, and then they went into the ceremony with this priest and priestess

Johnny Burke: Did you ever have any experience of seeing flying machines of any kind in any civilization?

Holly Duckworth: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ships, all manner of ships, spaceships the size of planets. Massive, massive, spaceships all the way down to little, tiny, like one-person spaceships, where you can see through like the entire ship is transparent. Spaceships with control panels.

Johnny Burke: So the obvious question for someone who’s listening to this is probably going to be: That sounds really cool. But how do you know, how does your client know that it’s not just his imagination?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. in the Q H H T process, we don’t care. That’s not the point. I’m a past-life regressionist that doesn’t believe in past lives. So maybe it is the imagination cooking it up. I don’t know. Dolores did a little bit of digging, literally archeological record digging when she was doing her Jesus books to corroborate some of the data. If time doesn’t exist, all lives are now. If we’re all one, we all have access to the Akashic Records. We all have access to the consciousness of everything. So is it my past life? I don’t know. And frankly, to Q H H T it doesn’t matter. All we’re using this other life experience for is to develop a deep enough trance for a very clear conversation with the higher self to do the physical and emotional healing.

Johnny Burke: What it’s designed to do. I have lots of respect for mediums, but this is where the line of demarcation between something like this and mediumship is that the mediumship is not really meant to heal, I don’t think, although I can bring forth certain truths.

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we use the term healing broadly because back to that same example, what is my life lesson? It’s forgiveness. Well, learning forgiveness is healing, right? It’s the fulfillment of that lesson in this life. And that’s important to this life. And that’s a healing aspect of this life.

Johnny Burke: So fulfilling a purpose does not send you to the pearly gates upon death unless you choose to manifest it. So, okay. I have to ask you this- on the other side, is manifestation instant when you get there?

Holly Duckworth: So it’s a little different. Yes, but-

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told it is

Holly Duckworth: On the other side we don’t need things. In other dimensions, I don’t need food. I don’t need shelter. I’m never cold or hot. So why do I need clothes or air conditioning or roofs over my head? I don’t. So the need for manifestation is much, much, much, less in higher dimensions.

Johnny Burke: Unless you want to see someone, right?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, but If I’m pure consciousness, I’m never separated from that someone. So I don’t even have to manifest the connection because I’m never not connected.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard it explained quite that way, but again, this is returning the source, returning to oneness. Right?

Talk a little bit about Kelly’s first incarnation in physical form. This was her first incarnation because her soul had always had formless experiences. Apparently, she had incarnated as part of waves of volunteers, which Dolores wrote about in her book, The Three Waves of Volunteers. Tell, tell us about the volunteers.

Holly Duckworth: Universally, at the end of World War II, when humans were figuring out how to do nuclear weapons, the keepers of the universe, the higher up these ascended masters kind of went, “oh, crap, the kids have matches!”

Johnny Burke: Kids have matches.

Holly Duckworth: We are not a very evolved species as humans, by the way.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. I’ve heard that too.

Holly Duckworth: We uncovered matches, but our matches as nuclear weapons had the ability to rip holes through space and time to rip holes way beyond our dimension. There were other parties in the universe that were very, very interested in us not having these kinds of matches. So the call kind of went out to souls that were incarnated in other places and other dimensions, much more evolved souls to come into the earth.

One of the rules of earth and one of the things that makes it such a challenging place is we have free will. We come here, we forget, we go into our separation from source, and we have free will. The point of incarnating on earth is to see what you’re going to do with your free will. They couldn’t just quash the nuclear weapons; they couldn’t just create a timeline where we never did that or whatever. But they couldn’t interfere from the outside because of the law of free will, but they could incarnate as humans and influence the evolution of humanity from the inside out.

So those are the volunteers. Actually, I think we’re up to the fourth wave. Dolores wrote about the first three waves back in 2010 when that book came out and now, I’ve seen some clients that either their children are wave four or very young people, 16, 17, that they are wave four. Over time, these different dimensional beings have incarnated as humans for the express purpose to change the vibrational frequency and the dimensional experience on earth.

Johnny Burke: So we can finally go into the Aquarian Age after we’ve been talking about it for 500 years?

Holly Duckworth: Yes. But for a lot of other places, that’s a blink in time,

Johnny Burke: That’s what I’ve been told. To be continued. All right, Holly, thank you very much for joining us. how can our, listeners find you online?

Holly Duckworth: Sure. So my website is www.awarecaredurango.com and then the book we’ve been referencing today is called Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom From The Higher Self. It’s on Amazon in all formats.

#60 Robyn Locke: Your Life Purpose

March 12, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Life Between Lives, Near Death Experiences

#elders, #guaradianangels, #lifebetweenlives, #lifepurpose, #pastlives, #pureconsciousness, #spiritguides

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Robin Locke. She is a transformation facilitator, energy intuitive and author of the Purpose Brook Trilogy, which was inspired by her work with beings known as the Elders. If you’ve ever wondered why you are here, and what your purpose is, that’s exactly what we’re going to talk about today. Robin, welcome to the show.

Robyn Locke: Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: You had a near-death experience. I believe it was 2006, where you heard a voice asking if you wanted to live , and you were actually given a choice. Tell us a little bit about that.

Robyn Locke: I didn’t share that story for a long time, because I’m not sure how you would term it. And maybe it is a near-death experience. I’ve come to believe that. I was alone in recovery. And I had all these tubes and things attached and I was looking around and just wondering about it all. And I heard a very loud male voice saying very clearly, “do you want to live?” and I said to myself, because I couldn’t speak at that point. I had a tube down my throat, and I said, or thought to myself, I don’t know. I knew what I was up against was going to be a long recovery. And I had just kind of gotten through having graves’ disease and then having a really significant nine out of 10 level pain.

I knew what was before me would be somewhat challenging. And I honestly just didn’t know. And so they ended up putting me into a very small room because they thought at one point that I’d had a heart attack, which I didn’t feel like I had, but they felt like they had to take all precautions. So they put me in this little room, and I was hooked up to all sorts of things. It wasn’t until the next morning that I woke up and all my vitals started to jump because I knew that I wanted to live. It was, an allowing, that I was given a choice. In that circumstance when you can’t speak, I believe that probably a lot of times you don’t remember having that experience. But it was an incredible experience, and it took me about two and a half years of recovery to get back to where I’d been before. It was an amazing experience; it was the elders who asked me. I didn’t know at that time, I didn’t know anything more than what I heard, and can still hear it clearly in my head today.

Johnny Burke: What’s interesting about this is that the definition of a near-death- experience or an NDE as we know, it, seems to be morphing where the experiencers don’t necessarily have to flatline in order to reach that state. You mentioned the elders. A lot of us have heard talk about the council of 12, the council of elders, which I believe comes from the life between live space that our Dr. Michael Newton talked about in his books. Are they one in the same, or might this group of elders be something different?

Robyn Locke: So what happened was around 2000 7, 8, 9. I’d have to look up in my journal to see when it was. I started getting up early in the morning, like I do today, and I would pose questions, more philosophical questions and personal questions at that point. And would seek answers more expansive answers, I would write them all down. So at that point I was writing and journaling and, at one point along the way I asked, “what am I to call you?” I was given” the elders” and I chuckled, and I said, “that sounds so formal, can we have a less formal name? Is that okay? they said”, it will do for now, and that’s how you can refer to us.” I do not believe it is the same council that you’ve referred to. these are many beings, in the hundreds and it’s almost a community of sorts. What happens is I’ll get bursts of energy, bursts of information. Then I give that in response to what is being asked. So it is more or less like a bridge of communication from the physical realm.

Johnny Burke: To the nonphysical?

Robyn Locke: Exactly

Johnny Burke: You may be describing what other people describe as spirit guides, guardian angels.

Robyn Locke: There’s a difference. In this experience, these beings have given their awareness or their understanding as being pure consciousness, infinite awareness. I always use capitalization when I talk about that and write about it. And there’s a description on the advanced energetics website that talks about them. It’s what they gave me as the definition of who they are. Spirit guides, guardian angels. and the like, are talked about in the third purpose trilogy book, which has not yet been released. Typically you have between four and six beings that are not the same, but they are an energetic key to the one that they are with so that when you pray, when you sit in meditation, when you sit in a contemplative moment, and you can still the mind long enough to receive what is given, they are the ones who respond typically to a lot of the requests that you might have.

Johnny Burke: Is there some kind of hierarchy of light beings, for lack of a better description between the spirit guides and the angels and the elders?

Robyn Locke: That I can’t directly answer. If you’d like to have the elders respond to any of these questions, I’m glad to step aside and let them respond. I do know that when you incarnate, people refer to beings that have passed as entities. Entities that have incarnated, sometimes they have more that they want to say from the lifetime from which they’ve just passed. So there is not the full knowledge. There is not the full awareness when you’re in that state of having left the body. Because when you pass from the body, you carry with you your beliefs. That’s why beliefs are so important. I have to digress and just share a little story that came to my awareness yesterday.

I had a good friend who won’t read or listen to any of my writings or any of our writings and understandings, because she’s very devoted to Jesus and Christianity. And I don’t feel that it’s being disrespectful to Jesus, but that’s her choice. That is how she feels. So I asked yesterday if she’d ever read The Secret and what she thought about it. She thought it was a great book and she really liked the insightfulness of it. I said, well, that’s interesting because that book was insights that were given to the author when she traveled on a cruise ship with Esther Hicks and Abraham. those insights are similar insights that I receive from the Elders And so there’s such a stigma sometimes,

Johnny Burke: Yes, there is.

Robyn Locke: I do understand because I was at the same caliber years ago, and I didn’t want insights from entities, because I thought entities didn’t have the full 360 view that you might from something of a higher level. So in response to your question, I would say that yes, there is pure consciousness, infinite awareness that are those who have not embodied, although I’ve been told that some of the elders have, but not many. But the majority of them have never embodied. And so they hold the full awareness before entering into physical form.

And so from that regard, there is a little bit of a distinction, and I don’t think it’s that one is higher than the other, more that is, filtering of the mind and when the mind doesn’t understand something, which when you get into this work, it really doesn’t comprehend much of this, if any of it. And so what the mind does is it blocks what it doesn’t understand, and it judges, in that judgment, it will block what it doesn’t understand. It will compartmentalize many things that you might, or that a listener might otherwise embrace.

So to a degree it’s pushing through and reminding the mind that it does not control the awareness that resides within this physical vessel. So it’s a retraining in many regards that many of us, me included, are in a mind game most of the time, because we weren’t trained earlier in our youth, by our parents or those who raised us. Or those who taught us that we are not our minds. We are not our thoughts. And so we have been left to kind of sometimes flounder a bit and allow the mind to control many of the things that we do and so moving through all of this, it’s really garnering and gathering and awareness and a new perspective that you control what thoughts you think, you control what you bring into your awareness, and you control the positive or negative things that. you continue to focus upon. It’s all a choice

Johnny Burke: You had mentioned earlier. you didn’t have the complete answer to one of my questions and you offered to step aside and let the elders answer the question. Now, is that more of a telepathic communication or is it more of a clairaudient thing where you actually hear a voice saying the answer is this or here’s the answer? How does that work?

Robyn Locke: So it’s almost, like a burst of energy that I get. I hear it in my own voice. And I’ve learned over time to trust what I’m given. And I connect and connected prior to this time. it’s just a rather seamless thing, but I find that it’s better for me not to speculate because then I’m getting into a judgment that I may not know.

I can give you my best guess, that there is not really the hierarchy as you’re defining it and seeing it, that we’re all from source energy. And so we are the connection of the one. And so it’s just a matter that we’ve come into this body vessel, and we’ve experienced this life in the way that we needed the mind, we needed the ego. But to know that when we have properties, such as the mind and ego, that we don’t have the full awareness because the mind blocks what we might otherwise intrinsically know.

Johnny Burke: So the distinction that you made earlier between an entity that did incarnate and some of the light beings, some of the elders and other groups that have not incarnated, has more of a 360 view. Whereas the entities that have been here don’t have that 360 view.

Robyn Locke: I believe that’s correct, because what happens is when you pass from this life, you bring with you everything that you believe currently. And so when you get to the other side, in the first chapter of the original book, they call it transition in between And behind the scenes. So three different, more or less areas, which I believe are much more in depth, but I got more of the overview of those areas.

so what happens is when you pass, you get reinforced with everything that you believed while physically placed, but what you believed may have been partially true. but universe says, if you believe those things, then we want to make you comfortable and feel that you’re in a good space. We want to reinforce what you believe. And universe also says, if you did not believe the full measure of what was really available, you had the free world choice while in the body to look for more. in a way it’s a diminishment where they say that what you believe isn’t real and isn’t true. it’s a minimization of the belief that you held, and it’s a relinquishing of the freewill that you had to choose what you chose to believe. So when you get insights, perhaps sometimes from a loved one, what you don’t know is, is whether or not that response is truly from The loved one, or from one of your guides, because they’ve also referred to the guides as the great mimickers.

Johnny Burke: The great mimicker. I wanted to ask you about that because that’s one term I’ve never heard before.
where did the term come from?

Robyn Locke: Well, it’s your guardian angels, your support group and what they often refer to as your unseen entourage could offer insights to you, guidance and direction all day long. But if you’re trapped in the mind and in a mind game, you won’t see any of that. a miracle could fall before you and would you see the miracle that was there if you’re thinking about something in your mind? And so when you’re receptive, when you’re at that place where you’re at the crossroads, where adversity has perhaps occurred, and you’re looking for answers now you’re receptive to receive and maybe an aunt died, or maybe a father or close relative. Or maybe someone that you grew up with and you feel like they’re around. perhaps it’s your unseen entourage who mimics the vibrational energy that they held so that they can reach you at a very deep and intrinsic level to give you answers that you seek.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like the great mimickers are almost like amplifiers.

Robyn Locke: it’s the guardian angels. It’s the unseen entourage or invisible entourage. All synonymous one with the other, just different ways to refer to those same beings that are there to support your life because that group is with you in the in-between time. So when you go into that in between time, it’s critical. In my opinion, that you always ask for more, because I get the distinct sense that when you’re in that space, you’re more or less guided into the next incarnation. And I was told that you always have a choice, that everything is a choice, but yet there’s almost the preponderance that you’re going into another life experience. And it’s almost as if you are directed beyond having that freewill elective. In other words, you know, that you have to return.

the reason I believe that many have taken a body is to experience their purpose. And so that’s the reason that the rounds continue, because we entered into some, know it as a soul contract. I was told it’s an agreement that you wanted to experience. So if you start as spiritual essence, and you take on a soul in order to encapsulate that spiritual essence into the body form, so you have a soul and that soul did not need to occur. You didn’t need to have a soul when you were spiritual essence, you only needed the soul when you wanted to come into the body to have the experience. So that’s why you hear people say that it’s so important to feel, or that’s why I hear from the elders all the time that you should feel your way through this life. And so it’s how you feel and that’s what you wanted to experience. So if you want to do experience, mine is service. And if you wanted to experience service, then to experience something that is less than being of service. So you’re deceitful, you lie, you cheat steal, you do whatever you can do to, to,

Johnny Burke: To experience that.

Robyn Locke: to accomplish what you want, but is that being of service to anyone? If you’re lying to someone, how are you serving them? my first and original incarnation was talked about in the, What If Book of What Is, and in that first chapter, it discusses how this young child was representing people who were Oracles, and who were supposedly giving great insights to the people that they served. When she discovered during an announcement of one that she was introducing, that they were being less than truthful, and it took her breath away and she realized that she was complicit with the falsities that they were sharing because she’d been introducing them. She’d been supporting them. She had been totally unaware until, you know how sometimes you piece together something as you’re talking and all of a sudden you start at one place and by the time you finished, you’re like,” oh wait, that doesn’t make sense.”? That’s what happened to her And so it actually took her out of embodiment, because she asked to no longer live. When the elders came to her, she said no, that she did not want to live. so they knew

Johnny Burke: She wanted to transition. In other words.

Robyn Locke: So she felt that there was no way that anyone would believe that she didn’t know that they were just not trustworthy and not of the caliber of who they said that they were. So when the elders went to her in that very first life experience, she said no that she did not want to live. And so they knew when they came and asked me in this lifetime that there was a great chance that I, would not want to continue. And I’m so grateful that I had a different response. The point of that story is knowing the full depth of what it was that you wanted to experience. So if you want to experience service, you must also know what it means to not be of service.

Johnny Burke: Could not agree more. And this is why it gets really confusing. You had mentioned the in-between space where, we enter into the life contracts and pick our soul family which makes reincarnation kind of a no-brainer because you talk about past lives and incarnations. What I think some people don’t get is that when someone chooses to be someone who is serving self of serving others, could it be that they need to understand both sides of it in order to grow spiritually and, keep going up the rungs of the Ascension ladder.

Robyn Locke: what I’m understanding is that the only one that each can make an assessment on is themselves. We don’t know if someone came in to be this negative polarizing person in an agreement that they made with someone so that they would have a certain type of experience, because sometimes you need a partnership like that to get the full expanse of something that you did not understand. What I’m understanding in a deep way is that sometimes we form these partnerships, and we make them more troublesome and more complex and more laborious and more frequent than we need to. It’s almost as if you get into that space in between lives and you think you’ve found it. So the next time you come in, you want a really hard life. So you can show that you can overcome it all. And what the elders said in that space was that is unnecessary.

Johnny Burke: So it’s not necessary.

Robyn Locke: If you had one experience why do you need four experiences?

Johnny Burke: Now it gets even more confusing, but I guess this is all part of a never-ending quest of, why are we here? What is our purpose? And, speaking of which, your books talk about, the life purpose and the original purpose. Why is the original purpose key to returning back to the reality that we knew before living here on earth? What’s the difference?

Robyn Locke: The life purpose is like a spoke on the wheel. We have an original purpose that is the wheel, and each life has a component of the original one, but it’s not the full or complete understanding that we sought to know. In this lifetime, my life purpose is truth. And so in order to know truth, you must know deceit, intrigue, treachery. You must know some things that are not truth, but I’ve had four at least very significant occurrences of deceit, intrigue, and treachery in big ways. What the elders share is that wouldn’t one significant occurrence be enough?

Johnny Burke: Right. So you don’t have to keep doing it over and over again?

Robyn Locke: Right. I think sometimes what happens is we think we figured it out. So that’s why it’s really important to know that when you pass from this life, that you do not know all. That, you know what you believe. From this life and that truth and understanding is carried with you to that in between time. I believe that a lot of people think that when they get into that space, and because they’re reinforced with everything that they believed that, that what they believed was just and right and true. So that they do have the full understanding of the belief. But what I’m suggesting is that perhaps they have part of the belief correct. And part of it that’s not so correct. And there will not be a distinguishing factor. But the good news is, you don’t have your mind and you don’t have ego filtering. all of this because what happens, is people ask for confirmations to get that understanding, but they asked from the mental space as opposed to the heart space. And when you ask for a mental confirmation, you will get a mental confirmation. You won’t get a Heart Space confirmation and they’re different, because ego likes to be right. Ego likes to know that they’ve already got all the answers and now they just need to ride out their time to see if they were right. And then when they get to that space, they get affirmed that they were absolutely correct.

Universe gives that reinforcement because they want the life stream to feel comfort in the pace of the transition. And it’s the way universe works, because if you really wanted to know the real truth, you would have asked, and you would have asked again. But it’s from this space, the heart and not the head that you need to elicit those confirmations because the others will lead you to have partial truths. Then you have a partial deck to play with when you’re your next life.

Johnny Burke: That would imply that when you do get to the in-between space, your beliefs that you carry with you from your past lifetime Can I actually get in the way or not?

Robyn Locke: It’s your beliefs from this embodiment that carry forward with you now, what carries? Let’s just say the personality that was a part of the soul that I have attached to this vessel now. So that first embodiment experienced something that caused them to not want to live. And it was not discerning correctly, who they were representing. So in that first lifetime, from that choice to transition and energy matrix was created.

I went through a past life regression with a friend who led me through that. And when I connected to that time, I could see her huddled against a wall on the roadside. And tears just started like a waterworks flowing down. I wasn’t crying, but it just was an unstoppable flow of tears. So she immediately said,” okay, now let’s go to another lifetime where we have a happier occurrence” because she didn’t really know what was happening to me. And I remembered saying at that point, ” no, I must connect to this one and give her comfort and love.” And when I went and energetically embraced her the energy.

That this personality that was within the matrix had been created, it held the vibratory pattern of what had gone on. And she had held, even though she was 19, when she passed, she held a lot of energy. And so when I made that connection and I chose to feel what she was feeling, in essence, it released this unbelievable amount of energy. I’ve never felt anything like it, it was incredible. The energy was the property of my soul essence. Over time that energy was allowed then to go back into the soul. So the point of all of that is that we’re meant to regain the wholeness of all of them. The way to do it was that discernment issue followed me or followed the personalities that were a part of the soul in every embodiment after that. Because what happened was there was a fracturing of that soul essence. And the what’s been explained to me is a way to minimize that was actually to allow the soul to transition because maybe the fracturing would get bigger and bigger because there was such a despondency from this child that she did not want to live. And so discernment until this embodiment has always been an issue.

I believe that many souls who came in for the very first embodiment, didn’t realize what they were getting into here. You feel things much more significantly so when you come in almost in a naive sort of way, and all of a sudden feel some of these things. It has caused a lot of those who thought that they could come in and go out and do all of this understanding rather quickly, it trapped them. And they became immersed in the energy that was here. When you become more consciously aware, then you realize that you have things that need to become integrated back into your soul. And you can do that by being a steward of what’s going on within your own life.

Johnny Burke: So it seems that just being able to ask the questions, asking the universe, what do I need to work on? So I don’t have to keep reincarnating and coming back here again and again, am I going to live my life? Yeah. Do I really want to come back here? If I can help it? Probably not.

I’ve been told several times by people that have been on the show, that earth is a pretty harsh world compared to some of the other worlds that are out there. And when many of these people talk about reincarnation and going into that in-between space that we were just talking about, they are often given the choice, instead of going here, you can go there because earth is really harsh.

If there’s one great takeaway from this discussion, can we agree that just simply knowing or acknowledging that, there are some things I want to work on. How do I get there? I don’t want to talk about the religion thing now, but whoever you go to for spiritual guidance, is that enough? Instead of reincarnating a thousand times, maybe the times we need to reincarnate is minimized or is that neither here nor there?

Robyn Locke: So I would say, the first thing would be, is to ask, do you feel that you have a purpose. If you ask through your heart space, does that resonate for you? Then I’m going to say that you have a purpose. And then I would say that the purpose was formulated based on an agreement that is individual to each. It’s what was agreed upon before entering into the earth platform. So it is then whatever was agreed upon to be discovered while that soul essence was in the body form. And until that discovery, that really, it’s a connection of the dots. so there are people that could be doing what gives them passion. I would say that this podcast gives you passion. I would say that it brings you joy because you want to feel your way through life, and you want to do those things that make you feel happy.

But if you continue to do that, but you didn’t know that you were in acting your purpose, then it’s like doing something that the elders have said happened in a happenchance way. And so it is becoming conscious, which aligns with your Ascension. It’s the conscious awareness that you are doing, what you set out to do. As you do it with awareness, then your consciousness grows because I was asked and I asked for years before I was given the answer to my purpose, but it was because I would ask and forget, and I would ask again and wasn’t my big priority.

And what they’ve said is it must at some point, become the thing that is most important to you. When it becomes the thing, then you think about it all the time. And it doesn’t seem like work because it’s something you could do all day and all night long without ceasing, except that you maybe need to sleep and eat, it’s fulfilling. That’s why you hear people who have all the money in the world, and they don’t feel fulfilled. It’s something that when you leave this life, take with you, because the only thing you can take from this life as the energy that you create.

I get my insights from the elders, but the belief is that these things we’ll all fall into place. Universe wants you to have everything that you ever wanted and more. The original purpose book talks a lot about if there’s nothing else, do these things. Ask for more. Ask for better players, ask for more people, ask for better experiences. So that when you go into that next life, it’s more expansive and abundant than this one. I’m grateful that I have the information- my life would be so different if I didn’t have it.

My purpose is to allow each to have a choice of discovery. If it doesn’t resonate for them, or if it’s not the right time, then that’s their choice, but they need to be able to become aware that there is a choice and that there’s more. They make elections to go about doing those things that will minimize the chance of having to come back again.

Johnny Burke: To minimize the opportunities of having to reincarnate again, probably has a lot to do with knowing to ask the questions. When we talk about the unseen entourage and the great mimickers, and the guardian angels, if we get into the habit of asking for help, please make sure this happens or please, protect my family and friends and let us be prosperous. How do I get to spiritual ground? Is that the best way to connect to them, and actually start to engage with them?

Robyn Locke: Whenever you ask a question, always qualify, because what we asked for is oftentimes through the mind and ego. So whenever one asks you should also qualify for something better still for what universe might give, because universe has a 360 view. We’ve got a view that’s very minimal sometimes. And when we start to open that up, that’s a wonderful thing. So many times people will ask and then go about their business because they don’t expect receive any.

One time I’d asked a question, and there was a little bitty sign right in front of the restaurant where I was going to that said, remember, present moment awareness. And that’s why present moment awareness is so critical because would you see a miracle if it appeared before you? So I was meeting a girlfriend for lunch, and she said, her first thing was, “well, did you see that sign?” and I was like, “what sign?” and I had just asked the question and I wasn’t aware enough at that point to recognize that the answer has been given. it’s when we start working to minimize the engagement of the mind and especially during those moments of contemplate of wonder and meditation, where we allow the meek small voice to come in. So you can set up all sorts of parameters in which to hear the answer. You have to stay alert because as soon as you ask the question and you’re receptive to receive, the answer has come to you.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Robin, thanks so much for joining us today. How can our listeners find you online?

Robyn Locke: I think the best way would go, would be to go to advancedenergetics.org

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