#95 Holly Duckworth: Wisdom From The Higher Self
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Holly Duckworth. She is a psychotherapist, hypnotherapist and author of Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom from The Higher Self. Today, we will be talking about multidimensionality, the nature of eternity and how time is an illusion. Holly, welcome to the show.
Holly Duckworth: Thanks Johnny, my pleasure to be here.
Johnny Burke: You’ve studied with Dolores Cannon to learn about past life regression. What inspired you to do that?
Holly Duckworth: Traged.y I’d received my PhD in in psychology in 2010 and was doing a little bit of Jungian analysis and a whole lot of like corporate organizational development and executive coaching and that kind of thing. So I was in the corporate world. At the time, my 20-year-old son was arrested for DUI. I had never heard of Dolores Cannon, would never have heard of her before. My son was in a situation where he was going to be incarcerated for 21 days. and I couldn’t visit him. No video calls, no actual visits. I could only have an occasional phone call with him.
So in one of our phone calls, he says, “Hey mom, I found this book in jail and I think you’d really like it.’ it was Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe book 4.
I had no idea who Dolores Cannon was, but I go after we hang up, Amazon, click, click just to have something to converse with my son, the next time that we talked, and I get Convoluted Universe Book 4, and I start reading it. And Johnny I’m like, oh, my gosh, everything I’ve ever believed in my entire life, here it is in print. I’ve never seen it in print before. Things like, God is an energy source, not some dude on a cloud with sandals, right? all kinds of quantum physics, things like, time is an illusion. All kinds of things like this were in that book that I had already believed.
Well, so my son gets out of jail in December of 2012 and Dolores was doing a weekend retreat in January of 2013. And so I told my son, “let’s go see her.” And so we did, that was in February. I was in training to be a Q H H T practitioner and I’ve not looked back
Johnny Burke: It seems like it was kind of meant to happen. You were already a psychotherapist at that time?
Holly Duckworth: Yes
Johnny Burke: When your son was in jail, and then you went to see Dolores Cannon in January, then you were literally training by the next month. you mentioned something about Carl Jung. What is it about Carl Jung and the mystical universe? What is the connection there?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah. if you think about it, you’re going back to the 1920s. He was a student of Freud, one of the first psychologists or psychiatrists. Back then a psychiatrist was just a medical doctor. If you read Carl Jung’s work with a metaphysical mindset. You’re like, yeah, this dude wasn’t a scientist. He was a metaphysicist.
Johnny Burke: I’ve read some of his work when I started to learn about near-death experiences, somehow it had something to do with Carl Jung I don’t know what the link or the connection was, but now that you mentioned it, it makes a lot of sense. In your experience, you’ve obviously done the training with Dolores Cannon; what have you learned about past lives and reincarnation?
Holly Duckworth: A big part of Dolores Cannon’s quantum healing hypnosis technique, is people come to Q H H T, usually for physical healing. I’ve seen all kinds of physical healing; stage four cancer, autoimmune diseases. Name a kind of physical ailment and we’ve probably seen it removed through QH H T.
A part of that QH H T process is experiencing what I call another life, not a past life. So we use that process really to get the client into the deepest level of altered state of consciousness, of trance that we can. That allows the connection to the higher self then the higher self can then unravel all of them, understanding that we need of the physical manifestation, whether it’s cancer or disease or whatever, that can allow the healing of that experience. It’s a much bigger process than past life regression. It’s a miraculous process of physical healing, but we pivot on past life regression in order to achieve the states of trance that we need to do the healing.
Johnny Burke: Past life regression, as most people know it is kind of removed from Q H H T. You have to kind of drive on that highway. It seems like with the Dolores Cannon method, you go a lot further.
Holly Duckworth: Exactly. And she actually didn’t find out about the healing capacity until she was probably 25 or 30 years into her career. All of her early books are about, using these past life regression situations to do research.
For example, she wrote two books on Jesus, “Jesus and The Essenes” and” They Walked With Jesus.” She had a client who regressed to the rabbi that gave Jesus and John their Bar Mitzvah. And so she researched these historical situations, through the past life regression. And it was only in the late 1990s that she connected to the higher self and was able to witness healing- physical healing through the trance state. That’s when she developed her quantum healing hypnosis technique. She spent the last 10, 15 years of her life doing nothing but that and teaching others how to do that.
Johnny Burke: So you actually met her?
Holly Duckworth: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Johnny Burke: Yeah. Wow. Because now I believe her daughter leads the trainings and is carrying on the tradition. How did she- how did Dolores have a direct conversation with Nostradamus across time?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah, she ended up writing three volumes of books on Nostradamus. She was in the middle of an ordinary session on an ordinary day at the office for her, doing her past life regression hypnosis. This was before
QHHT. The client that she was regressing, in his past life experience, he was the secretary that was the scribe for Nostradamus. So the scribe is at work in the offices of Nostradamus and Dolores in her typical unabashed way, she asks the guy who’s the scribe “can we talk to him”?
Johnny Burke: You would have to ask,
Holly Duckworth: Then the scribe starts an intermediary conversation. So finally she ended up working with this client for many, many, many years. And finally, she was able to have the client just, I guess, meld, or assume the consciousness of Nostradamus. What they would do is when they were in session, she would read a Nostradamus quatrain in modern English as translated from ancient 14th century French, then Nostradamus, speaking to her through the client in hypnosis would go, ‘well, that’s not what I meant. I meant, blah, blah, blah.” They spent years working together to correct the translations of all of the quatrains. So that’s the three volumes of work.
Johnny Burke: So she believed she wasn’t like listening to a recording of Nostradamus, she was actually communicating with him?
Holly Duckworth: Exactly. Exactly. We can probably imagine he was in some sort of trance state, because that’s what he did and was connecting to her. That would’ve been the 1980s and one of the funniest stories out of that book was, they’re in this conversation, her, and Nostradamus directly. Yes. In real-time, she said something like, well, she had to go to her doctor later and she didn’t want to be late for her female doctor and Nostradamus stopped her and was like, “what are you talking about?” she said,” yeah, I don’t want to be late for her. Nostradamus was dumbfounded that women could be doctors in the time that he was talking to Dolores. So they would just have like ordinary conversations directly with Nostradamus, yeah.
Johnny Burke: That really is amazing. I wanted to save that for later, but I just, couldn’t wait anymore. Apparently, with her technique, it’s possible to connect beyond the veil, which is not typically reported in past life regression sessions or cases. If that’s true, have you had any direct experience doing something like that?
Holly Duckworth: Well, yeah, every day, so when the person is in trance and experiencing that other person’s life, we don’t always go to the past. We can go to the future. We can go to a simultaneous life. We can go to an eternal life, an energy being, if you will, that resides outside of time. We can go to other planets where the timeline is very different than this timeline from an earth-based timeline. So we go to all kinds of different places with that person in trance, they begin speaking in the first person. They are embodied in that situation. They see sight, they hear sounds, they can smell smells, and they feel the emotions of that person in that other place in time. It is first person- you feel and know everything that that person knows. So we can begin to have these same kinds of conversations like Dolores was having with Nostradamus, for these people in whatever time they’re in.
Johnny Burke: I’m starting to think about how some people go to mediums to try and make contact with the past loved one. Could it be that this technique is- I don’t want to say safer, but it’s an alternative to going to a medium or is it similar?
Holly Duckworth: I think- of course, I’m biased, but I think it’s better because it’s not going through someone else’s filter. Right. You’re experiencing that. I’ll give you an example for myself. In that very first experience I had with Dolores, these were group regressions, so she would have a weekend retreat. There’d be 200 people in a hotel ballroom, and we’d all be going into hypnosis simultaneously. She had different scripts. Sometimes it would be past life. Sometimes it would be future life. Sometimes it would be meeting your spirit guide or get an answer to a question. She had all kinds of different journeys that you could take.
This particular one was past life. I came into that life, it was really funny because I’m looking down, in my mind’s eye, my eyes are closed. I’m having this very intense, imaginative experience in this other life as this other woman. And she was a black woman, I would say probably back in the 19 teens in a large city, maybe, St. Louis or Chicago, and I had a little tiny house. I’m standing in the kitchen and I’m cooking bacon and Johnny, I could smell bacon cooking. In that moment and I had a baby on my hip. I had two daughters, and I had a son in this little, tiny kitchen in my little, tiny house in this urban environment, completely unfamiliar to me. I’ve never lived in a house like that or a city like that. I’ve always lived kind of out in the country. So experiences that were completely foreign to my conscious mind. Yet here they were- I’m in it first person smelling the freaking bacon on the stove.
Johnny Burke: That is amazing.
Holly Duckworth: And simultaneously I know that this baby on my hip, the soul of that baby boy is my husband in this life.
Johnny Burke: Is it just a knowing like a psychic, or a download or something ?
Holly Duckworth: I guess, of course, I went into all of this Dolores experience, totally a skeptic, 100% a skeptic. And this is my first time out of the chute.
I had never had hypnosis before. Never even was interested in it. And here I am having this ridiculously profound experience.
Johnny Burke: Lots of details too.
Holly Duckworth: And layers, layers, and layers of information.
Johnny Burke: Lots of details. Like one man was talking about how he could see the brush strokes on the painting. Bob snow. I think we talked about that. You told me you were skeptical like most people are when they encountered this type of thing. When you were little, did you have any intuitive type experiences, like seeing spirits or? None of that, right?
Holly Duckworth: No, none, none whatsoever. My undergraduate degree is in mechanical engineering, I was always the science nerd, the math nerd kid. My dad’s an engineer. I have brothers that are engineers. Like the whole family is like left brain, analytical engineering people. None whatsoever. I still don’t see auras. I can tap into my higher self, of course, having been regressed and in hypnosis as much as I have now. But, in terms of just general psychic ability, no, absolutely not.
Johnny Burke: It seems like you’ve experienced all kinds of things; past lives, or should we say “other lives, “simultaneous lives, but what about the in-between lives, in between incarnation space? Have you experienced that?
Holly Duckworth: Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of clients go there. I call it the void. The resting place. It’s this place where it’s not light or dark. It’s not black or white. It’s not hot or cold. It’s not good or bad. There’s no body, there’s no emotions. And a lot of people will go there in between lives. The best I can tell is that other beings are there. They’re not in form, they’re energetic. The purpose of that experience is to really heal, and release any sort of trauma or emotions or experiences that need to be released from the inform incarnation. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Have you seen any or experienced any, instances of pre-birth planning,
Holly Duckworth: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Johnny Burke: Soul contracts, soul family?
Holly Duckworth: Most clients will ask, “do I have any karma that I need to know of any contracts that I need to work on? “in their session, they want to know that for the remainder of their life. Yeah, exactly. And it’s as easy as saying” not going to go there. ” Before embodied, I might have thought that was going to be easy or even capable of doing it. And now it’s not going to happen. Yeah,
Johnny Burke: It’s like an athlete asking for a trade
Holly Duckworth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The other thing is that almost always we’ve incarnated with our soul family, with other people that have agreements to play the various roles
Johnny Burke: Everybody says that- it’s amazing! It almost seems too good to be true, but everybody that I know that has had experiences of that place says the same thing. That it was like casting a stage play, we’re just playing roles.
Holly Duckworth: One of the most really challenging stories that I’ve run across is, one of my clients, she had a very, very common question; what is my life lesson? What am I here to learn? And then of course, what is my life purpose? That’s the whole point of the book. Her question is, what is my life lesson? And she was at the end of her life. She has a recurrence of brain cancer. She was in her mid-seventies. It was now or never. In terms of what is my life lesson? The higher self said her life lesson was forgiveness.
Well, what we find out is that her father had been one of the most unimaginable abusers to all of his kids, including her- think of a kind of abuse. Yes. That’s what she received at the hands of her father.
And he was actually an Ascended Master. He was like an elder of the soul family.
Johnny Burke: But he came down here to play a role, the elder?
Holly Duckworth: To be an abuser so that she could learn forgiveness. Wow.
Johnny Burke: That’s pretty crazy- you’ve actually experienced the elders. I was going to say the council of elders. Is it true that we don’t get judged when we go there, someone communicates, or some energy communicates as if to ask” how do you think you did?”
Holly Duckworth: Exactly exactly. The whole soul family will get together. Everybody who played a part and go “well, did you get what you wanted?” and then you get to say,” well, yeah, but I missed this one piece of forgiveness. I think I’ll do this again. But the next time I want to learn forgiveness in this other way” or whatever.
Johnny Burke: Do you ever hear silly things like, “well, yeah, I never got the record contract, I never got the supermodel girlfriend “or stupid things? well
Holly Duckworth: No.
Johnny Burke: I had to ask
Holly Duckworth: In, terms of life purpose, that’s one of the things I’ve learned. They do not care what you do. They do care how you be. Your state of being is what’s important, not what you do.
Johnny Burke: So in other words, they don’t care what you do. So if you are a horrible person and lie, cheat, steal, murder, whatever, they don’t care about that?
Holly Duckworth: They do not. As long as you got what you needed. Just a few weeks ago, I had a 16-year-old client come in, which is the youngest we can work with. He goes into his other life experience, and in this life, he’s just the most beautiful, precious, lovely love, full human being. But his other life that we witnessed- and if he wasn’t ready for it, the higher self wouldn’t have shown him this. He was like a 1930s, like Al Capone level gangster and his job in that other life was to kill people , to murder people. He was a hitman.
Johnny Burke: Did he say who he was?
Holly Duckworth: No, we didn’t. go into names. No. But here he is in his next, presumably- if we want to follow timelines, his next incarnation as this beautiful love-full, person.
Johnny Burke: That seems to be in contrast with some other things or principles that we all hear about karma. Let’s take this person, for example, a hitman in Chicago in 1930, whatever, who has killed a bunch of people; doesn’t he have to work that karma off or not necessarily?
Holly Duckworth: Not necessarily, it depends on who he killed and what their prior agreement was, and what was the point of that entire experience
Johnny Burke: So it depends on his role if his role was to do that.?
Holly Duckworth: Exactly.
Johnny Burke: but what about the people that have near-death experiences and it’s really scary. And we find out later on that experience has attributed to they were not very nice people in their life?
Holly Duckworth: I’ve never run into anything like that. One of Dolores’s processes, we very intentionally in QH H T take someone through the death process in that other life. She thought that it was very therapeutic for people. Now, remember, you’re witnessing this life firsthand, you’re smelling the bacon, and now you go through as that other person, the death process. You know firsthand then what the death process is like. And her point was it alleviates like ridiculous amounts of fear because we see how easy the death process is. Her famous quote is, and I see this in almost every case, ” it’s just like getting up from one chair and sitting down in the next, it’s that easy .”
You can imagine in these past life scenarios, all of the hideous ways human beings have died, right? On the battlefield, burned at the stake, beheaded, there’s really, really bad things that humans do to each other in terms of the way we die. I haven’t witnessed a case yet where the soul wasn’t already departed when the body felt the pain. So like on a battlefield or being beheaded or whatever. I’m on the verge of concluding that our soul leaves before all of that physical trauma needs to happen.
Johnny Burke: I can see this would really kind of ruffle the feathers of some of these hardcore Christians because you’re basically giving us license to do pretty much whatever we want, right?
Holly Duckworth: I guess, eventually you’re going to have to figure out all sides of whatever it is that you’re working on. Let’s say for example that client that I was just talking about, whose father was the abuser, and her point in this life was, to learn forgiveness. That was her life lesson. Well, her soul is going to want to understand in this life, that she was the victim of abuse, and she needed to learn to forgive her abuser. In another life, she’s going to have to be the abuser and be forgiven by those that she abused. So if we want to learn forgiveness, we have to learn every single solitary facet of forgiveness, which means playing every single solitary part that is attached to forgiveness.
Johnny Burke: That would make sense with the statement, which again is in the book; “we have to have all experiences.”
Holly Duckworth: We have all been the victim, we’ve all been the villain. We’ve all been the savior. We’ve all been bystander. We have all been everything. So then this idea, this self-righteous, holier than thou, “Well, I’m a good person,” eh, sorry, we’ve all been at all.
Johnny Burke: That will definitely make some folks think that’s for sure. What is an example of a client that experienced future and simultaneous lives in hypnosis; can you, give us an example of that?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Just a few weeks ago I had a client it was the current timeline. It was modern times because she’s describing the cars and the buildings and the people and what they were wearing. If it wasn’t the exact same timeline, it was very similar. And she’s experiencing this other life. The client was a woman in this life and that other life, she was a man and having some sort of experience as an executive. So we’ve gone through this other life scenario. This simultaneous life as some executive. I think he was in Australia, he’s this really powerful CEO type. If it’s current timeline, we do not take that person through the death process because they might not yet be dead.
The first question we always ask the higher self.: Why’d you show her that? Why’d you take her to that life? In this case, she had some prejudices. Her husband was a high-powered executive, like the man that she embodied in this other life. And then she was able to kind of unravel some of the friction and prejudices that she had about her husband through that firsthand witnessing of that other man in the current timeline. When we go to the future, we’ve been to the future on earth. We can go to the future in other places, other planets. Sometimes in other planets, we don’t know if it’s the past, the present, or the future, or outside of time.
Johnny Burke: Outside of time? Okay. That’s probably a whole other episode. What does the future, in whatever instance that your client was in, what does the future of earth actually look like?
Holly Duckworth: I would say that current life seems to be the most complicated that it’s going to be, so when we start looking in the future, things seem to be so much simple. for example, I’ve had clients go to the future and its kind of described as like the Pueblo Native Americans; smaller, apartment-like structures attached to each other, but they’re only two or three stories tall. And then you go inside the structure and there isn’t like furniture because all the furniture is kind of built-in like organically into the walls and such, and a very small community kind of driven thing. I’ve never had anyone experience flying cars.
Johnny Burke: You got to go back 10,000 years in the past to find that, right?
Speaking of which, as we know time, theoretically does not exist. Have you had any experiences with clients going back to like ancient civilizations, where there was an advanced society? can you give us an example of that?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah, in fact, I was just doing some video editing today, hoping to share a session. I need to get the client’s permission to share all of the recording and everything, but, Ancient Egypt, of course. Lots of clients go back to Ancient Egypt. They were very much integrated with other planet people, that would come and help and show them technology and do things with them.
This particular client, she went back in ancient Egypt. They would have these, I don’t know why, but they were all young men, and they were trained to allow ET beings’ consciousness to be housed in their bodies. So they were trained to empty themselves of themselves and then allow the ET to come into the body to do things on earth. In this particular instance, it was to do some sort of energy exchange with a priest and a priestess in a ceremony. So my client was the ET that happened to be temporarily resident in this young male body, which the ET found extremely uncomfortable and clunky, and then they went into the ceremony with this priest and priestess
Johnny Burke: Did you ever have any experience of seeing flying machines of any kind in any civilization?
Holly Duckworth: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ships, all manner of ships, spaceships the size of planets. Massive, massive, spaceships all the way down to little, tiny, like one-person spaceships, where you can see through like the entire ship is transparent. Spaceships with control panels.
Johnny Burke: So the obvious question for someone who’s listening to this is probably going to be: That sounds really cool. But how do you know, how does your client know that it’s not just his imagination?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah. in the Q H H T process, we don’t care. That’s not the point. I’m a past-life regressionist that doesn’t believe in past lives. So maybe it is the imagination cooking it up. I don’t know. Dolores did a little bit of digging, literally archeological record digging when she was doing her Jesus books to corroborate some of the data. If time doesn’t exist, all lives are now. If we’re all one, we all have access to the Akashic Records. We all have access to the consciousness of everything. So is it my past life? I don’t know. And frankly, to Q H H T it doesn’t matter. All we’re using this other life experience for is to develop a deep enough trance for a very clear conversation with the higher self to do the physical and emotional healing.
Johnny Burke: What it’s designed to do. I have lots of respect for mediums, but this is where the line of demarcation between something like this and mediumship is that the mediumship is not really meant to heal, I don’t think, although I can bring forth certain truths.
Holly Duckworth: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we use the term healing broadly because back to that same example, what is my life lesson? It’s forgiveness. Well, learning forgiveness is healing, right? It’s the fulfillment of that lesson in this life. And that’s important to this life. And that’s a healing aspect of this life.
Johnny Burke: So fulfilling a purpose does not send you to the pearly gates upon death unless you choose to manifest it. So, okay. I have to ask you this- on the other side, is manifestation instant when you get there?
Holly Duckworth: So it’s a little different. Yes, but-
Johnny Burke: I’ve been told it is
Holly Duckworth: On the other side we don’t need things. In other dimensions, I don’t need food. I don’t need shelter. I’m never cold or hot. So why do I need clothes or air conditioning or roofs over my head? I don’t. So the need for manifestation is much, much, much, less in higher dimensions.
Johnny Burke: Unless you want to see someone, right?
Holly Duckworth: Yeah, but If I’m pure consciousness, I’m never separated from that someone. So I don’t even have to manifest the connection because I’m never not connected.
Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard it explained quite that way, but again, this is returning the source, returning to oneness. Right?
Talk a little bit about Kelly’s first incarnation in physical form. This was her first incarnation because her soul had always had formless experiences. Apparently, she had incarnated as part of waves of volunteers, which Dolores wrote about in her book, The Three Waves of Volunteers. Tell, tell us about the volunteers.
Holly Duckworth: Universally, at the end of World War II, when humans were figuring out how to do nuclear weapons, the keepers of the universe, the higher up these ascended masters kind of went, “oh, crap, the kids have matches!”
Johnny Burke: Kids have matches.
Holly Duckworth: We are not a very evolved species as humans, by the way.
Johnny Burke: Yeah. I’ve heard that too.
Holly Duckworth: We uncovered matches, but our matches as nuclear weapons had the ability to rip holes through space and time to rip holes way beyond our dimension. There were other parties in the universe that were very, very interested in us not having these kinds of matches. So the call kind of went out to souls that were incarnated in other places and other dimensions, much more evolved souls to come into the earth.
One of the rules of earth and one of the things that makes it such a challenging place is we have free will. We come here, we forget, we go into our separation from source, and we have free will. The point of incarnating on earth is to see what you’re going to do with your free will. They couldn’t just quash the nuclear weapons; they couldn’t just create a timeline where we never did that or whatever. But they couldn’t interfere from the outside because of the law of free will, but they could incarnate as humans and influence the evolution of humanity from the inside out.
So those are the volunteers. Actually, I think we’re up to the fourth wave. Dolores wrote about the first three waves back in 2010 when that book came out and now, I’ve seen some clients that either their children are wave four or very young people, 16, 17, that they are wave four. Over time, these different dimensional beings have incarnated as humans for the express purpose to change the vibrational frequency and the dimensional experience on earth.
Johnny Burke: So we can finally go into the Aquarian Age after we’ve been talking about it for 500 years?
Holly Duckworth: Yes. But for a lot of other places, that’s a blink in time,
Johnny Burke: That’s what I’ve been told. To be continued. All right, Holly, thank you very much for joining us. how can our, listeners find you online?
Holly Duckworth: Sure. So my website is www.awarecaredurango.com and then the book we’ve been referencing today is called Finding Purpose, Surprising Wisdom From The Higher Self. It’s on Amazon in all formats.