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#95 Holly Duckworth: Wisdom From The Higher Self

November 12, 2022 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Holly Duckworth. She is a psychotherapist, hypnotherapist and author of Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom from The Higher Self. Today, we will be talking about multidimensionality, the nature of eternity and how time is an illusion. Holly, welcome to the show.

Holly Duckworth: Thanks Johnny, my pleasure to be here.

Johnny Burke: You’ve studied with Dolores Cannon to learn about past life regression. What inspired you to do that?

Holly Duckworth: Traged.y I’d received my PhD in in psychology in 2010 and was doing a little bit of Jungian analysis and a whole lot of like corporate organizational development and executive coaching and that kind of thing. So I was in the corporate world. At the time, my 20-year-old son was arrested for DUI. I had never heard of Dolores Cannon, would never have heard of her before. My son was in a situation where he was going to be incarcerated for 21 days. and I couldn’t visit him. No video calls, no actual visits. I could only have an occasional phone call with him.

So in one of our phone calls, he says, “Hey mom, I found this book in jail and I think you’d really like it.’ it was Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe book 4.

I had no idea who Dolores Cannon was, but I go after we hang up, Amazon, click, click just to have something to converse with my son, the next time that we talked, and I get Convoluted Universe Book 4, and I start reading it. And Johnny I’m like, oh, my gosh, everything I’ve ever believed in my entire life, here it is in print. I’ve never seen it in print before. Things like, God is an energy source, not some dude on a cloud with sandals, right? all kinds of quantum physics, things like, time is an illusion. All kinds of things like this were in that book that I had already believed.

Well, so my son gets out of jail in December of 2012 and Dolores was doing a weekend retreat in January of 2013. And so I told my son, “let’s go see her.” And so we did, that was in February. I was in training to be a Q H H T practitioner and I’ve not looked back

Johnny Burke: It seems like it was kind of meant to happen. You were already a psychotherapist at that time?

Holly Duckworth: Yes

Johnny Burke: When your son was in jail, and then you went to see Dolores Cannon in January, then you were literally training by the next month. you mentioned something about Carl Jung. What is it about Carl Jung and the mystical universe? What is the connection there?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. if you think about it, you’re going back to the 1920s. He was a student of Freud, one of the first psychologists or psychiatrists. Back then a psychiatrist was just a medical doctor. If you read Carl Jung’s work with a metaphysical mindset. You’re like, yeah, this dude wasn’t a scientist. He was a metaphysicist.

Johnny Burke: I’ve read some of his work when I started to learn about near-death experiences, somehow it had something to do with Carl Jung I don’t know what the link or the connection was, but now that you mentioned it, it makes a lot of sense. In your experience, you’ve obviously done the training with Dolores Cannon; what have you learned about past lives and reincarnation?

Holly Duckworth: A big part of Dolores Cannon’s quantum healing hypnosis technique, is people come to Q H H T, usually for physical healing. I’ve seen all kinds of physical healing; stage four cancer, autoimmune diseases. Name a kind of physical ailment and we’ve probably seen it removed through QH H T.

A part of that QH H T process is experiencing what I call another life, not a past life. So we use that process really to get the client into the deepest level of altered state of consciousness, of trance that we can. That allows the connection to the higher self then the higher self can then unravel all of them, understanding that we need of the physical manifestation, whether it’s cancer or disease or whatever, that can allow the healing of that experience. It’s a much bigger process than past life regression. It’s a miraculous process of physical healing, but we pivot on past life regression in order to achieve the states of trance that we need to do the healing.

Johnny Burke: Past life regression, as most people know it is kind of removed from Q H H T. You have to kind of drive on that highway. It seems like with the Dolores Cannon method, you go a lot further.

Holly Duckworth: Exactly. And she actually didn’t find out about the healing capacity until she was probably 25 or 30 years into her career. All of her early books are about, using these past life regression situations to do research.

For example, she wrote two books on Jesus, “Jesus and The Essenes” and” They Walked With Jesus.” She had a client who regressed to the rabbi that gave Jesus and John their Bar Mitzvah. And so she researched these historical situations, through the past life regression. And it was only in the late 1990s that she connected to the higher self and was able to witness healing- physical healing through the trance state. That’s when she developed her quantum healing hypnosis technique. She spent the last 10, 15 years of her life doing nothing but that and teaching others how to do that.

Johnny Burke: So you actually met her?

Holly Duckworth: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. Wow. Because now I believe her daughter leads the trainings and is carrying on the tradition. How did she- how did Dolores have a direct conversation with Nostradamus across time?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, she ended up writing three volumes of books on Nostradamus. She was in the middle of an ordinary session on an ordinary day at the office for her, doing her past life regression hypnosis. This was before

QHHT. The client that she was regressing, in his past life experience, he was the secretary that was the scribe for Nostradamus. So the scribe is at work in the offices of Nostradamus and Dolores in her typical unabashed way, she asks the guy who’s the scribe “can we talk to him”?

Johnny Burke: You would have to ask,

Holly Duckworth: Then the scribe starts an intermediary conversation. So finally she ended up working with this client for many, many, many years. And finally, she was able to have the client just, I guess, meld, or assume the consciousness of Nostradamus. What they would do is when they were in session, she would read a Nostradamus quatrain in modern English as translated from ancient 14th century French, then Nostradamus, speaking to her through the client in hypnosis would go, ‘well, that’s not what I meant. I meant, blah, blah, blah.” They spent years working together to correct the translations of all of the quatrains. So that’s the three volumes of work.

Johnny Burke: So she believed she wasn’t like listening to a recording of Nostradamus, she was actually communicating with him?

Holly Duckworth: Exactly. Exactly. We can probably imagine he was in some sort of trance state, because that’s what he did and was connecting to her. That would’ve been the 1980s and one of the funniest stories out of that book was, they’re in this conversation, her, and Nostradamus directly. Yes. In real-time, she said something like, well, she had to go to her doctor later and she didn’t want to be late for her female doctor and Nostradamus stopped her and was like, “what are you talking about?” she said,” yeah, I don’t want to be late for her. Nostradamus was dumbfounded that women could be doctors in the time that he was talking to Dolores. So they would just have like ordinary conversations directly with Nostradamus, yeah.

Johnny Burke: That really is amazing. I wanted to save that for later, but I just, couldn’t wait anymore. Apparently, with her technique, it’s possible to connect beyond the veil, which is not typically reported in past life regression sessions or cases. If that’s true, have you had any direct experience doing something like that?

Holly Duckworth: Well, yeah, every day, so when the person is in trance and experiencing that other person’s life, we don’t always go to the past. We can go to the future. We can go to a simultaneous life. We can go to an eternal life, an energy being, if you will, that resides outside of time. We can go to other planets where the timeline is very different than this timeline from an earth-based timeline. So we go to all kinds of different places with that person in trance, they begin speaking in the first person. They are embodied in that situation. They see sight, they hear sounds, they can smell smells, and they feel the emotions of that person in that other place in time. It is first person- you feel and know everything that that person knows. So we can begin to have these same kinds of conversations like Dolores was having with Nostradamus, for these people in whatever time they’re in.

Johnny Burke: I’m starting to think about how some people go to mediums to try and make contact with the past loved one. Could it be that this technique is- I don’t want to say safer, but it’s an alternative to going to a medium or is it similar?

Holly Duckworth: I think- of course, I’m biased, but I think it’s better because it’s not going through someone else’s filter. Right. You’re experiencing that. I’ll give you an example for myself. In that very first experience I had with Dolores, these were group regressions, so she would have a weekend retreat. There’d be 200 people in a hotel ballroom, and we’d all be going into hypnosis simultaneously. She had different scripts. Sometimes it would be past life. Sometimes it would be future life. Sometimes it would be meeting your spirit guide or get an answer to a question. She had all kinds of different journeys that you could take.

This particular one was past life. I came into that life, it was really funny because I’m looking down, in my mind’s eye, my eyes are closed. I’m having this very intense, imaginative experience in this other life as this other woman. And she was a black woman, I would say probably back in the 19 teens in a large city, maybe, St. Louis or Chicago, and I had a little tiny house. I’m standing in the kitchen and I’m cooking bacon and Johnny, I could smell bacon cooking. In that moment and I had a baby on my hip. I had two daughters, and I had a son in this little, tiny kitchen in my little, tiny house in this urban environment, completely unfamiliar to me. I’ve never lived in a house like that or a city like that. I’ve always lived kind of out in the country. So experiences that were completely foreign to my conscious mind. Yet here they were- I’m in it first person smelling the freaking bacon on the stove.

Johnny Burke: That is amazing.

Holly Duckworth: And simultaneously I know that this baby on my hip, the soul of that baby boy is my husband in this life.

Johnny Burke: Is it just a knowing like a psychic, or a download or something ?

Holly Duckworth: I guess, of course, I went into all of this Dolores experience, totally a skeptic, 100% a skeptic. And this is my first time out of the chute.

I had never had hypnosis before. Never even was interested in it. And here I am having this ridiculously profound experience.

Johnny Burke: Lots of details too.

Holly Duckworth: And layers, layers, and layers of information.

Johnny Burke: Lots of details. Like one man was talking about how he could see the brush strokes on the painting. Bob snow. I think we talked about that. You told me you were skeptical like most people are when they encountered this type of thing. When you were little, did you have any intuitive type experiences, like seeing spirits or? None of that, right?

Holly Duckworth: No, none, none whatsoever. My undergraduate degree is in mechanical engineering, I was always the science nerd, the math nerd kid. My dad’s an engineer. I have brothers that are engineers. Like the whole family is like left brain, analytical engineering people. None whatsoever. I still don’t see auras. I can tap into my higher self, of course, having been regressed and in hypnosis as much as I have now. But, in terms of just general psychic ability, no, absolutely not.

Johnny Burke: It seems like you’ve experienced all kinds of things; past lives, or should we say “other lives, “simultaneous lives, but what about the in-between lives, in between incarnation space? Have you experienced that?

Holly Duckworth: Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of clients go there. I call it the void. The resting place. It’s this place where it’s not light or dark. It’s not black or white. It’s not hot or cold. It’s not good or bad. There’s no body, there’s no emotions. And a lot of people will go there in between lives. The best I can tell is that other beings are there. They’re not in form, they’re energetic. The purpose of that experience is to really heal, and release any sort of trauma or emotions or experiences that need to be released from the inform incarnation. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Have you seen any or experienced any, instances of pre-birth planning,

Holly Duckworth: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Soul contracts, soul family?

Holly Duckworth: Most clients will ask, “do I have any karma that I need to know of any contracts that I need to work on? “in their session, they want to know that for the remainder of their life. Yeah, exactly. And it’s as easy as saying” not going to go there. ” Before embodied, I might have thought that was going to be easy or even capable of doing it. And now it’s not going to happen. Yeah,

Johnny Burke: It’s like an athlete asking for a trade

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing is that almost always we’ve incarnated with our soul family, with other people that have agreements to play the various roles

Johnny Burke: Everybody says that- it’s amazing! It almost seems too good to be true, but everybody that I know that has had experiences of that place says the same thing. That it was like casting a stage play, we’re just playing roles.

Holly Duckworth: One of the most really challenging stories that I’ve run across is, one of my clients, she had a very, very common question; what is my life lesson? What am I here to learn? And then of course, what is my life purpose? That’s the whole point of the book. Her question is, what is my life lesson? And she was at the end of her life. She has a recurrence of brain cancer. She was in her mid-seventies. It was now or never. In terms of what is my life lesson? The higher self said her life lesson was forgiveness.

Well, what we find out is that her father had been one of the most unimaginable abusers to all of his kids, including her- think of a kind of abuse. Yes. That’s what she received at the hands of her father.

And he was actually an Ascended Master. He was like an elder of the soul family.

Johnny Burke: But he came down here to play a role, the elder?

Holly Duckworth: To be an abuser so that she could learn forgiveness. Wow.

Johnny Burke: That’s pretty crazy- you’ve actually experienced the elders. I was going to say the council of elders. Is it true that we don’t get judged when we go there, someone communicates, or some energy communicates as if to ask” how do you think you did?”

Holly Duckworth: Exactly exactly. The whole soul family will get together. Everybody who played a part and go “well, did you get what you wanted?” and then you get to say,” well, yeah, but I missed this one piece of forgiveness. I think I’ll do this again. But the next time I want to learn forgiveness in this other way” or whatever.

Johnny Burke: Do you ever hear silly things like, “well, yeah, I never got the record contract, I never got the supermodel girlfriend “or stupid things? well
that’s good.

Holly Duckworth: No.

Johnny Burke: I had to ask

Holly Duckworth: In, terms of life purpose, that’s one of the things I’ve learned. They do not care what you do. They do care how you be. Your state of being is what’s important, not what you do.

Johnny Burke: So in other words, they don’t care what you do. So if you are a horrible person and lie, cheat, steal, murder, whatever, they don’t care about that?

Holly Duckworth: They do not. As long as you got what you needed. Just a few weeks ago, I had a 16-year-old client come in, which is the youngest we can work with. He goes into his other life experience, and in this life, he’s just the most beautiful, precious, lovely love, full human being. But his other life that we witnessed- and if he wasn’t ready for it, the higher self wouldn’t have shown him this. He was like a 1930s, like Al Capone level gangster and his job in that other life was to kill people , to murder people. He was a hitman.

Johnny Burke: Did he say who he was?

Holly Duckworth: No, we didn’t. go into names. No. But here he is in his next, presumably- if we want to follow timelines, his next incarnation as this beautiful love-full, person.

Johnny Burke: That seems to be in contrast with some other things or principles that we all hear about karma. Let’s take this person, for example, a hitman in Chicago in 1930, whatever, who has killed a bunch of people; doesn’t he have to work that karma off or not necessarily?

Holly Duckworth: Not necessarily, it depends on who he killed and what their prior agreement was, and what was the point of that entire experience

Johnny Burke: So it depends on his role if his role was to do that.?

Holly Duckworth: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: but what about the people that have near-death experiences and it’s really scary. And we find out later on that experience has attributed to they were not very nice people in their life?

Holly Duckworth: I’ve never run into anything like that. One of Dolores’s processes, we very intentionally in QH H T take someone through the death process in that other life. She thought that it was very therapeutic for people. Now, remember, you’re witnessing this life firsthand, you’re smelling the bacon, and now you go through as that other person, the death process. You know firsthand then what the death process is like. And her point was it alleviates like ridiculous amounts of fear because we see how easy the death process is. Her famous quote is, and I see this in almost every case, ” it’s just like getting up from one chair and sitting down in the next, it’s that easy .”

You can imagine in these past life scenarios, all of the hideous ways human beings have died, right? On the battlefield, burned at the stake, beheaded, there’s really, really bad things that humans do to each other in terms of the way we die. I haven’t witnessed a case yet where the soul wasn’t already departed when the body felt the pain. So like on a battlefield or being beheaded or whatever. I’m on the verge of concluding that our soul leaves before all of that physical trauma needs to happen.

Johnny Burke: I can see this would really kind of ruffle the feathers of some of these hardcore Christians because you’re basically giving us license to do pretty much whatever we want, right?

Holly Duckworth: I guess, eventually you’re going to have to figure out all sides of whatever it is that you’re working on. Let’s say for example that client that I was just talking about, whose father was the abuser, and her point in this life was, to learn forgiveness. That was her life lesson. Well, her soul is going to want to understand in this life, that she was the victim of abuse, and she needed to learn to forgive her abuser. In another life, she’s going to have to be the abuser and be forgiven by those that she abused. So if we want to learn forgiveness, we have to learn every single solitary facet of forgiveness, which means playing every single solitary part that is attached to forgiveness.

Johnny Burke: That would make sense with the statement, which again is in the book; “we have to have all experiences.”

Holly Duckworth: We have all been the victim, we’ve all been the villain. We’ve all been the savior. We’ve all been bystander. We have all been everything. So then this idea, this self-righteous, holier than thou, “Well, I’m a good person,” eh, sorry, we’ve all been at all.

Johnny Burke: That will definitely make some folks think that’s for sure. What is an example of a client that experienced future and simultaneous lives in hypnosis; can you, give us an example of that?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Just a few weeks ago I had a client it was the current timeline. It was modern times because she’s describing the cars and the buildings and the people and what they were wearing. If it wasn’t the exact same timeline, it was very similar. And she’s experiencing this other life. The client was a woman in this life and that other life, she was a man and having some sort of experience as an executive. So we’ve gone through this other life scenario. This simultaneous life as some executive. I think he was in Australia, he’s this really powerful CEO type. If it’s current timeline, we do not take that person through the death process because they might not yet be dead.

The first question we always ask the higher self.: Why’d you show her that? Why’d you take her to that life? In this case, she had some prejudices. Her husband was a high-powered executive, like the man that she embodied in this other life. And then she was able to kind of unravel some of the friction and prejudices that she had about her husband through that firsthand witnessing of that other man in the current timeline. When we go to the future, we’ve been to the future on earth. We can go to the future in other places, other planets. Sometimes in other planets, we don’t know if it’s the past, the present, or the future, or outside of time.

Johnny Burke: Outside of time? Okay. That’s probably a whole other episode. What does the future, in whatever instance that your client was in, what does the future of earth actually look like?

Holly Duckworth: I would say that current life seems to be the most complicated that it’s going to be, so when we start looking in the future, things seem to be so much simple. for example, I’ve had clients go to the future and its kind of described as like the Pueblo Native Americans; smaller, apartment-like structures attached to each other, but they’re only two or three stories tall. And then you go inside the structure and there isn’t like furniture because all the furniture is kind of built-in like organically into the walls and such, and a very small community kind of driven thing. I’ve never had anyone experience flying cars.

Johnny Burke: You got to go back 10,000 years in the past to find that, right?
Speaking of which, as we know time, theoretically does not exist. Have you had any experiences with clients going back to like ancient civilizations, where there was an advanced society? can you give us an example of that?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, in fact, I was just doing some video editing today, hoping to share a session. I need to get the client’s permission to share all of the recording and everything, but, Ancient Egypt, of course. Lots of clients go back to Ancient Egypt. They were very much integrated with other planet people, that would come and help and show them technology and do things with them.

This particular client, she went back in ancient Egypt. They would have these, I don’t know why, but they were all young men, and they were trained to allow ET beings’ consciousness to be housed in their bodies. So they were trained to empty themselves of themselves and then allow the ET to come into the body to do things on earth. In this particular instance, it was to do some sort of energy exchange with a priest and a priestess in a ceremony. So my client was the ET that happened to be temporarily resident in this young male body, which the ET found extremely uncomfortable and clunky, and then they went into the ceremony with this priest and priestess

Johnny Burke: Did you ever have any experience of seeing flying machines of any kind in any civilization?

Holly Duckworth: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ships, all manner of ships, spaceships the size of planets. Massive, massive, spaceships all the way down to little, tiny, like one-person spaceships, where you can see through like the entire ship is transparent. Spaceships with control panels.

Johnny Burke: So the obvious question for someone who’s listening to this is probably going to be: That sounds really cool. But how do you know, how does your client know that it’s not just his imagination?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. in the Q H H T process, we don’t care. That’s not the point. I’m a past-life regressionist that doesn’t believe in past lives. So maybe it is the imagination cooking it up. I don’t know. Dolores did a little bit of digging, literally archeological record digging when she was doing her Jesus books to corroborate some of the data. If time doesn’t exist, all lives are now. If we’re all one, we all have access to the Akashic Records. We all have access to the consciousness of everything. So is it my past life? I don’t know. And frankly, to Q H H T it doesn’t matter. All we’re using this other life experience for is to develop a deep enough trance for a very clear conversation with the higher self to do the physical and emotional healing.

Johnny Burke: What it’s designed to do. I have lots of respect for mediums, but this is where the line of demarcation between something like this and mediumship is that the mediumship is not really meant to heal, I don’t think, although I can bring forth certain truths.

Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we use the term healing broadly because back to that same example, what is my life lesson? It’s forgiveness. Well, learning forgiveness is healing, right? It’s the fulfillment of that lesson in this life. And that’s important to this life. And that’s a healing aspect of this life.

Johnny Burke: So fulfilling a purpose does not send you to the pearly gates upon death unless you choose to manifest it. So, okay. I have to ask you this- on the other side, is manifestation instant when you get there?

Holly Duckworth: So it’s a little different. Yes, but-

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told it is

Holly Duckworth: On the other side we don’t need things. In other dimensions, I don’t need food. I don’t need shelter. I’m never cold or hot. So why do I need clothes or air conditioning or roofs over my head? I don’t. So the need for manifestation is much, much, much, less in higher dimensions.

Johnny Burke: Unless you want to see someone, right?

Holly Duckworth: Yeah, but If I’m pure consciousness, I’m never separated from that someone. So I don’t even have to manifest the connection because I’m never not connected.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard it explained quite that way, but again, this is returning the source, returning to oneness. Right?

Talk a little bit about Kelly’s first incarnation in physical form. This was her first incarnation because her soul had always had formless experiences. Apparently, she had incarnated as part of waves of volunteers, which Dolores wrote about in her book, The Three Waves of Volunteers. Tell, tell us about the volunteers.

Holly Duckworth: Universally, at the end of World War II, when humans were figuring out how to do nuclear weapons, the keepers of the universe, the higher up these ascended masters kind of went, “oh, crap, the kids have matches!”

Johnny Burke: Kids have matches.

Holly Duckworth: We are not a very evolved species as humans, by the way.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. I’ve heard that too.

Holly Duckworth: We uncovered matches, but our matches as nuclear weapons had the ability to rip holes through space and time to rip holes way beyond our dimension. There were other parties in the universe that were very, very interested in us not having these kinds of matches. So the call kind of went out to souls that were incarnated in other places and other dimensions, much more evolved souls to come into the earth.

One of the rules of earth and one of the things that makes it such a challenging place is we have free will. We come here, we forget, we go into our separation from source, and we have free will. The point of incarnating on earth is to see what you’re going to do with your free will. They couldn’t just quash the nuclear weapons; they couldn’t just create a timeline where we never did that or whatever. But they couldn’t interfere from the outside because of the law of free will, but they could incarnate as humans and influence the evolution of humanity from the inside out.

So those are the volunteers. Actually, I think we’re up to the fourth wave. Dolores wrote about the first three waves back in 2010 when that book came out and now, I’ve seen some clients that either their children are wave four or very young people, 16, 17, that they are wave four. Over time, these different dimensional beings have incarnated as humans for the express purpose to change the vibrational frequency and the dimensional experience on earth.

Johnny Burke: So we can finally go into the Aquarian Age after we’ve been talking about it for 500 years?

Holly Duckworth: Yes. But for a lot of other places, that’s a blink in time,

Johnny Burke: That’s what I’ve been told. To be continued. All right, Holly, thank you very much for joining us. how can our, listeners find you online?

Holly Duckworth: Sure. So my website is www.awarecaredurango.com and then the book we’ve been referencing today is called Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom From The Higher Self. It’s on Amazon in all formats.

#60 Robyn Locke: Your Life Purpose

March 12, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Life Between Lives, Near Death Experiences

#elders, #guaradianangels, #lifebetweenlives, #lifepurpose, #pastlives, #pureconsciousness, #spiritguides

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Robin Locke. She is a transformation facilitator, energy intuitive and author of the Purpose Brook Trilogy, which was inspired by her work with beings known as the Elders. If you’ve ever wondered why you are here, and what your purpose is, that’s exactly what we’re going to talk about today. Robin, welcome to the show.

Robyn Locke: Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: You had a near-death experience. I believe it was 2006, where you heard a voice asking if you wanted to live , and you were actually given a choice. Tell us a little bit about that.

Robyn Locke: I didn’t share that story for a long time, because I’m not sure how you would term it. And maybe it is a near-death experience. I’ve come to believe that. I was alone in recovery. And I had all these tubes and things attached and I was looking around and just wondering about it all. And I heard a very loud male voice saying very clearly, “do you want to live?” and I said to myself, because I couldn’t speak at that point. I had a tube down my throat, and I said, or thought to myself, I don’t know. I knew what I was up against was going to be a long recovery. And I had just kind of gotten through having graves’ disease and then having a really significant nine out of 10 level pain.

I knew what was before me would be somewhat challenging. And I honestly just didn’t know. And so they ended up putting me into a very small room because they thought at one point that I’d had a heart attack, which I didn’t feel like I had, but they felt like they had to take all precautions. So they put me in this little room, and I was hooked up to all sorts of things. It wasn’t until the next morning that I woke up and all my vitals started to jump because I knew that I wanted to live. It was, an allowing, that I was given a choice. In that circumstance when you can’t speak, I believe that probably a lot of times you don’t remember having that experience. But it was an incredible experience, and it took me about two and a half years of recovery to get back to where I’d been before. It was an amazing experience; it was the elders who asked me. I didn’t know at that time, I didn’t know anything more than what I heard, and can still hear it clearly in my head today.

Johnny Burke: What’s interesting about this is that the definition of a near-death- experience or an NDE as we know, it, seems to be morphing where the experiencers don’t necessarily have to flatline in order to reach that state. You mentioned the elders. A lot of us have heard talk about the council of 12, the council of elders, which I believe comes from the life between live space that our Dr. Michael Newton talked about in his books. Are they one in the same, or might this group of elders be something different?

Robyn Locke: So what happened was around 2000 7, 8, 9. I’d have to look up in my journal to see when it was. I started getting up early in the morning, like I do today, and I would pose questions, more philosophical questions and personal questions at that point. And would seek answers more expansive answers, I would write them all down. So at that point I was writing and journaling and, at one point along the way I asked, “what am I to call you?” I was given” the elders” and I chuckled, and I said, “that sounds so formal, can we have a less formal name? Is that okay? they said”, it will do for now, and that’s how you can refer to us.” I do not believe it is the same council that you’ve referred to. these are many beings, in the hundreds and it’s almost a community of sorts. What happens is I’ll get bursts of energy, bursts of information. Then I give that in response to what is being asked. So it is more or less like a bridge of communication from the physical realm.

Johnny Burke: To the nonphysical?

Robyn Locke: Exactly

Johnny Burke: You may be describing what other people describe as spirit guides, guardian angels.

Robyn Locke: There’s a difference. In this experience, these beings have given their awareness or their understanding as being pure consciousness, infinite awareness. I always use capitalization when I talk about that and write about it. And there’s a description on the advanced energetics website that talks about them. It’s what they gave me as the definition of who they are. Spirit guides, guardian angels. and the like, are talked about in the third purpose trilogy book, which has not yet been released. Typically you have between four and six beings that are not the same, but they are an energetic key to the one that they are with so that when you pray, when you sit in meditation, when you sit in a contemplative moment, and you can still the mind long enough to receive what is given, they are the ones who respond typically to a lot of the requests that you might have.

Johnny Burke: Is there some kind of hierarchy of light beings, for lack of a better description between the spirit guides and the angels and the elders?

Robyn Locke: That I can’t directly answer. If you’d like to have the elders respond to any of these questions, I’m glad to step aside and let them respond. I do know that when you incarnate, people refer to beings that have passed as entities. Entities that have incarnated, sometimes they have more that they want to say from the lifetime from which they’ve just passed. So there is not the full knowledge. There is not the full awareness when you’re in that state of having left the body. Because when you pass from the body, you carry with you your beliefs. That’s why beliefs are so important. I have to digress and just share a little story that came to my awareness yesterday.

I had a good friend who won’t read or listen to any of my writings or any of our writings and understandings, because she’s very devoted to Jesus and Christianity. And I don’t feel that it’s being disrespectful to Jesus, but that’s her choice. That is how she feels. So I asked yesterday if she’d ever read The Secret and what she thought about it. She thought it was a great book and she really liked the insightfulness of it. I said, well, that’s interesting because that book was insights that were given to the author when she traveled on a cruise ship with Esther Hicks and Abraham. those insights are similar insights that I receive from the Elders And so there’s such a stigma sometimes,

Johnny Burke: Yes, there is.

Robyn Locke: I do understand because I was at the same caliber years ago, and I didn’t want insights from entities, because I thought entities didn’t have the full 360 view that you might from something of a higher level. So in response to your question, I would say that yes, there is pure consciousness, infinite awareness that are those who have not embodied, although I’ve been told that some of the elders have, but not many. But the majority of them have never embodied. And so they hold the full awareness before entering into physical form.

And so from that regard, there is a little bit of a distinction, and I don’t think it’s that one is higher than the other, more that is, filtering of the mind and when the mind doesn’t understand something, which when you get into this work, it really doesn’t comprehend much of this, if any of it. And so what the mind does is it blocks what it doesn’t understand, and it judges, in that judgment, it will block what it doesn’t understand. It will compartmentalize many things that you might, or that a listener might otherwise embrace.

So to a degree it’s pushing through and reminding the mind that it does not control the awareness that resides within this physical vessel. So it’s a retraining in many regards that many of us, me included, are in a mind game most of the time, because we weren’t trained earlier in our youth, by our parents or those who raised us. Or those who taught us that we are not our minds. We are not our thoughts. And so we have been left to kind of sometimes flounder a bit and allow the mind to control many of the things that we do and so moving through all of this, it’s really garnering and gathering and awareness and a new perspective that you control what thoughts you think, you control what you bring into your awareness, and you control the positive or negative things that. you continue to focus upon. It’s all a choice

Johnny Burke: You had mentioned earlier. you didn’t have the complete answer to one of my questions and you offered to step aside and let the elders answer the question. Now, is that more of a telepathic communication or is it more of a clairaudient thing where you actually hear a voice saying the answer is this or here’s the answer? How does that work?

Robyn Locke: So it’s almost, like a burst of energy that I get. I hear it in my own voice. And I’ve learned over time to trust what I’m given. And I connect and connected prior to this time. it’s just a rather seamless thing, but I find that it’s better for me not to speculate because then I’m getting into a judgment that I may not know.

I can give you my best guess, that there is not really the hierarchy as you’re defining it and seeing it, that we’re all from source energy. And so we are the connection of the one. And so it’s just a matter that we’ve come into this body vessel, and we’ve experienced this life in the way that we needed the mind, we needed the ego. But to know that when we have properties, such as the mind and ego, that we don’t have the full awareness because the mind blocks what we might otherwise intrinsically know.

Johnny Burke: So the distinction that you made earlier between an entity that did incarnate and some of the light beings, some of the elders and other groups that have not incarnated, has more of a 360 view. Whereas the entities that have been here don’t have that 360 view.

Robyn Locke: I believe that’s correct, because what happens is when you pass from this life, you bring with you everything that you believe currently. And so when you get to the other side, in the first chapter of the original book, they call it transition in between And behind the scenes. So three different, more or less areas, which I believe are much more in depth, but I got more of the overview of those areas.

so what happens is when you pass, you get reinforced with everything that you believed while physically placed, but what you believed may have been partially true. but universe says, if you believe those things, then we want to make you comfortable and feel that you’re in a good space. We want to reinforce what you believe. And universe also says, if you did not believe the full measure of what was really available, you had the free world choice while in the body to look for more. in a way it’s a diminishment where they say that what you believe isn’t real and isn’t true. it’s a minimization of the belief that you held, and it’s a relinquishing of the freewill that you had to choose what you chose to believe. So when you get insights, perhaps sometimes from a loved one, what you don’t know is, is whether or not that response is truly from The loved one, or from one of your guides, because they’ve also referred to the guides as the great mimickers.

Johnny Burke: The great mimicker. I wanted to ask you about that because that’s one term I’ve never heard before.
where did the term come from?

Robyn Locke: Well, it’s your guardian angels, your support group and what they often refer to as your unseen entourage could offer insights to you, guidance and direction all day long. But if you’re trapped in the mind and in a mind game, you won’t see any of that. a miracle could fall before you and would you see the miracle that was there if you’re thinking about something in your mind? And so when you’re receptive, when you’re at that place where you’re at the crossroads, where adversity has perhaps occurred, and you’re looking for answers now you’re receptive to receive and maybe an aunt died, or maybe a father or close relative. Or maybe someone that you grew up with and you feel like they’re around. perhaps it’s your unseen entourage who mimics the vibrational energy that they held so that they can reach you at a very deep and intrinsic level to give you answers that you seek.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like the great mimickers are almost like amplifiers.

Robyn Locke: it’s the guardian angels. It’s the unseen entourage or invisible entourage. All synonymous one with the other, just different ways to refer to those same beings that are there to support your life because that group is with you in the in-between time. So when you go into that in between time, it’s critical. In my opinion, that you always ask for more, because I get the distinct sense that when you’re in that space, you’re more or less guided into the next incarnation. And I was told that you always have a choice, that everything is a choice, but yet there’s almost the preponderance that you’re going into another life experience. And it’s almost as if you are directed beyond having that freewill elective. In other words, you know, that you have to return.

the reason I believe that many have taken a body is to experience their purpose. And so that’s the reason that the rounds continue, because we entered into some, know it as a soul contract. I was told it’s an agreement that you wanted to experience. So if you start as spiritual essence, and you take on a soul in order to encapsulate that spiritual essence into the body form, so you have a soul and that soul did not need to occur. You didn’t need to have a soul when you were spiritual essence, you only needed the soul when you wanted to come into the body to have the experience. So that’s why you hear people say that it’s so important to feel, or that’s why I hear from the elders all the time that you should feel your way through this life. And so it’s how you feel and that’s what you wanted to experience. So if you want to do experience, mine is service. And if you wanted to experience service, then to experience something that is less than being of service. So you’re deceitful, you lie, you cheat steal, you do whatever you can do to, to,

Johnny Burke: To experience that.

Robyn Locke: to accomplish what you want, but is that being of service to anyone? If you’re lying to someone, how are you serving them? my first and original incarnation was talked about in the, What If Book of What Is, and in that first chapter, it discusses how this young child was representing people who were Oracles, and who were supposedly giving great insights to the people that they served. When she discovered during an announcement of one that she was introducing, that they were being less than truthful, and it took her breath away and she realized that she was complicit with the falsities that they were sharing because she’d been introducing them. She’d been supporting them. She had been totally unaware until, you know how sometimes you piece together something as you’re talking and all of a sudden you start at one place and by the time you finished, you’re like,” oh wait, that doesn’t make sense.”? That’s what happened to her And so it actually took her out of embodiment, because she asked to no longer live. When the elders came to her, she said no, that she did not want to live. so they knew

Johnny Burke: She wanted to transition. In other words.

Robyn Locke: So she felt that there was no way that anyone would believe that she didn’t know that they were just not trustworthy and not of the caliber of who they said that they were. So when the elders went to her in that very first life experience, she said no that she did not want to live. And so they knew when they came and asked me in this lifetime that there was a great chance that I, would not want to continue. And I’m so grateful that I had a different response. The point of that story is knowing the full depth of what it was that you wanted to experience. So if you want to experience service, you must also know what it means to not be of service.

Johnny Burke: Could not agree more. And this is why it gets really confusing. You had mentioned the in-between space where, we enter into the life contracts and pick our soul family which makes reincarnation kind of a no-brainer because you talk about past lives and incarnations. What I think some people don’t get is that when someone chooses to be someone who is serving self of serving others, could it be that they need to understand both sides of it in order to grow spiritually and, keep going up the rungs of the Ascension ladder.

Robyn Locke: what I’m understanding is that the only one that each can make an assessment on is themselves. We don’t know if someone came in to be this negative polarizing person in an agreement that they made with someone so that they would have a certain type of experience, because sometimes you need a partnership like that to get the full expanse of something that you did not understand. What I’m understanding in a deep way is that sometimes we form these partnerships, and we make them more troublesome and more complex and more laborious and more frequent than we need to. It’s almost as if you get into that space in between lives and you think you’ve found it. So the next time you come in, you want a really hard life. So you can show that you can overcome it all. And what the elders said in that space was that is unnecessary.

Johnny Burke: So it’s not necessary.

Robyn Locke: If you had one experience why do you need four experiences?

Johnny Burke: Now it gets even more confusing, but I guess this is all part of a never-ending quest of, why are we here? What is our purpose? And, speaking of which, your books talk about, the life purpose and the original purpose. Why is the original purpose key to returning back to the reality that we knew before living here on earth? What’s the difference?

Robyn Locke: The life purpose is like a spoke on the wheel. We have an original purpose that is the wheel, and each life has a component of the original one, but it’s not the full or complete understanding that we sought to know. In this lifetime, my life purpose is truth. And so in order to know truth, you must know deceit, intrigue, treachery. You must know some things that are not truth, but I’ve had four at least very significant occurrences of deceit, intrigue, and treachery in big ways. What the elders share is that wouldn’t one significant occurrence be enough?

Johnny Burke: Right. So you don’t have to keep doing it over and over again?

Robyn Locke: Right. I think sometimes what happens is we think we figured it out. So that’s why it’s really important to know that when you pass from this life, that you do not know all. That, you know what you believe. From this life and that truth and understanding is carried with you to that in between time. I believe that a lot of people think that when they get into that space, and because they’re reinforced with everything that they believed that, that what they believed was just and right and true. So that they do have the full understanding of the belief. But what I’m suggesting is that perhaps they have part of the belief correct. And part of it that’s not so correct. And there will not be a distinguishing factor. But the good news is, you don’t have your mind and you don’t have ego filtering. all of this because what happens, is people ask for confirmations to get that understanding, but they asked from the mental space as opposed to the heart space. And when you ask for a mental confirmation, you will get a mental confirmation. You won’t get a Heart Space confirmation and they’re different, because ego likes to be right. Ego likes to know that they’ve already got all the answers and now they just need to ride out their time to see if they were right. And then when they get to that space, they get affirmed that they were absolutely correct.

Universe gives that reinforcement because they want the life stream to feel comfort in the pace of the transition. And it’s the way universe works, because if you really wanted to know the real truth, you would have asked, and you would have asked again. But it’s from this space, the heart and not the head that you need to elicit those confirmations because the others will lead you to have partial truths. Then you have a partial deck to play with when you’re your next life.

Johnny Burke: That would imply that when you do get to the in-between space, your beliefs that you carry with you from your past lifetime Can I actually get in the way or not?

Robyn Locke: It’s your beliefs from this embodiment that carry forward with you now, what carries? Let’s just say the personality that was a part of the soul that I have attached to this vessel now. So that first embodiment experienced something that caused them to not want to live. And it was not discerning correctly, who they were representing. So in that first lifetime, from that choice to transition and energy matrix was created.

I went through a past life regression with a friend who led me through that. And when I connected to that time, I could see her huddled against a wall on the roadside. And tears just started like a waterworks flowing down. I wasn’t crying, but it just was an unstoppable flow of tears. So she immediately said,” okay, now let’s go to another lifetime where we have a happier occurrence” because she didn’t really know what was happening to me. And I remembered saying at that point, ” no, I must connect to this one and give her comfort and love.” And when I went and energetically embraced her the energy.

That this personality that was within the matrix had been created, it held the vibratory pattern of what had gone on. And she had held, even though she was 19, when she passed, she held a lot of energy. And so when I made that connection and I chose to feel what she was feeling, in essence, it released this unbelievable amount of energy. I’ve never felt anything like it, it was incredible. The energy was the property of my soul essence. Over time that energy was allowed then to go back into the soul. So the point of all of that is that we’re meant to regain the wholeness of all of them. The way to do it was that discernment issue followed me or followed the personalities that were a part of the soul in every embodiment after that. Because what happened was there was a fracturing of that soul essence. And the what’s been explained to me is a way to minimize that was actually to allow the soul to transition because maybe the fracturing would get bigger and bigger because there was such a despondency from this child that she did not want to live. And so discernment until this embodiment has always been an issue.

I believe that many souls who came in for the very first embodiment, didn’t realize what they were getting into here. You feel things much more significantly so when you come in almost in a naive sort of way, and all of a sudden feel some of these things. It has caused a lot of those who thought that they could come in and go out and do all of this understanding rather quickly, it trapped them. And they became immersed in the energy that was here. When you become more consciously aware, then you realize that you have things that need to become integrated back into your soul. And you can do that by being a steward of what’s going on within your own life.

Johnny Burke: So it seems that just being able to ask the questions, asking the universe, what do I need to work on? So I don’t have to keep reincarnating and coming back here again and again, am I going to live my life? Yeah. Do I really want to come back here? If I can help it? Probably not.

I’ve been told several times by people that have been on the show, that earth is a pretty harsh world compared to some of the other worlds that are out there. And when many of these people talk about reincarnation and going into that in-between space that we were just talking about, they are often given the choice, instead of going here, you can go there because earth is really harsh.

If there’s one great takeaway from this discussion, can we agree that just simply knowing or acknowledging that, there are some things I want to work on. How do I get there? I don’t want to talk about the religion thing now, but whoever you go to for spiritual guidance, is that enough? Instead of reincarnating a thousand times, maybe the times we need to reincarnate is minimized or is that neither here nor there?

Robyn Locke: So I would say, the first thing would be, is to ask, do you feel that you have a purpose. If you ask through your heart space, does that resonate for you? Then I’m going to say that you have a purpose. And then I would say that the purpose was formulated based on an agreement that is individual to each. It’s what was agreed upon before entering into the earth platform. So it is then whatever was agreed upon to be discovered while that soul essence was in the body form. And until that discovery, that really, it’s a connection of the dots. so there are people that could be doing what gives them passion. I would say that this podcast gives you passion. I would say that it brings you joy because you want to feel your way through life, and you want to do those things that make you feel happy.

But if you continue to do that, but you didn’t know that you were in acting your purpose, then it’s like doing something that the elders have said happened in a happenchance way. And so it is becoming conscious, which aligns with your Ascension. It’s the conscious awareness that you are doing, what you set out to do. As you do it with awareness, then your consciousness grows because I was asked and I asked for years before I was given the answer to my purpose, but it was because I would ask and forget, and I would ask again and wasn’t my big priority.

And what they’ve said is it must at some point, become the thing that is most important to you. When it becomes the thing, then you think about it all the time. And it doesn’t seem like work because it’s something you could do all day and all night long without ceasing, except that you maybe need to sleep and eat, it’s fulfilling. That’s why you hear people who have all the money in the world, and they don’t feel fulfilled. It’s something that when you leave this life, take with you, because the only thing you can take from this life as the energy that you create.

I get my insights from the elders, but the belief is that these things we’ll all fall into place. Universe wants you to have everything that you ever wanted and more. The original purpose book talks a lot about if there’s nothing else, do these things. Ask for more. Ask for better players, ask for more people, ask for better experiences. So that when you go into that next life, it’s more expansive and abundant than this one. I’m grateful that I have the information- my life would be so different if I didn’t have it.

My purpose is to allow each to have a choice of discovery. If it doesn’t resonate for them, or if it’s not the right time, then that’s their choice, but they need to be able to become aware that there is a choice and that there’s more. They make elections to go about doing those things that will minimize the chance of having to come back again.

Johnny Burke: To minimize the opportunities of having to reincarnate again, probably has a lot to do with knowing to ask the questions. When we talk about the unseen entourage and the great mimickers, and the guardian angels, if we get into the habit of asking for help, please make sure this happens or please, protect my family and friends and let us be prosperous. How do I get to spiritual ground? Is that the best way to connect to them, and actually start to engage with them?

Robyn Locke: Whenever you ask a question, always qualify, because what we asked for is oftentimes through the mind and ego. So whenever one asks you should also qualify for something better still for what universe might give, because universe has a 360 view. We’ve got a view that’s very minimal sometimes. And when we start to open that up, that’s a wonderful thing. So many times people will ask and then go about their business because they don’t expect receive any.

One time I’d asked a question, and there was a little bitty sign right in front of the restaurant where I was going to that said, remember, present moment awareness. And that’s why present moment awareness is so critical because would you see a miracle if it appeared before you? So I was meeting a girlfriend for lunch, and she said, her first thing was, “well, did you see that sign?” and I was like, “what sign?” and I had just asked the question and I wasn’t aware enough at that point to recognize that the answer has been given. it’s when we start working to minimize the engagement of the mind and especially during those moments of contemplate of wonder and meditation, where we allow the meek small voice to come in. So you can set up all sorts of parameters in which to hear the answer. You have to stay alert because as soon as you ask the question and you’re receptive to receive, the answer has come to you.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Robin, thanks so much for joining us today. How can our listeners find you online?

Robyn Locke: I think the best way would go, would be to go to advancedenergetics.org