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#68 Jeannie Sullivan: Past Lives and The Spirit World

May 7, 2022 by jonny

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Jeannie Sullivan. She is a psychic medium who’s taught seminars on past lives, reincarnation, what the other side may look like, as well as Ascension and the beings in the spirit realm. Today, we’re going to be talking about how the spirit world works,-Jeannie, welcome to the program.

Jeannie Sullivan: Thank you very much for having me. I’m really happy to be here.

Johnny Burke: Being a medium, I’m sure you probably get this question a lot- what exactly is the difference between being a psychic and a medium?

Jeannie Sullivan: That is a great question. And I get that all the time, it’s a fabulous question. The difference between being a psychic and a medium, a psychic can read energy anywhere in the world. We are pretty good at predicting the future, telling stories about the past, and what your present might be looking like. So we read energy really, really well. So do psychic mediums. However, the difference between a psychic and a medium, is that mediums talk to dead people. It’s probably the easiest way to explain it. They are able to see and hear, feel, sometimes taste, but basically a medium can talk to dead people. Psychic intuitives generally don’t.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard it explained a variety of different ways, but I have heard more than once that all mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums.

Jeannie Sullivan: That is exactly true. All mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums. That is absolutely true.

Johnny Burke: As far as mediums are concerned, I know there are some, non-profits such as Forever Family Foundation and Windbridge, two organizations that come to mind that actually test and certify mediums. What are your feelings about that? , have you ever been tested or certified?

Jeannie Sullivan: I have not been tested in that way, and I’m not a certified medium. There are organizations that do that, and there’s a religion called Spiritualism that also tests their mediums as well. I do not feel that we need that. It’s great if you feel comfortable with that, I do think we need training. We need to know certain things like ethics and other things. I don’t think that you need to be certified because we all have this gift. We come into this world having this gift and we can all do it. It depends on whether or not you feel comfortable accessing this.

Johnny Burke: I bring that up because I think those organizations basically came into existence to alert people that there was fraud and yes, there is an effort in trying to curb the fraud. I spoke with Bob Ginsburg, who is the founder of Forever Family Foundation. Among other things, he remembers discovering a medium who would interview people and have two computer screens, one had their Facebook page open, which was very alarming. And I think their point of view, is only about 15% of the mediums that go through the programs actually get certified. So their feeling is there’s an awful lot of people out there that either doesn’t know what they’re doing or are not quite developed enough. I think at some point it wouldn’t shock me to see that field maybe in the future being regulated.

With your training, speaking of which, can you give us an idea of how you found yourself on the path, what classes you took, or who you studied with?

Jeannie Sullivan: It’s an interesting path. I have always been able to read energy. I’ve always been a psychic medium when I was younger. I didn’t have the words for that. And I’ve always been an empath, and that someone who feels everything, my stuff, your stuff, and everybody else’s stuff. So you need to learn how to discern what’s yours, what somebody else’s, and you need to discern how to speak with spirit as well.

My training started in earnest in 1996. The catalyst to that was I got divorced, and I wanted to get better and getting better mentally, physically, and emotionally also meant learning these gifts. So I’ve been trained by very good people. I did an introduction to Tarot with a woman who was very well known in the Portland Maine area. I’ve also been trained by an amazing Reiki Master teacher, and I trained through primus activation healing technique with a woman Samira asked her, who’s probably better known as negotiation. So I’ve been trained by really good people with really strong ethics. I think that that’s important. I do a whole bunch of things before anybody comes and has a reading with me. I set an intention, I say prayer of protection for me and for them, just allowing what is the divine white light to be able to come in and that’s it.

Johnny Burke: We know that the training is obviously important. Going back to how you knew that you were a medium early on, did you have experiences with spirits, ghosts in your bedroom, that type of thing, when you were young?

Jeannie Sullivan: No, because I wouldn’t let them in. My experiences came in bits and pieces because the universe doesn’t give us anything more than what we’re ready for. So my journey to be a medium, it was a long one. I would admit to myself that I was a psychic, intuitive, and I could read energy. I could understand people’s feelings. I could assess the situation from an energetic standpoint or a psychic standpoint. And I did that for many, many years, and it wasn’t until I started doing something called psychic dinners here in Maine that I allowed myself to say,” I was a medium “, because people would come and say, “I want to talk to so-and-so” and I’d be like, yeah”, no, I don’t do that.”

I was saying I wasn’t a medium, but I didn’t feel comfortable. And I think it’s hysterical because I didn’t want uncle Charlie, whose ever Uncle Charlie it was to show up in the middle of night and go, “hi, here I am.” I didn’t want that to happen, except that when I moved to the town that I live in now, it started happening with regularity because the town that I live in, there are more dead people than there are alive people. And they’re like, “woo, new girl in town and she can hear us!”

Johnny Burke: That’s great.

Jeannie Sullivan: So they kept me up at night. That was a really long process. I saw shadows at first, and that I could tell if they were male or female energy, and then slowly over time, they morphed into actual beings. When I started, it was easier to see the people that I was related to, than the people that weren’t. I think that’s one of the misconceptions that we see it all, we see it all the time, and that’s not the case. We grow and change and morph into this, just like you grow and change and morph into any job that you have. I look back on it now, I kind of chuckle at myself like, honey, you were a medium the whole time. You just didn’t allow yourself to be that.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a bit. The gifts, the abilities usually manifest pretty early on. Usually the kids are like, four or five years old. You mentioned also misconceptions, and I think it’s an important thing to talk about. What are the most common misconceptions of mediums that you know of?

Jeannie Sullivan: I think that we know everything all the time and that we’re on all the time, and that we’re reading all the time. You can’t do that because you’ll burn yourself out, and your human body is not designed to sustain that very high vibrational energy. Our souls can, but our human bodies come along for the ride, and they can exhaust themselves very easily trying to sit in that high vibrational energy. It’s kind of like running a marathon; you have to train to run that kind of energy because it’s so high vibrational.

What happens is, the beings on the other side lower their vibration, we raise ours as high as we can get it, and we have a conversation somewhere in the middle. Our human bodies are not designed to sit in that energy. So I think that’s one of the miscommunications that we’re reading all the time, that we are on all the time, that we know everything and that we see everything. We don’t. We just get enough information from the other side for either for me to understand it, or the client to understand it. Lots of times I will say something like” this does not make any sense to me, but this is the third time I’ve gotten it in this session. So I’m going to say, this”. And it makes no sense to me, but the client goes, “oh my gosh, that I know exactly what you’re talking about”. There’s lots of misconceptions, but those are probably the most common that I bump up against.

Johnny Burke: And what you just mentioned- you don’t know what the significance of that information that came up three times. So I’m going to relay it. That would be an example of evidential, mediumship, right? That’s what I thought. In all fairness, that’s probably as good, as substantial as being certified.
I think there are mediums that are not certified, that are great. I’ve talked to quite a few mediums that went through and actually passed and actually got certified and they will be usually the first ones to tell you that “I know several mediums that are not certified, that are fantastic.”

Jeannie Sullivan: Oh, yeah.

Johnny Burke: the evidence comes out and pieces of evidential information that only the client can verify. Now, I believe you’ve also had shamanic training as well.

Jeannie Sullivan: That is true. I am what is called the Mesa Carrier, and you can do a Mesa for a lot of things. Mine happens to be a healing Mesa, so I use it with my energy work. It’s 13 stones that I have maybe not put blood in but sweat and tears and a lot of energetic work into. I incorporate that into my healing sessions. Though I am not a shaman, and never will be, unless I studied Celtic shamanism.

I am a shamanic practitioner. I am very careful not to misappropriate other people’s cultures. I use the Mesa when I’m doing my energy healings like Reiki or Primus. it adds a really nice balancing element to it. And, it really has made my energetic sessions with people very shamanically informed.

Johnny Burke: That modality is probably one of the oldest. I think it’s interesting that you mentioned shamanism. I’ve been told that part of the Catholic or Pre-Christian past has been repressed by church and state for literally centuries.

Jeannie Sullivan: Celtic shamanism is a thing, it’s not just North American shamanism or Native American, there’s indigenous cultures all over the world that have their own shamanic practices. And you are absolutely correct; Religion has done an excellent job of squashing any kind of indigenous practice everywhere.

Johnny Burke: In several instances, four or five different movements, which I think are correlated with certain Renaissance movements, which have to do with experience, the Gnostics, and so forth. That’s probably a discussion for a different day, but it’s interesting that I’m hearing more and more people that have had some kind of shamanic training or are shamanic practitioners and or ministers.

You’ve actually taught seminars on past lives and reincarnation, and you are a psychic medium. So you are pretty well steeped in the world beyond the veil. In your work, have you done something similar to a past life regression? what is your experience with beings, spirits, beyond the veil?

Jeannie Sullivan: I have had a multitude of experiences, including my own experiences. I’ve had sessions, with someone who’s been trained for life between lives, from the Michael Newton Institute, and they take you in a hypnotic state, right back to the other side. I have seen the best as far as it led me in the other side. There’s just a certain point that as humans, we can go, because if we go any further, that means that we have really crossed.

Johnny Burke: You can’t come back at that point.

Jeannie Sullivan: Right. You can’t come back to that point. So your body’s hanging out, and you’re kind of on the other side. My own experience, I’ve made it as far as a waiting room, and it is the first place that we tend to go when we cross, if we need it, there are other souls that greet us and help us cross over the veil. Then we get into this big meeting hall and there’s everybody, your people, you, but there’s also a whole host of other beings there as well. We gather in the meeting hall and then that’s the first step. Then you go further in, and you have your life review. You have your life set up before you get here, you do your contract work. Then when you go back, you have a life review, and your spiritual team kind of talks you through it and you’re like, “Ooh, I did a really great job when I did that. Ooh, that was not so great.” And that kind of stuff. So, you have your life review and then you go further on into what I describe as heaven.

So I’ve made it as far as the meeting room. So, but that’s it, because like you said, if I step any further, then I’m not here anymore.

Johnny Burke: That’s what I’ve been told so I think what you just described is that you do encounter your soul group, right?

Jeannie Sullivan: Yes.

Johnny Burke: This is a hypnosis session. one thing that I think maybe confusing to some people, is that during these sessions, are you viewing a past event or is it actually more in real time? happening right this moment?

Jeannie Sullivan: It is happening right at this moment. And it’s also past life, because all time is now. There are different dimensions that we live in and go through, especially if you’re a psychic medium or someone who does hypnosis, or you’re psychic. You learn those different dimensions. So all time is now because our brain can’t handle that, we structure it in our brain like a filing cabinet, and we call it a past life. You can access that is something called the Akashic Records. Or you can go into a meditative state -shamans all it a journey. You can access it that way. You can go to someone and be put in a hypnotic state and view your past lives yourself.

What’s really fascinating was that when I had my sessions done, and to answer your question, yes, they are recorded. My voice changed, my mannerisms changed, how I said things were changed and there was a point where my soul was very impatient with the person that was asking me questions, because it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter that you’re asking about the color purple. That does not matter. And the funny thing is I couldn’t describe the color purple because we don’t have that color on Earth.

Johnny Burke: Right. In this space, whether it’s in the meeting room or beyond, which I think is called the council of elders or the karma council, I’ve been told that some of these beings actually have a sense of humor, is that true?.

Jeannie Sullivan: They do, and the universe loves irony. And they have a great sense of humor. They crack me up all the time. What I find is that the universe and universal forces can be incredibly ironic.

Johnny Burke: I remember one conversation where someone was having a life review. What he told me was that this being, I’m not sure whether he called that God or Jesus or the universe, actually took on a very colloquial manner,because they were reviewing some of the things he did in his life. And one thing was obviously not,very well. And the being told him telepathically, that wasn’t too cool. That was incredible. I thought it’s just such a thing of beauty, but since we’re on the subject of spirit guides-I think this is pretty important, because I do feel some people confuse spirit guides with other beings that may be earthbound ghosts and things like that that are not developed. Do you find the same thing?

Jeannie Sullivan: Correct. If you are an earthbound ghost, you are caught in between, and that’s one of the worst places you can be from a soul standpoint because you’re not human anymore and you’re not crossed over into the light. So what happens is you’re stuck in between, and in order to get energy, you need to- this sounds gross, but you need to feed off humans because we have energetic light. Not that they’re taking our blood and all that, but they are taking our energy. So you’re kind of stuck in between. You’re not in the love and the light. You’re not, but you’re not on earth either. So, you are stuck and you’re in between, and in order to be able to be there, you attach yourself to humans and feed off their life force energy.

Johnny Burke: Interesting. I’ve been told that sometimes that person that is stuck, can possibly be rescued by some of either their spirit guides or some of the relatives that have already crossed over.

Jeannie Sullivan: They can be rescued not necessarily rescued but sent on by humans. you can be trained how to, it’s called psychopomp, if you’re a shamanic practitioner, or if you’re a psychic medium, who does that work, you can help spirits cross.

Johnny Burke: Is that a soul retrieval or ?

Jeannie Sullivan: No, that’s something different. Soul retrieval is a gift that you receive, your spirit guides give you a gift. And that’s often a piece of you that got removed when trauma happened, or you gave your power away or a multitude of other reasons, and it can happen in a past life. So you get that gift back from yourself. So that is a soul retrieval, that’s pieces of your soul being put back to you. and I can’t think of the other thing right now. Cause all I can think of is recapitulation, which is something else entirely.

Johnny Burke: We can get to that, of course. Did you just say recapitulation?

Jeannie Sullivan: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Okay so what is that exactly?

Jeannie Sullivan: Recapitulation is, I would put someone in a meditative state, and we would decide beforehand, it has to do with bringing your power back. It’s not a soul retrieval. It happens in this lifetime usually. If you and I had a recapitulation session together, you would pick a memory from this lifetime that you gave your power away. So I would put you in a meditative state and we would talk through what happened. Then we go back to the memory, and you would say I’ve been carrying something that does not belong to me. You gave it to me. This happened, I am giving it back to you because it’s not mine to hold anymore. for whatever reason, whatever that memory is about. And then you place it in that memory and then you wall off that memory, so that energy can affect you anymore. Then I have you actually turn in your meditative state, and we decided ahead of time how you can bring back your power to you.
So what I do for myself is that I gather a big bouquet of lit flowers, the little lights, like Christmas tree lights that look like flowers. And I gathered them up into this huge bouquet. And I put that light back into my chest. And that’s a way for me to signal that I am taking my power back. So I put all the stuff that I don’t need in the memory -I wall off the memory. I grab whatever I decide to use to signify that I am taking my power back. Then I leave that memory. I call it “coming back to the room.” It is incredibly, incredibly powerful. You feel the difference from before and after.

Johnny Burke: Sounds like it’s almost like getting a tune-up or something. Thought that was a pretty crude analogy, but I guess it serves the purpose. With your work, what you do with a client. Is it roughly equivalent to like a past life regression or is it much more of a comprehensive approach?

Jeannie Sullivan: Kind of depends on what the client needs. Sometimes it can be very much a past life regression, and oftentimes it deals with this lifetime here. But that doesn’t mean that it’s not informed by something that happened before, because when we cycle through our lives, what we didn’t learn the last time gets brought back to this lifetime. I have a very interesting story about that, which we may get to, but we get represented in different ways what we didn’t learn in other life.

Johnny Burke: Do you find that when you’re in sessions with a client, that they’re taken back to past life and they recognize someone, wherever that takes place, who is actually in their current life?

Jeannie Sullivan: Yes, when we’re on the other side, we hang out with our soul group, but we also come to human form with the same, or parts of the same soul group, we move together. We are on the other side together, we decide who does what, when, where, and how. We come together. Then tend to cross with the same soul group. So yes, lots and lots of times in a past life, you meet the same quote, unquote people. This lifetime, my mother was my mother. In another lifetime, she might’ve been an aunt or a sister or, a storekeeper or whatever it is we set up and agree to in our contract before we get here, plays what to teach us what in this lifetime.

Johnny Burke: So in your life, just to clarify, when you viewed some of your past lives, people that are in your life today?

Jeannie Sullivan: Yes. Yes,

Johnny Burke: Can you just go over exactly who they are?

Jeannie Sullivan: So for example, there is a man that I used to know, and he is in this vein. and we’ve had a very significant, significant lifetime together. It ended with him killing me. He killed me after some horrifying things happened before that, and then he killed me. I feel I was a queen in that lifetime. And, in order to teach my subjects a lesson, he quartered me. And now, we had for a short period of time in this lifetime an experience. And another, I had a friend, another guy, he was a friend, he’s a muggle.

Johnny Burke: What is a muggle?

Jeannie Sullivan: Oh, that’s a good question; a muggle is somebody who does not have any spiritual or magical gifts. It comes from Harry Potter. And so, he is the muggliest person I’ve ever met. And I’ve had a couple of exchanges with him that brought me back to a past life that we have had. This particular friend now, not that we’re friends anymore. We’ve had two significant lifetimes, together, and we are together again, in this lifetime and this time it was my choice to represent something for him. In this lifetime, it was his choice to either grow from it and change and learn or not. And he did not. And I’m like, okay, I’m done. I’m not doing this for you anymore. This is at least the third time that I know about. And I’m done. You’re on your own bud.

Johnny Burke: These people that you just mentioned, have you made them aware that you recognize them from a life in the past or not?

Jeannie Sullivan: No. the friend that I was telling you about, the muggle friend of mine, have had conversations and there’s just so far he’s willing to go. It would not have been worth the argument to explain to him about past lives and all that kind of stuff.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. I can imagine

Jeannie Sullivan: Yeah. And the other guy I’m like, oh, I got to go. for my safety’s sake, like energetically safety, not my physical safety sake. It was time for me to go.

Johnny Burke: What is this guy like now? I’m just curious, the one who killed you in the past life. Mild-mannered? Hothead?

Jeannie Sullivan: He appears to be very mild-mannered. And if you did not know any spiritual practices, you would think that he was a really great guy. But, I do not find him to be very ethical . Clearly, he did not learn. his lessons.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like he might’ve learned his lessons-

Jeannie Sullivan: That’s true. At least he’s not, killing anybody anymore,

Johnny Burke: Not that you know of.

Jeannie Sullivan: Right?

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the in-between space, which I’ve heard many, many people talk about -it’s almost like casting a movie or casting a play. One question That does come up, the people that agree to play the bad guy, maybe it’s for the benefit of the group or not. But they think, Jeanie, guess what? I’m going to be the guy that breaks your heart, or I’m going to rob your house or I’m going to kill your family. I’m going to do this for that because you need to learn this, and the rest of us need to learn compassion, or whatever that might be. Do you find that those people, because they agree, get some kind of karmic exemption from the bad acts because they’re planned,or not necessarily.?

Jeannie Sullivan: I don’t think there’s a karmic exception in their process, they also learn a lot and sometimes we set things up and they go haywire. Cause when we incarnate, we forget everything from the other side. And not to be political, not Biden, our former president 45, I think one of his jobs was to be who he was to help wake up the world as difficult as it was. And he continues to be, I think to a certain extent that was a karmic role for him.

Johnny Burke: Maybe the QAnon people are right, maybe he was sent here by God, but not for the reasons that that camp believes in. It sounds crazy, but that explanation is a lot more believable than the other things that Q Anon believes in, which we’re not going to go into that -not on this show.

Since you have a lot of experience, you understand the reincarnation cycle, and the life between lives, I think is a critical piece in understanding how the life/ death /rebirth cycle really works which, the Buddhists for example, have been talking about for the past five or 6,000 years, if not longer. What is your experience with souls that have committed suicide? We know what the religious groups say about that, but I want to hear it from someone who has experience beyond the veil.

Jeannie Sullivan: My experience is that they are very, very compassionate, especially if you are suffering. Really suffering. They have compassion anyway because on the other side, all it is love. It’s pure, unconditional love. And the being who has the hardest time with committing suicide is the being that did it. Once they get on the other side, we tend to be very hard on ourselves. And our spirit guides are far more gentle with us.

I have an interesting story being on this side. so you know that I’m a medium and in 2014, life was not good. So I had decided to make a plan and the day that I decided to execute the plan, I got up from the kitchen table to go get the implement. And I heard very sternly,” sit down”, and I am the only one in the room. I’m the only one in the building that I’m in. And I don’t really pay attention to it. I take a couple more steps. Even more sternly. I here “sit down.” So I sat down, and we had a conversation. Me and the other side, and the other side said,” we’re not going to stop you. If you choose to decide to do this, we will not stop you. However, if you do this, we are going to bring you back in another lifetime, to this very moment. It might be a different circumstance, but you will be brought back to this very moment, and you’re going to have to decide again.” And I’m like, forget that I am not ever going to be in this situation again, ever. So game on, I didn’t do the deed, so to speak, I didn’t grab the knife. I didn’t slit my wrist. I didn’t do any of that. I’m like, I am not going to ever going to be in this position again. And so we will move forward, be very much alive.

But I found it really very interesting that yes, they were compassionate and incredibly clear that “yes, you can do this. This is your choice. However, if you do this, you’re going to be brought right back again and another lifetime because you didn’t learn the lessons that you set up for yourself.” However, if you are incredibly in pain and agony, either mentally or physically, I knew they are very compassionate, and they look at that differently.

Johnny Burke: That was a great explanation of what is most likely to happen. I’ve heard the same thing. We don’t want to confuse this with what certain religions say about, this is a sin, that’s a sin. By now most of us know that committing suicide or being gay is not a sin. That’s deeply silly, among other errors in the Bible, and there’s plenty. But I think it’s a very important lesson, that if we choose to do something like that, we’re going to be put in the same situation more than likely, until we learn our lesson.

A man named Walter Semkiw basically took the works of Dr. Ian Stevenson, who we all know as a pioneer in reincarnation research, built a website called reincarnation research.com and took the most important cases of Dr. Stevenson, he made them into a readable format because Stevenson basically wrote for the academics. One book that he wrote on birthmarks in reincarnation cases is 2000 pages long. So if he were alive today, he probably wouldn’t be trying to sell books on Amazon.

And this is Walter’s idea where he basically said “if there was a widespread acceptance of reincarnation, there would be, no fear of death.” In other words, a greatly decreased fear of death. If there is a greatly decreased fear of death, there would be less emphasis and importance of religion with less importance and emphasis on religion, we would have a lot less wars. I guess the devil’s advocate would respond to say,” if everybody believed in that, then what would keep them from offing themselves, if things don’t go right?” You just supplied the answer for that, because, you do have free will, but what’s probably most likely to happen is that you’re going to put in the same situation again and again and again, until you learn your lesson . Then at that point, you will most likely make a decision as you did.

Jeannie Sullivan: Right.

Johnny Burke: I thought that was a very important episode as is this one, because as more and more people are starting to believe in the afterlife and even in reincarnation, I’ve heard people say ” that’s a dangerous thought because if things get tough, they can just kill themselves and be reborn.” I don’t think it’s that simple. And you don’t either.

Jeannie Sullivan: Or that easy.

Johnny Burke: No, it isn’t, because it’s akin to being held back a grade.

Jeannie Sullivan: Right. And sometimes again and again and again and again, cause some of us are slow learners.

Johnny Burke: What do you do think are the most important takeaways from the spirit world, especially for that person that wants to get to higher spiritual ground, doesn’t quite know how to get there, and for those people that go to traditional worship ceremonies, they do reach a point where they just can’t go any farther. They have to really go beyond that point and learn what really happens when you die? Why are we really here? And it’s not just” live our best life and collect as many toys and make as much money and win everything. “

It has to be more than that.

Jeannie Sullivan: It is, on the other side is all about unconditional love among other things, but the big takeaway is unconditional support, unconditional love. And this side, we are here to learn. You’re right. It’s not to get the most money or get the best car or the best biggest boat or whatever. It’s to learn compassion, learn how to get along with each other. Learn love. I don’t mean just romantic love. I mean, all love, love the person who doesn’t look like you, who doesn’t act like you. We are here to learn lessons and that’s why we come here. That’s why we have contracts. I also feel like we come here because there’s a physicality that we get here that we can’t get on the other side. I am a medium and my parents had passed away, and yes, I get to talk to my parents and other people who passed away that I love very much, but it’s not the same. I can’t hug them. I can’t kiss them cause they’re light form and I’m not. That’s the big takeaway- be kind, be thoughtful, be considerate, be loving, learn to get along with other people. Everybody, not just the people that you like and learn.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Jeannie, thanks so much for joining us today. Excellent. Excellent information. How can our listeners find more about you online?

Jeannie Sullivan: I have my own website. It’s www.heartfeltenergies.com and I’m on Facebook. And I have a Gmail address, heartfeltenergies @gmail.com,but my website is heartfeltenergies .com

#52 Stephanie Red Feather: The Evolutionary Empath

January 15, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Empaths, Shamanism

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Reverend Dr. Stephanie Red Feather, a shamanic minister, healer, founder of Blue Star Temple, and author of The Evolutionary Empath. Today, we will be talking about her journey on becoming a shamanic minister and what we need to know about empaths. Stephanie, welcome to the program.

Stephanie Red Feather: Thanks so much, John.

Johnny Burke: A very interesting path you have followed; what made you choose shamanism and becoming a healer and so forth.

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah, well, the path chose me, as is the way it goes so often. like quick snapshot of my childhood, I was a very creative, intuitive child. I went to a performing arts school, like the TV show fame. I played Cowboys and Indians. I was always the Indian, long before I knew what a medicine woman was. I had my little, crocheted drawstring bag from the seventies, and it had like little rocks and sticks and costume jewelry and bits of stuff, all the seeds were kind of there. And so this, this very nature girl, performing arts dancer, singer writer, fast forward a few years, and I got a math degree and became an air force officer. What I call the pre-quake tremors began as I was preparing to leave the air force.

I was in for 10 years and had that small, still voice that I’m actually surprised I even heard that said it was time to get out. And I didn’t know what I was going to do next. My financial advisor that I’d been with for 10 years said, “well, Hey, Steph, you’re really good with people, you want to be a financial advisor?” I was like, okay, sure because I didn’t, know how to listen to my heart at that time. I’m like, “oh, you think I’ll be good at that? Okay, I’ll do that. ” And so I prepare to spend all this time and I quit and less than six months. Cause I hated it.

That is what really threw me full force into my spiritual awakening. What ensued is about a five-year period of time that I call the spiritual crucible. Where I was just getting cooked down and cooked down and that I thought was solid, started falling apart. I began questioning everything and I think my spiritual awakening was so painful and long because I was fighting. I did not know how to surrender gracefully. I had no tools. I had no prior experience with something this intense. When my time in the crucible was complete, I was able to tune into the subtle energies and understand and explain what was happening at a very subtle level.

From this experience is how my spiritual business was born. It was like, my heartfelt compelled if I could support other people in their spiritual awakening, or through their traumatic events that traditional psychology and traditional methods of help don’t necessarily touch. So that led me through becoming a Reiki master and learning all different kinds of other healing modalities and pursuing the shamanic path.

Johnny Burke: Well, it seems that often the spiritual awakening is triggered by some kind of intuitive voice. I’m interested, how you chose the shamanic path, what exactly is a shamanic practitioner?

Stephanie Red Feather: A shamanic practitioner is someone who has studied shamanism, whether that’s with an indigenous tribe or, through an apprenticeship. , in this day of modern shamanism lines are not as distinct as they used to be. And the initiations are not necessarily done in the old traditional ways of, of many thousands of years. My belief is that everybody is shamanic in their soul, in their being, whether they choose to express or embrace that is of course up to them.

Johnny Burke: we all have that seed within us.

Stephanie Red Feather: I absolutely believe so. As I study and practice and improving in tradition of shamanism called the Pachakuti Mesa tradition. It was created by my teacher, who’s still alive. His name is Don Oscar Miro Quesada. And he says the shaman’s task is to come into the right relationship and reverent communion with the seen and unseen world. So as to mediate between the worlds on behalf of the community or the individual, shamanism at its heart is recognizing that the entire world is, alive and sentient and communicating.

Johnny Burke: What are the parallels between shamanism and mediumship because they both seem to crossover the veil into the spirit world.

Stephanie Red Feather: In my belief is you could list a hundred different Healing modalities. And to me, they’re all just facets of the same thing. all just ways of connecting with the alive sentiment, communicating universe, mediumship is a way of depending on who they’re connecting with. It could be connecting with your soul. The Akashic Records, a future self. It could be connecting with, people that are connected to you and your soul family or people who have passed. So it’s, it’s just a matter of accessing. Alternate dimensions of reality, which are all out happening at the same time.

We’re all interdimensional travelers. We just may not know it. And it takes some effort to do it consciously. many Shamana traditions are rooted in the idea of. Traveling into different dimensions of time and space, in support of whoever’s come to you for healing or for your own healing,

Johnny Burke: So when you talk about traveling into different dimensions, that obviously it brings up time and space I’ve been told several times that the fifth dimension, for instance, time is not linear. As we know it here on earth. Is it possible to actually go back in time and try to correct something where what has an impact on the future, or is that not realistic?

Stephanie Red Feather: Well, my belief is yes, and there’s a level of responsibility and consciousness that that sort of thing should be done with stepping outside of linear time. That’s part of my spiritual practice part of my shamanic practice. To me, that is essentially the same as saying we’re stepping outside of linear time when we step into these other dimensions. Because in the realm of spirit, all dimensions are happening simultaneously parallel universes, past, present, and future all happening at the same time. So if you think of them as parallel roads running in the same direction, and you’re just kind of hopping from one to the next and what does the view look like over here? And how is my life differently if I look at it from this point of view? And what can I access or learn about myself? If I go to the past, or if I go to the future and, meet a future self.

Johnny Burke: Have you or any of your clients- were they able to go back and actually meet their past or their future self for that matter?

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah. I worked with people to take them on journeys, to meet their future self, to do soul retrieval pieces, to do I don’t call it past life regression, but just access to past lives to access, maybe something that happened then, that is unresolved or affecting them now, or, or some piece of themselves that got left there. When a traumatic event happens, sometimes a piece of us will stay stuck at that point in space-time, and we can go back and retrieve it and up and bring it back into the whole. so yeah, absolutely.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like there may be certain things that a shamanic practitioner is able to do that maybe a medium cannot. Or are they just different avenues to access the Akashic records?

Stephanie Red Feather: In terms of access, I would say mediumship and shamanism are very similar in that they are just accessing, whatever body whatever field of living intelligence they are connecting with. Mediumship in its pure definition is more of a channel, whereas a shamanic adept or shamanic practitioner usually has a healing component to it where they’re doing some sort of healing work with somebody.

Johnny Burke: Which again, draws a parallel to the past life regression therapist, because often that has to do with healing, something from the past.

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah, absolutely, and they’re also very related. I don’t stove, pipe them and say well, mediumship is only this and shamanism is this because it is through that access to the other dimensions that we can retrieve the information in the energetic frequencies to help heal it.

Johnny Burke: A lot of these things do seem to be related; lots of spiritually transformative events, mystical experiences like a Kundalini Awakening or a near-death experience; they all seem to access that phenomenon that which we call source or the records or the quantum realm, which may be the same thing. How’d you got the name Blue Star Temple? And tell us a little bit more about why you gravitated toward the Peruvian Shamanic tradition.

Stephanie Red Feather: My business I stood it up in March of 2007 with the name red feather connections, red feather being my last name. and it i, actually a llegal last name. red feathers, a name that came to me in a vision with one of my shamanic teachers. And so, I got married the second time I took it on as my legal last name. I very much believe that everything has energy. Everything has a particular frequency. And several years ago is I was visioning where I was headed in my sacred work. I knew that Red Feather Connections as a name, as an energetic container was coming to an end. And it could not hold the magnitude of what I was stepping into.

And so I was petitioning source: what do I call this new version? And as I was falling asleep one night, in that sort of liminal space, half awake, half asleep, I was almost shocked awake, like sat up in bed. And spirit had just downloaded me with blue star university and yes! Of course! Oh my God, that’s perfect! So, in the coming day, I tuned in, did my spiritual practice, did some journaling, I realized that Blue Star University is, the very, very big, picture end goal that I, I haven’t even into consciousness yet all of what that implies. But what they gave me was the first step of Blue Star Temple. I very much am connected to our cosmic origins, to the idea that we have star relatives, that we are Starseeds. that I am most connected to is Sirius or star technically.

Johnny Burke: you must be reading my mind because that was the next question.

Stephanie Red Feather: So blue, temple really is an homage to my star ancestry of Sirius. To a lesser degree, it also includes the earth as a blue planet and Venus, because I do so much work with the divine feminine and the balance of the masculine and feminine. All that symbolism is wrapped up in the name blue star.

Johnny Burke: Now, since you mentioned Starseeds . One of the things that may be an underserved topic as our relation to other star beings and being reincarnated from other worlds.

Stephanie Red Feather: I definitely believe in reincarnation. That just depends on our souls’ choices, many of us have incarnations off-planet. You know, the earth is not the only place to come and embody.

Johnny Burke: Would it make sense to theorize that David Bowie was definitely not of this earth, in a good way because I think he was called the star man for very good reasons, and it wasn’t just a cute title either.

Stephanie Red Feather: Well, and it’s interesting- I dabble in shamanic astrology It’s a specific way of looking at astrology. It’s, it’s slightly different than traditional astrology. There’s a particular placement where if you have your moon in Aquarius, It actually speaks to many, many lifetimes off-planet. My mom has an Aquarius moon and all her life, she has struggled with being in a meat sack!

Johnny Burke: Why do I feel like an alien? Since you mentioned astrology, I think it’s a very interesting topic when we try to connect the dots. Might be a discussion for another day. But I definitely keep that mind because when we talk about the spirit world, the mediums, and, and shamanism and all these different experiences, eventually that tends to spill over into the star beings and the other worlds. It seems that we know very little about it, but what do we need to know about, being reincarnated from other worlds or other star systems?

Stephanie Red Feather: Well, my belief is that the soul incarnates to experience itself. If you’ve read the Conversations With God books, I’m paraphrasing, but basically, God tells Neale Donald Walsch, who wrote the series, that I didn’t want to just know who I am, I wanted to experience who I am. Incarnating and physical form. The soul was making choices, I think souls have personalities too. Some are more adventurous, some are more pragmatic, and so I definitely believe that many, many people have had off-planet incarnations. And I want to tie it back to shamanism for a moment; just about every indigenous tradition on this planet talks openly about the star beings as part of their creation myths, especially for the Andean traditions, the Pleiadeans are very strong,

Johnny Burke: Definitely.

Stephanie Red Feather: I have a very strong tie to Egypt, many past lives there. Sirius plays a very large role in Egyptian ancient culture. There are many places where you can look in our ancient history and see incredible evidence of being visited by off-planet intelligence.

Johnny Burke: Yes, indeed. You just mentioned you remember some of your past lives. Was that from Egypt or was it a collection of different places? Where did they originate in?

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah. Just through my own healing work and lots of processes I’ve done over 20 years or whatever, I’ve, I’ve touched in with many different past lives. One of them where I fought in the civil war, and one of them where I was a native American and in what is currently the US. While I haven’t tuned into every single past life in Egypt, I have tuned into segments and fragments. I cannot deny the connection I have. I went to Egypt in 2017 and it was just life-changing. My own reaction and emotion and experience of just talking about Egypt, thinking about it, looking at artifacts, reading books about it going there, documentaries about it, it just lights me up from head to toe.

Johnny Burke: Pretty amazing. since we’re on the subject for Egypt, do you believe because of your connection and your feeling, your intuition about that place that at one point, before the time of the pharaohs that that civilization did actually operate in 5 D?

Stephanie Red Feather: We haven’t brought up my book yet, but one of the contexts that I bring up is this concept of the great year. And depending on the source that you cite, some say it’s a 24,000-year cycle. Some say it’s a 26,000-year cycle. The point is we are not as intelligent and evolved as a species as we have ever been.; It is cyclical. In this great year concept shows that we raise in consciousness for many thousands of years, hit our peak in the golden age and then start descending in consciousness and moving back into ignorance. And who knows how many times we have made this loop?

Johnny Burke: Kind of like a stock market chart almost. That what it sounds like. Hopefully, it is trending up, very interesting. Let’s talk about the book, The Evolutionary Empath. First of all, what is an evolutionary empath?

Stephanie Red Feather: Well, empath is a title that’s been used for many decades. Casually, in spiritual circles and consciousness circles. When I sat down to write this book, my spirit guides gave me one directive and that was to create a formal definition. And I said, okay, sure, no pressure. And so yeah, I spent a lot of time just gathering and sorting through data from empath workshops and other workshops that I had done, and really distilled it down to five distinct qualities of an empath. So, in general, an empath is a person who’s highly sensitive. We feel other people’s stuff. I’d like to go ahead and share these five qualities.

Johnny Burke: definitely.

Stephanie Red Feather: awesome. So the first quality is our ability to merge with and absorb the energy of other beings, whether that’s people, animals, anything with life force. Which stems from a very open personal energy field. It’s also the quality that causes us to unconsciously take on other people’s emotions and problems and struggle with boundaries. So each one of these has its sort of antithesis.

Johnny Burke: It’s kind of like a sponge almost, right?

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah, the second quality is that we have a highly sensitive nervous system, which may sound kind of like, well duh!, nervous systems are supposed to be sensitive, but, for empaths, it’s like the volume got turned up doubly. And so we’re very prone to overwhelm overstimulation, so it requires a lot of extra vigilant self-care.

The third quality is the great sensitivity to energies around us and an inability to perceive or access subtle information that’s stored in the energy field of all types of life forms. So, so this is the quality that makes it easy for us to tune into the unseen realms. So for some people, it’s angels’ apparitions, the Akashic records, experience with paranormal, happening. all of these different sorts of access points.

The fourth quality is the premium that we place on peace and harmony. And that’s in relationships. That’s in our environment, in our own energy field. And the fifth quality is our big open hearts and a desire to serve others. So this to make us very inclined towards careers that focus on serving others, but it also makes us inclined to over-giving and putting ourselves last. The unfortunate corollary that goes with this is most of us as empaths live from the unhealthy aspects of these qualities for the first part of our life, until we recognize we’re an empath and then develop the skills and tools we need to be able to thrive instead of hiding in the corner and curling up and sucking our thumb.

Johnny Burke: Like boundaries. The spirit guides that you mentioned, how, integral were they in writing the book? Did they push the boat off the dock or, were they with you the whole time?

Stephanie Red Feather: They were with me the whole time. Part of my journey of shamanism and personal growth and connection to my version of spirit or creator has been Walking co-creatively, side by side, arm and arm. And so, sometimes they will give me very clear direction or very clear signals or signs or validations. But every time I sat down to work on this book, I would ceremonially set the space. I would go to my altar. I would light a candle. I would call in my guides and just offer myself up as the conduit for this information to flow and for them to direct me as to how to put it together. I created an outline when I started the book, but it certainly did not end up the way it started because all this inspiration came in.

Johnny Burke: Is it possible to be an empath and not have access to spirits, the Akashic records and being able to get into a trance state?

Stephanie Red Feather: Well, here’s what I would say about those five qualities. It’s a spectrum. You don’t have to say yes to all five of those qualities and they don’t necessarily have to be high on the dial. So for some people, their quality number three, that ability to access and tune into these other realms for them, that might be a two out of a 10, whereas their ability to merge and blend with other people might be a nine out of a 10. I know we love our cosmopolitan surveys, but I really didn’t want it to be like, “take this quiz. And if your answers add up to one through 10, you’re a mild empath and 11 through 20 or a moderate empath.” you know.

Johnny Burke: Interesting. The empathic big bang and what you mentioned earlier, which I believe is a cycle of Ascension; it peaks and then it goes down., is there a reason the empathic big bang is happening now that’s related to that cycle??

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah. my belief, my experience, just from working so many years with energy is that empaths have only been around for maybe a hundred years.

Johnny Burke: That’s it?

Stephanie Red Feather: In very small quantities prior to that, you can look at the great healers and teachers certainly, for the most part, the collective frequency that humanity was vibrating at, was not high enough to sustain this sort of refined, energetic physiology that we have. As humanity is ascending in consciousness and ascending in individual frequency which influences the collective frequency. We’re now at a level where empaths can start to sustain and thrive. But one of the things that I propose in my book that I haven’t really heard many others, or any others talk about, is the fact that I believe empaths are here to help humanity ascend to the next level of consciousness.

Johnny Burke: One of the questions I would have about that- I mentioned this earlier about the Egyptians. one thing that really kind of sticks out is a conversation I had, with a woman who is with a group of her metaphysical friends in Egypt. And they start talking about a cave where I believe there’s a hieroglyph, which basically shows two men holding up what seemed to be like sticks. And there’s this huge rock, which seems to be suspended in the air. And their conclusion was, and I’ve heard this more than once, is that the, some of the pyramids were literally built with telepathy and not with slave labor as it was described in the Bible.

So if that were true in 5 D civilization thousands and thousands of years ago, wouldn’t it make sense that empaths were in an era where the frequency was high enough to actually support them?

Stephanie Red Feather: It all makes sense to me because my belief is that some hundreds or thousands of years from now empath won’t even be a word, it’ll just be synonymous with human. That this is where we’re all headed as we ascend consciousness. And as we ascend in frequency, We’re all going to have these abilities; the highly sensitive nervous system, the ability to feel other people’s emotions and energies acutely to tune into the other realms, to be in a harmonious relationship with our environment. My belief is that’s where we’re all headed.

Speaking to the question about the empathic big bang, basically, those of us who have all incarnated in the last hundred years or so are collectively the empathic big bang, which. bless every soul that chose incarnate as an empath right now, because as the movie Moneyball says, the first guy through the wall always gets bloodied. As the empathic big bang, we are all the first ones through the wall getting bloodied. We didn’t have, and don’t have the mentors and teachers and family and extended family and societies for the most part that understand us. And know how to guide us, know how to give us the tools to manage our sensitivities. So we had to bump around and figure it out and have all kinds of codependent relationships and get overwhelmed and sort of figure it out for ourselves so that we could pave the way for the ones coming behind us.

Johnny Burke: So you think that a lot of the people that are incarnated now are here to help, which would sound pretty consistent with what I’ve heard recently about Atlantis that, previous guests. And she was basically telling me that everyone that is here on this planet right now, now that is here to help came from Atlantis.

Does that make sense or is that a little bit too far-fetched?

Stephanie Red Feather: What I would say is I would absolutely agree that there are people from Atlantis that are incarnating now. And I would say it seems exclusive to say that. Well, all of us who are here now from Atlantis, you know, it’s possible that some of us didn’t incarnate in Atlantis, we were Lemurian, or we came directly from some other incarnations on a different star system or, whatever.

Johnny Burke: Do you have any memories from ancient civilizations?

Stephanie Red Feather: When I traveled to those lifetimes, that specific data doesn’t always accompany, so it’s not like, oh, it was the year, 6,024 BC or,

Johnny Burke: It be nice it was right on your screen.

Stephanie Red Feather: right. I have general impressions; I do have one lifetime that came with a very specific date. In, the Puritan colonies, in the early 17 hundreds. Other than that, I get more of a feeling, I connect more with energies as opposed to those specific pieces of data.

Johnny Burke: Other than what we already discussed, is there any other evidence that we are actually in an Ascension phase?

Stephanie Red Feather: Yeah. I have a whole chapter devoted this into my book where I talk the great year and the implications there. And it is certainly easy to look at the world and say, oh, we, we got to be down in the dregs. We must have hit bottom, but we are actually on the upswing. if you’ve heard of, the Iron Age, Bronze Age, Silver Age, Golden Age, I’m talking about ages of enlightenment or delightment I suppose.

Johnny Burke: I like that.

Stephanie Red Feather: Wisdom keepers around the world that have tried to hold onto and maintain these ancient wisdoms, this ancient knowledge. But what happens often as we devolve move into ignorance on the downswing is we start to doubt the wisdom keepers. We get fractured into accusations and more bids for power and of the things that we used to hold dear, we start to doubt, and then we accuse them of being heretical. All of these things start to devolve. And so oftentimes the ancient wisdom, the scriptures, the texts, the temples are burned and destroyed. And so there are remnants have been held in trust by a lineage of these wisdom keepers. And so it is challenging to figure out exactly precisely where we are in the cycle of Ascension, because a lot of those references have been destroyed or sometimes, they’re very esoteric and difficult to interpret, according to ancient Vedic texts, you know in the Indian culture, we are out of the Iron Age and actually into the Bronze Age.

So, people who are tuned into these sorts of things, it would make sense that we are ascending in consciousness. We’re accessing new information. Just looking at things like junk DNA and realizing there’s a lot more going on in our DNA code than we think, you know, all of these things to me point that we are ascending. So I want to offer an analogy for those who look at our world right now and go, how can we be ascending? We’re deep in the throes. If you look at temperature, Let’s say moving from winter into spring in the Northern hemisphere. So getting warmer every day is not warmer than the day before. I live in the Midwest and so we might have 40 degrees one day, and then the next day it’s 65 and then it’s 29 and then it’s 38 and then it’s 52.

If you chart it, it’s going to go up and down and up and down and up and down. But if you chart the trend from winter into spring, the temperature is getting warmer. And so if you extend that analogy into a longer field of time, we are ascending in consciousness. If you look at human evolution, maybe that’s a year, or 10 years or 20 years, where we’re down in that cold day, but again, the trend is moving upwards. One of the reasons I provide this context in my book, biggest picture context helps us locate ourselves inside what’s happening so that we have reference points, and we can see the bigger picture of what else is happening and how we fit into it.

And so believe it or not, what I just shared with you gives me a lot of hope on those days where, it’s hard to look at the world and see hope.

Johnny Burke: If I use the stock market analogy, it would seem that we are bouncing off the bottom and starting to trend up a little bit, so that does seem reasonable. Really, really cool stuff, Stephanie. Thanks for joining us. How can our listeners find you online?

Stephanie Red Feather: You can find me at www.bluestartemple.org. And I just want to let you know that I have a brand-new Oracle deck called empath activation cards. That’s coming out November 9th, 2020.

#51 Kate Neligan: Spiritual Psychology and Healing With Horses

January 8, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Empaths

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Kate Nelligan. She is an equine partnered life and business coach healer author and holds a master’s degree in spiritual psychology. Kate pairs her intuitive gifts with those horses to help people awaken and transform through leadership, and emotional intelligence workshops and retreats. Kate, welcome to the program.

Kate Neligan: Thanks so much for having me. I’m happy to be here.

Johnny Burke: You have a very interesting path; would you consider yourself an intuitive and empath or do you kind of stray away from any kind of label?

Kate Neligan: I do consider myself both of those things. I do find labels interesting because we are all intuitive and we can all be empathic, but I definitely had my gifts on at early age, shut them down for a while. And then. Have been exploring them. The New York post called me a psychic a couple of years ago and I freaked out because that’s not a label I love having, but, yeah, I definitely consider myself very much an intuitive empathic healer and coach. And I also believe that we all have those. Yes.

Johnny Burke: Really? It’s funny, I spoke to someone over the weekend, and she had had some experiences where she dreamt of people that have passed on. And she went to go see a psychic, speaking of which, and the psychic actually told her she was a medium and it kind of freaked her out. And I noticed when someone says you’re a psychic, you’re this or you’re that, they’re not usually pumping their fists in the air- it kind of takes them back a little bit.

Kate Neligan: I think it’s from all the past lives, where we were killed for our spiritual gifts, our abilities. There’s like a witch wound, honestly. And so I think there’s a little bit of that and also, I have mediumship abilities too. I saw ghosts a lot when I was a kid, and I can definitely connect very easily with my client’s loved ones who have passed over, and I’ve crossed over quite a few beings as well and can feel them. I don’t see, which is probably a good thing, because I would be freaked out all the time. So I’m not clairvoyant, but I’m very claire audient, clairsentient and have a lot of direct knowing.

Johnny Burke: So the reason why I guess you found yourself on this path is that you discovered these abilities, early on when you’re a kid.

Kate Neligan: Yes. And I shoved them down because I was freaked out about a lot of them, but I was lucky because my mother has always been a board member at the Metaphysical Center of New Jersey. And so she was very much in the world of woo. So it was around me a lot, like as a teen, there were a group of women doing ohms, you know, and, and meditations in my house I was an atheist actually for a very long time because I was more on the science side. But I started to really open up and embrace a lot of the spiritual gifts in my mid-twenties. But it’s definitely been a journey of coming to accept and embrace them.

Johnny Burke: It seems, because of your family, you had a lot of exposure to the metaphysical world, you mentioned past lives, and so you kind of get the whole reincarnation trip and everything that comes along with that.

Kate Neligan: I do, one of my favorite memories when I was a teen, I think it was even in middle school, I went to a reincarnation conference that the metaphysical center had put on and I had my first tarot reading and there were hundreds of, you know, intuitive, psychics, readers, all of that, healers.

I remember my first Reiki experience was with the metaphysical center as well. And Raymond Moody was there. And that’s when I read his book and I was so into the past life regression stuff. And what I found for myself, in particular, is that I remember a lot of my past lives in this lifetime. And I think it’s really because I have this intention to work through them and clear them and heal them. And so I will have memories of stuff that’s happened to me in a past life. I’ve also had past life regressions with professionals, but I find it fascinating because it can really, illuminate what we might be having issues with now, like, why am I traumatized around this area even though I didn’t have anything happen to me in this life around it right?

Johnny Burke: So you discovered these sensibilities early on, you had a lot of exposure to it. And your major was spiritual psychology.

Kate Neligan: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: All right. I think it’s very cool, but it’s not a very common thing, isn’t it?

Kate Neligan: No. And so people sometimes are like, it sounds like, I don’t understand what it is. And it really is a specific program the university of Santa Monica has had for 30 plus years. There’s only about 300, 400 folks that go through it every year. It’s a two-year program and it’s a deep dive, or it was, it’s now changed to be more of an online format because the world has changed so much.

Ultimately, it’s a deep dive in the study and evolution of consciousness. The first year is really, 26 communication skills, eight different counseling strategies. You learn Gestalt you learn, bits about NLP and psychosynthesis, rational emotive therapy. So you’re really diving into the understanding of consciousness, and it serves to answer three questions, which is, who am I? Why am I here? And how can I make a meaningful contribution to the planet? So you’re really going through quite a bit of deep learning and healing. And, prior to that, I had started my wake up into spirituality, but I still had a lot of eye-rolls the first year. And a lot of “I don’t need healing, I’m okay.” it took me a little while to drink the Kool-Aid, you know?

Johnny Burke: the first thing I thought of was, and this came from a doctor that I interviewed a while back, he called his brand of regression, spiritual regression, speaking of past life regression.

Kate Neligan: My undergrad was psychology. So spiritual psychology is really the spiritual principle layered to psychology, which is that we are divine beings having a human experience. That’s really the premise. And then it’s how do you work within the mind and the body and the spirit for healing and for, living life. I do believe that a lot of people had awareness of some past lives that come up during the two-year program for sure.

Johnny Burke: That’s what I’m getting at. There’s almost a hint of shamanism in that as well, isn’t there?

Kate Neligan: At times it felt like that. Yes. And I was not really interested in a lot of these things until I was in this community, then I started going to a church called Agape with Michael Beckwith and I started to really explore a lot more. But yeah, shamanism is what I would find like deep clearing that happened at a very cellular level, and this program through, just kind of diving deep into the psyche. And I feel like shamanism is similar in some sense.

Johnny Burke: Life questions, you know, the existential things; why am I here? How did I get here? What is the meaning? what can spiritual psychology teach us, or can it possibly answer those questions?

Kate Neligan: It really does. I feel like in the two years we had we were set up on such a deep level because what a lot of like the curriculum is, is getting to know your intuition, right? It’s getting to know your higher self. That’s what I started to call my conscious rockstar, which is where my coaching business came from. But ultimately, it’s starting to know the higher self; developing a relationship, what they would call the authentic self. and with that, we are starting to understand who we are, not just as egos, right? Not just as minds, not just as bodies, but really as spirits. the professors have a book called Loyalty To Your Soul. And so that’s a what it’s about what is your soul here for? What is your soul’s purpose, not what job do you have? What do you do in the world, but what are you here to experience? And their whole philosophy is it’s really about love, it’s really about, I’m going to show love and being in the authentic self.

Johnny Burke: When we talk about why we are here, what are we here for, what’s the purpose, I can’t help but think of past life regressions where we discover past lives, which is linked to probably why you’re here today and what you’re here to accomplish.

Kate Neligan: Yes. And so for me, I feel like, There’s the soul, which is here really to learn and grow and evolve. And ascend in its own school like the program teaches that life is a school. So everything’s learning, everything can be our own spiritual curriculum. They talk about it as a soul line and a goal line. So the soul line is Ascension, and the goal line is how do we bring our soul, our mind, our body into the goal line, which is physical world reality, 3 D reality of what is my career? What is my calling? So there’s a lot of people that may start as a lawyer and they come out and they’re a coach, or they go into some healing profession. And that’s what happened to me. I started as a vice-president of marketing inside of a movie studio and I left and I’m a life coach and healer. So a lot shifted in a short amount of time.

Johnny Burke: You have your own media company now it’s called Synergy TV.

Kate Neligan: Yes. I started that during my master’s program, because second year they have you do a dream project, which is something you’ve always wanted to do. So some women started to dance for the first time in their life. They took dance classes, belly dancing or pole dancing or whatever it was. For me, I was still so business-oriented and very ego-driven at the time. And I was like, I’m going to do a media company because I was working on horror films. And I’m like, we need conscious films. We need films that will uplift the world and show a mirror of a better humanity.

Johnny Burke: what is an equine partner life coach? Tell us about that.

Kate Neligan: Yeah. So when I first started coaching in 2009, I was mostly doing women’s empowerment workshops and it was just me coaching. And then I started to get back into writing after taking about 10 years off and I loved horses growing up and I competed in college. And I had no idea that they’re energy workers and that they’re healers or teachers or coaches. I had no clue. They were fun. They were my best friends. They were really loving, but I had no idea that they had what I would call higher vibrations or advanced spiritual abilities. And they ride between worlds. They’re meditating a lot of their life. And there’s a lot in the mirror and metaphor for people that they can learn from in a coaching environment.

And it’s based on the premise, how you do one thing is how you might do anything. So how do you go say hello to a horse, if you get rejected, what mental stories does that bring up? Do you feel rejected elsewhere in your life? And so we dive really in fast because you’re in a kinesthetic learning experience and experiential learning experience rather than just a couch talk therapy session. So it’s deep and it’s, pretty powerful. And my work has evolved from doing more experiences with them on the ground. We’re not riding like walking them around and that kind of thing to actually just receiving from them and being able to have energy shifts because of, being able to receive their energy and who they are in the world.

Johnny Burke: What would a typical session look like; can you give us an idea of what that would entail?

Kate Neligan: Yeah, it’s always based on someone’s intention. So for instance, that they want to learn leadership, most people don’t have experience with horses. They’re learning how to actually halter a horse for the first time, walk a horse around. If you can lead a 1200-pound prey animal, they’re able to, exhibit trust and build a relationship. And so that’s something that can help people understand leadership styles. Or if we’re doing what I would call more spiritual and energy work. It might look like sitting in a chair and laying on a massage table or just sitting and meditating and breathing with a horse. And essentially the whole sympathetic nervous system is getting activated and people experience deep healings and also deep awareness. Like their intuition is just activated in the presence of a horse. So they’re, 60 minutes, 90 minutes, workshops are a couple of hours.

Johnny Burke: So how does spiritual psychology and equity coaching work together?

Kate Neligan: They dovetail really well because in the spiritual psychology program, I use a lot of those counseling strategies with my clients As I’m the interpreter or the horse listener. Also the communication skills- reflecting feelings or heart-centered listening, seeing the loving essence. These are all the names of different skills that USM has created, and the horses are naturally seeing the loving essence and heart-centered listening because they are non-verbal. But ultimately, people will actually practice developing these skills in real-time with the animals. And so it’s really diving into our own psyche, our own consciousness, through the presence of unconditional love that the horses are holding and a coach that’s trained in these skills. So it’s just a really nice blend that is kind of unique actually in the equine world.

Johnny Burke: Is it kind of like meditating with a horse? Because I’m trying to picture what this looks like

Kate Neligan: Yeah, so sometimes it’s meditating with a horse. Sometimes it’s actually breathing and becoming different energies, becoming the energy of joy, becoming the energy of compassion, practicing these emotional intelligence skills and then asking a horse to join up with you from the side and walk around with you without any tack. So it’s really just based on a partnership that is created through the energy of who you’re being and how the horse responds to that. Because horses are always reading us. They’re essentially like biofeedback machines.

Johnny Burke: Interesting how you mentioned biofeedback. That first thing I thought of was, telepathy, right? Which apparently to those people, since you mentioned Ascension, there are those people that talk about 3 D to 4 D to 5 D and so on. Thousands of years ago, we did live in a 5 D environment where telepathy was normal. So this kind of thing you’re talking about was as normal as going to the dentist. Whereas these days people would think: How do we do that? How does that make sense? So how do you market, or if someone were to come up to you at a party, what would your elevator pitch be?

Kate Neligan: Yeah, it’s such a great question.

And yes, telepathy is how the animals are communicating. And so they actually help us with our own telepathic abilities so we can be more intuitive as well. And so I’ll often ask people to just stand, breathe, watch the horse and see if they get a message from the horse. And often the horse will say something like be present, breathe more. They say really direct things, but people get specific messages from horses, which is really cool because we are talking to them. And so there’s that whole animal communication piece to it as well. so yes, I think all of that happens, Luckily, my background is in marketing, so I do my best, but this is still really hard because it’s such a non-verbal energetic experience. People come because they’re like,” I’ve heard this is awesome. I trust you. Kate, I want a different form of personal development. “So they just come, and they have no expectation, which is actually the best way for it to work. Rather than like, I need to be healed or some sort of grasping.

So if I was at a party, I would say something along the lines of; horses are incredible spiritual teachers because they’ve existed in this space of riding between the worlds of 3 5 and 5 D because they’re meditating so often and their way of being in the world as a prey animal, even though they trust predators really helps people to understand trust and to understand connection and partnership. Because a predator and prey connecting is a deep experience. That’s very unique in this world we live in. So there’s a lot that we can learn from horses by who they are and how they role model things to the world, especially around emotional intelligence.

Johnny Burke: Great explanation and I like how you mentioned riding between the worlds, it almost makes me wish there was a website called empath daily people would get it right away because just about everyone I talked to these days talks about Ascension, We talk about 5 D, and I always ask, well, why are you skipping over 4 I know any better. They try to explain it and some of it makes sense and some it doesn’t. But since the animal, in this case, a horse, meditates a lot, they’re probably a lot closer to that dimension than we are.

It seems like it’s kind of a no-brainer that this type of practice can help us evolve to eventually where those of us who get it can say, “okay, I want to get to 5 D, I want to ascend, I want to get to higher ground. How do I get there?” This is a good vehicle for that, is it not?

Kate Neligan: Personally, I think it’s the best vehicle besides things that I love like breathwork, but ultimately, which the horses will do breathwork with us to align their nose right next to you, and actually help you to change your breathing. But ultimately, we have to be present when we’re with a horse. They’re so big and they can be dangerous obviously. And so we have to be in our feet, we have to be centered. We can’t live up here, and people naturally come into their hearts around horses because their hearts are five times the size of ours. And so there’s a larger electromagnetic field scientifically that’s happening. And so we’ve talked about heart math and heart coherence.

So people are dropping from their heads into their hearts, right? Which is a great portal into 5 D. They’re in their bodies more because they have to be present, which is also a great portal into 5 D. And ultimately to me, I have had more bliss experiences sitting with horses than anywhere else in my life, even in the beaches of Hawaii. I just experienced quite a bit of bliss being with them when I’m able to really surrender out of my thinking brain and be in the energy of who they are and what they carry.

So, I want that for people. I want people to have that bliss. I also work with goats, and they do similar stuff because they’re so funny and they’re so sweet and little, they make people laugh and smile. non-stop, which is another great portal into 5 D, a lot of laughter and smiling, which is what they do. They just do it differently. I think animals are a huge opportunity for us to partner with you to experience 5 D. I really do believe that that’s why I created a program called awakening with equines. Cause I want people to awaken. We don’t have to live in the suffering that much anymore.

Johnny Burke: Really great explanation about how to get the 5 D. Do you think most people want to get there?

Kate Neligan: That’s a good question.

Johnny Burke: Do they or not? Maybe I missed it, but maybe some people, roll their eyeballs and, and I’m thinking, doesn’t everybody want to get to higher ground? Maybe they don’t- I don’t know.

Kate Neligan: You know, it’s such a good question. I have a lot of metaphysical and spiritual friends. However, not everyone’s talking about 5 D yet. And not everyone understands it and people are like, what about 4 D? for me, it’s one of those things where I think we need to be talking about it a little bit more. Honestly. I think it’s another word as a new earth. Or it’s returning to what we used to know. It’s what some of the other planets are living in.

But ultimately, I think a lot of people feel very much like they’re not enough. They feel disconnected. And they’re tired of this old way. There’s a lot of focus on the problem and there’s not as much focus on what’s the benefit of being in 5 D? And what’s it going to take to be there? I love Gay Hendricks– he talks a lot about upper limits. And a lot of us have some upper limits. Like our thermostat is set to 75 and if we push to 80, which is bliss like we can short circuit. And so we have to build the bodies to be able to handle 5 D same with Kundalini. that’s why I spend every day in nature, and I have to build the body to handle it because my default programming is so negative, right? Like the rest of ours..

Johnny Burke: Because you grew up in New Jersey.

Kate Neligan: Yeah, it’s a little bit because of New Jersey, yeah. Let’s blame New Jersey.

Johnny Burke: I like how you mentioned default programming, but I can’t help, but think that to try to show them some of the trappings of five D. I talked to someone not that long ago, mostly about5 D. And she told me that she was on a trip, in Egypt with her metaphysical friends. They actually saw a hieroglyph in one of the caves near one of the great pyramids, where you see these men, holding what looked like rods. And there’s this giant rock, and these little dashes, meaning, it’s not attached to anything. And what she explained to me was back then, thousands of years ago, before the pharaohs, that they had abilities where the pyramids we’re basically built with telepathy.

It’s not like it was described in the Bible where they slave labor. And it was explained to her that the planning took about two months, but the actual building of the pyramid took like a couple of days. Now, this is a prime example of what a 5 D civilization was like. Okay. do you believe it was like that back then?

Kate Neligan: For sure. Yeah, for sure. I also got lucky cause my mom taught Egypt in history to sixth-graders for a long time. So I had Egyptian stuff all over my house for a long time growing up and in Jersey. But yes, I do believe that’s how it was. And I think even just you sharing that makes me realize again, and this is a message I’m getting daily right now, and a lot of my friends are as well. Which is, we don’t have to work the same way we always did. It doesn’t have to be so hard; we don’t want that to get from a to Z going through every single letter in the alphabet, we can go from a to Z through intention and through, time warp energy and through faster, manifestation. But ultimately the message I get all the time in meditation right now is to stop being so focused on 3 D. Which is kind of hard for me. I’m a double Capricorn. I’m like earth on earth. earth.

Johnny Burke: double? oh my..

Kate Neligan: Oh, yeah. So it’s like all about goals so I have to really remember,” oh yeah, I have spiritual being, having a human experience and how do I use my spiritual gifts to enhance my human experience?” Rather than how do I just try to change and control my human experience. So you sharing that about the pyramids reminds me strongly to go back into,” how can this get easier?” how can this be faster? How can we essentially manifest without, having to go do 10 million things to things to get the end result right?

Johnny Burke: Have you, had the chance, or the good fortune to go into the Akash and discover things?

Kate Neligan: You know, I love it so much. I’ve been told by two or three of my mentors that I have the ability to, read the Akashic records. I find that when I remember past lives, I most likely am in the records and that’s what’s coming forward, but it’s not something I do consciously or intentionally. And I always actually do a monthly, reading with someone in New Jersey, who does the Akashic who’s excellent.

And all goes back to New Jersey. but ultimately, yeah, I think it’s really powerful. It makes sense to me that we would be connected to a muse and be able to also channel music or channel different things. I know when I’m fully surrendered, I can sing at a different level than I’ve ever been able to sing when I’m in a surrendered state and Music can come through my voice, which is voice, which is fascinating because I don’t think of ..you know.

Johnny Burke: I wasn’t, that far off the mark then.

Kate Neligan: Not at all.

Johnny Burke: The 5 D thing is really fascinating because I think if people could have a glimpse of what was possible- how they built the pyramids, it’s not the first time I’ve heard that. And it’s not the first example of what can be accomplished, And I’m not really sure what caused the descent or not, but when we circle back to your practice and what you do with animals, it seems like, horses and goats and maybe several others could be portal for us to rediscover what we had thousands of years ago. That’s what it sounds like, what you’re trying to do. When you mentioned horses and animals, for that matter as spiritual teachers, What’s the difference between a spiritual teacher and a spirit guide?

Kate Neligan: Ah, good question. Well, I think a spirit guide is often in spirit. For instance, I have now 14 horses that I’ve worked with or know or love on the other side. So I call them the heaven herd and I feel like they are spirit guides and often they are with me. New opportunities will come up when I pray to them, or I feel them in my sessions and they’re kind of guiding what’s happening. we obviously have free will, so we have to really be willing to partner with them intentionally. And that’s what I do.

But the spiritual teacher. You know, it’s often the present physical being. And I think of Yogananda when he was alive. or even some of the other masters when they were alive. And a lot of who they are is they care more that you’re getting the Ascension, that you’re getting the lessons than whether you like them. There’s not a lot of ego. They are there to serve, they have, an understanding of things that we have yet to fully understand, or we have to remember more likely we have to remember these things, but they remember them. And so they’re Wayshowers . And so they are kind of holding space for us and reminding us of who we are so that we ourselves can wake up, that we ourselves can remember and live from that space. So they’re more of a physical world teacher in this time for us to actually go and be with. My old mare who passed, I used to call her Yogananda because she was fiercely loving. And if you got it, she was there with you. And if you didn’t, she was out of there. it was like, how Yogananda -you get initiated.

So I always say my clients are brave because sometimes they come, people will look into the eyes of a horse and they’ll just start sobbing. So there’s these deep, emotional cleansings that are happening. And sometimes it happens when someone’s opening the car door at the ranch and they’re already in the energy of it. So it’s really kind of beautiful and I never know what to expect. And I always, you know, have a lot of awe around it and a lot of wonder, because you just couldn’t make it up. It’s one of those things, sometimes you do really have to see it to understand it and to believe it because it’s really just, very serendipitous in many ways.

Johnny Burke: When we talk about going back to 3 D, to 5 D and the bond between humans and animals, for the people that get it, what is the transformation that they’re looking for or do they not really know what they’re looking for when they come to you?

Kate Neligan: It’s a little bit of a mix. I think the biggest thing that people do come for is some sort of relationship pain. I have a lot of people who’ve gone through a divorce, they’re going through some form of loss or grief, they’re having even frustrations in their own relationship with themselves. A lot of anxiety, stress, negative thinking. So they’re really looking for relief from their pain, their suffering, their own mental anguish. And I’ve worked with donkeys too, donkeys carry burdens, and that’s a lot of what happens. These burdens get lifted very quickly.

The other is career things. So people are wanting to develop better communication skills, better leadership, work with companies as well, and do team building and leadership training. And so they’re wanting specific training that the courses can help teach. So the lead mare in the wild makes the best decisions, is completely trusted by the horse herd. And so they all follow her. And so even in that dynamic as a role model, we have a lot to learn from their herd environment and how they take care of each other and how they work together. And they have a hierarchy, but there’s nothing better than, or less than in that hierarchy, they’re equals, but they have different roles to play.

So society has a lot to learn from them in my head. but people will come sometimes because they’re frustrated with their career. They want a promotion, or they want a different job and they need to be willing to take the leap. And I work a lot more with women, but a lot of them come for confidence and for calm and for connection and for clarity, Those are the big pieces that a lot of coaches coach on, but I find that we get there faster with the horses present.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that the fact that you work with women more is not necessarily by design but it’s more like, their intuition allows them to clue into the opportunity more so than men?

Kate Neligan: Yeah. I think that’s really insightful. Yeah. I think it is sometimes an intuitive thing. I think a lot of women are kind of seekers, and it’s different for us to go get help. Whereas there’s the whole men won’t even ask for directions type thing. It’s a different experience. It can be very humbling for men who come. And I have done men’s groups., I have worked with corporate executives and CEOs that are men and, it’s really powerful for them. They love it too. And it softens them because what the horses do is blend strength and softness. There’s really no feminine or masculine with the horses. It’s just this like the energy of softness and gentleness and this energy of like strength and power.

Women often need more strength and power and to be comfortable with it. So sometimes they’re too soft and we work on growing their strength. And then sometimes the men, they may come in with a lot of strength and power, but they may need some softness and cultivating some gentleness. And so it’s really just about blending the energies.

Johnny Burke: Because what I was going to say is whenever these types of topics come up, it’s usually about Ascension and trying to elevate, trying to raise our game spiritually, mentally, and so on.

I’ve heard a lot of people talk about moving away from the masculine energy, to the feminine. Do you think moving away from the masculine to the feminine is something that’s happening simultaneously or is it very much connected with what’s going on?

Kate Neligan: Yeah. So I would say that. we’ve swung very far to the patriarchal energies. We need to swing somewhat into the feminine energies for us to balance out. But ultimately, I think we’re going to come into that middle point of the integration of masculine and feminine. So we can’t have it be too feminine. It’s not going to work. It can’t be too masculine anymore. We know that doesn’t work. We’ve proved. it’s really this integration and the balance point between both that is there.

And my experience in the bliss energy is there’s no, there’s no masculine or feminine to it. It’s just energy. And it’s just this incredible feel, good energy, and heightened abilities that doesn’t really have a gender attached to it. In metaphysical principles, supposedly in the future, we’re going into more androgynous beings. That’s hard for me to wrap my head around sometimes. but it may be not if other planets are already like that, right?

Johnny Burke: The other planets, that’s probably a discussion for another day, but right. And when you’re talking about people, who interviewed a being from thousands of years into the future, they don’t look anything like us. So it’s hard for me to get my head around that too. But I think ultimately there’s a lot of things that a lot of us don’t know about these types of beings. In order to accept this and actually be open to it, what are some simple things people need to open themself up to or learn about?

Kate Neligan: I love that question so much. I’ve never been asked that. I will say mindfulness, which is becoming popular, like yoga is now popular. Yoga is about union and strength, so are the horses, Mindfulness, which is about calm and stress reduction, which we all need can be applied to the horses.

The simplicity of just, we need to grow our emotional intelligence skills. So we communicate better, especially now that we’re in such a hyper-connected digital world that we need to still have these deep, emotional intelligence skills. and I’ll get kids sometimes that are overwhelmed I think people need to also understand that education now can happen in different places and environments like outside in nature, we saw homeschooling over the last year for the first time on a wide scale, people realize there’s different ways to educate now. There are different ways to learn. We all had to return to nature because. Kind of forced to be in a place where that felt safer. So there’s a lot, I think of just being open to some of these simple beliefs. It’s not new age or metaphysical, it’s just, can your body relax more? Do you want that? can we look at the science of heart math and parasympathetic and vagal nerve and when can we understand, what’s actually, happening to us when we slow down when we’re in nature and when we’re around animals.

HABRI , which is a research Institute for the human-animal bond shows the emotional, mental, physical wellness that happens that they’ve done studies on when we’re around animals. When we touch animals. it’s really pretty basic understanding that horses are energy workers is maybe a bit more of an advanced concept that I yet to have a ton of research to prove. I just have experiential evidence, some of this other stuff it’s basic psychology we’re looking at.

Johnny Burke: I like the term heart math. Does that have anything to do with emotional intelligence? And with your emotional intelligence workshops, how are they different from, a leadership workshop?

Kate Neligan: Yeah. Great question. So I will bring emotional intelligence into leadership often because I feel like our ability to lead it’s not a technique. It’s really our way of being. And so it is emotional intelligence. How are you cultivating, how are you cultivating compassion? how are you as a listener? how are you as a communicator? It’s all part of leadership. so I will be emotional intelligence. And since I worked in corporate, I know how to meet people in that language, but when I’m working on an emotional, intelligence, with spiritual women we’re talking a lot about intuition.

So it’s really about, can you grow the claires; clairsentience, clairaudience, all of that. And which one are you strongest in? And, and how do you take this emotional intelligence back to the world as a mom, as a partner, as a worker? So it’s really about this holistic approach to their lives. And it’s not just about leadership, so they’re a little different and a little nuanced. But can be very similar in many ways. We’ve done heart math workshops and heart math is really about certain breathing techniques and different heart center techniques that the horse has naturally helped us with.

And it’s all about coherence. So it’s all about coming into heart resonance and living more from the heart space because the heart is a brain where our mind and our head has a brain. And then the horses will often talk a lot about the gut-brain because they have huge intestines aimed right at the ground and they live from that gut sense of what feels good. And so we can also cultivate gut awareness and awareness as well.

Johnny Burke: I think emotional intelligence in general, seems to me missing in a lot of people. And when you talk about cultivating love and cultivating compassion. I know that’s going to generate a lot of eye rolls with some people, but other people will get it pretty much right away. It’s great stuff, any words of wisdom the horses might pass on to our listeners?

Kate Neligan: Oh, it was so good. So good. Let me see. So what I’m getting from them is they’re seeing, there’s always an opportunity for us to become more present as we live in the moment, we cultivate our true nature and that actually and that actually leads to a lot more happiness.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Kate, thanks so much for joining us. how can our listeners find you online?

Kate Neligan: Sure. So my current website is consciousrockstar.com. It’s eventually going to go to Kate neligan.com. I’m also on Instagram and Facebook.com/kateneliganequinecoach .

#48 Greg Thompson: Living With My Spirit Guides

December 18, 2021 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Greg Thompson. he is the Portland chapter leader of IANDS, a multiple near-death experience survivor and author of Living With My Spirit Guides, which is what we’ll be talking about today. Greg, welcome to the program.

Greg Thompson: Thank you, John. Glad to be here.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about the book, Living With My Spirit Guides. What prompted you to write the book?

Greg Thompson: Actually it all came out because of 9/11. And I’d seen that for like 40 years in advance, I saw it in March of 1971 and kind of lived with it off and on. When it finally happened, it bothered me greatly because I was not able to stop it. I basically kind of went into deep depression.

A friend of mine told me to go see some people he knew, and I talked to them for about two and a half hours about my life with my spirit guides and such. And when I got done, they walked up and he said, “well, you’ve got this all written down, don’t you?” And I said, no, not really. And they said,” well, you need to write it down.” So I wrote it down, went back to see them three months later and they said, “well, how much did you write?” And I said, well, about 19 pages. They said,” no, no, you need to write it as a book.” And then my spirit guide started getting involved in it too. They started kind of implying that you should be doing something you’re not doing. And finally, after 19years, I got it written.

Johnny Burke: You say you saw 911, what’d you say,40 years before it happened? the planes crashing into the towers?

Greg Thompson: Of course there were no towers, back then.

Johnny Burke: Right.

Greg Thompson: But I saw a plane, coming into, New York City. As I said as if I was standing in a high-rise deck on a condo or something like that. And I had a new camera, and I was looking just testing it out, and then I saw this plane coming in from a low angle coming in through the city and it was disappearing between buildings. And it never came out the other end of the town. When it got down to the south end of New York City, I didn’t see it anymore. And I got the feeling that it hit the building.

I was in New York City in September of 1991, I was there with some friends, and we walked past the World Trade Center on the South Tower, and we waited to take a look at it. We were going to go up to the top to look at the observation tower, and it was closed. So my friends were debating what they wanted to do. And I walked back out into the lobby, which was a beautiful marble lobby. I think about two stories tall with palm trees in it. And I thought, what’s it look like to look up a 110 story building from right from the base. And I looked up at it and all of a sudden, I saw flames shoot out at the top of the building, and metal and glass coming, crashing down around, outside. I debated, do I go inside or go outside? I decided I better go outside. And as soon as I got outside, of course, there was nothing wrong. It was all perfectly normal. It really bothered me. I told my friends about it. They kind of laughed at me and looked at me. We were walking past the South Tower on the street, and I put my hands against the wall. I’ve never done this before, or since and I said, “is this really going to happen?” And I got no response. And so then I asked again, “how many years before it happens?” And I was told 10 years,

Johnny Burke: 1991, so does that make you, a seer or a psychic or, has anyone explained that to you? whether it was your spirit guides or anyone else?

Greg Thompson: That was more of a second impression. My spirit guides got involved, later. When I was having visions about it from 1997 through 1999, I had visions of it every night. I was told at that time, by my spirit guides, that I would be in China when it happened. Something bad would happen in the world. While I was there and I got a vision of the World Trade Center, so that kind of kept me going. In 2001, the message had started up again, that I’ll be going to China. Something bad will happen while I’m there. And it also said, I will climb to the top of a temple and while there, I will either meet somebody to help them or somebody there will help me. That was all I got. When we went to China, it was every night, and I had these dreams and thoughts about what’s going to happen.

By September 8th, I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew the planes were going to hit it. I knew it was going to happen or the 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th in the morning between eight and nine o’clock in the morning, and the towers would come down. I knew some people from Logan Airport would be involved. When I was going through Logan one time, I saw two shadows walking through security. I knew at that moment that those shadows were the terrorists, from Al-Qaeda.

Johnny Burke: How many people did you tell about this? Where there messages, visions or both?

Greg Thompson: Both. I didn’t tell very many people. I mean, what do you tell them?

Johnny Burke: That would be extremely awkward. We’re going to talk about your near-death experiences because you had more than one. Did all this happen before those experiences or was it afterward?

Greg Thompson: One in 1968 and the other one was, 2013.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So you did have one before that. The reason I asked is, I’ve had several people tell me when experiencers have a near-death experience, their psychic and mediumistic, abilities are increased. It’s actually fairly common. So, you got involved with IANDS? Talk a little bit about that.

Johnny Burke: And for our listeners, tell them a little bit about what IANDS, what it stands for.

Greg Thompson: IANDS, stands for International Association for Near-Death Studies. They’ve been around since the 1980s, I believe, though I never heard of them. I only heard about them from this group I met after 9/11. There’s a chapter here in Portland. It was comforting to find other people who also had near-death experiences and what people consider paranormal activities. I got involved in that a few times. The leader of the Portland IANDS wanted to move on to other things and she suggested,” Greg, why don’t you join? And why don’t you take over the leadership of it?” So I did.

Johnny Burke: And speaking of IANDS, which I think is very valuable nonprofit for the research for those experiences, a but, have you heard of, Spiritual Awakenings International?

Greg Thompson: Yes, I have.

Johnny Burke: Two of those people came from IANDs.

Greg Thompson: yeah, Dr. Yvonne Kason was the president and, Robert Bare was the vice president.

Johnny Burke: Really good people. And I like what they’re doing there. They’re expanding it to lots of different types of experiences as a lot of us think a lot of these things are connected.

You apparently had an experience where you met your guardian angel. So what came first? was it the experience with the guardian angel or the spirit guide or was it all about the same time?

Greg Thompson: Well, that’s a good question. the guardian angel came first by a few months.

Johnny Burke: What was that like?

Greg Thompson: That was rather interesting. I was four years old. And I was staying at my grandmother’s house and, it was my first time being able to be in my own bed at her house. She had always had me sleep in the same room with her. Now. She said, “well, you’re getting older now you’re old enough to have your own room”. So I was lying in my bed, and I suddenly became aware that there was something else in the room. And I looked around, I didn’t initially see it, but the second time I, kind of closed my eyes and looked again and there was this little boy sitting on the end of the bed, it’s a double bed and he was on the bottom right corner, and I was lying on the left side he had his back to me, and he was, sitting with his legs crossed.

And then dawned on me well, he’s not really a boy because he was a bluish-white color and I could see through him, and I thought, is this supposed to be a ghost or something? I wasn’t scared. I was more just curious. He finished his writing and turned around and saw me and said, “Oh, hello”. I said hello. And we just stared at each other. I said, “what are you doing here? who are you? “he said,” oh, well, I’m your guardian angel. And I’m here just to check on you and see how you’re doing. Are you doing okay?” I said,” yes, I’m doing fine.” “So good, that’s when I wrote in the report.” Okay. And then it was kind of like, we’re just staring at each other. And I said, “you’re writing a report to whom?” And he goes, ” well, my superiors, they want to know how you’re doing”. And I said, “and you’re going to do it periodically?” And he said,” well, at least one, maybe two more times.” And I said,” okay.”

The conversation kind of went on and on a little bit, and I find it dawned on me; he seems to know something like I have a path to follow in this life, but he wouldn’t tell me what it was. He kept saying, “you’ve got choices, you can do anything you want, you don’t have to do anything in particular, just have a good time.” I thought, Oh, okay, fine. Then he disappeared. When my grandmother came to the room and say, “who are you talking to?” ” I said, “nobody.” She doesn’t hear him. I think he actually was talking words to me. I swear it was, but then I was a four-year-old. So maybe, who knows?

And then later that year, my father died before I was born. My mother remarried when I was two. So I had a bedroom upstairs in the house. They were on the main floor. I found myself, leaving my body at night, floating up in the air, above my body. And I’ve had a really good time about that. I thoroughly enjoyed it. In fact, I flew up high one day so that I could see the top of the dresser drawer. And I saw a toy up there that I have forgotten. I couldn’t figure out where it had gone. And I normally, if I’m standing in front of the dresser, I couldn’t see the top. So this was kind of neat.

Johnny Burke: That’s an out-of-body experience though. Isn’t it?

Greg Thompson: Yes, it is. And the two, spirit guides, I didn’t see them physically, but I could feel them or they’re right here on the right side of my body. And they were saying,” fly higher, fly higher.” And they finally got me convinced to fly higher and they actually had me fly right through the ceiling of the house and up into the air. And they said,” keep flying higher, higher, higher.” We finally got up to above the clouds, and, I’d say this is pretty cool. My father had been a bomber pilot in World War II and my mother said he would thoroughly enjoy flying above the clouds.

So here I am flying above the clouds. It was really cool “and fly higher”. So we went way out into space, and they said, “turn around and take a look.” I could see the earth. I could see the whole earth. And I see the blues and the whites and a little bit of green, a little bit of Brown, I thought, wow, that’s really neat. And I could feel the energy coming from the earth and it felt really good. It felt warm. It felt like home. then I looked around and I saw nothing but black with a lot of little stars, but basically black and cold. And that kind of upset me.” I want to go back home now”. And he said, “no, no, no, no, we’re going further. We’re going to up further.” So they took me way out into the middle of the solar system where we met three other guides. And the two that had been with me, they left and these other three other guides who said, “okay, we’re taking it for the rest of your journey. And we enter into a tunnel of colored lights. a circular tunnel and we’re going right through the middle of it. And the lights were like red, green, blue, yellow, white, and they’re streaking by. And changing colors as we go.

And they said,” just look at the end of the tunnel.” I could barely make out an end of a tunnel, but we went really fast, and we got to the other end, and we came out into a black void. And “what do we do now?” And they said, “well, just wait.” And slowly, but surely can see two white lights coming toward me when they got close enough, they were about the size of an adult- two of them. And they were kind of white and cylinders, white light. And the one on the left said,” we are your teachers. We are here, to teach you things that you need to know while live in your life on earth this time”. He said repeat after me. And then he had me repeat after whatever he was saying to me at that time. And when he got done, then the other one said,” I’ve got something for you too.” And they told me to repeat, and I did the same with that. The next thing I know, I wake up in the morning in my bed and I’m going to go, well, that’s the weirdest dream I’ve ever had.

And so I, I kept floating up out of my bed every night. And then after a while, the spirit guides came back and said,” well, they want to talk to you again. “So we went off and did the whole trip back over there. And this time, they had me try to tell them what I had been told before. So I ended up back at home again, woke up in the morning and we went back a third time and evidently, they got it right that time. And what they told me is that what you’ve been told, you won’t remember now until you need to know it, and then you’ll just suddenly be aware of it. That was the end of the trips with them and sure enough, it happened.

When I was 17 years old, I was at college, freshman year and I was trying to figure out the role I wanted to do for a career. I just don’t know what to do. And you know, all this money’s being spent for going to college and I don’t know what I want to do, and I need to figure that out so I can get a major, and then I suddenly I knew that I’d have a career. That would be fantastic. I would have one career. I would never be fired. I’d never be, let go. I would stay with the job, and it’d be in for as long as I want, and I’ll retire on my own terms. I would have a woman in my life that would thoroughly enjoy. and we’ll have children, though they’re not my children, in my life. And it all worked out really nice. And both came true. I was a software engineer for IBM. I was there for 43 years. and I have a woman in my life and her daughter from a previous marriage who had several kids. So we’ve got grandkids too.

Johnny Burke: A few questions about the spirit guides. Do you think we all have them, and we often hear stories about spirit guides and guardian angels, and they’re often confused. What are the differences between the two, and can a spirit guide also be your guardian angel?

Greg Thompson: Well, that’s a good question. Guardian angels, I got the impression that it’s another spirit guide.

I thought about this over the last few years, is if the guardian angel actually isn’t my spirit part of my … when we come to earth, only a small portion of the soul is in the body, the rest of it is elsewhere. And I can’t help but wonder if the guardian angel is more that than anything else. Just another segment of myself, that I’m not aware of because of the veil between me and home if you will.

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told that, sometimes they can be the same thing, but there’s also several different types of spirit guides. What is your experience, with the different kinds, if any.?

Greg Thompson: Yeah, there is definitely more than one type. The spirit guides that I normally talk with are with me all the time, every day. It appears to be two, but, you know, I that’s my guesstimate. But I’ve also had a situation where I’m in meditation, and it’s only happened a few times, where I’ve had another entity, come to me, and it comes from above my head, comes down over my head and over the front of my forehead. Well, the first time I did that, the power and the energy of it was so strong it gave me a headache. It was trying to communicate so fast with information that I couldn’t absorb it. And I actually said, I think I yelled it out, it was in a meditation with this group of people yelled out, “please stop, stop! It’s hurting.” And it did, it stopped. About six months later, it came back again, but it came back much gentler. I could pick up and understand, and it was asking me questions, rather interesting ones. It said, “what do you want to do in your next life?”

Johnny Burke: Oh, that’s incredible.

Greg Thompson: Well, now am I dying yet or what? I had been thinking about it. One of the things that I can do, and I’ve been puzzled by it is that, when I look at a person, I can see them as being a child, a baby, all the way up to the point in time when they die, what they look like. and it’s not with everybody, and it makes me kind of interested in time and how time works. And so I said, “I would like to, study time.” There was a pause, and the answer came back granted. So I guess when I leave this life, I will be working with time.

Johnny Burke: So this gave you some insight into the reincarnation cycle?

Greg Thompson: Oh yeah. I’ve had reincarnation dreams, it actually started with one of the women at this group of people that I met in St. Helen’s. There was this one woman sitting in the corner, and I looked at her and I go, I know her. And I couldn’t figure out how I would know her, because I had never been to St. Helen’s that much. How would I know her? And she was older than me, by probably 10, 15 years. She had a white glow around her or aura around her and everybody in the room. They didn’t treat her as being the leader or a facilitator or whatever, but they all look to her for, guidance while we’re in that meeting. Afterward she’s the one that said,” have you written a book yet or not? “One of the people in that group died a few years later and they even came to me after they had died, and said, “write the book, write the book.” So I was getting hit by people that I knew who are now passed over and I’m getting hit by my spirit guides at the same time.

Johnny Burke: You got quite a few, I don’t know what you’d call them, extrasensory skills. That sounds like a mediumistic ability, being able to contact or experience people that have crossed over. Would you agree?

Greg Thompson: Yeah, I think so. In fact, the woman which he passed away, and, the gentleman who died, I sat down at the piano one day and, the gentleman, just before he died, I got a tune from him and I started playing it on the piano and I took it to him actually, and recorded it and took it to him and said, “you know, does this sound familiar?” and goes, “well, not really, but it’s kind of cute, kind of pretty”. And it was a jig, an Irish jig. And I said, “well, you’re the one that gave it to me.” He said” I did?” So he was a bit surprised by it. and then later, when the lady died, she did the same thing. She gave me a tune which was rather interesting. And then I had to finish the tune. She put in the first phrase, I put in the second phrase, and then the third phrase of it, which we both worked on together on the piano. And I still play that. I play both of those tunes still- they’re very important to me.

Johnny Burke: They actually, gave you like some riffs or, or some melodies for an actual song then?

Greg Thompson: Yeah, yeah, they’re playing it through my hands.

Johnny Burke: That’s pretty incredible. Since we are on the subject of extrasensory powers, I spoke to someone, Robert Bare, who had quite a few experiences. And he noticed a heightened ability, a mediumistic ability after I believe it was, his second NDE, but he said he didn’t want to pursue it. Do you ever get the same feeling?

Greg Thompson: My second NDE was much stronger than the first one. I think the primary cause the first one was my fault. I was drinking and drove, one of those things you shouldn’t do ever do. And I swore I’d never do, but I did. But the second one was, after getting the neuro virus that was a situation where it took me five days for the body to die. Parts of it stopped working. The feet stopped working. One day I was lying in bed at the rehab. It started with a viral foot infection in my right foot. So I was sent off to rehab to learn how to walk again and then also monitor through the antibiotics. And it took five days to die, and I actually did die.

It was on the beginning of the sixth morning. I couldn’t talk, my body didn’t work at all. I could not move anything except my eyelids. I could still grunt, and that’s what I realized that I actually am dying. I had been given a 30% chance of survival. I went through the process of thinking about friends, what would they say when I die? and I started with my coworkers. And I moved my way down to loved ones. With the final person I’ve talked to or thought about was Nancy, who is my significant other, and she would take a very hard. At that time, she didn’t believe much in the afterlife at all. She’s changed her mind since knowing me a lot. But I finally did die. I mean, I know I died.

Johnny Burke: Were you clinically dead or ?

Greg Thompson: Well, it was not clinically dead, because I was not being monitored, but I have congestive heart failure. After getting that situation, I hear my heartbeat through my ears. Left to your right ear, a hiss kind of a sound. At that moment, I didn’t know it at the time I was reflecting back on it that I didn’t hear anything at that moment at a time when I said,” I give up”, at that one at a time, it was completely, nothing happening. And then there was a voice that popped up in my left ear saying, “why are you still here? “You know how to fly away. You’ve done it before -why are you still here?” and it kept repeating this and I was not responding to it at all.

And then the Golden Sphere of Souls, I call it, appeared at the bottom of my bed. Just beyond the bed. I’d seen it twice before my life when I was heavily depressed . And in the past, what it did was I permitted to come to me, it’s a ball of energy. And inside the energy, there’s a lot of white, silver flashing lights, and each one of those lights represents a soul. And there’s hundreds of them, maybe thousands of them in this, compacted sphere. And what they had done in the past was, I permitted them come to me and they covered me completely, smother me in them and I’d get this unconditional love. There is no English language that works for this. It warmed the soul, if you will. Every part of me was warmed up. And so here it is again at the bottom of my bed and the voice said, “what’s that? what’s that doing here? You know how to fly away. Why are you still here?” And I said, Oh, I’m fine. I’m just kind of going, oh, I know that. And I should come forward. And it came forward. It covered my feet and my feet got warm. And that’s when I realized that my body was dead cold. And The voice is still saying “you haven’t left yet. Why are you still here?” it stopped after it got my feet warmed up.

And so I asked the sphere to come forward and it did. It started moving up my body slowly encasing my body in this, golden energy. As it got up where my hands would be, it spread out like a scanner and kept on going up. Now through my hands and the body at the same time, going up the arms and such. And when it got to my heart, I was not there anymore. I was not in that space anymore. I was out in the universe, and I fully connected to everything. Everything that’s out there. I could feel the energy between planets and the suns, and I could feel it between the asteroids and the comets and everything. I could feel all being connected, all being one. And I am part of that one and I felt spirits floating around with me and I know them, but I couldn’t figure out who they were. And it just became a beautiful moment where everything was connected. And I am part of that connection.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a few times as well. So when you’re in the hospital, what you told me about the Goldens Sphere of Souls reminded me a little bit of when people are just about to pass. They start talking to some of their deceased relatives. So being that you’ve gone through this, obviously more than once, do you believe that it’s not someone’s imagination, that the veil is getting thinner and their loved ones who have left us are coming over to kind of guide them through the light?

Greg Thompson: I believe that’s very, very true, very true. One of the things that my spirit guides have asked me to do, and it’s an ask. It’s not a, not a command, is to help people die.

Johnny Burke: Which is exactly what I was talking about.

Greg Thompson: Yeah, that sounds cruel, but it’s not. If I finally figured it out with the last one I did, which was in 2018, and the first one was when I’m 17 years old. This is my belief; part of my soul is in this body, this physical body on earth, the body is part of the earth itself. And therefore it has a lower frequency than what we would have if we were a soul, out at home. And I also have a connection with the spirit world on a daily basis, on almost an hourly basis. So I’m able to communicate, I’m also an empath. When I’m asked to help somebody die, I’m actually at that location. It’s a remote viewing. I’m actually with that person group of people.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Remote viewing is often associated with out-of-body experiences, isn’t it? Because I think you can’t really have one without the other. So, do you consider yourself an empath or an intuitive or both?

Greg Thompson: I’m definitely an empath. I can’t handle bright lights. I can’t handle loud noise, it’s just too much stuff coming into me at the same time. One time I was at a concert, and they warned us at the beginning, they were going to have flashing lights on and loud music. And I didn’t realize what they meant by that. The flashing light was so strong. And the decibel level of the sound that they had was extremely high. And when it got done, I had been sitting in a chair and I had literally floated out of the chair was almost on the floor and I couldn’t move.

Johnny Burke: Being an empath; it’s probably a lot easier for you to make the connection to the spirit guides and the guardian angels of the world. I’ve been told that everyone has spirit guides, but it’s not the easiest thing in the world to make that connection. How do we do that?

Greg Thompson: That’s a very good question. I’ve been asked many times. it came naturally to me. But I have had times in my life when I’ve had to, especially working on deadlines, you work on getting things done and getting them done right. I’d get tied up in that mess for days. And finally, I have to remove all of that pressure. And so I ended up doing a meditation and the meditations are very simple. what I ended up doing is I find a quiet place for me. It has to be very quiet. Other people love to have music on or whatever. That’s fine. Whatever works for them is good. I just sit down, and I just relax my body. I start feeling my body. And it may take five or 10 minutes to do that. Just to get the body quieted down. And what I do is basically I open my mind.

I think about the fact that I’m surrendering. I don’t believe there are evil demons trying to get to me. I’ve never come across it. I’ve never experienced it. So I opened myself up to the goodness and I accept the fact that there are things I do not understand. And that’s a hard thing. If you’re a logically minded person, or you’ve been taught the physical is the only thing out there.

Johnny Burke: I think we know that’s not true anymore. You’ve also mentioned in the book that you communicate with other forms of life. Is this in the astral plane or is it a different type of spirit, or what exactly is that?

Greg Thompson: It’s actually things here on earth. I communicate with trees. That was my first thing that I ever did. And I started that when I was really young. I think about six years, seven years old, something like that. During the summers, I would live at the beach with my grandparents. And there was this one tree out there I’d go to, and I don’t know why, but when I went to that tree, I would start to climb it, when I was old enough to finally be able to get that first branch. And I was very careful not to break a branch.

And I would just slowly imagine myself going into that tree. I would start looking at the detail of the tree. I look at the bark, I’d be looking at the needle so I could be like 50 feet away looking at the street. I started feeling like I was getting closer and closer to the tree. And then all of a sudden, at some point the trees are very slow. They don’t talk fast. They are very slow, And I wouldn’t say talk, communicate. I would sit there and just slowly, start imagining myself being in that tree. And I would slowly connect up with it and I could feel the fluids going up the tree and coming down the tree.
And I could feel the breezes and the leaves such has when we go by and such. And it’s such a peaceful thing. It is one with other trees. It’s one with the brush and shrubs around it. They all understand they all work together. The trees will send energy, and minerals in any way it can, to another tree that’s being affected if it’s ill. They really do stand together.

Johnny Burke: Earth is actually a living being, hence, the name Gaia. So, any other, forms of life that you’ve contacted that we need to know about?

Greg Thompson: Whales, grizzly bears, and deer.

Johnny Burke: Grizzly bears? what do you guys talk about?

Greg Thompson: It was in Glacier National Park. A friend of mine and I were going down to Hidden Lake. We were hiking down by the waterfall. There was some activity on the other side of the lake. A couple of bears. They were aware of us; they could smell us. And they were scared of us, and something had happened to them to make them jittery and come into this valley from wherever they had been before. And so I communicated with them” we’re not a threat- we’re just going down to the end of the lake.” And as we’re walking back out, the bear started moving forward again, and they were going pretty much where we had been.

#48 Johnny: For listeners that really want to know more about spirit guides and angels, what is the biggest takeaway that they need to know about?

Greg Thompson: My belief: we all have at least one or two spirit guides, angels if you wish to call them that. They’re with us every day and they are trying to communicate with us constantly. They do not tell us what to do. They’re only trying to guide us and, they may actually be trying to help you avoid a dangerous situation too, which I’ve actually have had happen. They are our friends and I believe they actually may be soulmates, that we have many soulmates. I believe we have hundreds of them.

Before coming back to earth this time, these two, I think I had a contract with them, to work with me during this life. I’m very fortunate that way, but anybody can do that. If you just open your mind to the fact that it’s possible, that there is some help there and they’re good. They’re good people. Good souls. Open your mind up to it and, you’ll be surprised. And then the other thing is, look at all the questions this is you’ve ever had in life. Are they really a coincidence or was there an intervention of some sort going on to help.

Johnny Burke: Someone just asked me that in an email, and I wrote back coincidence? No such thing. Greg, thanks so much for joining us today. Really, really good stuff. How can our listeners learn more about you online?

Greg Thompson: That you can find my website, http://www.livingwithmyspiritguides.com.And I’m also the leader of the Portland IANDS. So if you went to Portland IANDS, you’d find me there too.