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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Jock Brocas; he is an evidential medium ,publisher of the Paranormal Daily News, author of Deadly Departed and host of a podcast bearing the same name. Today we will be talking about the positive connection as well as the dangers of afterlife communication. Jock, welcome to the show. 
 
 

Jock Brocas: Johnny, thanks. Thanks for inviting me. It’s great to be here! love your background, by the way. It’s really kind of mystical 
 
 

Johnny Burke: Energy. Yes. So last time we spoke, it was during a hurricane watch here in South Florida, but it’s much calmer today. It’s a nice 72 degrees, so, with your background, which is quite varied, and deep, you seem to have always experienced spirit direct, and you are aware of angelic forces from a young age. What was that like? 
 
 

Jock Brocas: I was, and a lot of mediums, a lot of psychics that are coming up, they always say, “yeah, I was psychic. I was a medium since I was a child “and everything else. I don’t want to give the same cliche because everybody else seems to do that, but I was very, very spiritual since I was a child. My uncle was a monk. I spent much in my youth in the monastery. I wanted to be a priest, but I always was a bit of a troublemaker as well because I always asked questions. “Well that, doesn’t it fit father,” and “I’ve been studying X, Y, and Z” and, I think I drove them nuts with the questions that I had, but I had a lot of experiences that I couldn’t explain and I couldn’t put a label on them, Johnny, I couldn’t say that’s a Mediumistic experience and that’s a psychic experience. I was young. I just knew that these experiences were not what other people would have normally. So until later on in life when I could actually study it or put a label on them, I just thought it was part of my kind of spiritual connection and things. 
 
 

But I remember when I tried to speak to different priests and nuns and things about the experiences that I was having, it was, like,” oh, keep away. The devil will try and get you.” At one point I had a mini exorcism done for me, and it was later on in life, I promised my mother that I would go down to the monastery and see the rector. And he did a little mini blessing exorcism over me. And I was really crapping myself because I didn’t know if it was actually going to work or not. So, yeah, I always had those experiences.  
 
 

I always knew there was divine presence there and I saw spirit; I remember a time back in the monastery when I remember seeing an old monk, an old priest from when I was up in the attics. And I mentioned it the next day and they were like, no, show me a picture of him. And it turns out that that person had actually passed in 17 hundreds or something, or 18 hundreds. And I didn’t know at the time Then I had the big lectures and, about what’s good and what’s bad , and I couldn’t understand it because I was like,” well, I’m in a holy place. Why would there be something bad coming into your holy place?” again, my questioning.  
 
 

I always had a spiritual drive since I was young and I can’t put a finger on why I just had that spiritual drive.  I just always was like that. I used to set up altars and God knows everything else in my room  and praying when people were out playing football and going down the woods, fishing and things like that. I was praying and studying. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: At a young age. It’s interesting. What you said about mediums, many of them do say they were able to see, and sense spirits at usually a very young age. Five or six years old, maybe up until about nine or 10. And then they try to become young adults and either they are told to repress it or they have the urge themselves that this is not proper, so I’m not going to really even acknowledge it. Now the spirit that you saw in the rectory, was that leftover energy or was it an earthbound spirit, or did you have no idea? 
 
 

Jock Brocas: I don’t think it was a residual energy. I actually think it was a visitation. It may have been orchestrated to actually wake me up a bit more when I was younger. That’s from, thinking in hindsight. There is a belief that would say that that’s probably residual energy playing its part in passing over. But for me, thinking back, I do believe that that would be more of a visitation than anything else. Because if it was residual energy, it wouldn’t be able to intellectually recognize or communicate in any sort of way. But I remember when that happened, there was an intellectual connection because the spirit saw me ,smiled and then went on.  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: So there was a connection,  
 
 

 Jock Brocas: There was a connection, there was an intelligent connection, whereas a residual energy there’s no really intelligent connection there. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: It’s like a tape loop, right?  
 
 

 Jock Brocas: Yeah, it’s like, Gettysburg , and even battlefields in Scotland, these residual energies will play over and over again. Like a tape but I think when there’s an intelligence behind the phenomena that warrants more investigation. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: I would agree. Speaking of spirits, have you had experience with spirit guides, either yours or the sitters? 
 
 

Jock Brocas: I’ll tell you a really funny story. So as I’m young, developing medium, I remember, trying to make connections and things with my spirit guide, I’m a very scientific person. If it doesn’t hit me, slap in the face and say, Hey! I don’t tend to believe it. So I remember one day, when my wife and I ran our church in Scotland, we were doing a demonstration in a theater. I was so desperate to meet my spirit guide and I had demands. So I used to go jogging around this place called Tire Bagger in Aberdeen, and there was a particular place that I would sit down, have a little meditation, and I remember. 
 
 

I was like”, right now listen to me. I don’t want n, ifs, no buts, don’t mock me around, I want a sign and this is what I want. I want a white butterfly and I want it to land on my lap. Right. And if it doesn’t land them a lap, then this is just all crap, I’m not going to believe it. I came out of the meditation and there was nothing. There were dragonflies, there were midges, there were flies, there was everything. I was really despondent, and I started questioning really deeply, whether it was true or not. So I was driving down the highway and there’s a massive roundabout, and as I’m driving down to the roundabout, this white butterfly flies, lands right in the windscreen. I’m not going fast. Anything else would’ve probably crushed it, but it didn’t, it landed right on the windscreen. And it stayed there right in front of my eyes. I got so much of a shock that I actually mounted the roundabout and mounted the other side and ended up on the wrong side of the road because I was so shocked at what happened. 
 
 

I remember later when we were in church, my wife ran the church and she’s a phenomenal medium as well. She actually gave me a message from Spirit and said that white butterfly, that was for you, and it was sent and everything had collated into this pattern in this story. The moral of it is, be careful what you ask for, because you might just get it, but not in the way that you expect it. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: Not in the way you could expect. And that’s in the book, isn’t it?  
 
 

Jock Brocas: Yeah. That’s in the book. And then the second time that I met the team or my spirit guide that I work with now. We were in the home circle in, Scotland. I went out basically and went into trance, not knowing that I was going into trance. And these intelligences came through and spoke and gave evidence. and when I came out, I didn’t believe any of it. I thought it was a load of crap. The circle we did at the time went and researched it and found that evidence. And then there was more evidence that happened over a period of a number of weeks where I then started to develop a really closer relationship with my guides.  
 
 

I learned that you don’t just accept anything from guides. Because I’m very skeptical myself. I wasn’t just going to accept anything. So there was a period of many years of me developing really strong bonds with my spirit team and testing them as much as me being tested. But the biggest opening phase for me was really when I went in a trance condition, which, I didn’t realize I was going to do, and they came through in front of witnesses and gave the information which built up over a period of time. I teach a lot of classes and things about guides, and I tend to try and get people to think more along the skeptical lines and not just accept anything as reality without first testing it. 
 
 

 You have to be able to discern who it is that you’re communicating on the other side with even with guides. Too many young mediums or even, mediums that have been doing it for a while, tend to move into this whole guide worship thing. And that’s very dangerous, right? because guides can be wrong. We know that certain well-known spirit guides back in the day got things wrong. They’re fallible,  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that. It’s interesting  
 
 

Jock Brocas: I think it was a discourse with Red Cloud in one of the circles. Where they had said that World War II wouldn’t happen, and lo and behold it happened. And we have evidence of other spirit guides coming through, and giving information that didn’t quite actually pan out. We’ve got to understand because man has free will, they’re still developing over there as much as we are here and man’s free will can change a direction or something. 
 
 

Spirit guides aren’t 100% going to be right all the time. And that’s why it’s very dangerous to just to get into this guide worship. The other thing is that you don’t actually know if you’re talking to a nice spirit guide or a really bad bugger who’s to be one.  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: You’re reading my mind. I was just about to ask you about that because I want to talk about some of the dangers, but also some of the good things, like the bit about Big Al, which I definitely want to get to, but I think it’s important for people to know that there are dangers, there are spirits that don’t, have our best interests in mind, which kind of goes back to what we were all taught in catechism classes. They were maybe half right, but they had a point. Talk about that a little bit and what some of the dangers are and what you use for protection.   
 
 

 Jock Brocas: Let’s talk about protection first of all. In my book, Deadly Departed, I talk about don’t run about with woo-woo sticks. Don’t run about with crystals here that are going to protect you from potential negative intelligences. That isn’t going to happen, and don’t run about with sage incense and think that you’re going to thwart a demon and it is just not going to happen because they are thousands and thousands and thousands of years more intelligent than you. That’s about cleansing energy and purifying energy and yes, when a vibration is higher, it’s not going to attract as much. 
 
 

But we also got to remember that there’s a karmic law and there’s a lower balance. There’s cause and effect. If the wave created karma, we now have duality, so we have good and we have evil. The reality is that we only know health because we know ill health. We only know light because we know dark. You can’t just think that everything in the spirit world is rosy and that everything is going to be clouds and golden harps and it- it just doesn’t happen like that. There are evil intelligences that exist and yes, there’s many even grounded spirits that will act in maybe a malevolent way. But as much as there are so much beauty and so much love, we only understand love, Johnny, because we know what hate is. 
 
 

 Everybody thinks divine law is all about the law. Love is what operates universe. That’s a sub-law because every one of those laws has to work in the relationship and in harmony to other divine laws, right? You know, reciprocation, responsibility, the law of love, law of forgiveness. These are all sub-laws that man had an idea maybe come from different scriptures or Buddhist philosophy, Catholicism. but if we understand what is the main divine law that exists in the whole of the universe, there is only one and that’s the law of balance. Balance and harmony. Because if we have balance in harmony, it means that there’s actual perfect stillness, there’s resonance. And in that perfect stillness, there’s no duality. There’s no need to understand love and hate. It doesn’t exist when we have duality. It goes to show that we have two polar opposites, so everything is not perfect love on the spirit world, there is polar opposites. They are still governed by divine law; a demon is still governed by divine law or malevolent intelligence. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: That was an aha moment for me when I read about that; I have it written down.” All evil is controlled by divine law” and I’ve never heard that. And here’s another quote:” exorcisms are not driving out evil but commanding the entities under spiritual authority and binding them into oath.” 
 
 

 Jock Brocas: Yes, that’s true. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: You don’t follow any dogma or any manmade religion but you often phrase everything, in a religious context. Is that to make it easier for us to understand? 
 
 

Jock Brocas: I would say, yeah, as I said in the book, I was brought up, Catholic, right?  I went to study the priesthood in going to seminary, and, and I spent most of my youth in the monastery, although I’ve had a lot of opportunities to be with Buddhists, I’ve prayed in Muslim mosques. I’ve prayed in synagogues.  I’ve done the whole gamut. but one thing I’ll say is the Catholic church has put more, let’s just say more effort, more finances if you like, they’ve put more into understanding that realm. 
 
 

 The Catholic church doesn’t have the be-all and end all, and understanding of exorcisms, Buddhism has its own, Native Americans have their own way of dealing with negatives. I tend to like to use the term malevolent intelligence because it then opens up to no particular dogma, but an understanding of malevolent intelligence within out of this world, out of the material world. The reason that I stuck to the Catholic Church is because it’s easier to explain it to people in that way. For instance, the Catholic church, got the movie, the Exorcist. It’s connected to the Vatican and the Catholic Church, and so the Catholic Church understands it probably at a deeper level because of the amount of resources and study and what they’ve done over the years. So I think it’s a good platform to be able to teach it for people to understand it.  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: so in other words, you don’t have to really be religious to understand and acknowledge the divine.  This brings me to the next question since we are talking about the divine, Jesus Christ: do you believe in him as well as the other ascendant masters like Buddha ?and there are quite a few of them. The reason I bring that up is that many of the people that come onto the show, as speakers will say I’m not religious, but I believe in Yogananda, I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe in Buddha, and I think Gandhi was on another level and so on.  
 
 

Jock Brocas: Let me change it. Let me say I don’t believe in any of them, right? And I’m going to shock you. I’m going to say, I know them. Because if I say I believe in them, it implies that I’m believing in another’s perception. It implies that I may not have experience. I don’t live an experiential existence, and I have no experience with them. So if I say believe, someone says”, you must believe in Jesus. You must believe in Budda. Let’s look at the dharma.” I know they existed, and I know they have divinity within them, and I have come to a place of acceptance of them within my journey. 
So yes, I accept Jesus. Yes, I accept the Buddha. And the same way is I create a divine connection with whomever I connect with, or I feel that I resonate with, so I won’t, I won’t jump in and say I believe in them. I’ll say I know them. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: Have you had any contact with those type of beings? 
 
 

#101 Jock Brocas: There are a lot of mediums that we’ll say they channel Jesus and the Channel Mary, and y channel Buddha, I will say no, I’m going to be honest because I’m very skeptical. I’m very scientific. Why would Jesus just come and talk to me ? and people might say, “well, he was a carpenter and he can just choose a normal person.” But I believe that if I’m holding a flower in my hand or I’m seeing a child, talking to Jesus, ain’t I talking to the divine? Do I need to put a label in an attachment to that experience? No. So I will say that no, I haven’t had direct experience with them communicating with me in heaven, visions of them. Yes. I’ve seen in my meditations, these beings. I’ve had interventions in my own life that has saved my life from divine beings and my wife. I had a near-death experience  that I don’t write a book about. And that was through a car crash. And I don’t shout about that either. 
 
 

 What I’ll say is that the divine is in everyone, and the divine is in everything. And the Holy Spirit animates every single living force, animates every throat, animates, everything that’s in this planet animates every aspect of your being. It is the same divine force that flows through you. So in that respect, I’ve met all of them and every one of them, because I’m connected to all of them and every one of them.  
 
 

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about angels. Speaking of the divine, I think this is a prayer: ” through Archangel Michael, I ask for protection and guidance in my daily life.” there are probably several others. So you obviously believe in angels as well. 
 
 

 Jock Brocas: My wife is pretty much more of an expert on angels than I am. But I do believe in angels, but at the same time, we think that angels are connected to Christianity. We think that angels are connected to religion, but they’re not. They’re beings of light and they’re connected to all things. Right? You recognize a hierarchy of angelic powers through ancient writings in, the Book of Raziel. From Dionysus and understanding how the breakdown is. And that gives us an element of understanding the way we can talk about the choirs, principalities, thrones, guardian angels, whatever it is. But for me, an angelic being is a being of light, a being that’s animated, direct from the divine. And yes, while I would say prayers to Archangel Michael, because I know the history of that prayer and the consciousness that goes with it, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that a Native American’s prayer is any less powerful or that a Buddhist prayer is any less powerful. 
 
 

 I think also in the belief in angels, in the angelic forces, it gives us comfort to know that there are angelic forces there that look after us but again, there are good angels and there are bad angels. So we still got polar opposites here because if we look at history or we look at some of the ancient texts and things we can talk about the split in heaven and, we even have polarity in that aspect as well. Angels are not to be worshiped. They are in servitude to the divine and to serve whatever job they’ve been given to serve man. So, yeah, I do believe in angels, but I believe there’s good and there’s bad. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: is it enough for us common folk just to basically stay out of trouble? Is it enough to ask them, my guides, angels of the highest vibration, or however you want to phrase that. Please watch over me. Keep me in the light. Keep me away from the dark. Is that enough or is it not really focused? 
 
 

 Jock Brocas: It’s not focused enough. See, everything is made of vibration. If we go down to science, we understand that certain atoms and certain molecules have a particular trajectory and they move on that. But once it becomes a wave, the wave is a vibration that has no particular location or trajectory. You need to understand that your voice, your thought every part of your being is part of that vibration. Most people, when they say a prayer, even to Archangel Michael or any prayers, they say prayers through rote . So it is in their mind, they’ve learned it and they put it out and they think that just the words are enough. 
 
 

It’s the same way in a development circle, and I wrote about this in the book, in a development circle they talk about just saying a prayer before we start the circle. Now you don’t know where everybody’s vibrating at, everybody vibrates differently. Someone could have a really negative vibration that day. You might have a negative vibration that day. You may be attracting negative energy; it doesn’t necessarily mean that the words that you say are going to protect you. If you’re really going to pray for protection and guidance, then learn. To pray. In order to learn to pray, you need to learn to discern as well. And that means bringing all of your being and all of your focus into your prayer.  
 
 

When people ask me for prayers, I write prayers for people all over the world. So people write to me, and they say, can I have a prayer for something? and I take time, I go into meditation, and I pray. If I forget to pray for someone and I lie in bed at night, I know my prayer is not as powerful. In order for me to pray, I have to have my routine. I have to have, where I normally pray . Sometimes I’ll sit outside, and I’ll look at the stars, or I’ll connect to nature in some way, and I’m really focused in my prayer. I bring in visualization. I bring in my words, I bring in the feeling, I bring in the whole concept. And that’s when I’ve taught people if you’re having a development circle, it isn’t just about just saying a prayer. 
 
 

Some people believe they’re so spiritual and they’re so advanced that they’re better than everyone else, and yet their vibration tells a completely different story. So I always say develop the self but develop the spirit through your vibration. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: Got to get connected. In other words.  
 
 

Jock Brocas: Get connected. So I wrote, I wrote a little parable a while ago about practice and it was about a knight and he was practicing, and this old man was watching him and as he was practicing with his sword to cut, He just couldn’t cut straight through his training. He just couldn’t do it. And the old man said to him, what are you doing? I’m practicing. He says, but what are you doing? Are you practicing the skill? Are you practicing to become one? We can practice thinking we’re practicing a skill, but unless we can really make our practice, It remains outside of us. We need to become one with the spirit. We need to understand there is no distance, there’s no disconnect. The same animating force runs through us, runs through everything  
 
 

It’s not just about, I’m just going to connect to the other side. I need to feel that I am at one with the other side. I need to feel that I’m at one with the Holy Spirit. I need to feel that what is running through me is animated in every part of life. I’m at one, and that’s how we change it. That’s how we then become more powerful in our spiritual development or our spiritual authority.  
 
 

Johnny Burke: That kind of preparation, I think it’s important for all of us, but it’s especially important for mediums before they go into their practice because there are all kinds of things that can come through. Is that true? Yeah, that’s what I thought. This reminded me of something since we’re talking about the other side- your dad, big Al, he’s passed on now, and this is from the book: “training to help grounded spirits cross over to the light.” How did you discover that? 
 
 

 Jock Brocas: I never had a great connection with my father. We fell out before he passed. I suffered quite a bit through my grief. I was ashamed and guilty because of the way that we separated. But I’ll never forget, he was probably the catalyst to this journey because many years ago when I was really bad and really suffering. My dad appeared to me in my apartment in Scotland, and he appeared to me objectively like, I’m seeing you. And there was no big hoo-ha, there was no big wisdom or big revelation. He just appeared momentarily and smiled when I was at a lost point. That made a connection. And it also frightened, pardon my French, frightened, the living crap out of me! 
 
 

 I then had to go seek council. I went to what I called the spooky church down the road. They kind of expected it expected me, I was welcomed in there. That was when things really started to open up for me. As I was developing, I started to get more and more communication. 
 
 

I had a lot of communication from other mediums from my father. I’ll never forget I was in a club one night and, my friend Alison says, I’m going to go to this woman, Rachel Fra. She’s a psychic, and she’s way out somewhere, and I can’t remember the name of the place. She was out in Scotland. She says,” you want to come with me? “And I said, “I’m not going in that crap. No chance. I said”, all right, fair enough. “And I took her, and it was like frigging Hansel and Gretel. Driving right into the highlands of Scotland and up these mountain roads and things, and there was this woman’s house, next to a little forest, right next to a graveyard. And I’m thinking across from a graveyard. And I’m like, this is really spooky, I don’t know whether we should be going here. 
 
 

And we went in, and the woman says,” you’re next.” No chance. There’s no way I’m going. “Come in, come in. It’s fine.” I said, “I’m not paying you nothing.” Anyway, she took me in the back room, and she proceeded to tell me things about my father that no one would’ve ever known, and that my father didn’t even know about me. And then she took me through her kitchen, and this is my first experience, with psychometry. And she said,” hold this in your left hand and sit there and do this.” And I started to get a lot of things coming into my mind and I and basically, I brought her husband through, and she said to me, “you’ve been a medium all your days. You just never knew it.” 
 
 
 

To the day that she said I was going to have a really awakening experience, she was absolutely spot on. Those connections and that whole story . helped me to build that bond again with my father. And the more communication that I got through with other mediums, I then started to communicate with my father myself as well. I would hear him, you know, he would say” hello to me son “and I’m wary, I’d be testing out. I remember in circle, we asked, what is he doing? And that’s exactly what he said. He said, I’m learning this and I’m, I’m learning that and I’m doing this. I’ve kept up the communication, with my dad to this day. 
 
 

I’m very lucky that I can do it, but it’s not like, he just comes and has a conversation, and we talk for ages and ages. It’s just fleeting stuff, it’s in that momentary wisdom or, I can feel it or it comes through my wife but I’ve developed that and I think I can discern it fairly well. I know his vibration, it’s like a signature. I understand that vibration when he comes in. And so he’s given me enough that I may write a book at some point with what he’s told me. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: That will definitely be interesting and once that happens, you’re going to have to come back onto the show.  
 
 

Jock Brocas: Absolutely.  
 
 

Johnny Burke:  No question about that. Now you mentioned your development. Will continue into the next life. That implies a belief or knowledge of reincarnation; have you had insights into past lives? Yours or maybe one of your sitters or one of your friends?  
 
 

Jock Brocas: I’m not a past-life regressionist. I wrote a book many years ago on past lives that I wrote it as a skeptic, and then through all my research I was blown away by it, and I’ve studied a lot about it. I’ve taken part in some past life regressions of myself, and I’ve been given, information on my past life. But here’s a caveat; anybody can say you’ve had a past life. Any intuitive can say You’ve had a past life in X, Y, and Z. Or you were a banker, or you were this, or you were a warrior. Unless you have evidence of it, it is very circumspect – you have to have evidence. If you look at a lot of the research on past lives, there’s a tremendous amount of parapsychological research, Ian Stevenson is one of the biggest researchers there. The evidence is overwhelming . So whilst I’ve had glimpses into particular past lives, I haven’t that evidence that some of these cases have had. I accept through my studies, and I accept through the research that I’ve done that made me write the book, that it exists. But I will correct you on one thing. You say that my development is going to carry on until my next life.  I don’t necessarily mean my next life coming back. I mean my next life in the spirit world.  
Because I still see that as life, right? We don’t just go, and that’s the end of it. I believe that when I get over to the spirit world, I’m going to continue my development, I’m going to continue my spiritual growth, and I very much look forward to continuing that there. I don’t think there’ll ever be a time that my spirit or my soul will stop developing 
 
 

Johnny Burke: Right? It goes on forever. So in other words, as far as reincarnation is concerned, that’s not really your focus.  
 
 

 Jock Brocas: It’s not my focus, no, I understand it. I wrote a book about it. I was very skeptical of it. I now think that there’s empirical evidence that proves beyond of a shadow of a doubt that it exists. Although we don’t know the mechanics of it. I’ve been told of my past lives, but I have no evidence of it. I will say that anybody who’s dabbling in past lives, make sure you get the evidence, unless there’s evidence, it’s a pipe dream. 
 
 

 Johnny Burke: What Stevenson did is he basically took a body of work of young children that had past life memories and went and found those families  
 
 

#101 Jock Brocas: I don’t know if you’ve seen this, but there’s a show on, I don’t know if it’s Netflix or Apple, and it’s called Ghosts in my Children. It is absolutely fascinating. There’s evidence in those stories. I mean, real stories. One child that’s come through that had a past life in nine 11 and they come back, and they talk about the experiences in heaven and how they were allowed to come back. And there’s evidence and they mentioned by name the people that they work with in the business in nine 11. There’s so much to this story. You can’t put it down, in parapsychology fields to super consciousness . They’ve had experience and then they go on to try and heal them from the trauma using maybe native wisdom or using some type of therapy. And they don’t have the same trauma. Go and watch it. Watch it with an open mind. It is absolutely fascinating.  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: I definitely want to see that. That sounds incredibly interesting. I remember one of my speakers a while back, who went to go see a medium at an event. I believe it was in Long Island, and she mentioned that some of the people that came through were people that died in 911 – just mind-blowing, that’s probably a discussion for another day. But, there’s been quite a bit of discussion about what type of people come through, beings.  
 
 

 Jock Brocas: In my sittings that I’ve given throughout the years, I’ve had people who have been lost at sea. I’ve had military people who have been lost in the battlefield. I even had one the spirit come through that was in nine 11 through to the family. I think it’s a very private thing for those families it’s not something I would do in the public eye. I’ve heard spirits from different religions come through, in Russia, in places like that as well. so I don’t think that we’re tied to any particular dogma on the other side. And if Spirit wants to make a connection to the loved ones, they’re going to do their hardest  
 
 

 Somebody recently, lost their life through Covid and wasn’t particularly a believer in anything, but has come through and given lots of different evidences and what he’s learning on the other side and all different things. I think anybody no matter what label they are, has the potential to come through and connect with their loved ones through a medium or through even just their own connections with their loved ones. I encourage people just don’t hang your hat on a medium, don’t use a medium as a crutch. That’s also can be pretty dangerous, in its way. And realize that your loved ones are just in the next room. they’re not gone.  
 
 

Johnny Burke: I wanted to ask you that. You believe or you know that our loved ones, even some of our ancestors that we’ve never met, could be right here. They could be right here in my room. 
 
 

 Jock Brocas: They can, they’re still very much connected to you. They’re still very much a part of your life. There are many times where I’ve given sittings and recounted back private things to the sitter, the loved ones were there with them or were there with them on that morning before they were traveling to the sitting, but I think taking that aside, and, how good was that reading cause that’s what a lot of mediums do.” I had this evidence and this evidence was so strong” and it was about them. It turns out to be a bit more about the medium. Let’s just talk about how brilliant that is for the sitter and for the spirit world to be able to do that too. For the spirit world to say, you know, “Hey, I’m still attached to your life, I’m still part of your life. I did see you the other day. I’m still involved with you.” I think that gives so much. Medium is just a telephone. If you didn’t have the telephone, they find another way through. 
 
 

So I think I bring so much comfort for them to realize that, hey, you may be lost in the material, but you’re just in the next room to me, and I know that I’m still connected with you in the very fact that you’re around me and given me evidence that you’re around me think that’s, phenomenal  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: It’s definitely an awesome thing and it answers the next question : what’s the most important thing that Spirit wants us to know? 
 
 

Jock Brocas: The most important thing Spirit wants us to know is that there’s no such thing as death. But I want to put my own spin and take away all the cliche things that Mediums say , is that you exist through the same animating force that animates the breath, that animates the plant that animates the seed to grow, that animates the sun and that animates the moon. 
 
 

You are part of that energy and spirit wants to know that it never be destroyed. And so when you know that, it kind of empowers you and realize that the energy of your loved ones on the other side exists in you and you in them, and you can never be parted.  
 
 

Johnny Burke: I think the conclusion there is and this point comes up in many talks, separation is an illusion.  
 
 

Jock Brocas: Yes, absolutely. Separation is definitely an illusion. And you know, Paramhansa Yogananda would say, this world is an illusion, an illusionary world. We’re here to experience life, experience earth here to develop our soul through the experiences that we have. When we understand that even our daily lives are living an illusion, that it’s the animating force that animates, everything. Everything is experienced on the inside. If I said to someone, where is the mind? Instantly they go to the head and they’ll say, the mind’s up here. But if I really say, well, where is the mind? And I point to a tree, the mind’s everything. The mind is the psychological building blocks of reality. So the mind is everywhere. Exists everywhere and nowhere.  
 
 

Johnny Burke: And nowhere.  
 
 
 

Jock Brocas: Right. So the reality is we instantly think the mind is in my head, but I’m part of this mind, this, this great animating force. The mind is everywhere and nowhere. 
 
 

Johnny Burke: It’s everywhere. Yeah. wow. The whole separation thing. I think a lot of people really have a hard time getting their head around that, but it’s very good to keep hearing that, even in the most basic sense, we are not separated.  We’re not separated from our loved ones  
 
 

Jock Brocas:  
 
 

And remember this Johnny and for the readers that are out there, we think that when we lose our loved ones, that time passes. The time only passes for us. Time is linear in this existence. In the spirit world, in the spirit realm, there is no time. So when you cross, they haven’t missed you because it’s only been that moment or that fraction. You’ve always been together, you’ve always been connected, and there has never been a distance or time that separates you. It’s only in your own mind that you create the illusion of time being a distance in this reality. And the reality is, there’s none. So when you cross over and you meet a loved one, it’ll be just like you just went into the next room and you never lost any time.  
 
 

 Johnny Burke: A very comforting thought. Awesome stuff, man. Jock, thanks, again for coming on to the show, how can our listeners find more about you online? 
 
 

#101 Jock Brocas: www.jockbrocas.com. And I’m doing some research at the moment as well into deeper aspects of grief. I have a form on my website that if anybody has lost a loved one in the last three years, can go into my website and fill in that form. You can catch me on Instagram at Spiritual Medium. I have a YouTube channel about spirituality mediumship, and the afterlife.