#140 Tamara Caulder-Richardson: Near-Death Experiences, Mediumship and Jesus
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Tamara Calder Richardson. She is a multiple near-death and U F O experiencer, evidential medium known as the southern bell, medium, and ultra dimensional channeler. Today we’ll be talking about her near-death experiences, speaking to spirit, people, and her experiences with Jesus. Tamara, welcome to the show.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Oh, I’m happy to be here. Thank you for having me, John.
Johnny Burke: You have a lot of experiences, a lot of intuitive experiences. How did it start?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Well, I think that it’s always been a part of me, but then it was also triggered by my near-death experiences starting at a prenatal, and then age three, four or five, 10, and then my last one was 34.
Johnny Burke: Prenatal. How do you remember that? Did that come much, much later, or
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Much later.
Johnny Burke: what is the first near death experience that you actually recall?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Well, I did recall that I did a regression on that and it came up and I didn’t know it was a thing and, but, in PMH Atwater‘s book The Forever Angels , she talks about it. But I just remember my mother was pregnant with me and she was bleeding and going to have a miscarriage and as spirit, I just watched it all and felt a lot of love for her and was almost not born.
I did not think of it as an NDE, but she said it was a form of an ND E. So I thought that was unusual. The one that would be to my cognition that as being here, would be when I was three. That was the one when I was three years old, I was playing hide and seek in this antebellum home.
That was my uncle, my mom’s brother, and he was at his mother-in-law’s and we were playing hide and seek. And so I ran upstairs and I’m bouncing, ran squealing like kids do, and trying to find a place to hide and under the dresser was a nail. And as I’m bouncing the nail pierced my head to the skull and I put my hand in my head thinking that a water cup fell in my head, but it was blood. And then soon as I looked at it, I passed out and then I was above my body and saw the rest of everything else from above.
Johnny Burke: once you saw yourself. You were floating up near the ceiling. What happened next?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: So I’m kind of hovering around, looking around my cousin runs upstairs, screams, gets the adults. My mom comes up, says “she’ll be fine.” But during this time, I’m seeing in the spirit world, I’m seeing what looks like an angel. It was nine to 10 feet tall, very glowy. It felt like a higher level being, and it was over my head, and I felt as though it was healing me. But then I was getting all the conversations in the room, and then the lady of the house went downstairs to call my grandmother to come get me. I could hear that downstairs and I could also see outside all at the same time. So when she did come, they took me to her friend that was a doctor. They said I had a contusion, but I literally had a hole in my head because it pierced through. So I literally had a hole in my head for two years. I had to wait for it to grow back. It was like a soft spot like a baby.
Johnny Burke: So you were able to see hear what was going on in other rooms?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Yeah. As spirit just the same way that we have sensations. I didn’t think it was odd not having eyes to see but I could see everything. I could also see outside. I could feel the temperature. I got feelings.
It was just like the feelings we have here, but it was without a body. And so when I came back, they had to put a watch over me because they were concerned about my head swelling. But from that point on, it never has changed. I saw spirit people and I saw them and it really kind of sucked. Because I saw them in my room at night and I was very confused by this. You know, who are these people? And they want to talk a lot!
Johnny Burke: Spirit people. Okay. So before this experience, were you able to see anything like that when you were a kid? Three, four, or five years old?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Well, I’m three years old now, so I did see when I was playing hide and seek, I felt like there was somebody in the shower, but it was a dark shadow, so I had perceptions. So I think I was always open, but it really jacked up after the nail went in my head. I’ve had a lot of issues around the head area, and I think that the crown chakra really opened me up. I didn’t plan that, but I would get whole conversations from these people, and they would talk to me. Some would be friendly, most needed help. Sometimes there would be darker ones I would sleep with the covers over me. I had no one to talk to about this. It was disconcerting. Like, who are these people? And they were considered ghosts.
Johnny Burke: the ones that you say needed help, with your knowledge that you have now, would they be considered earthbound spirits or is that something else?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: As far as the term goes, as we know it, probably yes. And I don’t think they’re bound because they did anything. I think they’re confused. And the way I see that now, it would be like if you saw a person, right? And you probably can think of someone, and people listening can think of someone that’s confused, that has issues in life. Okay, now this person says they’re troubled and now they drop their body. They’re still confused. So I think that people that are in the lower states here, that’s why when you work on your spirituality here, it all works toward your growth level once you cross over.
You don’t lose that part of anything. But I think that they were confused.
They would come and complain about stuff, about how they died, especially if it was a trauma. Occasionally they’ll do that. They don’t do that much these days. because I do this professionally and I don’t attract the lower ones. There are people that do that, that do rescue for that. But I did have a lady come through to me, strangely, we mentioned this three days ago, and she had just died, and she died of cancer, and she was showing me in my astral state, what her apartment looked like and all the medicine she had to take. And I said, “Did you have cancer?” And she said, “we don’t say that word”. And she wanted me to thank Cody for helping her with her sickness and so forth. I said, “I’m sorry, I don’t know who he is. If you can have him get in touch with me, I’ll talk to him.”
So I think that a lot of these people are confused. But they do receive help, but they realize people like me can see them, our energy’s different, and so they just kind of gravitate toward us.
[Johnny Burke: When you speak about energy, your mediumistic skills, it seemed like that was a natural progression for you because you’ve had these experiences since you were three years old. What were the more formative events before you started practicing as a medium? Were there more NDEs or did they occur later?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: I had three in a row, the prenatal and had 3, 4, 5, 3. Four was a car wreck where I went through the windshield and then I was bi location and saw different things. And then, five was when I died of pneumonia. I died. Oh, I had minutes. I was dead on arrival. They clocked me in it and then I was dead on and off two hours, and they couldn’t get a pulse. And they would get a pulse and then it would go away. And then eventually they covered me with a sheet, which was a bit sad. And then, they did see a slight pulse and they put me in this plastic tent thing in a room.
It is strange because I actually in a nice way but confronted my mother about this thing because no one ever told me and I remembered it all and she’s like, didn’t want to talk about it because they didn’t get me to the hospital in time. They just kept waiting and sometimes parents, they don’t want you to remember things because maybe there’s a mistake in there that they did that they feel bad about, they don’t want to talk about it. And I told her, you know, it’s fine. But that one, I was spirit for so long that, I think that like me because they trust me. I was spirit and so they can see I’m different. But that was a big one. And then I had one at 10. It was a drowning on a family vacation at Myrtle Beach and then I had a reaction to a pill, when I was 34. And it was just a prescribed pill for menstrual migraines, and it just had a weird effect on me. And I went out of body into the galaxy, didn’t know my name. I was male or female, and I just left, saw this whole world decoded into lines which makes me realize that we are kind of in a holographic universe. We are kind of in a matrix, and there’s so much to each, so I don’t know how much you want me to go into that or the aftereffects, but it’s a lot, especially for a little kid to try to process this. So I couldn’t really process a lot of this till later on, and I didn’t think it was safe to mention it to my family, they weren’t really that supportive. They had a lot of arguments in the family, a lot of problems there, sexual abuse from my stepdad. So it wasn’t really a safe place to discuss anything, so I had to wait till much later.
Johnny Burke: And that’s actually pretty common, for people that do experience the near death experience. The average time from when it occurred to the disclosure, pretty sure it’s about 10 years. And for some people it could be even longer. So what are the most important things that you learned, about the spirit world or anything else that really just comes to mind first about the experience that we should know about?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Well we are, first of all, we are them. We are spirits number one. So people that are afraid of them won’t go look in the mirror and be afraid of yourself. Because chances are when we sleep, most of us do not stay in the body the whole time because we’re very nosy. We’re very busy. And so, we wake up thinking of their dreams, but some of them aren’t. And we are going places. we actually connect with our loved ones in spirit, not the ghost ones, but the ones that like God, I’m on the other side. I’m at peace. You know, those people, we connect with them and dream so they can safely communicate things with us. But we are them and we’re just having a human experience right now. and it’s challenging being here. I think that there are different dimensions and levels in the spirit world, and I think that it is not because of punishment. Okay? It’s not because of punishment at all. It’s because there’s different levels of consciousness.
So we go to the level of the consciousness that we are at, and it’s much as Jesus explained it to me, it’s like going to a holiday party, let’s say, and you gravitate to a certain kind of people and you’re like, have a great time. You talk, you’re like, wow, they were really kind of fun. It’s because your tone level, your frequency level went to those. That’s how it is on the other side. You go to the area that you vibrate your frequency is, that’s why it’s important in this world to stay away from negative people. Because they’ll lower your tone level. And they’ll either make you sad or pissed off, and you don’t want to be like that because you can’t think straight. You want to be in a pleasant, controlled manner. So you want to be with people that raise you up in your energy and you raise them up so you can attract more high vibe people. But that’s the same thing in the spirit world and, spirit people communicate differently to me as I know it now, if you want to know a little bit more about them.
They communicate differently than we do. They communicate sometimes in symbols. We don’t really talk in symbols, right? We don’t go, Hey, let me show you this, you know, unless it’s a secret code or, you know, when you’re a little kid. Some people talk in pig Latin or silly things, but we don’t, we just talk. Literally they talk in code. They can also mean more than one thing. There was a lady that I was reading many, many years ago, and I went to her house and her brother was coming through and a lot of information, a lot of love, and he started talking about roses. About the roses outside and she goes, oh, well we planted those from his house, which I thought was kind of neat. That’s when I first started realizing that they talk in multiples. Then he talked about, there’s another rose. They’ll tell me now how many roses? And you go, oh, well my nickname was Rose. Okay, that’s the second rose. And then they’ll say, they’ll mention another rose. Oh, he’ll say, oh, I just got a necklace from my husband from our birthday. There’s a rose. Then they acknowledge the birthday. So that was three roses. So they can talk. We don’t talk like that. When we say something, we usually mean one thing, not three or four things. So I have to tell people to think bigger, just kind of be really open. But they talk like that. They also do things in heaven.
My most memorable time, even though I’ve always been this way as a kid, but I decided later on in life, which I didn’t plan on doing this. If I’m going to do this, I’ll go get training. So I thought, well, let me give it a shot. And I ended up training, long story short, eight years, the British style of mediumship with the UK’s, Tony Stockwell, who is fabulous and certified with Lisa Williams, trained with John Holland and Janet Novahec, who has now passed about a year ago. She was a nun that was also a medium- a former nun. They both have books and stuff, but I learned a lot. And one of the things that in Tony’s class we did for seven days and it was just delightful and it was just wonderful and I just loved it ,is the whole week we brought through evidentially what people were doing, your loved ones in heaven now. And it was just cool. So they do stuff there. but then if you, yeah, I know it is just cool
Johnny Burke: That’s very cool. Yeah, I like that.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: They don’t really hunt, they go around searching for animals, so they don’t really hunt but’s their hunting, but they do stuff kind of like they did here. Like I’ll give you a teeny really unusual example; there was a lady that I was talking with . I said, “yeah, your uncle here, he’s an educated man and he wants to talk about your nails.” And I just thought it was odd, but, and she said, “yeah oh, well, he was a skin nail doctor, so he always looked at our nails for healthiness, for medical purposes”, and he started talking about the father, and he always took care of him, even though he was the youngest. She goes, yeah. And I said, “they’re both over there. “She goes, “yeah. And now, because he was so busy with his work as a doctor and taking care of her daddy and family that he didn’t really get to have a lot of time off.” So what he’s doing now is he’s studying tectonic plates of the land and she said he always wanted to do that, and he’s had like a little liquor glass to the side, but they don’t really drink. But that was something he did in life. So it made him feel comfortable to like, not that they’re drinking alcohol. They’re not, that’s part of our human self. They talk about food a lot over there. They’ll like mockup food. Like today we’re making, you know, banana pudding. But I would get recipes from people from different cultures. And it’s because you think, why would they do that? Well, us. They were human. I mean, don’t you think about the time you had some really good chocolate cake, and you go, hmm, that was so good, and you still reminisce about it?
Johnny Burke: So, you’re saying they do not eat.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: They don’t need to eat. They can mock that up, but they’re more like, remember the old times? It’s kind of like you with a friend. Remember that time we were in that restaurant, man, that was some good food. what they love to do because they don’t eat grease and things like this in heaven.
Johnny Burke: Since we’re talking about our loved ones, I think it’s very cool that you are able to bring through what you call something which is evidential. You also mentioned something about dreams, that when we dream of our loved ones that have passed, it’s your opinion that more often than not, that’s actually them in their way of saying, I’m okay.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Yeah, absolutely. Well, it’s a way that’s not invasive, right? And it’s more gentle. I mean, if they showed up at the door glowing at the foot of your bed, it might be a little, so they try to do it in sweet, gentle ways. My grandmother, one time showed up to me and my dream, and we were at a getting food and sitting down, I said, “why are we here? “She goes, “I thought this would be a good place to talk.” Because she loved that place. She was so amazed by all the food. She came from the depression, so she loved the cafeteria, so she wanted to be in, that was the environment she picked for us to talk.
[Johnny Burke: Okay. you also mentioned something you learned from Jesus. You apparently had some very high level experiences through different layers or frequencies of the spirit world. how did that happen and when did that take place in the framework of your NDEs, your near-death experiences?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Well, good question. my experiences with Jesus on a spiritual supernatural level. yeah, because they’re not your typical Jesus type things, like you would find at church. my NDE -the car crash and it was snowing and icing, my mom took me on a day date with this guy, we hit the tree. They were arguing and he slammed the brakes and we hit the tree and went up through the windshield. And when I did, I didn’t feel the impact. I was just, I didn’t know it at the time, but I was propelled out of my body. I didn’t feel any pain, but it was instant. I was gone and I was in this, all blackness. And I was confused because I didn’t understand where I was. I didn’t understand where my feet or hands were. That’s funny. But think about it, if you were an all-black and you couldn’t see yourself as so black, you can’t see yourself, it would be confusing.
And then I started thinking, where am I? And then I saw like a pen light. It was the sensation of a tunnel. I mean, it could have been a portal, I don’t know. But it just felt like the sensation of that. And then at the end, coming there was a figure, and as it got closer, I saw it was Jesus and he had people behind him, but he was very flowy, like a fan was on his hair, you know, full, going back. And he told me I had to go back, and I told him I didn’t want to, because it’s really hard here. And he said you can, and you will. I mean, he was serious. But then he softened it up by saying, but I’ll always be around. And I was like, trying to soften the blow.
So as soon as he said that I’m back and I’m back. And the situation, I’m seeing these guys try to take the driver’s side of the car was wrapped around the trees. So they’re trying to pull that out. I’m looking at this, I’m looking at the rip in the universe. It looks like a God portal, it looks like it’s not fire, but it’s just this brilliant yellow and fiery looking thing, but not scary. It was just amazing. It was like a creation. I saw that same angel again, orangey gold, and I’m seeing different time periods in front of me, which can’t happen because it’s frozen. Why would I see Native American Indians cooking fish over fire, it is like freezing cold and frozen overground. And then I saw firemen in different costumes, different time periods, and people from different things. So, I saw him then in a tunnel and then the next year is when I had the big one that I spent time with him, and I haven’t left spending time with him since then.
That was when I was five and I died of ammonia, and I got very sick. And my parents didn’t take me to the doctor, the day went by, got sicker, and then, my fever got up to 103.9. And then my mom was saying to my stepdad, “we’ve got to take her to the hospital. “And he’s like, “no, we don’t have the money.” So we didn’t go. So she called the hospital. They said, put me in ice to lower my temperature, which when you have a fever, you’re usually freezing, right? I was cold, so when she put me in that ice, even though my fever was high, it was awful. And then she, you know, cleaned me off. She tried to feed me, didn’t work because you know, my lungs were shutting down. She didn’t know that. But she put me in bed within an hour, I was drenched. So she picked me up. She goes, “we got to go to the hospital.” We got into the car. She was holding me. He was driving.
That night happened to be the exact night- if you want to know what night it was when Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated and we’re in the south, we’re in Raleigh, North Carolina. So it was the National Guard, like you could not go out and so, but we had to, it was a medical emergency. So we were out on the way, my breathing became more shallow. I died on the way. It didn’t feel like it. I didn’t know I was dead. I mean, I’m still conscious. I just sort of drifted away and I’m just above the car, probably a hundred feet just kind of falling along and I’m seeing the fires in the background. And then we come to one of those National Guard stands where they had MP and all that on, and they asked, you know, what are we doing? He said, “this is my daughter. We got to get her, to the doctor. “So they actually called ahead and let us go through. And so they were waiting for me at the hospital, but at that point I was seeing everything from an exterior point of view, including even going into the hospital and what they did. I wasn’t just on the ceiling; I was kind of everywhere. I got bored. I would see what they were doing. I would see them pump like goop out of my lungs. And then I would go, oh, that’s gross. And I’d leave the room, I’d zoom around the hospital. So eventually, they kept back and forth for a couple hours. They told my mom they were trying to stabilize my vitals, but she didn’t know what that meant. She just didn’t.
And then eventually, after struggling so much. And I remember there were two male doctors and there were other people in there, but one of the male doctors said, “I have a little girl her age,” and some of the nurses were crying, which is not good. And then they covered me with a sheet. At some point between that room and the morgue, they saw a breath and they brought the doctors. And then I got put on a breathing tent and a breathing tube, I remember this, and no one ever told me. I talked to my mom about it and, and she’s like, yes. How do you know that they try to hide it? I guess it was a bad time. If you have a kid and you figure they died, you just, hey, just don’t say anything, you know, let’s forget all about it.
So, during that time I went back to the body and I saw two spirit people in a spirit form. one was a woman; one was a man and she was a nun and he was a priest. I could tell they were Catholic because they were rosaries. And the woman said,” blessed is the innocent.”And they were praying over me. Later on, I find out that used to be the older hospital that was built there was a Catholic run hospital. At that point, everything in an instant went and I’m in like this field. It’s so pretty. And Jesus is kneeling beside me and, and I know it’s him. He’s really glowy. He’s got this light coming out of his chest. He’s smiling, beautiful teeth. So happy and joyful. And there’s kids playing on a roundabout to the left. It looks like a beautiful sunny park day. It just looks so pretty. The colors are amazing. And he’s on one knee and he’s holding my hand and he’s smiling. I said, “you’re that man I talked to”. And he goes,” I am.” And he is so friendly, and he goes, “I have something for you …” And I said, “A toy?” because I’m five. And he goes, no. And he was funny. And then, and he pulled a piece of his rope belt off and it kind of looked like a friendship bracelet looked like it was tethered, it wasn’t very fancy. And he says, “I wrap you in my love, protection and wisdom; much is given, much you give through the big things, the small things will be accomplished. And through the small things, the big things would be done.” And then he said, “you have to go back. You have things to do. “And I said,” Nope, they’re here “and I pointed to the other kids, I’m like, “they’re here. I don’t need to go back. “
And so I did little kid stuff jumping around, you know, trying not to go back. And so, he said,” all right, let’s walk some, and you could ask me things, but then you have to go back.” So I spent three days in heaven with him. Of course, in reality, I don’t know how long it was, it felt much longer. And as he walked, I could see the blade of grass, the flowers, everything, follow him, the clouds, and then he, we went to this big tree. It was very pretty, looked like between a dogwood or a cherry blossom, but it was the flowers on the trees, but it had little red grapes on it. It they’re little. And then there was a rock and he said, well, we’ll sit here a minute. And I looked at the tree. He goes,” yeah, we don’t eat from that tree. That’s a wise tree. “And I was like, okay. And I thought that was interesting he said that. I think now that was what people consider the tree of life, but I knew I couldn’t go past that.
And so we sat there, and he said, “what do you want to know? “But then I asked really silly kid-like stuff, you know, like your kid, what are you going to ask, how’s the energy made? things like that. And then I said, how fast can I run? and then he started talking and he said, well, in this place things are done very quickly if we think that it’s done. I went, oh wow, that’s so cool. I want to do that. And so then I thought of us being in a little boat. on like a little river. And then he saw three fish. They swam up to him, picked one up, said,” hey, put it back. “He said, “this is how we fish here.” And then we go back to the scene of where we were. He said, “On the earth where you came from. It’s the same thing, but it takes a lot longer to manifest. You have to keep thinking that thought, so you want to be really mindful of what you think to make sure that you get the right things” and so it’s good to be positive. I said, okay.
Then he told me how to come back. He told me that he wanted to show my mother love because I had more love in me than she had for both of us. And I told him I wasn’t sure how to do that. He said, “well, there’s no right way or wrong way to show love. That’s something I know about.” I thought that’s kind of funny. And then, I didn’t realize what a hard lesson that would be because I loved my mother, but she also knew that I was being sexually molested. So I had to love her despite that. And I know a lot of people go, how can you do that? Well, were the options. Never talk to her again. She was a mile away or go, she made a really bad decision about that. You know, that’s between her and God. I’m just going to move on with my life and be grateful and forgive her and make the best of the time that’s here. So, you know, am I going to do? Hate my mom forever? I mean, it’s on her right? And ultimately, she has to come to terms with that. But that was a harder thing to deal with that he asked me to do.
And then he said the mission was to show people love as an example and be a role model. And he told me about this thing that I was supposed to do to help change the role with love and all this. Anyway, I said,” it’s too much. I can’t do all this.”
He goes, there’s other people like you doing this. You’re not alone. There’ll be people helping you. There are other people trying to help out. Okay? And I’m like, I don’t know. So he convinced me because you have to say yes- free will.
So I soon as I said yes, I was back. eventually went back in my body, not right away because I played Angel Farwell helping people out in rooms.
And then, I had a spirit doctor show up. He said, “Hi, I’m Dr. Tippen.” He had like a little, bald head, a little bow tie, and he says,” you need to get back in your body a little girl. “I’m like, no, it’s going to hurt, not doing it. So, Jesus showed up and said,” you need to get in your body.” And I went, he said, “you just lay in it and then be in it.” I said, “no, it’s going to hurt.” He goes, “I’ve taken care of that.” And soon as he said that I was in there. So since then I’ve heard him, I’ve seen him. He’s very funny. He’s very misunderstood. Okay? I don’t get mad at him. I don’t, but I don’t want to upset anyone here.
Johnny Burke: Wait, wait, you can say what’s true. I don’t really care if someone is upset. The whole point of having this show is to get experiencers to talk about truth, and if that goes against the grain or the agenda of the church or anything else for that matter, that’s not our problem. It’s their problem,
[Tamara Cualder Richardson: Okay. Well thank you for saying that. So he did not start the Christian religion. He thinks it’s great that people like that. He really doesn’t want people to worship him. He wants them to worship his father, as he calls it. And I know some people who say, mother, father, he says Father. Okay. That’s what he calls it. and you got to think he, he worships God. He’s thankful. He wants to help people. He wants to be a representative to you and be your friend. But he would rather people pray to God, and he wants people to have a direct connection and he doesn’t want a middleman. You see how this might upset some people here?
Johnny Burke: Good question. Who is the middleman?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Probably the church. But it could be the government, it could be anything. But he doesn’t want that. He wants direct. He doesn’t care if you’re a Hindu, blah, blah, blah. Plenty of NDE ers have been other religions. Again, Jesus is not a religion. He is an entity. I think he’s like a God- man, because he was pretty important over there. But he’s love. He is love and I’ve had people like, I don’t know him. I’m like, well, he still loves you. I mean, he loves people, people that you would not even talk to, that they’re like so despicable or mean. He just takes up for everybody. But he is very high and very ascended, but he’s very forgiving and he’s so much more. This is my opinion. By knowing him, he’s so much more than what the church says. And I think he keeps him small and keeps people small. He wants you to go direct. So that’s why people go, oh, you channel Jesus. I’m like, honestly, he loves talking to everybody. He would love to talk to you. And you go, well, how can I hear? Well, you start with dreams that you ask him stuff and nothing is too small, okay, you just start talking to him, he loves to talk to people. I would much rather get it from him than the news, which I completely don’t trust.
Johnny Burke: We’ll talk about that after the tape stops. I’ve got some questions on that. God and the Father; now I know you can’t really answer this fully, but since you did have this experience, who is or what is God?
Is it source?? Is it an energy source? What exactly is it?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Oh, wow. okay. Hardest question ever. Thanks, John. Oh my gosh. Well wait my mind is blown. Okay, so remember I was talking earlier about spirit people, how they can say one thing and it means more than one thing. Why? Because they’re multidimensional beings now, which is us, right?
Johnny Burke: We are multidimensional beings?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Correct. That’s it. And our body traps that. Okay. Because we forget going, oh, no, no. Look, I’m flesh. Right? You know, we forget, but we are. So we can go to these higher consciousness states. I hope I really do, genuinely that my life as an example, channeling not only Jesus, but alter dimensionals and higher beings that love us and our relatives, whoever it is, that let people know you can do it too. Why? Because we’re from heaven. Because it’s their natural state. Nothing is truly holding you back. And people, if there’s fear, it’s just not real. And if there’s something weird and fearful, you already know that in life what that is.
Okay. So we know Jesus is multidimensional. He showed us the transfiguration that you could do these things right, and more and more. What’s the and more? That’s what I want to know. But I think God is, it is really, really, really, really deep what you’re asking. But I’m going to answer it in a really kind of abstract kind of way. I feel like the God, the consciousness of all of us put together, including- this is heavy, including other planets, including other realms, but everything that’s life that has been
Johnny Burke: So it’s in all of us.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Is God. In all of us. It’s everything that’s been, and it’s personal, but it’s also God is creating these holographic experiences for our earth school here, so we can be able to learn from it and understand. But we are right now pretending. What about if you played, multiple lives; football every life and you always won, and you were like a star athlete? now you come back to Earth. The only way that that could be exciting again is if you forgot. So we’re here. We forgot that we’re a pretty big deal. We forgot our mission too, which is to love, as Jesus tells me. The job here is to be the love you’re created to be, and he means that with everything. So it’s not exactly easy. It sounds easy. Not exactly easy, not easy. I mean, that’s being love even when there’s the cabal and Illuminati and satanists and people trying to kill you and people trying to trick you. All that, still be the love. All that, all that crooked crap, all that manipulating us, trying to turn us into slave planet, all that, all that being the love. It’s just not easy. So he didn’t say that lightly. I think God is all of that. And God, I think that it’s almost like a Psalm, total neutral. We have to experience on earth, Psalm. Now I sort of sound like a Buddhist. You have to have some duality otherwise you don’t learn. If we’re all skipping around holding hands,
Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that probably close to a hundred times
Tamara Cualder Richardson: You got to have a little bit. But what happens with people, if you notice that the balance gets too much, like, okay, they lied to us. They’re trying to kill us, they’re trying to poison us. Now what are they doing to food? Then at some point, people, regular people start going, what in the heck is going on? And so the balance is off like, okay, you know, this is beyond learning. This is the balance is off. off So I think we’re recalibrating that balance, but we are interwoven, we’re that seed of life. We are inter involved, intertwined with some people call it God molecule, but source. The source of all things. The source of all things. Mountains, plants, inside the aliens. Even the crappy aliens, the ones that, you know, they got a weird agenda, all of it. Okay? And you think why? Well, there’s also free will. There is.
Did you notice Jesus we had to go back and forth till I agreed? cause its free will. It was free will. So even when people make bad decisions or even really dark evil ones. Let’s say they’re a killer. Right? Okay. A really bad killer. Right? That’s a decision. I feel like Jesus is the man so we can connect to someone that, that he can intercede. He totally is 100 percent serious about making everyone come clean because he knows this is a difficult world and he knows people make bad decisions. So good news; redemption for everybody. We should hold a party. But for the people that live here, it’s difficult, but I think we are part of God. It’s like when you look in someone’s eye, you’re looking into the eye of God. Therefore, you should love your neighbor.
Johnny Burke: That also recalls the principle of oneness. I know that’s tied into that whole concept anyway. And you’re right, it’s not an easy thing to try to explain, but I think you did a pretty good job. Speaking of free will, before I forget, a woman I’m going to, interview fairly soon, wrote a really interesting book. One of the things that she remembers during her NDE, she actually remembers the in-between space, which we haven’t really talked about. What she mentioned, which I thought was really, really interesting, was when she got to that space, she was really struggling with the choices she made when she could have made the spiritual choice, she often made the practical choice. And I guess it’s supposed to be a balance, but some people, I think they could take the high road or the low road. If they take the low road,
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Right.
Johnny Burke: when they get to that place, there’s going to be some regret. Does that make sense?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Yeah. That’s why I have compassion for people, and I know that in our earth body and the emotions and so forth we want to be better than our emotions. We want to be conscious things that when we get mad, we need to know, okay, I am mad. That’s not helping me, that’s not helping them. I need to calm myself down and then decide what is a good decision. And I feel like that, that we are conscious beings, and if we put our consciousness on higher level vibrational stuff and love, like that manifestation Jesus talked about, we could literally manifest. We can change. Things are not set in stone. And a lot of people have had it. They have had it. They are sick of it. They’re seeing through, what is it like the Wizard of Oz? They’re seeing, there’s a little mean man behind that screen. They’re done with it. And that’s actually positive because people are starting to take spiritual responsibility for where they are and make better decisions, and they’re more open to things and who they are. I always say the greatest journey you’ll ever have is the journey of yourself.
Johnny Burke: I think this talk has definitely triggered several issues which we’re not going to be able to get to tonight. We didn’t even get to the channeling, which I think is very, very important. But I do believe we’ll have to talk about that next time. So,
Tamara Cualder Richardson: I love the channeling, and can I say this? Everyone is channeling whether they know it or not.
Johnny Burke: And we’ll definitely get into that. To be continued. Tamara, thanks for coming on to the show tonight.
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Thank you.
Johnny Burke: Yes, it was great. How can our listeners find you online?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: Yeah, absolutely. They can go to on YouTube, the Seeking Heaven channel, and I do free spiritual lessons and so forth on there. And I appreciate so much today and what you’re doing. You’re one of those spiritual renegades and I’m right there with you, brother. we got to be,
Johnny Burke: Yeah. Thanks. I definitely appreciate it. So, is there one main website that’s got links to everything?
Tamara Cualder Richardson: the southernbellemedium.com