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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Pamela Aloia. She is an energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and teacher. Her work helps clients understand how w they’re affected by energy and how to clear emotional and mental clutter. Today we’ll be talking about her experiences meeting people from the other side, connecting with past lives, and working with angels. Pamela, welcome to the program.

Pam Aloia: Thank you very much for having me. I’m excited to be here Johnny,

Johnny Burke: Excellent. so I’m thinking that when I look at :energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and all of your experience- the energy healing, did that experience come first or was there something else before that?

Pam Aloia: It was the energy healing, at least that I remember consciously.I was having a lot of physical issues and while I was receiving some feedback and some help from traditional medicine with medication and things like that, it wasn’t enough. I found that when I went to some of the alternative therapies, that energy work was the best thing that gave me about 75% of relief from my symptoms, and I was able to go off some medication from it.

So once I realized that energy healing was a thing and it was real, I really just jumped into it with both feet and figured, okay, I got to learn as much as I possibly can about this, and share it with as many people who are open to it.

Johnny Burke: And it seems at least from my experience, that the energy healing seems to be like a starting point for many, many of an intuitive path. Do you find the same thing? Yeah.

Pam Aloia: Yeah, it is a common occurrence to get people onto a different way of thinking about things and viewing things. I think a lot of folks that I speak to start to realize that they were looking at things so linearly and so 3D-ish that we are so ingrained on getting the symptoms of our physical issues resolved when we don’t always realize that our physical issues could be associated with emotional issues or mental issues or constructs that we’ve either been ignoring or have been programmed within us that we don’t even realize that they’re there.

Johnny Burke: And can we assume that your entry into the world of energy healing, and everything that comes with that, is that how you discovered past lives and spirit guides and things like that?

Pam Aloia: It is, through deep meditation. I learned that meditation got me through some of my discomfort physically with some of the symptoms that I had been having, and it also brought me an inner awareness about myself. And then about guides, angels and those who have passed and everything else that goes along with that.

Johnny Burke: And it’s quite a vast universe, if that’s even the right term. It’s probably more like a galaxy or several galaxies. I know a lot of us are still trying to figure that out. So,

Pam Aloia: tTrue.

Johnny Burke: What really comes first? We have past lives, angels, spirit guides, and other types of beings. Did this kind of all hit you all at once or was it little by little?

Pam Aloia: With the meditation, I found that I was able to understand more about Angels and guides. Now, I grew up Catholic, so I always believed that we had guardian angels with us. Anyhow. I just assumed they were with us, but never really did anything to try and feel them other than pray. So the more I did the meditation though, I felt like I could open up doorways that I hadn’t opened up before.

So I was aware of different changes in energy and started to do some conscious meditations to learn who my guides were, learn who my angels were, and connect with other spiritual beings too. Yeah. So I would say that probably came first, and then the next thing that happened for me was connecting with past loved ones. And that was sort of by accident for me.

The first, relative of mine who I would say she connected with me because it was my grandmother. I had, I guess, received some of her furniture and had it in my home, and it was just in one room in the home. And after a while of having it in the home, I would go into that room and I would feel her. When you have furniture or heirlooms or things like that, you’re going to feel the person’s energy, that’s part of the reason why you take it, is because you want to feel and stay close to that person. This was more than that. I actually started avoiding that room because I knew she was there. I had a feeling she was there and growing up, this wasn’t something we talked about. I didn’t think I was going crazy. I knew what I knew, but I didn’t know who to talk to about it so that I could feel more secure in it. And finally one day I was outside doing some yard work. And this is months going by now, months gone by. I know my grandmother’s there. I know she wants to talk to me, and I just keep avoiding the situation. So I’m doing some yard work and I’m taking a break. And I feel my uncle, my uncle who’s also passed, he’s never come through to move before or since, by the way, he came in, he said, clear as day”you know, someone wants to talk to you. “And I said, yes, “yes, I know. “And I said,” but I’m not sure I want to talk to her.” and she said,

Johnny Burke: Were you scared ?

Pam Aloia: I wasn’t scared at all. There was no fear whatsoever. I knew he was coming from a loving place. and I think it was time. I know I had ignored it long enough. I said, finally, “Okay, I’ll make some time later on today and I’ll sit with her. “And I did. And then that kind of opened the doors for other folks to come through. People I knew, people I didn’t know.

Johnny Burke: Now when you commune, I guess is the right word, with people that have passed over, What kind of insights come at you right away? Are they happy? Are they sad? Does it vary? I’ve heard lots of different accounts on that.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. To me it varies on how long the person, and that’s not always true either. So, it depends on how the person is transitioning to the other side. Sometimes it depends on how long they’ve been over there too. Initially, some folks take a little bit of time to some folks took a very long time to transition. I had a mentor of mine whose husband had died, and she claimed it took him 20 years to come to her and accept that she was trying to connect with him for all of those 20 years. But he had lived a life that he was ashamed of. And he came to her 20 years later and said, ‘you know, all the work that you’ve done, the forgiveness work, the love you’ve sent me has definitely helped me grow on the other side.’

And then I’ve talked to people who, come to me and ask to connect with somebody who’s passed, some people just want to know they’re Again, sometimes depending on how quickly it’s been, some folks are still transitioning, and finding it interesting exploring what it is to be on the other side. and others are just totally, ‘Whoa, this is great. We love it’. You know, ‘don’t call us too many times’, you know?

Johnny Burke: Don’t call us?

Pam Aloia: If we’re having fun.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that. Other mediums have told me that when a person passes initially, it takes them time to learn how to communicate with living people that are still here on Earth. And speaking of mediums, I noticed that you don’t use that term, even though by definition you are a medium. Because if you can talk to the dead, that’s how it’s usually described. Do you consciously avoid that label or,

Pam Aloia: I may consciously avoid that. I think part of that is because to be. People who have crossed over and are able to connect with those folks as well as spiritual beings. To me, it’s all the same. it’s a different vibration If you can tap into the different levels of vibration, so to me, it’s more than mediumship. I don’t really segregate the two. I could. I will admit secondarily, I think part of the mediumship, to me is, growing up, again, this was not something that you talked about very often, and if someone was a medium, they were automatically, kind of pushed aside, you know, dismissed, so I think part of that is in there too if I’m honest.

Johnny Burke: As a young person, were you able to see spirits and have psychic phenomena, psychic experiences at all?

Pam Aloia: Not that I recall. Not that I recall, no. The, closest I feel I’ve gotten to a spiritual experience as a young person was in second grade when I really started to have a fabulous relationship with Mother Mary growing up Catholic. I don’t recall anything specific. I do remember being in completely enamored with the apparitions with Wars of Fatima,And really was sucked into that story for years. I still am. I think it’s a fascinating story all the times that she’s appeared in places.

Johnny Burke: So on the subject of Angels and Guides, for one thing, I think some folks do kind of get them confused. Can you give us some clarity on that, if it’s possible? They are different. And I’ve been told that angels have never been on Earth whereas guides are usually people that have lived here and then passed on.

Pam Aloia: And, that is my understanding too. So the angels, again, it’s a different vibration. The angels vibrated, I would say a higher vibration, although they can lower themselves depending on where we can meet them in between. The angels bring a much loftier energy but they can be quite humorous at the same time, and practical, you know, kind of call you out on your own stuff in a humorous way. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: it’s not the first time I’ve heard that either. It isn’t, I think it’s kind of funny. It’s good to know.

Pam Aloia: It is. It’s fun. It, it’s fun. And because you can feel the love behind it, there’s no judgment, there’s love and you can have fun with it, even though you’re screwing up or you feel like you’re screwing up there. There’s just endless love. So that’s lovely. And guides can be folks who have been here in the past. They could be from your lineage. They could be Indians, they could be Eskimos, you know, it could be other people, but you can also have guides that are animal guides as well. not necessarily have walked the earth, but say we have a guide that’s a bear ;that to me encompasses the whole bear energy of all bears that have ever lived. just the essence of what a bear is. I have seen people who have guides who are like, dragons or fairies or things like that. So it’s not just related to earthly type things.

Johnny Burke: Dragons? as in like Game of Thrones? Like those kinds of dragons?

Pam Aloia: I’ve seen dragons yes, I’ve seen water dragons, air dragons, fire dragons, it really depends on the person. And all guides are great. It’s more what meets the person’s personality or the information, in essence of what they need at that time.

Johnny Burke: So, do you think it’s true that we create the vision of our guides, or do they somehow read our minds and just manifest themselves in a way that is best for the individual?

Pam Aloia: I would say the latter. I hadn’t given as much thought quite honestly, but the way I understand it is that we have, for lack of a better word, a team of light and the team of light can be angels and guides put together if we’re going to simplify it. Based on what it is that we need at that time, I believe there are some guides who stay with us throughout our whole lifetime. And there are other guys that kind of switch guards mm-hmm based on what we’re going through. So, in that regard, I do believe that those folks will come in based on what we’re resonant with so that we can receive the messages.

Johnny Burke: So now that we’ve got a pretty good explanation on that, can you tell us how you work with Angels and Guides with your clients?

Pam Aloia: I believe that when I work with clients, we are working with both of our angels and guides to get the clarity, the healing, the information, whatever it is that the person is there for together and getting it in the most concise, accurate manner for them to receive. So I don’t believe that it’s me working with the client. I feel like we’re bringing in the whole team of light and saying, okay, what does this person need based on their intention? We set the tone, we call them in from the very beginning. And a lot of times the angels or guides will bring verbal messages. They’ll bring in emotional calm or information to the client that I may not even be aware of. They can bring in different colors of light geometries, whatever it is that they need, they bring it in. I really believe that we probably only are aware of say, 30% of what they’re providing for us. And the other 70% would be things that we either can’t sense, don’t need to know.

Johnny Burke: How did you come up with the 30/ 70 distribution? Is that just a guess or just a gut feeling?

Pam Aloia: That’s this, this is the first time I came across it because I know that there’s a lot of times when, even in meditations if we’re clearing ourselves cuz we all have patterns. So, if we take some time to clear a pattern, it could take weeks, months, or years, depending on how ingrained that pattern is in us. There’s times when we have to create, we would have to let go of any other, how do I say this?

There’s certain agreements we may have made to have this pattern in our lifetime so we can learn from it or we can learn to let it go. In doing that, my experience has always been we don’t need to know everything. So sometimes we can just let that go, if we’re intending to let go of something that doesn’t serve us anymore because as humans, we tend to overanalyze everything, and the more information we have, sometimes it’s worse for us. So, I think, 30 to 50%. We don’t know what’s going on. We’re just letting it go energetically.

Johnny Burke: We may not need to know, those things. You mentioned agreements, this definitely does, conjure images or thoughts of the in-between space. Life between lives, in between incarnations. In your experience or with your clients, have you experienced that space?

Pam Aloia: Yes, definitely both with myself as well as, with my clients in the past life regression therapy sessions, we do, and I find it fascinating because it helps us understand some of the trials and tribulations we’re doing here. Some of the agreements we make are not always spiritual.

So, let’s say for instance, in a past life regression session, if we were dying in a past life and say we were dying because we were, being hanged because we stole something, but we didn’t steal anything, we were wrongfully accused by our friends. And we said to ourselves, we’re never trusting a soul again in our lives before we gave our last breath. So when we come into this lifetime, we’re all of a sudden the most distrusting person in the world. We don’t think that anybody can love us. We don’t think that anybody’s treating us correctly because we know they’re going to betray us at some point in time. So, these sort of agreements are things that are not helpful for us.

It could be a lesson for us, but sometimes we bring that on ourselves based on a prior experience.

Johnny Burke: One of the questions I’ve always had because I’ve had quite a few people talk about past lives and the in-between space. And invariably what comes up is that it’s like almost casting a movie on how they make the agreements. They basically take on role. So is it even possible to differentiate between someone who’s playing a role and someone who’s just being, just a lousy, poor human being? Free will. Is there a way to do that, or is that something we’ll just never know?

Pam Aloia: So, are you saying in our lifetime here, can we tell if, say your brother is playing a role versus your cousin playing just a not necessarily nice guy?

Johnny Burke: Actually, no, it’s a tricky question. Let me rephrase. Let’s you have some experiences here in this lifetime, which are not great. There’s a mix that there’s good and there’s bad. You get to the in-between space and you talk to guides or whoever is there.

Do you discover there what roles the soul family- the members had? If someone was supposed to give you a hard time as opposed to somebody who was not playing a role, and was just a mean person,; murderer, thief, or whatever, is there a way to really figure that out or do we even need to know?

Pam Aloia: In my experience, most of the time that we get to that space where we’re talking about who played what role, that is really all we talk about because those were the most important ones. If we weren’t learning that lesson, then everything else was kind of superfluous and not necessary to know. So I think it’s something we would worry about after the fact, if we’re getting the main gist of what that lifetime was presenting for us, then that’s sufficient. But I appreciate the question because now in my next sessions, I’m going to see if we can bring in some of the minor characters and see what happens. So thank you.

Johnny Burke: I’ve always been curious about that because this space is incredibly fascinating. The first time I heard that, I thought, this can’t be true, but invariably, whenever I talk to an experiencer or a practitioner like you, even though the details might vary a little bit, the mechanics are almost identical. You go there, you get a life review, which is not someone judging you. You’re basically judging yourself as if someone is asking, how do you think you did? Right? And then you take on a role and it’s like, casting a play. It might be a Shakespearean tragedy, it might not. And it’s for the good and the learning of everyone in the group, not just you.

Pam Aloia: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: It’s almost identical every time I hear someone try to explain what it’s actually like to be in the in-between space. So, when you first discovered this, how different was it from a past life experience or are they very similar?

Pam Aloia: How different was,

Johnny Burke: How different was the life between lives?

Pam Aloia: Oh, the life in between Oh, okay. Then the life itself, how different was it? you’re in a completely different space, obviously. When you’re experiencing the past life, you’re in it, you’re feeling the emotions. You are there, you’re not seeing anything beyond it. You’re bringing yourself right back into that space. So, it’s completely different because usually once we get into the in-between space, all the drama kind of falls away. You’re less stressed and you can see things a little more objectively than subjectively.

Johnny Burke: So that’s the difference. Okay. Yeah, that’s great. Can you tell us about some of your experiences or your client’s experiences in that space?

Pam Aloia: In the past life arena we’ve had quite a few interesting ones. So, I guess for myself, the example I used with the judgment piece was one of my past lives where I was wrongfully accused by my friends who I thought were my friends and I was hanged for something. So, judgment was definitely something, that I have come a long way on and in the importance of non-judgment because it’s important we’re all going through something different for our soul learning. The importance of non-judgment is pretty huge.

I’ve had some past lives where I was a Native American- two specifically. One was very interesting; all I needed to know from that lifetime was that me and my sister in that lifetime were just joyous and lovely. And so, we wound up growing altogether, but that sister in that lifetime is now a very dear friend of mine here, which is lovely.

Johnny Burke: I was just about to ask you that, what is it like if you recognize someone in this life that you’ve shared lives with before?

Pam Aloia: Oh, like you meet this person and all of a sudden everything clicks. Why do I get along so well with this person? I just met her for 20 minutes and we know each other’s life story. It’s a connection that doesn’t fade, I don’t think. But I also believe it is true for what role she was planning to play in this lifetime. Right? So maybe she was here, we’re both here to support each other. But say I had a friend or somebody else in a lifetime. And this time they decided, hey, we’re going to be that mean person. We’re going to marry you and treat you meanly and have you go through a divorce. You know? So, I don’t think it’s always our best friend in one lifetime’s going to carry through that way to the next, I think we all switch it up to play different roles.

Johnny Burke: It’s like in the movies, sometimes you’re the good guy and sometimes you’re not.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. I agree.

Johnny Burke: Great so, experiences in the in-between space for some of your clients; anything that was really, really interesting and, and had an impact on them as well afterwards?

Pam Aloia: I guess those two I could go into. One of the women who had a very, very strong reaction to her past life and her past life was that she was a Jewish child in World War ii, and she saw herself, we got to the point where she was in a mass grave. She hadn’t died yet, but she was in a mass grave. And one of her emotions was,’ I don’t understand. I did everything right. I said all my prayers, I did all the rituals. We were good people. ‘ All that kind of stuff. So it was very traumatic for her when we got out of it. We actually didn’t even get to this in-between lives but helped her understand some of the issues she had with religion and spirituality in this lifetime. I know that seems pretty even keel, but it was very deep and very profound for her. And just as we can have very deep and very profound experiences.

There was another woman who wanted to experience past life regressions. She was a little skeptical. And she goes,” I’m not sure I want to do this.” so we said, okay, “why don’t we set the intention that our first past life regression therapy session with you is going to be pretty benign. It’s going to be a life and death so that you feel comfortable with it.” And we did. She was dying in bed in this lifetime. And she could feel that she was dying. She said I could even smell the smell of decay a little bit before she was dying. And she said she wasn’t afraid. She was totally accepting of that death. And that touched her in such a way that we did more past life regression therapy sessions with her, but it also changed how she viewed her own death in this lifetime. thought that was kind of fascinating.

Johnny Burke: That does give people comfort that they’ve been through it before, which means they’re going to go through it again. This means, the obvious conclusion is, it doesn’t just end right here.

Pam Aloia: Exactly. Exactly.

Johnny Burke: Do you think though, and I’ve never asked anyone this question before, a practitioner that is, but do you think some people take offense to the idea of reincarnation and past lives? Because once they die, they just want to be done. They don’t want to be conscious?

Pam Aloia: Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. That’s part of it, and I think some people believe whatever their religion believes, and they don’t want to go against that for whatever fears they have around that. But yes, absolutely. Some people are like, why would I want to come back? Why would I want to come back? Heck, I, I have a client of mine who totally believes in past life aggression therapy sessions and she goes,” I hope I don’t come back after this one. I think I could be done.

Johnny Burke: It’s probably pretty common, but in your sessions- as we’re laughing,is it common for, you to walk your clients through a death at the end of every life?

Pam Aloia: That is our goal. And most of the time we do get there, but some of the time we don’t. And that’s fine.

Johnny Burke: How often do you go from there from one past life? What’s the trigger to go into the in-between space?

Pam Aloia: It usually flows very nicely if the client is willing to go that part. Sometimes we get to the place where, okay, what did I need to learn in that lifetime? And they’re good, they don’t want to know anymore. But I’m finding a lot of people want to know what was the plan? Why did we do it this way? Why did she have to come and do this? Why did he have to come and do this? The way I see it is that once we leave this life, we kind of go up into this little area where we meet our guides and everything, and then we go a little further up to say, okay, how did we plan on this? What’s the big orchestration going on?

Johnny Burke: So, it sounds like you’ve been doing this for a while, what do we have to do to keep from coming back here.? When I say to keep from coming back, I’m not saying consciousness ends. I’m saying we ascend, we go towards the light, or become more like light beings so we don’t have to reincarnate anymore. Do you have any insight into,

Pam Aloia: I have to say, I’m still figuring that one out. I would love to know if you find anything out, please, please let me know because there’s

Johnny Burke: Thanks, but I don’t have spiritual authority; I’m just a messenger. That’s all I can tell anyone. But I will definitely keep that in mind. So, at the beginning of the episode, you did mention something about 3d, when you talk about 3D the inevitable discussion is about 3D to 4D and 5D and beyond. What is, this journey, this path that you are on, what have you learned about ascension or going to the light or how we’re supposed to raise our vibe? Or is that even relevant to your path?

Pam Aloia: Raising the vibration is definitely relevant to the path, and I think that’s relevant to most folks who are on this path to raise the vibration for a number of things. One, to raise the vibration of ourselves. Then also raises the vibration for everyone around us. I believe that we can live our joy but there is a lot of contention around how we do that or why we would want to do that, or do we have the time to do that. So if we were to talk about dimensions, I think I get too mentally engrossed in the differences between the dimensions that I think it takes away some of the, purpose, I guess?

So, my focus has been more about, okay, how can I raise my vibration? Especially if you’re feeling low, how do you bring it up? If you’re already feeling high, how do you bring it even higher? Because to me, I believe that the evolution of humanity, is to bring that vibration up as high as we can, because if we are all vibrating at a higher rate, then life on Earth has to get better. We start living from the heart, we start treating each other better. We start having these experiences with what we call supernatural all the time. I believe that’s part of who we are, and It’s just that where we live in the vibration that we’re at keeps us from these experiences on an ongoing basis, like on a very regular basis.

Johnny Burke: What you just mentioned reminds me something about what many mediums do and other intuitives, do say. Typically, it’ll be something like, this isn’t a gift, everyone has it. It’s a little closer to the surface in some than others. Is it possible that we were once a very advanced civilization thousands and thousands of years ago where we lived in a fifth-dimension type civilization where telepathy was common? Did you get a glimpse of any of that in any of your past life experiences or that of your clients?

Pam Aloia: I have had, so I agree. I believe that we have had on some timeline on earth that we were all already in 5D and something happened where we weren’t, we fell to a lower vibration for whatever reasons. It could be for a learning portion of humanity, it could be for its mistakes that we’ve made. I’ve had a past life where I supposedly was on Atlantis and was right before things started going really bad. I just remember being in a stone temple. And for me, what I needed to get out of that, lifetime was that stones can be healing and how to use them and draw some of that information in.

I had a client come in too for a past life regression, and I don’t know if we ever determined which civilization it was from, whether it was from Atlantis, Lemuria, or something like that. But he drew something from that lifetime and pulled it into this lifetime for some work that he was doing with lasers and trajectory and things like that. He was an engineer. It was really fascinating. I was so excited. He was stoked when he left. He’s like, “This is fascinating!”

Johnny Burke: So cool. And you mentioned Lemuria, which I think, as far as I’ve been told, is supposed to be even older than Atlantis. One of the things I’ve always been curious about, do you have a visual memory of that, or is it just kind of like a dream that you had a long time ago? Do you remember what things looked like?

Pam Aloia: I do not. I do not. I just remember the feeling in that temple and how sacred it was and how normalized our abilities were, looking outside in, it was like, ‘oh my gosh, we could do this!’ And then just being okay with all the crystals and stones and how we worked with those things.

Johnny Burke: How long ago do you suppose that was? I know you can’t pinpoint a year, but a lot of people are curious.

Pam Aloia: I don’t know. I honestly don’t know. I don’t usually ask timelines, although I will say I had a past life regression therapy session with a history teacher once, and she spent a lot of time saying, “Wait a minute, what we’re wearing doesn’t match that.” So, she started like bringing her mental mind into, I’m like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let’s do that afterward. Let’s get to the core part of your emotions here, you know? so I usually stay away fromit unless it comes up,

but I normally, uh, focus more on the emotional aspects. So, when I do past life regression therapy sessions, my goal is to help people eliminate or understand so that they can start to eliminate something that is keeping them or hindering them in this lifetime. So a lot of times you’ll go to, some meditations and say, ‘Oh, let’s just go to a past lifetime and see what it was like. ‘For me, I make sure that we have some sort of pointed, purpose. Okay. What do we need to let go of so you can feel freer, happier, and live life more fully?

Johnny Burke: So, it seems like this type of work can definitely have some therapeutic benefits.

Pam Aloia: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes, and it can be quite deep for some people, and it can just be quite fascinating for others, because everything is in our cellular memories and we just need to access it if we want, to get past certain things that we’ve carried on for whether lifetimes or even just into one lifetime.

Johnny Burke: What kind of advice do you have for someone who could be listening right now, and they’d like to be able to connect with their past loved ones? What are the dangers or what words of caution would you give them if they’re interested in doing that?

Pam Aloia: That’s a very good question because there’s a lot of information out there. There are a lot of people out there who could help guide you, but really follow your heart on what methods you want to use, and what people you want to connect with. There are a lot of safety protocols that I’ve put into place, from day one And I teach a class with a specific technique on how to connect with past loved ones. And there’s a whole setup you do to make sure that what you’re bringing in is of the light and that you’re comfortable with it. As soon as you’re not comfortable with it, it’s time to let it go. It’s just time to stop the session or change your space.

I’ll give an example; earlier on when I first started doing reiki, I’d say within the first five years of doing reiki, I was given a woman a session. Yeah, and it was interesting. I saw this figure walk in the door and sit down on the couch that was right next to the table, and it was a black energy and my mental body saying, something’s off, something’s off something, you got to get rid of this. But the energy was so calm and just sitting there, doing no harm. So about five or 10 minutes, I sat there, and I guess my mind got the better of me. And I said, ‘Listen, you need to leave. I’m very uncomfortable with you here.’ So, the being got up and left. I did a meditation afterward. I said, okay, what was that about? Who was that person? And that person was a friend of the person I was working on the table. And he wanted to come through because he saw the energy, he felt the light, and he wanted to know what we were doing because he thought it could help him.

So, from then on, I never judged being by the color of their energy. in fact, with certain clients, I’ll invite folks who are not as light to come in if they can learn from what we’re doing or be healed also by what we’re doing. I’ll invite them in, of course, a little off to the side so they’re not in our space, because I feel like we can uplift those folks as well.

So it’s really important to not judge a book by its cover because there are also some light beings who come through, you think they’re light and then you look past the light and they’re not so light. So there’s a whole thing of, I don’t like to use the word protection, but it is, you put an intention up there that you are safe and secure, and nothing but love and light is going to come through. So yes, I think it’s very important. It’s a good question to ask. Especially for folks beginning. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Right. So, anything else you can share about safety protocols? Because I’m sure there are a lot of curious folks out there, and I’ve heard quite a few cautionary tales saying, this is not for amateurs. And you must know what you’re doing. And protection is very, very important.

Pam Aloia: It is, it is, there’s lots of ways you can do that. You can bring in light, you can say a prayer, and you can ask angels for help. There are crystals that can assist too. I think you don’t always need to have an actual crystal with you. You can ask for the energy of the crystal to be with you. There’s music, there’s sage, there’s tons of things that you can do.

I actually wrote a book during the pandemic because I could see with all the contention going on and the controversy, there was so much anger and so much emotion that I wrote a book called The Daily Cloak. It’s an energetic guide for clearing and protecting, so you keep yourself clear so you’re not absorbing other people’s stuff. And, then you’re also protecting yourself. So once you clear, you keep your space sacred, you have to do that on a regular basis. So, there’s other books out there, other websites, and things like that that can help out with that too, but there’s tons of ways you can do that.

Johnny Burke: Good information to know and I think that information can’t get out there quickly enough because I have a feeling that a lot of people are getting involved with things that they have no idea what they’re fooling around with. Pamela, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Pam Aloia: You can find me on my website, which is PamelaAloia.com. I’m also on Facebook as Pamela Aloia author, and on LinkedIn as the same. Pamela, Aloia author.

#86 Lucy Brand: The Metaphysical World Part I

September 10, 2022 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Lucy Brand. She’s an energy alchemist, galactic shaman, divine channeler, and founder of Energetic Essence Healing. She helps women to heal challenges in their current life through channeling the divine angels, galactic beings, fairies, and looking at past lives. All of which we will be talking about today. Lucy, welcome to the program.

Lucy Brand: Thanks you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here, Johnny.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. your journey into the metaphysical world covers many areas. How did you get started on this path?

Lucy Brand: I think it’s always been there. It’s always been within me which might sound really corny, but I’ve just always known that I’ve been different and always been able to see things or sense things or hear things that other people couldn’t from a very young age. And so I guess to me, it’s normal, like that experience. It was only as I started to get older that I realized other people don’t hear voices or see things in the same way that I do.

Johnny Burke: You may have been reading my mind just a little bit there because what I was going to say is, it’s very common for intuitives to be able to see and hear things that other people could not. It almost always happens at a younger age,

Lucy Brand: Yeah,

Johnny Burke: Three, four or five years old, so.

Lucy Brand: Definitely. When I was very young, I think I was four or five. I had an imaginary friend, and my mom would have to set a place at the dinner table for them and plug them into the car with the seatbelts and stuff. They were very real to me.

Johnny Burke: seat belts?

Lucy Brand: You’d have to get in the car with us. And yeah, my parents never shamed me. They went along with it all, but now back then I know that yeah, I was seeing things. I did sense things. I remember I was probably about three, when an angel visited me and gave me kind of my book of life, of what I wanted to do, should I choose to do it. There was just lots of things that I could kind of pick if I wanted to do. And it was such a beautiful experience. I think just from a very young age, these things were very normal to me.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned the Book of Life. Could that be the same thing as the Akashic Records or is it something different?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, it could be, I personally don’t know a lot about the Akashic Records. What I have found in my personal experience is that sometimes a lot of people like to put labels on things as humans, and my labels don’t necessarily match up to someone else’s labels because it’s my experience of something. So in that way, it could have been the Akashic Records, but my understanding was, it was only this lifetime we were looking at, not all lifetimes. And my understanding of the records is it’s across all lifetimes and all energetic footprints.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard the same thing, but the book of life seems to be related; it could be the soul blueprint. Was that an angel or a spirit guide? Or are those terms sometimes interchangeable?

Lucy Brand: I think those terms are interchangeable, but I think this was definitely an angel to me because they were very bright white, and I’ve had experiences. Even a few years ago, I was at, a meetup for women entrepreneurs and a lady was speaking and I was listening, it was about 10 in the morning, and all of a sudden Archangel Michael and Archangel Raphael appeared behind me. I was like, you’ve got to be kidding me. Angel bumps on my skin. My hair was like, I was electric, and I was like, not now! Like I’m trying to listen to this lady speak. And they were just,- I was just like, this is so inappropriate. And they were so impressive with their wings- I could feel them, but I could see them as well, but obviously there was, it was a packed room, but they were in there and they just delivered the message at the time that it was now time for me to start speaking about my experiences, because I kind of have been in a bit of the closet with them. cause some of them have been quite wild.

Johnny Burke: That is so cool. It sounds like it’s too good to be true. Can you tell those guys to come visit me sometime” so I can say a little prayer: “Please help me in this episode, uncover the love and the light ….and please make me look cool?”

Lucy Brand: Not at all.

Johnny Burke: All right. Hopefully they don’t get angry with me but, seriously though, I think a lot of us, when we used to go to church, when we were younger, those are the experiences that we wanted. But after a while, I started to think okay, so where are the angels? Where are they? I think a lot of people felt the same way. So during these experiences, did any of your friends or cohorts witness the same thing or was it just your personal experience?

Lucy Brand: No, just my personal experience. I have had really powerful healing sessions with other healers, but that would tend to be more past lives. And they would maybe see the past life that I’m seeing that’s my own. I would say that those experiences are just reserved for me, which I think is really beautiful, but anyone could have those experiences.

I feel everyone’s intuitive. It’s about opening yourself up. I think this might be true. Well, it resonates with me, is talk to angels or spirit guides or whatever you choose to believe in source, divine, but not just when things are bad. Because even if things are good, they can help elevate them to something better. That’s why I always a set, like an intention for the equivalent or something better for the highest good of all involved, because my human consciousness is so small compared to that of the divine or source, or even angels, that if I offer it up, my human consciousness might not even be able to conceive of the amazingness that’s possible.. I feel that when I’ve worked with people, trying to help them develop, it starts with a feeling in your body, listening for the feedback for them to come back to you.

Johnny Burke: so speaking of the feeling and having them come back to you, do you find in your experience that expressing gratitude can raise our vibration and foster, more communication?

Lucy Brand: Don’t know. That’s a really good question. That might be true. again, it’s just something that I’ve done for such a long time. I probably take it for granted a bit because I have conversations with them all the time. My husband now knows a difference when I’m talking to myself or angels or something or him because I’m constantly talking to beings. Spirits. Yeah. This for me it’s they’re in the room with me all the time. So it’s just never stops unless I tell them to go.

Johnny Burke: Are they here now?

Lucy Brand: Oh yeah. They’re all here all the time!

Johnny Burke: I think that’s pretty incredible. When you have these communications, is it like telepathic? Is it a voice in your head or is it just a knowing? How does that work?

Lucy Brand: I think it’s all of them because you see sometimes it can be difficult to translate into human words, what they’re showing me. So, sometimes it can be difficult to translate, so for me, I see things, or I sense things. or sometimes I muscle test, if I’m too emotionally attached, it can make the signal a bit squiggly, if that makes sense. So then I will muscle test it, whether it’s a yes or a no to something.

But normally for me, it’s seeing, or hearing or feeling. yeah, I see everything. Yeah. Sometimes it’s a bit much like to be honest with you, a lot of past lives, aren’t that pleasant for most of us , so when sometimes some of the things I see in past lives, aren’t that nice. And I’m like, “oh. Dude, you don’t have to show me this. I get it.” I get it”

Johnny Burke: I like how you did that,” dude. You don’t have to show me that “that’s incredible. This is something I definitely want to get into- the past lives, but before we get to that and we will- you have a vast background in this journey of yours: energy alchemist, galactic shaman- that might be an entire episode unto itself ,and divine channeler so what actually came first?

Lucy Brand: I feel that it was the divine channeler, because I’ve always been connected to the divine in some way and been able to channel things or see things or hear things. Then I would say the energy alchemist came probably in my thirties throughout my life I would have people tell me” you’re a healer, you’re a healer.” And I’d be like, “but I don’t want to be a healer. Stop it. ” to be honest, I shut it all down when I was 15 because the dead could contact me and I was hearing voices and stuff like that. It’s hard enough being a teenager without that stuff. So I really shut it all off.

But then late twenties, and early thirties, I really started to open up to it again. And that’s when I started looking more into shamanism and energy work. And that’s when the energy alchemist came because I realized I could help people through shifting energy and moving stuck energy. And then the galactic shaman, that was when my light language came through probably about five years ago. Then started channeling beings from galactic realms. so they’re different to angels. And I found when I started that I had an Arcturian council of 12 that would help me with channeling, but now I can channel any galactic being I desire.

Johnny Burke: Wow that’s really incredible. The first thought would be energy shamanism and channeling. It’s connected. Isn’t it?

Lucy Brand: Completely.

Johnny Burke: It’s all part of the quantum realm. At least that’s what I’ve been told.

Lucy Brand: this is all just my experience and my perspective. So my understanding of this is like, we are all one, so I am connected to the divine, but I’m also connected to an Arcturian being and they’re all just in different realms, but because time doesn’t exist, I am in all those realms at the same time, because I’m a multidimensional being. So when you kind of get that, wrap your head around it, you realize that you could channel anything or anyone, even for the energy sources of trees or nature on this planet, everything has an energy signature.

Johnny Burke: This might open up a completely different rabbit hole, but Arcturians;what do they look like and what is their intention? Or is that a topic for another day?

Lucy Brand: From my experience, my connection, they’re kind of the master healers of the universe and also very, very intelligent and also have the fastest spacecraft in the universe as well. So they do a lot of humanitarian work. And I have seen that as well. I’ve seen some wild stuff that I’ve done, but I’ve had to close a portal in someone’s lounge where some galactic refugees that look like giant toads were coming through into the lounge. So I had to close- I know, this is like 11 o’clock on a Tuesday morning. so I had to close that portal. Yeah. Someone’s lounge.

Johnny Burke: a house like a living room?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. The thing is when you start opening up to stuff like this, and she’d started to open up the channels, but she wasn’t protecting her energy and protecting our home. That’s the biggest thing; you’ve got to protect yourself and create kind of barriers really, like protections around yourself when you start doing this work. But she couldn’t see stuff, she could just sense it. So she knew something was going on in her lounge, but she couldn’t see it. So I came over and I was like, oh yeah, I can see it. What’s yeah, what’s going on.

Johnny Burke: Pretty incredible. And what you just said about protections. I wanted to ask you this anyway with your talents, being able to speak to the dead and other beings for that matter- is there any reason why you didn’t just become a medium or…

Lucy Brand: Yeah,

Johnny Burke: is that something you wanted to avoid?

Lucy Brand: That doesn’t float my boat. So my experience of- let’s call them spirits. So my understanding is you pass over and then some people go to the light and, I don’t know, there’s this other world there or this other realm, which is, Love and Light. But then there’s some people that kind of get stuck in the middle. And I’ve helped some of those people go to the light because everyone goes to the light. There is no hell, but the people that tend to get stuck in the middle, some people call them ghosts. My experience- they tend to be a bit angry or have got a bit of vengeance or something like that because they don’t know they’re dead. Because they haven’t wanted to die, or something happened. There was a freak accident or something like that.

If we talk about energies, right? When you channel energies, you are still kind of on some level embodying that energy. You’re still taking it in as a healer, a channeler, you’re still taking that into your system, into your nervous system. With people that kind of died in that way it tends to be heavy energy. There tends to be a lot of sorrow, sadness, anger, and those denser heavier emotions. My knowing from a very young age was that would take its toll on you. Whereas what I channel is the lighter frequencies, like light language, galactic beings, angels, and their frequencies, are a lot higher. then say these other frequencies.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a bit. Unfortunately, when people die in a certain manner, let’s say even a suicide- who knows for sure, but they might be stuck in that in-between world. Hopefully, I think I heard you say everyone eventually goes to the light. There is no hell. There is no eternal damnation.

Lucy Brand: Yeah. And it really is easy. Sometimes they’re just lost. like, ” there’s the light, go on off you go” In my experience of the other side, there is only love and light. And that’s really what is here for us on planet earth. But it’s our humanness that can get in the way of that. Everyone has a free will on this planet. People can choose to behave in a way that might not be appropriate.

Johnny Burke: We will have to dive into that on another episode or another show, but definitely some great stuff there. I think it’s good for people- including myself to hear that. You also come from a long line of witches. I believe it’s on your dad’s side. How did you find out about that?

Lucy Brand: Interestingly, I always kind of knew. So it only passes down the female line. It doesn’t pass down the male line in my particular lineage and my grandma would read tea leaves and she would get together with her sisters, and they would read tea leaves. They left school at like 12 or 14 and they would fall asleep and speak in tongues, they would see the dead. They would predict the future as well. They predicted some pretty big things that happened in my family, through reading tea leaves and things like that. But my grandma, she didn’t really want to be a part of it, even though she had these gifts. So she never really taught me how to use them or control them. And that’s why it was quite scary as a teenager, having these gifts and not really knowing what to do with them or how to work with them.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned something about protecting yourself. Every medium or intuitive- anybody that channels anything, really stresses you have to do almost like a protection spell to only allow the light to come in and, there are apparently some beings that are not so nice, which we don’t talk about them too much at any time, so

Lucy Brand: It was one of the first things I learned when I was studying shamanism and it was a game-changer for me as an empath. So as soon as I started putting, I call them protection bubbles up around me,I wasn’t taking on other people’s emotions or their projections onto me. As a highly sensitive empath, that was a game-changer anyway, for me to live my life. But then just taking that and using that, because it’s the same if you are speaking to people in the spirit world as well, so I’d highly recommend it If you’re going to work, you know, or like, anything in your human life, putting a protection bubble around you.

Johnny Burke: We’re going to have to get those explicit instructions, by the end of the show- that’s great advice. Now for the past lives, how did you get involved with that, how did you learn about past lives you obviously work with them with your clients, right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, definitely, it’s just one of those things I just knew. I’ve just always known that this isn’t the only reality. I think it really ramped up a year after I got married, I had a vision, a really strong one of me and my husband in Victoria and England time. But we were both men and I was married to someone else, and he was married to someone else., and it was so strong. It was so visual. We were in this gentleman’s club. It was the only place that we could be together, being gay was illegal in England at that time. Then after that they just came through very thick and fast, because I know, and I feel my husband and I have had a lot of previous lifetimes together, but this is actually the first one we could actually be together because the other ones we couldn’t because of class systems -that one in ancient Egypt, we couldn’t, because I was kind of a noble lady, if you like, and he was a servant. Then we had another one in the states, in the US where he was the woman in that one and I was the man and I lost him in childbirth. Then with other healers, if I’m being worked on, then my past lives come up all the time. I’ve had some really funny ones.

But then for clients, I just tune in, like when they come to me with a challenge they’re struggling with in this lifetime. I’ll just check if is this a past lifetime thing? And then my guides will be like,” yes” and then they’ll normally show me what’s going on and I’ll be like, ‘all right okay. It kind of links into karma as well. My understanding is that the same souls circle each other. So that Victorian past lifetime, I mentioned, my wife in that lifetime is my mom in this lifetime. so the same yeah, so the same souls circle each other all the time. So that means stuff that perhaps you didn’t work out in a previous lifetime, you then have the opportunity to work out in this lifetime. But also it means perhaps if you had a sticky situation in another lifetime, once you heal that from that other past lifetime, it completely frees up your relationship or the situation in your current lifetime.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that as well from several people. What you just mentioned about how souls circle each other; is that related to the soul group or the soul family?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. Yeah. Like you have a soul group and a soul family. My feeling on this is that once you. Worked out your karma or you’ve completed, then different souls are going to come in. So your soul family is going to be forever changing. The whole goal is to evolve.

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard of the concept of the soul family evolving and changing. So one of the things I’d want to know about, the past life in Egypt. About how long ago was that?

Lucy Brand: Oh, I don’t know. Like it was a long time ago. I’ve had two, actually. I had one where I was a horrible, kind of religious man who was very high up with a Pharaoh of some kind. It was that time pyramids being built and stuff. And I was not a nice person in that one. I had to do a lot of healing on that. Sort of forgiveness. The one with my, husband, that was a bit more modern. I would’ve probably said, I don’t know, like white robes and I’m wearing gold. maybe 16th century?

Johnny Burke: That could be a thousand years ago, but do you get the idea that maybe some of these lives were before recorded history?

Lucy Brand: I did have one that I know of that was a bit difficult to decipher because I think it was before Mayan times. It was some kind of channel. I was a human, almost like goddess-like channel to other realms. you might have heard of the Atlanteans that was in South America. I remember finding it really difficult to describe because the stuff I was seeing and sensing it wasn’t from this world, but I was on planet earth. But that was before records began, our current records kind of thing.

Johnny Burke: very interesting. One last thing I wanted to ask you about the Egyptian lifetime, the earlier one. We see Egyptian art from thousands and thousands of years ago, illustrating these half human- half-animal beings. Was that superstition or worship? To the best of your knowledge, did those beings actually exist?

Lucy Brand: They did. They did exist because yeah, they would be like, an interpretation. For me, the Arcturians exist -that council exists. So I could create art of that. And that’s true. And I think it’s the same with that.

Johnny Burke: Did you actually see these things, or do you remember or did you sense it?

Lucy Brand: No, I didn’t see them then. The Mayon one or the ancient Egypt one.?

Johnny Burke: Ancient Egypt.

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I didn’t see them then there, wasn’t my time there. They were kind of already there.

Johnny Burke: So in other words that probably happened thousands, maybe 20,000 years ago or something of that nature?

Lucy Brand: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Many people that’ve been on the show apparently recall lives from Atlantis or even Lemuria, which is supposed to be even older. When you work with your clients, past life memories just come up and you communicate with your guides, and you can tell if their issue is related to a past life. You can see that pretty easily?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, like they’ll just show me. And normally it’s because the challenge that my client has it’s normally, because they’ve got karma with someone else. So they’ll show me the past life with that person and what’s happened. And then usually I’ll say,” this is what’s going on.” They’ll be like,” how did you know that?” like, I’ll get stuff about this lifetime, and I’ll ask them a question and they’ll be like,” how do you know that?’ because it’s all connected. It’s all connected especially if you’re in the same soul family.

Johnny Burke: Now regarding the spirit guides, it seems there’s like an intersection of sorts between angels and spirit guides. Then our higher selves, which I could never really quite figure out. Are they the same thing? What would be the best explanation of that for the layman?

Lucy Brand: My understanding is that you have sourced the divine, you have angels, then you have galactic beings. Then you kind of have like fairies and nature spirits. That’s why I was laughing as they’ve just turned up now, not wanting to be left out. But they’re quite earthbound really. The higher self, I believe and think that is actually part of you. So sharing one of the tricks of the trade here. Like I have conversations with other people’s higher selves sometimes to find out what’s really going on. So if someone’s acting out, I’d go and talk to their higher self and I’d be like,” Hey, what’s really going on? why are you really feeling sad?” the thing is with us humans is that we will never say what’s actually going on, especially if we’re hurting or in pain. So if you want a direct answer, you go to the higher self of someone. When I start doing stuff like this, I always ask, “is it divine and advisable?” and I’ll get a yes, in which case I can proceed. Or I’ll get a no. I’ve rarely got a no, and when I get a no, it’s like a lockdown.

If I have a client and I’m doing healing work on their body, I can see every layer of their body in terms of the energetic imprints and things like that. Sometimes if the client’s not ready to know information, that part’s not ready to be healed yet they’ll block it off. So I can’t see it because they’re very intelligent

Johnny Burke: Wow.

Lucy Brand: So, I always want to stay in the light, you know? I want to make sure that what I am doing is of the light and is good work. So that’s why I always ask if it’s divine and advisable. So I talk to higher selves all the time, and I think they’re tied more to a person’s spirit, an individual spirit. Whereas I feel like angels aren’t really tied to a human.

Johnny Burke: I would tend to agree with that. It reminds me of what someone told me not too long ago; when we go through an earthly life and reincarnate and go into that space in between incarnations and come back, a portion of our, maybe it is the higher self? stays home while our human self is down here. Does that make sense?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. That does make sense, but I think it’s one of those things where it’s all within.

Johnny Burke: What you’re saying about the information is given to you only if it’s helpful in that situation. If they’re not ready for it, you’re not going to hear about it, right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, definitely because I don’t want to know either. I have to be responsible on my end. So, and sometimes I’ll do a little muscle test under my desk and be like, is this client ready to know this stuff? And it might come back a yes or it might come back a no. So then I decide what I share. That’s another reason why I stayed away from- I can do mediumship and I have done it with some clients, because I feel like it’s helped them to hear from a loved one on the other side. But at the same time, when you do that, you become like a lighthouse and they all come and it’s just like”, no! get in the queue, get in the queue.”

Johnny Burke: I’m glad that you brought that up. One of my sister’s friends was sitting for a medium couple of years ago. And this was after our mom had passed. I believe my sister’s friend name is Stephanie. The medium was giving her a reading and all of a sudden, the medium stops, and she said,” who’s Nancy?” my sister’s friend said, “that’s my friend”. And she says, “are you going to visit her?”, which she was,” ” this woman is literally like jumping up and down waving.” And we think it was our mom. Does that sound plausible?

Lucy Brand: Totally. That happens all the time. Like, you can get people that other spirits that hijack as well, and you’re like, “get away, like this is their moment to shine. !”

Johnny Burke: Incredible!

Lucy Brand: yeah.

Johnny Burke: That’s definitely good to know. You’ve apparently spoken to God. Was it God or Jesus, or is it since we’re all one anyway? Tell us about that. How’d that happen?

Lucy Brand: All of them.

Johnny Burke: All of them?

Lucy Brand: yeah, so some people say the word, God, I prefer the word divine, because I think it’s not as charged sometimes for people, but I feel that it’s just an energy. It’s an energy. Like angels are an energy they can take form if they choose to. There’s been a few times, one of the most powerful ones was when I went to see a healer because I was really struggling – I experienced a traumatic burglary in my twenties and I was really struggling to move past it.

I went to see this healer and she was another one that said, “you’re a healer”, and I was like,” I don’t want to be”. While she was healing me and it was amazing because what other healing modalities had never been able to do- I’d got memory loss from that event, she managed to bring that memory forward. I could then know what actually happened that night, I could clear it from my system and let it go. So she did that with a violet flame, and she moved it out of my body. While she was doing that, Source spoke to me and said “Lucy, if you want to, in this lifetime, your mission is to show women how to give love, receive love, be love, and be loved. I was just like,” whoa. okay.!” and then like afterward I was pretty shell-shocked. I just remember going to the beach afterward, trying to process, ‘well I have to do this now.’ I can’t like not do it. ‘

When I’m in a healing session that’s focused on me, I go into a very deep meditative state, really deep states where I can access a lot of stuff. And I spoke to God again and I was just trying to find out whether the burglary was my fault and they said,” no, it was not your fault. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it wasn’t supposed to happen.” And that was hugely releasing for me because I think sometimes. With these things, we can blame ourselves and we can really beat ourselves up about it. Whereas to just hear that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time was very healing. Every time I’m in their presence, it’s the best feeling. It’s like love and bliss and joy and peace, all of that wrapped up in one. It’s amazing.

Johnny Burke: And I’ve been told that, by many people that some of these visits to energy healers are pretty incredible. I had one guest speaker a while back that said he basically felt like he met Jesus through a healer – an energy healer. I thought that was pretty incredible. as was, this episode. One last question; can you give us, a brief synopsis of the protective bubble mentioned?

Lucy Brand: Sure of course. Like I said before, everything’s within us. So I tend to connect to whoever I want. So I’ll connect with Archangel Michael, and I imagine the energy of Archangel Michael, which is actually, one of the most protective of angels. I imagine this bubble coming out from my torso in front of me, above me, below me, and behind me. And then I say something like “only love and light can enter and only love and light can leave. And so it is. Thank you divine within me”. And that’s it. I sometimes I like sometimes it might be a bit longer like, ” please only allow in blessings and joy and peace and the same out as well” because it’s not going to be a barrier. It’s going to be a flow of energy. So the same way, I only want to receive love and light. I only want to give love and light as well in case, someone challenges you a little bit or something you want to respond and not react.

Johnny Burke: Very good advice. I doubt I could top that, so I think we should end there. Lucy, thanks so much for joining us today. How can our listeners learn more about you?

Lucy Brand: Thank you so much for having me I’ve loved it. yeah, you can find me atwww.lucy-brand.com. I am on Instagram as well @energeticessencehealing. I’d love to hear from you.

#84 David Schwerin: Bring Your Joy To Life

August 27, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Channeling, spirit guides

#ArchangelMichael, #channeling, #energyhealer, #hermes, #knowyoursoulbringjoytoyourlife, #reincarnation, #spiritguides

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is David Schwerin. He’s an author of three books, Conscious Globalism, Conscious Capitalism, and most recently Know Your Soul: Bring Your Joy To Life. Today, we’ll be talking about connecting with spirit, channeling and how his latest book was written with the help of his spirit guides. David, welcome to the show.

David Schwerin: Thank you very much pleasure to be here.

Johnny Burke: Conscious globalism, Conscious Capitalism to” Know Your Soul: Bring Your Joy To Life”. How did you get interested in the spiritual, esoteric ideas?

David Schwerin: Well, this actually started when I started my career, which is a number of decades. I was interested in finance and investments, which is what my career initially was. And I was also “interested in understanding ancient wisdom. So those two areas of interest, really consumed most of my time, up until maybe last 20 or 30 years when, I focused almost completely on the spiritual side of things.

Johnny Burke: So the journey did start several decades ago. when did you learn how to channel, how did that start?

David Schwerin: Well, I guess I should bring the story forward a little bit. after 20, 25 years in business, I was getting a little tired and bored and it had an event in my life that was life-changing to some degrees it pushed me towards finding answers to things that were confusing me. I didn’t know where to turn. And I ended up, going to a person who said they were a healer, who had an office across the street from my office. I didn’t really know what a healer was, but I thought I would take a chance and see if I could get some questions answered. My brother passed when he was 37 and it was very shocking, and I wanted some answers.

So I went to this healer not knowing what to expect, but, after some initial, sessions with this woman, she started to channel information. A wide variety of subjects I was skeptical at first. I really didn’t know what to make of it. but as time went on, I saw that the information I was getting was accurate and turned out to be very helpful.

So I continued on this path while I was finishing up my work career. After a year or two of working with this woman she channeled information saying it was time for me to sell my business. That was a bit of a shock. I hadn’t planned to do that, although I wasn’t happy with what I was doing, so I took a little time to make that adjustment, but I ended up what I did. I sold the business, not knowing what was ahead of me just waited to see what would happen.

And it wasn’t too long after that, that I was encouraged to write my first book, which was Conscious Capitalism. that also was a bit of a shock because I hadn’t planned to write a book and draw. I didn’t know what to write about, but things came to me. The book was published in 1998, about that time or maybe a little before then the woman I was working with was no longer going to continue with her practice. And she suggested that I go see someone that to learn about channeling.

Again, like most of my story, I didn’t really know what to make of that. I hadn’t thought about doing that, but her advice had been so good. The information I was getting had been so accurate that I decided all right, I’ll give it a shot and see what happens.

Johnny Burke: What kind of healer was this woman, and at what point did you start to actually think, “Hey, maybe this isn’t just all hokey and this might actually be real information?

David Schwerin: She was an energy healer. She was a Barbara Brennan healer. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Barbara printing, but she has a healing school. She had graduated from there. And she had opened her channel and was able to bring through information.

I can remember that added credibility to what I was receiving was that I had some physical problems I was able to get information about how to heal them, how to correct them. It wasn’t something that happened immediately but if I worked at what they said, it turned out to be very helpful. This was almost 30 years ago. I don’t remember all of them in detail, but there was a lot of good evidence that was provided to me that lent credibility to what I was hearing and learning.

Johnny Burke: That is important because when people hear accounts of channeling and connecting with spirit, spirit guides and other mystical experiences, they’re often very skeptical and they ask, “how do we know this is not just our imagination?” It seems like you had some validation very much in the way, a real medium can validate certain things that only that person, the sitter or would know.

David Schwerin: That’s correct. This continued for the next 30 years, getting more and more validation through various things I was asked to do or that, situations that came up. So it’s been very clear to me.

Johnny Burke: Tell us some more about the spirit guides. You’ve written three books so far, right? ” Know Your Soul: Bring Your, Joy To Life” was apparently inspired by your spirit guides. Can you tell us how that happened?

David Schwerin: The woman that I was working with to learn channeling has worked with Archangel Michael for a long time, and because I have worked with this woman for now 24 years. I’ve gotten to know her spirit guides pretty well- including Archangel Michael. That about eight years ago, maybe it was. Archangel Michael offered was offering a course, a channeled course, on deepening your connection to your soul. And that interested me and so I signed up for the course. it’s not really a course, but a program.

Johnny Burke: Who was offering this course?

David Schwerin: Archangel Michael, it was channeled through the woman I was working with, but it was Archangel Michael, who was teaching the course.

Johnny Burke: Wow. That’s very interesting, okay.

David Schwerin: He started offering this course and I decided I would take it. So for the last, seven or eight years, I’ve been doing that and, I think it started weekly, and then it moved to a monthly session and he would help us in various ways energetically connecting to our soul and give us various experiences, that would help open us up and make us more receptive.

And then about three or four years ago, he asked the woman, whose name is Diana and one is Chen- she’s my co-author , asked her and me to write a book about the soul after I had studied with him. So that was the impetus really was his encouragement to write a book about the soul. He wrote a foreword for the book, and he helped us with information to put in the book. So that’s how the book started and where a lot of the information, not all of it, but a lot of it came from.

Johnny Burke: Your experience with Archangel, Michael, which is a pretty heavy experience from what it sounds like, was it a clairaudient experience? What was the transmission like? What did it feel like? I know people are going to be asking :how did you know what was actually him?

David Schwerin: Okay. Well, he doesn’t have a voice, so he has to have somebody channel the information.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

David Schwerin: The way, you know something is happening. He’ll tell you, ” I’m going to increase the energy in your third chakra, or increase the energy and, make the connection to your soul much deeper.” and you can feel that increase in energy is dramatic. It’s not just a questionable thing. Often, when you receive energy from Michael, you can’t sleep that night. It’s so strong. It just continues, that’s the validation -now can I swear who’s sending the energy? No, I can’t, but I don’t really need to, I’ve done this long enough. I’ve had conversations with him- channel conversations, personal conversations. I’ve had some, things that I needed his help with, and he’s always willing to help and he’s become one of my guides. So, I have a healing session with them almost once a month. It’s as real for me, as it is talking to you.

Johnny Burke: Wow. Now, because of these experiences, before they started happening, did you consider yourself more of an intuitive person or not really, and has that changed if at all?

David Schwerin: I don’t consider myself psychic to any great degree. I don’t know what level my intuition is, to be honest with you, I have still have work to do to open up some of my psychic centers, unlike Diana, who is the woman who does the channeling, hers are wide open and she is very psychic.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that anyone that has the desire to open up said channels to connect with spirit, connect with spirit guides and ascended masters. do you think anyone can do that or do they need some kind of innate ability?

David Schwerin: We all have that ability. It’s something we have to develop and like any skill, you have to work on it., it doesn’t happen overnight., I’ve also been channeling, Hermes. Hermes is an ascended master and he’s one of my guides. I channel him. I do that almost every day.

Johnny Burke: I’ve had several people come on recently that claimed a channel Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda. What are your thoughts on that?

David Schwerin: You can channel anyone. I’ve channeled, aliens. I channeled my guides. I’ve channeled, ascended masters. Angels and archangels. So anything is possible.

Johnny Burke: So what’s the difference between channeling and being a sitter in a mediumship session? Have you done a mediumship session at all?

David Schwerin: I have.I haven’t done it for a while. Right after my brother passed, I went to a medium to connect with him. but since 1998, I have been having monthly sessions with my guides and higher self so I don’t feel like I need a medium anymore. I get whatever I want.

Johnny Burke: To those of us non-experiencers – myself included, is there a similarity between channeling and mediumship session or are the lines of distinction sometime sometimes blurred?

David Schwerin: There’s obviously there’s a connection, you’re bringing information in from spirit. People have different ways of connecting with spirit depending on what senses you have opened and what your psychic ability is, your you’re moving one direction or another. Neither is wrong or bad. It’s just we’re all different.

Johnny Burke: You’ve had quite a few spiritual experiences over the past 24 years. Can you tell us more about those?

David Schwerin: the question is where to start.

Johnny Burke: there’s no right or wrong way to do this. I think a lot of us like to hear the experiences, because there are those, in the intuitive community that believe a lot of these experiences are all connected.

David Schwerin: Well, the one thing that might stand out for some people is, I guess, 11, 12 years ago. In one of my sessions with my spirit guides, the very beginning of the session I was told, you’re going to have some experience that’s a little bit different. That is you’re going to go through a reincarnation in the same body, also called reincarnation in the same lifetime. I didn’t know what it was. It wasn’t expecting to hear that., but I have built up such confidence in what I’m getting that I said, all right, that’s my next step, I guess.

What that really is- we all come into a body, and we all have a purpose, a task that our soul would like us to accomplish in this lifetime. After you’ve fulfilled that task, the soul has a choice. Do you want to continue the incarnation, or do you want to start it over again? Do you want to bring the personality back and have another incarnation in a different venue? different focus? So in this case, my soul decided that, I should continue in this lifetime. The only thing is that my task would be somewhat different than it had been. I had completed what was being asked of me as far as tasks was concerned. So I completed some things I hadn’t completed everything. And so they thought the idea was I should stay around and complete these other projects.

It’s a fairly lengthy process that reincarnation, it can last for a year or more, maybe a few years. I don’t think it’s ever less than a year. We’re all energy. That’s all we are is energy. The physical body is energy, but it’s condensed so it looks like a solid and real, or physical. So the reincarnation is to take the energy body and reconfigure it. Your physical body doesn’t have to change. It’s your energy that is changed. And we all have what’s Michael calls a line of purpose. All of this is in my book in more detail, and I’ll be able to give you. The Know Your Soul book has a fairly lengthy description of this whole process.

Your energy system, which is sort of like the hanger on which you exist, like a clothes hanger has to be dissolved and a new one re re-established. This is the process that I went through and it’s lengthy, I got a, description of what was going to be happening with this process, every session they would say, oh, that next step is such and such, and here’s what will happen and here’s how it will all effect you.

Johnny Burke: With this experience, you’re saying you had reincarnation in the same body, so it’s not like you had a near-death experience and you went into what Dr. Michael Newton used to call a life in-between lives. This is while you were still alive, correct? All right. So it was a transformative process, but it wasn’t like it was done in one day. It just happened over a-

David Schwerin: A year and a half, two years.

Johnny Burke: All right. Now, speaking of reincarnation, do you have past life memories?

David Schwerin: I often asked my guides if I have a past life connection. X Y or Z, because these are people in my life that I’m curious about, want to know whether I have some past connection or whether it’s a new thing and, whether there’s any karma between me and this other person that needs to be worked out. So I asked my guides often who w whether X, Y, or Z, and I have had a past life. With no hesitation, I’m given what I need to know. I’m told number one, whether we have any karmic stuff that we have to clean up and I’m told what our relationship has been.

So I guess there has been at least a couple of dozen people in my life where I have found that I have a past life connection, and it rings true. Once I know that I say, “oh, that’s why I’m doing this or that, or the other thing”, “this is why we’re reacting as we’re reacting. It’s only given to you if it’s going to help you. First of all, you have to ask. And second of all, if it’s something that is not then it won’t be told.

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard that, and it does make sense. So just to clarify; you were only given information by your guides- about past lives in this case, if it’s going to help you, if you don’t need it, there’s no point in even bringing that up or bringing that forth, is that correct? Okay. Very interesting. Since you’ve had some experience and some exposure to this, did you have a glimpse of that in between, that life in between lives or that space in between incarnations where apparently there’s a council of elders, sometimes a life review, and you get to pick your parents and pick a body – did you see any of that or not necessarily?

David Schwerin: No, I really can’t say that I did It wasn’t necessary. I believe all that- I’ve had enough experience, to know that we have past lives and there is an in-between period, then you do pick your parents and all that stuff. I know that’s accurate, but I haven’t experienced it per se.

Johnny Burke: just by connecting with spirit and the channeling experiences. The whole cycle- that death- reincarnation- life in-between lives and the new life. That sounds to me like a no-brainer. I right?

David Schwerin: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

David Schwerin: If people are interested there’s a lot of good material out there.

Johnny Burke: There really is. I had an email today from a past guest speaker. It’s a couple, they have experience with a lot of the ascended masters. Apparently, they got a transmission from Nikola Tesla. These days the Tesla CEO is in the news so much, I thought that was interesting. I was tempted to think, I don’t really know. I can’t verify any of this, but the more and more I hear about it, I start to think, maybe that is real, but you can see why a lot of us are skeptical. Like, how do we really know that’s really Tesla?

David Schwerin: Believe me, I started out as skeptical as anyone. It’s only through actual experiences that you’ve gained the confidence to know that it’s real.

Johnny Burke: Good point. So the experiences, what are the practical things you’ve learned and what, even as non-experiencers, what can we glean from all this?

David Schwerin: Well, my journey or my soul’s journey really has been to work in China, and I’ve been guided every step of the way. My work is basically to introduce some ideas to China and my books were published in China. Whenever I go to China before I leave to go, I think, God, I don’t know how these things are all going to fit together and how am I going to meet him or her, or how I’m going to solve this problem, or what kind of problems will occur and everything goes off with clockwork.

You just know that there are beings out there who are making arrangements. Advanced people, so to speak who out there taking care of everything. I have been told that Archangel, Michael goes with me to just to make sure that everything goes satisfactory. So, that’s one of the practical aspects of this whole thing is that I’ve been guided to do something of meaning. For instance, I introduced through my book and my visits there- I’ve been there nine times now, socially responsible business concepts, now called ESG or corporate social responsibility. I had the opportunity to speak to leaders of the communist party about it, and I didn’t know what to expect.

And they embraced it. They put it in their bookstore, they plastered my book and face on the largest bus line in China. It was amazing. The book was a best seller in China. So this doesn’t happen by accident. Nothing happens by accident, but this is a concrete example of how things that seem incomprehensible get done, not by me, but by those who have a lot more power in overview.

Johnny Burke: Nothing happens by accident and there are no coincidences, right? Can we assume that all of us are guided? I’ve heard countless number of times that we all have spirit guides from day one and they’re supposedly guiding us, even though we can’t see them or feel them. You believe that?

David Schwerin: Oh, absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Yes.

David Schwerin: I didn’t believe it initially. It’s only through a lot of experiences and a lot of time. It became clear to me.

Johnny Burke: Your journey, I believe started with a visit to an energy healer. The reason I bring that up is that I’m hearing that as an entry point to the intuitive world, the unseen world, whatever you want to call it by many people, Reiki healers, different types of energy healers. We’ve interviewed quite a few on the show. Do you think that as a practical entry point for someone that wants to explore this further, as someone who’s listening right now, perhaps is saying, ” I want to hang out with Archangel Michael, and I want my spirit guides to guide me. I want to know that they are there.” Do you think that’s a good place to start?

David Schwerin: It’s certainly one good place. It was not the only one, but it’s certainly a good place.

Johnny Burke: Okay, so what are some other suggestions or entry points for those of us that want to explore this a little bit further?

David Schwerin: Well, the first thing I would say is, number one, you have to really want to do this. You have free will -we all have free will. The spirit world recognizes that and doesn’t interfere. If you don’t express the interest, the sincere interest in this sort of thing, you won’t get the connections that you might like.

So that’s the starting place then, how you actually, navigate this? It’s different for everybody. healers are one way you can go and there are different courses that will help open you up and, make the connections. Your guides are waiting for you. They’re anxious to see you. Because you have free will you have to make the first step. You have to say, this is something I really want- not superficially. But something that really feels strong about it and that you want to do it. And a way will be found. There’s a lot of different ways, probably as many ways as there are people.

Johnny Burke: Wow. That’s a lot of different ways then. With your experiences, it’s obviously changed how you’ve view spirituality. What about religion, your views prior to this, and afterwards, has that changed at all or not really?

David Schwerin: I’m sure it’s changed to some degree, but not dramatically. Although my parents were very religious, I was not drawn in that direction. I guess because I found that religions tend to separate people. They tend to focus on” my religion is better than your religion type of thing.” That turned me off. Spirituality is about connecting and about we’re all connected in all one. And then no one is better than anybody else. That was more in keeping with the way I felt and thought,

Johnny Burke: Yeah.

David Schwerin: That was just reinforced over the years with my experiences.

Johnny Burke: Your website is conscious thinking.com.

David Schwerin: Correct.

Johnny Burke: And that has a lot of your work

David Schwerin: It’s focused more on, my work in China and business. there is somewhat spirituality, but when you’re working in China, you have to be careful because the authorities are always looking over your shoulder. So I always focused on practical stuff and kept the spiritual aspects to my private life.

Johnny Burke: I can’t really blame you for that. So it seems like your world, your experience, your website for that matter is probably a good magnet for people that are firmly in the business world but want to explore spirituality. The breadth of your work spans quite a bit of ground from Conscious Globalism, Capitalism and now your latest book, Know Your Soul, Bring Your Joy To Life. So, what we can take away from this, that, a) we’re all connected- which I hear quite a bit, and b) our guides are there for all of us and they’re waiting.

David Schwerin: Yep. Absolutely true.

Johnny Burke: All right, David, thanks so much for joining us today. Your website will be in the notes and the notes and the transcript as well. Anything else you want to tell our listeners?

David Schwerin: I would just say the “know your soul, bring joy to your life “is something that anybody is interested in this area find at least interesting. If not even more than that. So it’s very short book. It’s got a lot of good information in it. People who gravitate towards it really like it. Columbia University is using it in one of its courses. So it’s gaining some reputation and, I would recommend .

Johnny Burke: Excellent. And that is obviously prominently featured on your website? Correct.

David Schwerin: On the website and you can get it at Amazon or any other bookstore.

#71 Patty Lennon: Make Space For Magic

May 28, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Spiritual Development

#brainscience, #divinelove, #energyhealer, #lawofattraction, #makespaceformagic, #manifestation, #pattylennon, #reiki, #shamanichealing, #thereceivingschool

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Patty Lennon. She is a certified coach author of “Make Space For Magic” and founder of “The Receiving School. Today, we will be talking about how she blends brain science and metaphysics to help fellow humans manifest their dreams. Patty, welcome to the show.

Patty Lennon: Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: Very interesting background. you have a master’s in psychology and spent time as a corporate banker. How did that morph into the current path you’re on now?

Patty Lennon: Well, I left college. I had intended to go into public law. doing public defender work with an intention of going up and becoming a politician. In my final year of college, I worked in the public defender’s office and my love affair with our justice system broke my heart. When I started to understand the way it actually operated. I realized it wasn’t a place that I could participate in. So I left college without a plan and it was a terrible job market. So I got a temp job at a bank, and while I was there trying to figure out who I was going to be, I grew into a career, and I was there for 15 years.

So I kind of fell into something that I loved. but towards the end of that career, I started to really want more meaning in what I was doing, which led me to start to mentor in a more focused way some of the team and the people that worked around me. While I was doing that, I realized there was a lot going on in their minds that was affecting their performance and their ability to succeed. And I wanted to understand it better. So I started for a master’s in psychology while I was at the bank and the bank was kind enough to pay for it. The banking industry started to implode, and I had already decided that that was what I wanted to do full time. And so when the banking industry stopped really paying for that kind of work in-house, I went out on my own. Coaching was just becoming a thing back then.

So I got a coaching certification and through that journey, I felt like I was finally sort of following the path that I think the divine wanted for me. I just got into much more spiritual teachings and learning about manifestation. As I stepped into that world, there was a lot that just didn’t jive with what I knew to be true from a brain science standpoint. A lot of what I was learning in the manifestation world, although it was helpful, it was missing things. It wasn’t really built for all people. It was built for one type of person who is tended to be a more privileged person. really felt then that it was important for me to start focusing on how to translate techniques in the spiritual world that I was learning so that more people could use them.

Johnny Burke: Very interesting path, indeed. You mentioned brain science and I’m pretty sure that your intuitive gifts, you didn’t really discover them until your thirties, right? 34 35?

Patty Lennon: Yes. That was pretty wild. So there I was a type a banker and then I I left banking, but still with that type ‘A’ personality in place. But as I was working through my coaching training, I was exposed to people who had a lot more, what I would call that Woo- woo bent. And the more time I spent around them, the more I open to these ideas of the other side of the veil and how we communicate.

I was out in a retreat in the desert with some of the coaches I was learning with. And all of a sudden, I just started to know things and It just came out of the blue. I didn’t have this history where, oh, yes. I used to be able to see dead people when I was young, but people criticize me, so I stopped doing it. That became really important to me that people understand that, this idea that we have about how gifts work are really limited to a few, and that there really is an opportunity for all of us to have access to these heightened senses, these other sensory experiences of the universe and combining the brain science.

So understanding what was happening in the brain makes it easier for someone to hear this information or see this information, what needs to happen in someone’s real-life to open up to these gifts. That became a big focus of mine about three or four years into my journey with these gifts. I asked my guides once, “why did I not have access to these gifts? Why would you just open them up at 35?” And they told me that was a choice you made, you wanted to know fundamentally what it felt like to live in the world without that because that knowledge would be necessary for you to be able to teach others who feel the same way, how to transition into their day.

Johnny Burke: Now that what you just said seems to indicate that was a choice you made in between incarnations- before you actually came into this world. Is that correct or is that off base?

Patty Lennon: That’s correct.

Johnny Burke: Do you suppose a lot of people that are in the corporate world do struggle with that grind and think, “well, what about the spiritual side? Is that something I should learn about?” Or is that not necessarily true?

Patty Lennon: Most people I know in the corporate space or in an institutionalized space., whether it’s Academia or even the nonprofit sector, as much as they do good in the world. I do see that a lot of people have an ache inside of them. And I think they express it if you’re not what I call woo or “woo- curious”. So like, woo- curious is kind of like, “Hmm, that looks interesting, like maybe they get a tarot reading once in a while kind of thing, but they’re not really there.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that you studied with shamanic practitioners also. What prompted you to study with them in the first place? ,

Patty Lennon: part of, it was just an evolution, what I was learning. Some of the teachers that I was learning through like through the Hicks team, Esther Hicks, and what she does with the law of attraction and how she channels. What she and Jerry Hicks did is a very robust, very authentic experience. But there are others out there that were teaching the felt like they were teaching to pop culture. And I started to crave learning that felt a little more grounded. And the more I reached for that, it was really teachers that came up through their gifts, and came up through their teaching through a lineage.

At first, I worked with someone who was teaching Reiki and Reiki work then kind of opened me up to more of these indigenous cultures and the gifts that they bring to Western culture now. So things that just had that deep history, felt more real to me. Even though I’m away from that type ‘A’ personality, I’m still very pragmatic and I want to know the roots of something. Another part was that I found out that I had fractured my spine, when I was a child and it was never known the fracture was there, and the way the doctors describe it, it was a ticking time bomb. I found myself drawn into the shamanic healing world to help with that because Western medicine could only go so far. And so part of it was just doing my own healing work.

Johnny Burke: the Reiki, seems to be like a non-threatening, introduction to energy healing. It’s almost like going to a massage therapist, but from there you connected the dots and say Reiki, has its roots in shamanism, which is thousands of years old. so how important is the energy healing part? how does that inform your work?

Patty Lennon: Oh, that’s such a good question. I think how it informs my work is that why? I believe I am the way I am, why I chose the life I did and why I’ve come to work in the way that I’ve come is because of. my purpose is to help others understand how much they’re loved by the divine .To understand that the playing field is fair and that, a lot of where we experience disparity or unfairness going back to my justice days is because we have a lot of wounds that we acquired through being human. In order to, make that space for someone to feel the divine love that’s available to them, or to talk to the other side of the veil requires being able to heal some things that aren’t wounds on the skin’ They are wounds in the energetic body, wounds in the psyche. A piece of it I can help them with, and when I can’t, I like to know where they can go next to get that healing.

Johnny Burke: We have brain science, manifestation, and metaphysics. What is the brain science behind manifestation? And then how is that different from blending brain science with metaphysics?

Patty Lennon: Excellent question. So the brain science behind manifestation is understanding that manifestation. in its essence, is to have a desire and to have that desire met in a way that doesn’t involve a simple human effort. Meaning,you can desire something and know you just don’t have the ability to make it happen just exclusively on your own. And then yet miracles happen every day. Right? And so manifestation is the arrival of something in the material world that happens on the energetic level, more than it happens on the human effort. So anytime we have a desire, that desire begins to be met by the universe, by the divine, if it’s for our highest good.

So when we have a desire and we ask for it simply by knowing we desire it, the universe of the divine starts to make that manifest. But if it doesn’t actually cross over the door from non-reality from energy into our reality, it is because we’re holding the door closed, and where we hold that door closed is in our mind, our mind controls that energy field.

And if it doesn’t feel safe to receive, it will not allow the manifestations. Okay. And so what that means is we need to make sure our brain is operating in a place where it feels safe and loved. And that’s where brain science comes in. What gets us into a place of fear and the amygdala, which is the center of the fear brain. That’s what generates all those fear thoughts, and always feels like it’s fighting off saber tooth tigers. You need to understand how to reprogram it and to have an open, receptive field. So that’s where that connection is.

Johnny Burke: The question about the brain science behind manifestation is that it sounds similar to blending brain science with metaphysics. You mentioned divine love earlier; when did you discover that? And, did that come first, or was that discovered along the way?

Patty Lennon: My youngest memory is that I want it to be a missionary from when I was little and the reason was I was raised Irish Catholic, so missionary work was really the only context I had when I was small, the idea that there were people out in the world that didn’t understand that God loved them, broke my heart. All I wanted to do was make sure that they knew that. So that piece of it has been with me. From the very beginning, when I even wanted to go into public defender work, it was because of the idea that there are people in our system that aren’t taking care of the same way, others are felt horrible to me.

That was the reason why I wanted to go the public defender route rather than the district attorney route. Even in banking, I would always try and make sure that everyone understood how to get a proper footing inside the bank. Like how do you get yourself up to higher levels if that’s what you want, how do you get promoted? I always came at it from understanding, Like here’s how to make the playing field fair for you. And I don’t think I was as conscious of the divine love in that part of my life, because it was my twenties and I was partying and I was focused on succeeding and drinking and doing all that.

Johnny Burke: like everybody else at that age and even beyond that.

Patty Lennon: Then when I did step into this world, I realized always what was holding people back is the misunderstanding that they were unsafe. .

Johnny Burke: So how does all this figure in the metaphysical world or the quantum realm.

Patty Lennon: Well, the quantum realm– all the team that we have right outside, beyond the field that we’re used to playing in this 3d, sometimes people think it’s 4 D out, beyond that there’s this entire team that we can work with and interact with. There are universal forces. But if your mind feels the only way can be safe is what it controls and what it figures out. And this is what happens when we’re traumatized at young ages where we are left, feeling unsafe at different points because we don’t receive the full safety and security ever. Every single human does not receive all the safety and support they need from the older humans around them.

We start to develop misunderstandings. We attach our relationship with the divine or the universe with the relationship of the humans that we’re supposed to take care of us. So relying on them at some point was unsafe, relying on the quantum field, interacting with things that are outside of your human control feels unsafe. So how you blend these two is, you start to watch the thoughts. You do the work to open up the mind to being supported. Some of the magic flows in, some of the manifestations flow in, but then you get blocked again Then now it’s time to go back to my mind, to go back to the amygdala, and then it’s just this constant massaging and moving and interacting.

but once you start to really have an inherent faith in this divine love or this universal love, that’s when you can trust the team. And that’s when you can hear the subtle language that they speak to you with. But when the amygdala is super noisy, it’s very hard to hear the language that the other side of the veil people, spirit team are talking to you.

Johnny Burke: if I understand this, you’re making allusions to spirit guides, angels, those type of things beyond the veil. that part of the brain that you just mentioned, that’s what you meant when you said the brain hijacks our intuitive gifts and keeps us from getting the help from our spirit friends. It’s a very interesting approach. I’ve never heard that before, but I think it, could be very helpful. So let’s talk about make space for magic and there’s also the receiving school, but I think it seems to me that to discuss make space for magic would be appropriate to discuss first

Patty Lennon: Yes, absolutely.

Johnny Burke: All right.

Patty Lennon: From a concept standpoint, the book Make Space For Magic, I developed it originally with a goal of just telling my story of going from this type ‘A’ person to now having access to regular communication with the other side of the veil, both for myself and on behalf of my clients. I wanted people to see the dips in my journey. That they involved drinking a lot when I was in my twenties, that they involved making disappointing choices, that they involved me questioning my ability to parent a kid. There are a lot of things that happen in people’s day-to-day lives that I think make them feel not special enough to have gifts. That if you’re someone that has gifts, you sort of float through life, you are always in love, in a loving, compassionate relationship with others, and it’s not the case.

The original goal of the book was just to tell the story. But the more I taught it from stages and more, I told the stories. I saw the people really had a craving for how do I make space for this magic to come in? How do I do it in my mind? But also what are the functional things I can do in my day-to-day life that actually allow me to interact with the other side of the veil, in a different way so that things are coming easier so I can rest more. So I feel like less of a failure just because I’m not perfect. And that’s essentially what making space for magic is..

Johnny Burke: it starts to make more sense when we talk about the receiving school, because, we’re talking about spirit guides and angels and our friends beyond the veil. I’ve been told, every single one of us has spirit guides literally from day one, everybody. So is the receiving school a manual for showing us how to take it in, how to receive love from our spirit guide friends?

Patty Lennon: Yes. And it’s an experiential program in that it gives you ways to interact with your life to start to notice where your resistance is because what happens is people know, ” I’m not good at receiving”. If you’re not good at receiving even compliments or help from a friend, I guarantee you the exact same block is why you can’t receive communication from the other side of the veil. What is happening in the brain to cause that block is the same. So you can be working in any part of your life to lower your resistance and open up to receiving and affect all the areas.

The receiving school is different than a course you would take where it’s telling you how to do things. And it actually just shows you how to interact with your day-to-day life so that it reveals your blocks to you. You’re not doing worksheets to try and find the block. You’re actually just going to go about your regular day and do this one thing differently. And all of a sudden that one little thing each week reveals a huge block. And then you get the pieces of the puzzle on how to release the blocks. At the beginning of the program, we’re focused almost exclusively on the material world, letting in money, love, and support. Then as we get towards the end of the program, where there’s more opportunity for you to see those blocks and release them in very tangible ways, that’s when we work on opening up to receiving communication.

Johnny Burke: Your work has a lot to do with blending traditional psychology and like to use the word metaphysical rather than spiritual because metaphysical has to do with, a way of understanding things. Whereas spiritual is more of an actual practice And I’ve heard this many, many times before where the word spiritual tends to be overused and the brand is actually watered down. If you go on to iTunes spiritual podcasts, a lot of them are just celebrities giving advice, which doesn’t have a whole lot to do with spirituality, does it? So can we assume then that what you’re doing is basically a blend of psychology and the metaphysical, or is that not quite a good enough description?

Patty Lennon: No, I think that’s completely accurate. Metaphysics leave space for you to have an opinion that the source;the universe is either neutral or benevolent. Now I personally believe it’s benevolent. But there’s a lot of people who that doesn’t match with what they know to be true in the world. Right. And so what I teach can be used, whether you believe the divine is benevolent or neutral.

Johnny Burke: It’s a very interesting point, but it does leave room for that opinion. So while we’re speaking about the divine your path, your discovery of your intuition. How has that colored, or shaped your beliefs and religion? Has it changed, or is it pretty much the same as it’s always been?

Patty Lennon: In some ways it’s, released me from a lot of guilt, like a feeling like you have to do certain practices to be good inside the scope of your relationship to God, source, whatever word you want to use. So, because I communicate with the other side, so fluidly, I know there are lots of ways to be in that relationship. I also know that the divine source wants nothing other than an intimate relationship with us. It wants our truth, whatever that is, as ugly or as angry, or as rage-filled or as beautiful, or as hopeful as it is, it wants simply intimacy, honesty. that is the part that shifted my relationship to religion or spirituality the most. Although I was raised, even though I was Irish Catholic, most of the people that influenced me to believe that God was good.

There was a lot of guilt in the way I was raised. And I know a lot of people were raised with that guilt and the communication from the other side, makes sense of all the little nuanced guilt. Sometimes I might feel critical of myself if I’m not meditating because I know a good practitioner or whatever meditates. then they’ll just talk to me and say, “no, go for a walk. You don’t need more time in your head. Your head’s not where you need to be right now. You don’t need to be working on releasing your thoughts. Just go spend time with nature. Appreciate something that has been created out of nothingness.” all of that is considered sacred When we bring love to it.

Johnny Burke: When you say all the divine really wants is our truth. No matter how beautiful or ugly it is. It reminds me of what I was told recently was that’s how the divine learns from us. Does that make sense? heard that a few times. I thought, wow, the divine is going to learn from us? when we addressed that ache that you mentioned earlier, I think that has a lot to do with what really happens when we die. Who was God? What is God? Why are we here? What’s our purpose?

Meanwhile, when we have this well-paying job, you’re making ridiculous amounts of money. You’re partying. you’ve got really cool friends and nice cars, but that’s something that’s missing. You probably feel pretty lucky that you found this path.

Patty Lennon: I feel blessed by it every single day. Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: How can the average person, going to work every day and taking care of the family and so on, how do they get there? What’s some practical advice – what’s the first step they take?

Patty Lennon: the very first baby step that I recommend anyone takes. Is when you get up in the morning, make the first interaction be between you and you. so often when people get up, they’re either turning over to their partner, responding to a child, or a pet or picking up their device, or going through their to-do list for the day. All of these things involve other people’s agendas for their life. And that’s generally our biggest block to having this point of connection. So if the first thing you do when you get up in the morning, is just breathe and follow the breath to the center of your body and out to the center of your body. I used to ask people to do this for 10 minutes. I’ve now gotten down to just three deep breaths. Three deep breaths is where I can get everyone to meet me as the commitment that I feel. 99% of the people will make. This is sort of the kind of experiential stuff we do in receiving school.

The first thing you get up, that takes 30 seconds, but it also brings all this awareness to your right. First thing in the morning, which is the richest time to get information. . And if you want a big gigantic step to do that will really shift things is to do what I call, receive everything. If you do any manifestation learning, they’ll always say, make sure you receive compliments, receive any gifts that people give you receive the good stuff that’s coming, but receive the negative stuff, receive the difficult stuff. Like if you have debt receive that truth.

so many people think if they receive it, meaning they accept it, that they’re saying I’m going to hold onto it, but that’s not what happens when you receive it. You stop being in this resisting relationship with it. And that lack of resistance starts to flow miracles in quicker than anything else.

Johnny Burke: The receiving part, goes back to the receiving school, We need to be receivers, right? It’s like catching a pass. You have to jump up and go get it sometimes. Right?

Patty Lennon: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Forgive me for my sports analogies. Now we get into the fun stuff. The myths and mistruths that are taught in the spiritual and personal development worlds. I’m sure a lot of us really want to hear about what they are.

Patty Lennon: Yeah. Well, the biggest one is that you manifest, you bring good stuff into your life by staying positive That there’s always, this need to be like visualizing and seeing the good stuff and transmuting everything instantly into positivity. that’s really toxic. That is the biggest mistake that’s taught. Every single human, every single day experiences, something that causes a negative emotion, I mean, short of you being in a room meditating all day long. Most likely you’re going to have some small engagement or big engagement. That’s going to get you angry. It’s going to bring you down. And if it’s on the bigger side, it’s going to be pretty heavy. And if you listen to that talk out there that you have to be positive, what happens is you’re actually going to just shove it down deep inside your body, and you’re using a tremendous amount of resistance to doing it.

You’re also messing with your mind because you’re basically telling yourself it’s not safe to be fully you, so that’s the biggest one. And the answer is, let yourself feel your true emotions. You cannot hold onto an emotional reaction for longer than 45 seconds to a minute. It’s impossible. The physiological response to emotion does not last longer than that. The reason it ends up feeling like it’s lasting for days and weeks is because,one you’re trying to resist it, and then when you’re allowing it to come up, you’re feeding thoughts into it. So if you feed thoughts into an emotional reaction, it will then start a second emotional reaction, a third, a fourth. If you push it down, your brain is going to spend all its time, trying to get you to work at it.

Johnny Burke: So in other words, denial is pointless.

Patty Lennon: Right. and on top of it, you can be feeling really bad if it’s legitimate. If someone was an idiot, cut you off, be angry about that for a minute, two minutes, but if you’re still thinking about it like three days for now, now you’re messing with yourself and then, then you do need to lean into that stay positive kind of thing. Then maybe you were really traumatized by it. Maybe you were just in a car accident the week before, right? Well then you give yourself a couple of days. ’cause you’re still processing that trauma, just because you’re processing a difficult emotion, you’re not blocking good stuff from coming in because you’re in non-resistance.

So the divine does not need you to be happy to give you the good stuff. And almost always when you’re in your low points is when your spirit team is jumping in and wanting to help so bad. So if you keep pretending you’re fine, you’re blocking their help. That’s the biggest mistruth.

Johnny Burke: That’s a great point.

Patty Lennon: Yeah, and then the other one is that if what you desire hasn’t arrived, whether it’s material or communication from the other side of the veil, This belief that you’re not doing something good enough. You’re not visualizing enough. You’re not vision boarding well enough. You’re not acting” as if” enough -completely untrue. The divine is omnipotent. It does not need a vision board to figure out that you would like to pay off your debt, that you would like to go on a vacation, right? The minute you have a desire, if that desire being met is for your highest good, it is starting to be met. Vision boards, visualization, acting” as if” work wonderfully, if you’re highly developed a right brain. But if you’re a highly developed left brain, that will never work for you because your brain will keep calling bullshit. So it does work. But if someone doesn’t understand that they’re a highly right-brained person, and that’s why it works for them, they will teach it like it’s the gospel. And they will conclude that the reason you don’t have your new cars, is because you’re not visualizing properly, but that’s not

Johnny Burke: Because quite simply, that might not be your highest and best use, does that make sense?

Patty Lennon: right. Or you may be in so much resistance to it that it’s not able to come through, but the resistance isn’t fixed bay vision board for most people, resistance is fixed by the stuff I talked about already, which is honoring your true feelings. Allow all the gifts in- bad and good. Honor what’s true for you. Connect to yourself in the morning, in the day.

Johnny Burke: Also in your work, you mentioned the vibration of the planet is opening all humans up to increased spiritual metaphysical connection. Is that the same thing as the Ascension or is it different?

Patty Lennon: it’s a symptom of the Ascension. 40 years ago the vibration on this planet was such that not everyone could communicate with the other side of the veil easily. The vibration we were all operating in, made it very hard for us to get to a vibrational level that would be a match for the communication. As we are ascending as a people, , that look like they don’t even know that we are all connected, right?, that fervor that we’re all feeling. That’s actually natural in the process of evolution. The lowest part of the evolution body is going to resist it And fight it. A rising tide lifts all boats. So the vibration is rising on the planet because we are evolving as a people. And because we have that higher vibration, is why we all have access to the other side of the veil

Johnny Burke: So in other words, the veil is actually becoming thinner.

Patty Lennon: I know that’s how a lot of people describe it. I would say our perception that there is a veil is getting thinner. The veil is the vibrational difference, It’s just that border between the human earth-based vibration and then the vibration of the upper dimensions. Because ours is getting higher, doesn’t look so thick anymore

Johnny Burke: Can we just say that more access to the veil than there was 30 or 40 years ago?

Patty Lennon: Yeah. The perception of the membrane is just different.

Johnny Burke: Now that we know that, and many people have been talking about this in the past few years, what are some simple ways for us to connect with spirit guides, angels, and our loved ones that, are not here anymore?

Patty Lennon: The best way, because no matter where you are in that, woo woo- curious- I don’t believe at all spectrum, is signs. I think signs are the easiest way. And in order to get signs, asking for them with specificity really helps. If you feel very doubtful, if you really question, is anyone there for me? Make your sign that you want to see answer a particular question, whether it’s” are you their grandpa ?”Or, ” spirit guide, should I take this job?” if I should, show me this sign and make it really outrageous, you know, a dancing Shamrock with a purple hat, right.? Something that you just don’t think you’ve ever seen before.

if you’re not in that level of doubt, then having something that’s a regular sign that a loved one, or your spirit guide can give you when you need assurance is great, and having a personal connection to it can really help. So for instance, my father, we are Irish and he was very attached to his Irish heritage. So when I see shamrocks, real shamrocks, I know he’s there and my mother, her favorite flower was daisies , so when I see daisies pop up, in an unexpected way, you kind of get this whoosh of warmth inside of you when you see it- that’s your proof that it’s a sign, versus just another daisy. That to me is the easiest way. Even if you’re not out of your mind yet, like, your mental game? Your mind can see signs, it can take them in.

Johnny Burke: I think that’s. Practical advice to see the signs, you’re convinced that, that there, that’s obvious I think people do have to be open to it. They have to be receivers. If they don’t believe in anything, then it’s probably not going to happen.

Patty Lennon: I actually no, I’ve turned complete cynics around because of this practice.

Johnny Burke: Really? That’s encouraging. I like that. So, tell us what can we expect from the space for magic podcast?

Patty Lennon: My goal in The Space For Magic podcast is to share both my journey as I’m learning. So I’m live teaching my own personal journey. I try and stay in the moment with the energy that’s happening on the planet like right now. So for instance, at the moment we’re recording this, there is a very intense, chaotic, energetic storm happening. It’s very hard for people who have been able to rely on their gifts to hear and see clearly. I’m talking about the tools they can use, the alternative tools that you can use when things are really unclear. Also, guests who have developed techniques, or have had unique journeys and opening up to space for magic, so that listeners get a chance to learn from other people’s journey on how they navigate this being one foot in the real world, and yet also knowing that there are other foot is truly the soul that they came with.

Johnny Burke: that sounds really, really cool. I’m going to make sure I put a link to that along with, your other information in the show notes and the transcript, Patty, thanks so much for joining us today. Speaking of which, how can our listeners find out more about you online?

Patty Lennon: Thank you for having me Johnny, the best place to go is www. Patty lennon.com/ makespaceformagic . You’ll see where to order the book, whatever free offerings we have out right now all be there on the page.

#65 Reni Arora: Energy Healing and The Law if Attraction

April 16, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Energy Healing

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Johnny Burke-: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Renu Arora. She is an energy healer and author who works to release emotional baggage trapped within the subconscious mind. Today, we’re going to be talking about how she went from thinking energy healing was “woo-woo” nonsense to actually writing the book, The Energy Healing Bible. Renu, welcome to the program.

Renu Arora: Thank you so much for having me.

Johnny Burke-: Woo-hoo nonsense you say?

Renu Arora: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke-: Well, not so long ago I thought all this stuff was nonsense as well. And here we are. So,

Renu Arora: Here we are.

Johnny Burke-: what prompted you to follow the path to become an energy healer?

Renu Arora: It wasn’t direct, it was kind of a long twisty windy road, before I got into this, I was a dietician. I had a bachelor’s in biochemistry- I was on a trajectory to be a doctor and all that stuff like real science, and as I said, I didn’t believe in any of this stuff. Despite my I’m calling it woo-woo and, disbelieving, I always had an open mind. So I encountered various people in succession who gradually were able to show me different things that I kind of went, oh, how did that work?

Johnny Burke-: it’s kind of interesting though. So you went from being from the science background to all the way at the other end of the spectrum then.

Renu Arora: Oh, yeah.

Johnny Burke-: Many scientists don’t believe in any of this, because it’s not tangible. It reminds me of a lot of these people in this space that are attempting to bridge the gap between science and spirituality and energy healing, since we are all energy anyway- at least that’s what I’m told. That has a lot to do with that. Doesn’t it?

Renu Arora: Yeah. Well, it’s interesting. You said it’s not tangible, and the thing is ,I was shown muscle testing, which is very much tangible. Because everything’s energy, everything has a frequency, everything, energy vibrates. Everything that’s made of atoms have electrons flying around them and those electrons are, are vibrating and everything has a different shape. So electrons vibrate a little differently. So literally everything has a different frequency or a different energy signature, or however you want to frame it.

As we are being sent energy, we don’t actually respond to its physical appearance or presence. So I’ll use a food, for example, like when a person is reacting to a food, like if they have a food intolerance, it’s not like my body I would have to take in an apple and, and the immune system would see the physical form of apple and then say, “oh, this is bad for me.” It actually responds to the energy of the apple long before, like it recognizes apple frequency. If your body likes something, if it resonates with something, if it says, “yes, that’s good for me, or I know what that is. I know how to process it. I know how to deal with it.” It will quite literally make your body stronger.

Muscle testing is done through sort of opposing strength. If you bring in something that body likes, their arm will become stick solid. But if you bring in something that it doesn’t like, suddenly I would become weak as a kitten, like I couldn’t hold my arm up. And that’s wild- that is as tangible as it gets. Just bringing something into your energy field will change you.

Johnny Burke-: Your previous work of being a dietician; what was the bridge between that and you developing your own healing modality? I believe it’s called ART.

Renu Arora: A R T. So this is where everything sort of comes to a head after I was convinced this stuff works. . So you can actually use muscle testing to talk to your subconscious You can use it to ask yes. And no questions because the truth, yes, will make you strong. No will make you weak. So by using yes and no questions and lists of emotions, you could actually ask the subconscious yes and no. You have a problem with this food? Is there emotion underneath here? Did something happen? Finding emotional trauma, that directly links to the problem you’re hanging on to.

I had a client who had a whole whack load of food intolerance. He probably has 40 that his body was reacting to. You can only integrate so many frequencies into the body at one time. You can’t do 40. And so I said to him, “Hey, well, I just learned this new technique. Would you be interested in, in trying it out? ” He was like, “Yeah, sure, why not? “So I pull out my notes from this, this practitioner and I start just reading off. Okay. I pulled out a vial of dairy and I asked, this guy’s subconscious,” is there a root, like an emotional root cause to your problem with dairy? “And I almost fell off my chair when his muscles went, yes, seriously. ‘”Okay, let’s find out what happened.” . So I literally had a sheet full of emotions on it. And it literally pointed me to two emotions sitting on my page, anger and resentment. Let’s find when this happened. We got age 25, who was involved? That was the year he was getting married. And he was vegetarian. His fiancé’s family was non vege. So he had to tell his mother he was going to start eating meat.

So they had a massive argument over that one. So there was still lingering anger and resentment hurt even though he says, ” you know, that was ages ago. I’ve pretty much forgot.” when I said anger was like an argument with your mom at the age of 25, he knew exactly what I was talking about. So he hadn’t forgotten it. His subconscious was pushing that to the surface. It was ready. It wanted to let it go. Well, imagine the subconscious is going, “Hey you, what does that burger make you think of? “Possibly the argument with your mom over this food?

Johnny Burke-: It sounds like a sense memory exercise, almost that actors use where they tried to remember what an orange peel feels like or something like that. Certain things remind them of certain situations.

Renu Arora: I’m not sure about what actors do, but this is his subconscious saying, there’s something wrong about meat. He didn’t connect it to the argument with his mom, the, the emotional trauma that had to go.

Johnny Burke: What would you call your healing modality, if someone were to stop you at a convention or in an elevator and say, what do you do? How would you describe ART?

Renu Arora: It’s the accelerated release technique. I think of it as two things put together, number one, it’s like hypnosis, but you’re awake for it. So you get right to the right, to the subconscious, right. To the root cause and figure out what it’s hanging on to. the other part of it, it’s like counseling, but on speed.

So think about typical counselors. Let’s say you come in with anxiety, they’ll say, well, tell me about your childhood and let’s talk about this and let’s talk about that and hopefully stumble upon the connection that the emotion, the trauma, whatever it is that they’re hanging on to. That can take months.

Johnny Burke-: So this is quicker,

Renu Arora: Yeah. so basically, I get to go, “Hey subconscious, I see you got anxiety. You want to tell me where it started? And it goes, “oh, you mean over here when we were eight years old, and this is what happened.?” So you get to skip all the fact-finding and, and the hunting and the searching, and you go right to the root cause.

Now we get to the fun stuff, like the additional techniques that I’ve developed. I started to interact with other healers and learn from them and find out what they do. And, and every single time I found a new healer, a new modality, new anything I would take from it. I would find the gem that I could pull into my modality.

Johnny Burke-: Have any of these modalities influenced you; past life regression, shamanism ?

Renu Arora: Oh, all of the stuff. shamanism.

Johnny Burke-: When I think of energy healers, I think of shamans and every time I asked the question, okay, you’re a healer. What does that have to do with shamanism? It’s usually a lot because that’s one of the ancient traditions, right?

Renu Arora: So in the very beginning, it was more like counseling, the stuff that you could rationalize. Then you pull in things like the Akashic Records and past lives. we are impacted by our past lives. I have had clients who, their current problems right now are, are results of past life trauma that hadn’t been healed. So I remember a very simple one she was particularly intuitive, and she would get visions and ideas so she could see things. She had wrist pain and as we were doing some work on her, she had this vision of herself as a black slave in Africa, or something like that with her arms and her risks in chains.

Johnny Burke-: Was this during of your sessions or is this one of her memories?

Renu Arora: It was during the session, a memory popped in. It was like, okay, we’re getting that. There’s something past life here. And she went, “oh my God, I know what it is”. That doesn’t happen all the time. But in her case, we realized we had to heal the trauma of her being in chains. Usually when I find that there’s some past life thing going on, I’ll ask the subconscious, do we need to know what it is? Is there a lifetime that this client has access to or not? And, and there will be times it goes. Yeah, this client knows what it is. And so that’s when I’ll ask them, “hey, do you have a recurring dream? A recurring daydream where you kind of know it’s you, but it’s not you?” if I’ve been prompted by the subconscious to say yes, this person knows, they’ll say, yeah, there’s this image, this experience that just comes to the surface now and again, and I can’t seem to shake it. So that’s past life trauma, that’s still unresolved. It’s like a piece of your soul is stuck in that alternate experience. And it is trying to break through to this lifetime in order to be healed. So past life, for sure. One of wildest things that’s become part of what I’ve been doing is dealing with spirit guides. So guardian angels and spirit guides, spirit guides are laugh and a half, man. They have so much influence on us. I had no idea.

Johnny Burke-: When you came from being a dietician to this world of energy healing, because you do come from a scientific background, it’s good for a lot of us that are listening are starting to grasp the concept that energy can actually be measured. The commonplace belief from the scientific community is that there’s not a consensus that it can be measured, but that’s probably changing. So did you actually expect to encounter things like spirit guides and guardian angels?

Renu Arora: No way. My modality developed precisely because I don’t have super intuitive gifts. It’s been a process of picking things up like, there’s all these puzzle pieces out there and I’m just picking one up one at a time and going, oh, here’s where it belongs. I am not clairvoyant. I’m not clairaudient. I’m not clairsentient, I just kind of have a gut feeling. Early on I actually was partnering with another healer who was extraordinarily intuitive. So I’d be, we’d be building part of the modality together. She always knew the next piece. Because she was so intuitive, she could just ask and get the answer and she didn’t need to have a process. She didn’t need a flow chart to follow. So I’ve had to learn everything and figure out everything.

Johnny Burke: Are you talking about the different modalities, like past life regression and all the other stuff that that is within the metaphysical realm? Or are you talking about more-

Renu Arora: More learning a process for everything. Like learning. How do you deal with a past life? If a spirit guide popped in, what is the process to deal with that? A spirit guide typically wants one of a number of things, and this is weird for me. They either are apologizing to you for something ,or asking for forgiveness, or they themselves need some healing or support or they’ve got a message for you.

Johnny Burke-: The spirit guide needs healing? this is a kind of stuff that our people want to hear about. It’s not weird.

Renu Arora: That I know- wild.

Johnny Burke-: What we try to deal with here on the show, Closer To Venus is, a lot of it has to do with the invisible world. So, when I hear about this kind of modality, if someone’s got some kind of a trauma or some kind of an issue, I guess one way it will manifest itself as in like a food intolerance or something like that. But why would someone come to you as opposed to seeing a past life regression therapist, or a shaman or an Akashic records reader? Or is there an overlap where a lot of the different approaches will get them to where they need to go.

Renu Arora: The reason is I have looked at every modality, I’ve taken out a piece of everything. So I know how to incorporate the Akashic records. I don’t need a medium when I know what questions to ask and connect with guides or whomever directly. I’ve turned everything into a flowchart process.

Johnny Burke-:

Right, but how can you not be intuitive if during our sessions, as you’ve just described that spirit guides and guardian angels just show up?

Renu Arora: Because I have intuitive clients. It’s been wild. I’ve had many clients over the years or many helpers over the years who with their clairvoyance, been able to fill in bits of the puzzle. So I’ll give you an example. Spirit guides are crazy, fun, crazy fun.

So I have one lady who she knows her entire family tree. All the, grandparents, the great-grandparents the aunts and uncles, and all the feuds and all that. The trauma, all the drama from generations. One of the sessions I had with her, I was working on something and it popped in, we identify that it’s great-grandma, and that she wants forgiveness. So I asked my client,” are you able to forgive grandma?” And she looks at me, she’s like ‘no”, Your great grandmother, what do you mean you can’t forgive her? You didn’t even meet her. I didn’t say that out loud. And she says” no”. She died I think 10 days after her grandfather was born and her grandfather was a piece of work. Not a good man. It just led to all sorts of ramifications, that impacted her whole family, like the generations that came after it. So she was like,” no, I can’t forgive her. I’m so angry at her for leaving Austin.” so the next step, there’s a spirit guide in here and this spirit guide needs some healing. And it turned out to be the grandfather, the piece of work. We can do that. Send him the energy he needs to get over whatever. And then I’m like, okay, well, I need to ask her again about that because, that’s all I’m getting in the process. So I said, “are you able to forgive your great-grandmother now?” And she’s like, “Well, of course, Renu, I mean, she died. ” And then it clicks. It was granddad who was angry. Granddad’s the one who was abandoned. She was just feeling her grandfather’s energy. It was one of her spirit guides.

So very often when we’re feeling emotions and it could be anything, it could be feeling sad, feeling, depressed, whatever. A portion of it, or if not all ,can be our spirit guides, because there’s some sort of repeated behavior or like they’re triggered by something going on in our life because they’ve been through the same thing. So they’re actually experiencing the emotions we are living it vicariously.

Johnny Burke-: How do we find out if one of our spirit guides has some need for healing? I’ve never heard that before.

Renu Arora: They all do they pretty much all do. There’s a difference between spirit guides and guardian angels. All right. Guardian angels? They’re angelic. They’re divine. They were never on earth.

Johnny Burke-: They’ve never incarnated. Right?

Renu Arora: They’ve never incarnated. Angels have never incarnated, but your spirit guides, they are like your ancestors were once human. Here’s how it kind of works. You’ve heard of the idea of having, your soul tribe,

Johnny Burke-: Yeah, soul family?

Renu Arora: Soul family. Right. So you’ll go from lifetime to lifetime and in this lifetime, you take different roles each lifetime. I think it has more like a classroom, everybody is here to learn. Everybody’s here for the evolution of their soul. Right? What else are you going to get out of being on earth? You’re born. You’re going to die. Only thing that you are going to take with you is the learning for your soul as it evolves, but you cannot learn in a vacuum. You have to do it in the context of other people. I can’t learn what forgiveness is if nobody ever wronged me. I can’t learn what guilt is if I never hurt anybody else.

And that’s why we have that soul tribe, a soul group. So I think of it more like this as it’s a group project, like we’re it, we’re all in one class and we’ve got one group project. We’re all learning together. And if there’s somebody who hasn’t learned their lesson, somebody can hold everybody back. Once you die, you don’t suddenly become evolved. You’re just a spirit without a body. You go into the ether, the afterlife with all your baggage, it didn’t go anywhere.

Johnny Burke-: That’s not what I was hoping for.

Renu Arora: Because you’re going to reincarnate again. Right? So when you die, you take a pit stop as a spirit guide for the other people in your soul tribe. So if your mom passes away, she doesn’t reincarnate immediately. She hangs around and becomes one of your guides. And then she’ll come back, and then when you pass away, you’re going to be the guide to your kid or grandchild or whatever. So you’re, you’re, you’re constantly learning and working and growing together. This is the thing. So if they’ve got a lot of emotional baggage, they’re going to be trying to learn their lessons through you. It’s actually super easy to heal a spirit guide.

Johnny Burke-: Really?

Renu Arora: At least in my world.

Johnny Burke-: Is it easier to reach a spirit guide in your world as opposed to someone going to a medium or a shaman or anyone of the different modalities?

Renu Arora: You don’t actually have to know who the guide is. There’s this one woman knows all our guides. So this is where I learned a lot of stuff. So I’m working through it and, and I’m getting there’s a bunch of spirit guides who have an issue. They want an apology and, and she’s like, “well, is it so-and-so “and I’m like, “yeah, it is.” And she’s like, “from me?” no, not from you. Oh my God. This person wants an apology from a different spirit guide. So they are literally like, in spirit form still pissed at each other.

Johnny Burke-: That’s really not good.

Renu Arora: I know it’s terrible. It’s not good, it’s terrible if you don’t know what to do about it.

So in the session, connected with all the guides and said, okay these guys wanted an apology, if you’re not able to apologize, it means you need a little bit of healing because you’re not over something. okay, here you get the healing you need. And now you’re able to apologize to them. Oh, fantastic. You’re all happy now! It’s a matter of a few minutes because you just ask the guardian angels, do all the healing. All I do is connect with the angels and say, all right, angels, can you take this one?

Johnny Burke-: I would think you’re probably going to need some help because it just seems like way too much work.

Renu Arora: Oh, I don’t heal anybody. The angels do it I don’t have any claim to being able to see a person’s energy or whatever. When I’m told there’s a belief that needs to clear. I’m basically saying, “Hey angels, can you clear that belief?”

Johnny Burke-: okay.

Renu Arora: And I can tell when it’s done and if it’s not done, it’s following the process. It’s just a back and forth with a bunch of commands and requests.

Johnny Burke-: What does your work have to do with the Law of Attraction? Because I know that you, you do some work with that.

Renu Arora: The law of attraction is huge!

Johnny Burke-: You probably at one point thought that was woo- woo nonsense, didn’t you?

Renu Arora: 1000%, percent.

Johnny Burke-: I did too, for what it’s worth. I think a lot of people would like to know what it is and-

Renu Arora: Okay,

Johnny Burke-: How you work with it.

Renu Arora: The law of attraction in the subconscious work hand in hand. So if there was a life event that stuck in your subconscious and it needs to be resolved, there are key emotions that are associated with that event. So if your subconscious wants you to release that particular event, what it will do is it will take those emotions and broadcast them to the universe and the universal says, you want to feel those emotions? So now you are experiencing something called a pattern. So going from a bad boyfriend to another bad boyfriend, or from one job to the next to the next, like, I’m avoiding the politics in this job. Oh my God. There’s politics here. And there’s politics here. We’ve all had those repeated experiences like Deja Vu . That’s the law of attraction, but even closer to the mark is when we have those life events, they also create belief systems. Like, I’m not good enough . So something happens and you believe “I’m not good enough”. The universe will put you in again, situation after situation, after situation where you feel like you’re not good enough.

So you’ve got emotional baggage that you’ve got trapped in your subconscious, asking the universe to send you more of the same. You ever done an affirmation? Yeah.? Okay. So you know, the idea behind an affirmation, is you find something what you want to believe, but you don’t really believe it, right. Right? You’re trying to convince yourself that that’s now the truth.

Johnny Burke-: That could be a danger itself. Because if you don’t believe it and you’re trying to trick your mind into believing it, like” I am beautiful. I am handsome. I am rich. I have millions of friends and, and I’m going to get invited to every cool party in Palm Beach this winter”, but you know, that part’s never going to happen.

Renu Arora: And the reason it’s never going to happen, and here’s why, what I do is more powerful than affirmation. One lady I was working with, she’s an actress, right. And she couldn’t imagine herself having her dream home. Your imagination tells you what you can bring to life and what you can’t. If that image isn’t there, it means that energy is not there. You cannot attract it. We essentially found that event from her past . We tracked it back to an event when she was just starting out and she was going to go to an audition, and she had a bad argument with somebody right before the audition. She went to the audition, and she blew it. That feeling of I’m going to sabotage it. I can’t have what I want as much as I want it. That belief was trapped into her psyche into her subconscious. As soon as we unhooked that event, that feeling that she was going to sabotage it, that she couldn’t get what she wanted, all of a sudden, she’s like, “oh my God, I see it. I see it. I can make the money to get my dream home. “And within two weeks she booked multiple audible books. So all of a sudden, she had money, like really lucrative contracts.

Johnny Burke-: hmm.

Renu Arora: That’s the law of attraction. Because we had to put in a belief that said she could have what she wanted. So first thing before we could visualize it was actually having her find something that says, yes, I will like my dream home coming to me , or something along those lines. We had to remove the sabotage, completely clear that out of her energy.

Johnny Burke-: Like a hypnotherapist would?

Renu Arora: Like hypnosis, you’re awake for it, but the clearing is done in a different way. So we had to get rid of the self-sabotage that was underneath her inability to feel this new affirmation is true.

Johnny Burke-: The Energy Healing Bible, very ambitious title. Tell us a little bit about it and what our listeners can expect from it.

Renu Arora: Okay. So the energy healing Bible is basically my journey as an energy healer. What we’re all my experiences. How did I find out about the various different energy types? It was actually before I learned about spirit guides, the other interferences that walk in, decisions, beliefs, emotions, shadow energies there’s all sorts of stuff. How did I discover that? Who were the people in my life who managed to open my eyes to something new? So it’s my journey. And then how do you take all those pieces and use them to heal yourself and use them to heal others. So that you can actually see how you get from A to B, and then B to C and work it all the way to healing your own problems.

Johnny Burke-: I think it’s really cool for all of us to discover different modalities. How would you compare your modality to the traditional shaman/ energy healer in a nutshell?

Renu Arora: In a nutshell? it includes everybody. It wasn’t a singular divine download, which created the accelerator release technique. It was the dedication to wanting to know everything. I include Reiki is in here, crystals are in here , aromatherapy is in here in here. chakra healings and your Akashic records are in here. Like all of it from every energy healer I could find ,access bars are in here. Timeline therapy is in here. Everything has made its way. And that’s why I am confident, comfortable saying it is the accelerated release technique because it is fast and it’s comprehensive and and it’s so much fun.

Johnny Burke-: We like fast, we like comprehensive, and we like fun. This has been great episode. Thanks so much Renu for coming on to Closer To Venus. How can our listeners find you online?

Renu Arora: Thank you so much for having me, for information on the accelerator lease technique, go to www.acceleratedreleasetechnique.org, or you can find me directly : info@acceleratedreleasetechnique.org

#62 Dorothea Gordon: The Blueprint of Your Life

March 26, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives, Reincarnation

#deltabrainwave, #energyhealer, #lifeafterdeath, #paranormal, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #reincarnation, #shaman, #shamanism, #survivalofconsciousness

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Dorothea Gordon. is a life coach, alternative practitioner and authorof When Life Has Other Plans . Today. We’ll be talking about how paranormal experiences introduced her to physical and mental healing methods that she uses in her practice today. Dorothea, welcome to the program.

Dorothea Gordon: Thank you Johnny for having me.

Johnny Burke: Now you were working as a high school teacher, and at that time you also trained to be an energy healer. What prompted you to learn about that mode?

Dorothea Gordon: I wanted to find a way of healing, where people wouldn’t have to take medication because my father was poisoned basically by too many medicines that they gave him. So I was looking for ways of approaching healing, in a more natural non-invasive regenerative way.

Johnny Burke: And at some point, you also got involved in past life regression How did that happen?

Dorothea Gordon: Oh, that’s a fascinating story and it was very unusual. As a high school teacher, I also took training in handwriting analysis because I found that as a helpful tool to assess my students at the beginning of the school year, what were their strengths or weaknesses? How could I best support them?

And after that, I put an ad in the paper saying I was available for personality assessments for businesses and so on. A young fellow from the University of Victoria, from the west coast of Canada, said that he was doing a program called “is There life before life” and would I want to participate? And I said,” well, what’s involved? “Because I had grown up as a Catholic and there was no life before life. It was only afterlife- have a good life and you’ll be rewarded. So he said he would get me in touch with the lady who regressed people. And all I had to do was get a handwriting sample of the people as they were now, and then get a handwriting sample while they were in a regression.

The way it worked was that those people had their eyes closed. They were blind as bats, some without glasses. And then we asked them, can you please write something whilst you’re in a life, as a poet, or as a sea captain, or as a shepherd or something like that. And the interesting thing was the character described as having in that life showed up in the writing. All of a sudden, the strokes went in a different direction, the size changed and so on. And I could not explain how they would know how to do that because it was something very subconscious and handwriting reflects what’s going on in your brain. So they were on a different wavelength at that time. We did about 50 people, and after that I was just absolutely floored. How can this be? It was such a paradigm shift for me that I never looked back and said there is something very true about this. I’ve seen it in the writing they couldn’t know how to change their writings to fit the character traits.

Johnny Burke: So you were invited to participate in this documentary “is there life before life?” because you are a handwriting analyst. That’s not something that we would really expect because it’s just so out of the box. So during these sessions, the participants were asked to write something during one life, something during another, which was completely different from how they normally write.

Dorothea Gordon: Correct

Johnny Burke: I know my handwriting is terrible. If I was regressed, I doubt I would have the beautiful cursive. style of a poet, but it’s, a very interesting idea. So did that inspire you to do further research into past life regression and, and past lives?

Dorothea Gordon: it did unfortunately, or fortunately I had two babies after that, so I didn’t get around to doing that research anymore because my time was taken up by them, but. I always, had the intention of pursuing that and now maybe I will still get around to it. the fellow who phoned he was a psychology student, and he was very creative. He called in healers and psychics and mediums, and really dealt with the subject from all angles. And I just was the one with handwriting. So that was all important in my life that I had that experience to change old paradigms and get on a new track.

Johnny Burke: You’ve been regressed yourself. Was that shortly after this experience or was it much later?

Dorothea Gordon: Yeah, that was six months later, because I had insisted I not be regressed before, so my work would not be influenced subjectively. I wanted to be, free of all that. And then I was going to go into a regression. So, I went in into two lives. And it was interesting that these stories felt like they had just been sitting under my surface and were very, very important that they could come out. And what happens is when you get regressed, if it’s done properly, they don’t hypnotize you, they mesmerize you. You go into a different brainwave. It’s called the Delta wave where you’re almost not aware of your body. I saw it like a film. And the first, , regression I went into, I was in 16th century, Bavaria Germany, where I’m from, and I was in the town or the city where I went to university it was fascinating to see that city in the 16th century compared to the 20th century while I was there. The cobblestones, the little houses, the way people were dressed. I was a stone mason working on the cathedral that they were building at that time. And I married the love of my life. She died in childbirth, and I never got over it. I climbed up that tower that I was building and jumped off. So I basically killed myself.

Johnny Burke: Do you actually remember jumping off the tower?

Dorothea Gordon: I remember that, but I don’t remember hitting the ground. It felt like my soul was already leaving the body before I hit.

Johnny Burke: You made a really interesting point. I’ve never heard this before, where, when regression is done properly, you’re not hypnotized, you’re mesmerized. What is the difference

Dorothea Gordon: With hypnosis you are told what to do and what to see. Mesmerizing is a more meditative approach, lots of breathing, lots of visualization, where you go down the stairs to access your unconscious mind, where all these Akashic Records are kept.

The second life I went into was the more important one, especially important for this life now, because I found myself as a little girl in Italy, my parents had died in a boating accident. I was with my grandparents who didn’t want me because they were rich people- didn’t want to have children. So they sent me to England to be educated there. And I ended up becoming a governess and was with nobility. I found it interesting nowadays that I love to watch period programs because they seem so familiar to me. I can see myself; I saw myself wearing a dark cap and dark clothes. And so on. I saw my charges, but I didn’t like being in that position -I was already a feisty spirit in that life and I decided to marry, and I married a stone again, Mason, he made masonry bricks and so on, but he was a scoundrel and eventually got murdered.

And another thing where I like to watch murder mysteries that happened in England in a period of a situation, and I had a mentally handicapped child and I died of 44. That life has so many parallels to my life now that I’m almost reliving it. Except this time I went from Germany into to Canada, again, an English-speaking country, a different society, a marriage that didn’t end in death, but in a divorce, a physically handicapped child. And many, many parallels are happening. So for me to have had this experience, that was 40 years ago. I didn’t know that my life was going to develop into that kind of a track. I was really blown away.

Johnny Burke: Was it like to remember a life that you were a man and not a woman.

Dorothea Gordon: It had no difference. I am who I am. I am the soul. I am the spirit. And what kind of body I inhabit doesn’t matter to me.

Johnny Burke: Looking back to these past lives, did that give you any kind of insight into the afterlife? That realm?

Dorothea Gordon: Oh, it was absolutely fascinating because the people we were interviewing had been very skeptical and critical, but while they were in the regression, they were completely relaxed and told us that they went through several insights- that they knew the people then that they know now. That when they left the body, they usually hung around for three days to console the people that had lost them.

And the other important thing was that they said it’s paramount that the grieving relatives let the soul go and not say, oh, why did you leave me? You know, thank you for being in my life. And then we’ll see you in the next life. And so many of them said that, let me go, rather than hanging on. Hold hands, be thankful for having had them and let them go.

Johnny Burke: From these experiences, would imagine that reincarnation is pretty much a no brainer for you based on that. Yeah

Dorothea Gordon: Absolutely, yes.

Johnny Burke: Is there also A decreased fear of death because of these experiences is because you know that we don’t really die. We’re not gone forever -we have to come back.

Dorothea Gordon: Yes, we are energy and energy cannot be destroyed. It shows up in different ways. I have seen situations where especially later with my metaphysical experiences, where people remembered lives in other places when they were given pictures. Or when they were in Scotland, for instance, sit in front of one of those castles, that they said, I know exactly where this path goes in, that path goes , yeah, it was a lot of information that we got out of those regressions.

Johnny Burke: There’s been lot of study in that area. From the regression experiences, do you find that, your intuitive gifts or capabilities are somewhat heightened?

Dorothea Gordon: Oh, absolutely. What happened after those regressions? put me on a new path where I, decided to go more deeply into energy healing because the lady I was doing the regressions with was also an energy healer. There are no coincidences in life you get put into the company of whoever is most beneficial to you.

Johnny Burke: Good point. That goes back to what you mentioned earlier, when you were regressed, you noticed people that you know now. Did you recognize people in your past lives that are actually in your current life?

Dorothea Gordon: my mother.

Johnny Burke: that’s incredible. I’m jealous.

Dorothea Gordon: also my ex-husband.

Johnny Burke: so who were they in your past life?

Dorothea Gordon: my husband was a trapper in Northern Canada, and I was an indigenous woman we lived together and had children together with my mother, she was, the husband I had in that life in England.

Johnny Burke: You kind of switched places then in that case.

Dorothea Gordon: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: These discussions of past lives and reincarnation eventually bring up the question about the life between life stage, where let’s say, your husband and one life agrees to become your mother and another life. Do you remember any of that, or is that something that was not yet explored?

Dorothea Gordon: no, I don’t. I haven’t explored that personally, but I know of people who were in regression, who were saying, oh, I find myself in a very bright and beautiful place in there. Lots of, other souls around me, and we’re all sitting down and we’re planning my new incarnation and I say, to someone, “okay. Are you going to be, my father who’s mean and nasty so I can learn from that? Are you going to be my mother who is, supportive, but a wimp? Are you going to be my sister who’s mean and betrays me, or you’re going to be my husband?” When I watch movies, I always look at them like that. Like somebody has given out the roles, you play this, you play that. But in reality, they’re somebody completely different. And who you are is who your spirit is.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like, casting a play or casting a movie.

Dorothea Gordon: Absolutely. Yeah. You script your own life. It was told that you come into your life with a blueprint, like a house where the size is given, the rooms that given, the stories are given, and they are not moveable. But you can put in the colors, the carpets, the furniture, and so on. You have a say in that.

Johnny Burke: So the events are not moveable.

Dorothea Gordon: Exactly. Yeah, you have planned them, and we often pray for people that they may be saved from this or that, but that’s something that in my humble opinion have scripted into their life because it’s an event with which they can grow. And that’s the purpose of our souls being here to grow.

Johnny Burke: Which I’ve heard many times. We should talk about your metaphysical experiences. How do you discern between paranormal and metaphysical or are they basically lumped into one realm?

Dorothea Gordon: they’re in one realm that means that energies or spirits come to us either to save us from something or to guide us on to another plane. I’ve had quite a number of those things. I look at them as normal now in my life. But when they first started happening, it came as a major surprise such as when my mother died in 1985. I was already in Canada. My sisters were still over there and they phoned me and said” after mum died, all the electrical equipment is sparking now in the sparks coming out of the plugs. What can we do?” And I was told by my energy teacher for us girls to get on the phone and assure my mother’s spirit that we were going to be okay. Once we did that, everything was fine. It was completely normal as before.

There was another interesting thing that one of the girls phoned me and said that she had taken her watch off on the 11th and looked at it a few days later and it was on the 13th. And when she put it on, she then looked at it again and it had jumped between the 16th and the 17th. And I had asked my mother to give me a sign that when she passes over to the other side that I know that she’s okay. But what happened was that she had moved an inanimate object in such a way, that the date was a prediction that on the 13th, she already had moved into the 17th.

I had another experience where I was having a panic attack in a lake and thought that I was going to drown and was kicking and up comes this boat and the guy says”, oh, do you want me to pull you out?” and I said, “yeah, please” and so he pulled me out, and I stepped out onto the ground. And when I turned around to thank him, he was gone. The boat, the man, everything was gone.

Johnny Burke: So, the boat was gone too?

Dorothea Gordon: The boat was gone. yeah. Those are things that, are unusual and the most amazing recent one was when I had met my husband, who was in a boyfriend and he was dithering around as far as commitment was concerned, and I told him I was going to write him a letter, a goodbye letter. I got a message, there was an event happening that evening, how to speak to the spirits. And I get what I call kick in the bum, which means I have to go and follow that direction. to make a long story short, my father with whom I never had a good relationship. All of a sudden showed up.

I could see him in my mind’s eye. when we were doing the work, we had a glass that said, yes, no, I asked him, ” are you here because of this situation, I’m in where I don’t know what to do?” And the class said, “yes”.” Is this Relationship that I’m about to break up with, is this going to work?” Yes. Should I carry on? Yes. And then the medium comes up and says, “oh, do you have a brother? And I said, no. And then I saw him, and it was my father’s brother also deceased. And I said to him, “are you going to help my partner?” And he said, yes. “And is it going to work out for him as well?”

So anyway, I got the spirit world involved, because it was so important that I get married to that guy. Because he is one of the people who I can talk to, live with, and he understands. It’s just the ideal partner that I wish on everyone. And I was going to throw him away unless the spirit world moved in.

Johnny Burke: They came into the fray at the right moment. Just to clarify these experiences, was it more of a clairaudient reception or clairvoyant, or was the communication mostly through the medium?

Dorothea Gordon: No, I was in there. I saw my father- the medium, had just put us into a meditative state and then we got to go to tables and sit with other people and ask our questions and work with those glasses that were inspired to move.

Johnny Burke: You’ve actually saw them.

Dorothea Gordon: Absolutely. Yeah. My father, when he first showed up was behind me. I said to him, “what do you want here?” and then I saw my uncle – it’s like watching it on a screen. you’re not aware of the other people in the room, but all you see is the people who want to talk to you. Then they disappeared because the other participants in the group also wanted to have a say. It was very, very clear

I have these experiences, not on a regular basis, but eventually they come up when I’m in a difficult situation, that I can see a spirit or I can feel it, but that was the most extreme where two spirits showed up and tried to influence things.

Johnny Burke: So your communication with the spirit world is obviously heightened. When you have these types of experiences, between this world and the other realm, the afterlife,

Dorothea Gordon: I in is yeah. In my case. Yeah. It’s called stepping through the veil,

Johnny Burke: Do you think because of what’s going on where you hear people talking about the medium explosion; the empathic big bang, ascension, and so on. Do you think that the veil for all of us is getting a little bit thinner?

Dorothea Gordon: Absolutely for those people who are willing and ready to expand their consciousness. It’s definitely getting thinner. Many people have a real hunger for this kind of information. And, listen to their hearts and their hearts and souls always say, go and do what helps you and the planet. And because our planet is in such peril, we need to have more empaths that impact others as well. Because since we’re all energy, the energy that we are and that we vibrate, then it goes into our environment. The more beneficial our environment can be, the more beneficial, the waves go out into the universe and into the planet.

I call it the ripple effect.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about your practice. It seems to be that you, combine past life regression with energy field balancing.

Dorothea Gordon: Yes. the energy field is a multilayered envelope around the body, and it’s called the aura. Within that aura is the chakra system. Those are seven spinning vortices that suck energy from our environment. Then there also the meridians, which are the energy pathways where the energy travels. So when those are flowing freely, the person has enough strength to deal with life’s challenges. Often a stress and worry and anxiety and so on. We can get energy body like cause punctures or openings and create an imbalance which can lead to disease. So many people who are in a deceased state have tears or holes sometimes in their energy field.

An energy worker is a conduit, to bring in new energy or to take old blockages out, into reestablish, the flow.

Johnny Burke: Since you bring up energy fields, one of the first things I think of is a shaman, which is a practice that has been around for probably thousands of years, it is what you do related to shamanism or connected to it, or is it something a little bit different?

Dorothea Gordon: we are all working in the energy field. And it’s just a different method how the shaman approaches it, or how I approach it. But basically, we are conduits. We work with our hands, or our chakras, and there is an opening around the third chakra which channels massive energies if you have to. But I just use my hands. They use drums. They use vibrations, they use chanting all different forms of energy to bring in what the fraction or the person whose soul has fractured what they need to bring them back together. I, myself took part in shamanistic healing and it was amazing. just a very healing and I felt very put together afterwards.

Johnny Burke: How is the practice of the shaman somewhat similar to the past life regression in terms of healing,

Dorothea Gordon: They also have access as do energy healers if they are so trained to look into past lives and see what kind of problems our bodies nowadays bring in from the past. The people who have a constant backache and the Sharman says, “oh, I can see that it was a Roman sword that punctured you”. Other people have neck and shoulder aches well, chances are that they got hanged somewhere. Also their contacts with other spirits that help them see things or hear things or feel things.

I’m basically a shaman too

Johnny Burke: I wasn’t too far off the mark there. how do you combine this practice with the past life regression with your clients?

Dorothea Gordon: in a way I have, because the clients would come and complain about certain ailments that they had and couldn’t get rid of. I often have what I called angelic beings in my room. I would confer with them, and they would, say. this that’s happening, but it’s coming from another life, explain it to the person. And it was often that I had to be -careful people weren’t always open, but yeah, there is a lot of similarity between past life work .

When you do a regression, not only do you get into the past life, but you also find out a lot more about yourself than you had ever known. You can all of a sudden explain why you’re doing certain things, why you are with certain people, why this is happening to you because you didn’t learn your lesson in the last life or the previous life. It’s like going to school, and you have to write the test again and again and again until you pass it. And then all of a sudden, the situation disappears. The more, you are alert of what’s going on in your life, and where you spend your energy, negative or positive. The more you can get an idea of why you have certain ailments.

What happened was I would work on them, ailments went away. Then they went back in their old environment, which was not very conducive to wellbeing. Three months later, they were back and said, “well, you know, it’s, it’s all back.” So it’s very important that they can recognize that they need to go onto a different paradigm.

Johnny Burke: what else can you tell us about what you’ve learned about your journey, learning about past life regression, learning about energy healing.

Dorothea Gordon: It’s been the most important aspect that ever happened to me. I thought I would plan my life. It would go a regular way. Next thing I know, I’m in Canada and I have to adjust to a new society, but at the same time, I was put into this wonderful, eye-opening path that led me first to past life regressions then to energy healing and to dream building.

I’m a certified Dream Builder coach, where people and help people approach their dreams and visions in a more constructive way and a supportive way. We work with the quantum field. We don’t just say,” I’ll do this and that when that has happened” but we say the quantum field is on our side. It wants us to succeed. If that’s what is for our own benefit. And then what we go and take the necessary steps. So it’s fascinating.

Johnny Burke: Dream builder. I’ve never heard that term before. Where did that come from?

Dorothea Gordon: Dream-building the way I was trained, works with a vision. it’s not therapy where you go into your past and, figure out this, that and the other. you have a dream and you look forward . And that’s the beauty of it. You don’t have to justify why you can’t do it. You just know that this is something that is important your life. I was exposed to that again, not by coincidence. I heard a program that’s was offered by Mary Morrissey , I think it’s called life Institute but I trained with them and was exposed to the approach of coming from your dream rather than going towards it.

When you already know that this dream is what you want, and you act as if it has already happened, then it’s far more empowering because you’re sending that message out to the universe and the universe will give you back what you send out. . So, if you say, “oh, I can’t do this cause I’m too old or too fat, I can’t change careers”, then the universe will give you more of that. But if you say, I know that the universe is on my side and I will take the necessary steps, amazing things happen.

Johnny Burke: So, how do we know then, when we are actually receiving messages from the universe and it’s not just our imagination?

Dorothea Gordon: Some people hear a little voice that says something and nags them, other people see pictures, others come in contact with, information. That is exactly the answer to what they had been for. In my case, I just get what I call the kick in the butt, where my intuition, that part of me that knows far more than I do in my head, gives me the signal. Okay. Act on this. So by, listening to the heart and what it says, because the heart has its own brain. It has a different agenda than what the mind has. The mind often talks us out of things, but the heart does not, and the heart is connected the body. And when I have a situation where I need to get some advice, I say to my body, ‘is this beneficial?” and then when my stomach remains. Quiet calm. I know it is. If he goes, eaaaaaaaaaa! I know this is not a good idea. , stay away from So listening to your body, the body is far wiser than the mind. The mind is just a chatterbox

Johnny Burke: I think that’s very good advice. So for someone who wants to raise their spirituality. And you know, they’re not really interested going to church. What would you recommend? Where do they start and, what are some best practices for that.

Dorothea Gordon: Well, there are lots of sages out there and I believe that knowledge is power. So by acquiring some knowledge, About, spirituality in the non-traditional sense. Non-dogmatic sense. I always suggest that people find out about Eckhart Tolle . He Is my favorite Sage. And he goes all over the world and speaks. There is Dr. Joe Dispenza. He works very much with the universe and its powers and with the power of meditation. There is Gregg Braden. There’s Bruce Lipton. I would suggest that people read first before they buy courses because courses can be overwhelming online, but, books, you can read, you can underline, you can ask questions and so on. So lots and lots of knowledge helps to decide in which direction you want to go.

Louise Hay is one of the women I admire. Then there’s Abraham Hicks. These folks all have a beautiful message, and it depends on what kind of learning style Speaks to you the most. In my book, I’m trying to make it easy for people to understand. And I present my experiences, and at the end I write what kind of a gift I got out of this hardship. It helps people to see or to take their hardships, with a bit more courage rather than fall into the depths of despair.

Johnny Burke: So the book, When Life Has Other Plans, in a nutshell, what can your readers expect to get from that?

Dorothea Gordon: If they’re open to a spiritual approach to life, they can see how the universe guides us and how when we are aware and awake, we can learn from the challenges that life presents to us. And I had many challenges from, as I mentioned before, a handicapped child, a stroke, cancer, accidents, and so on that required a lot of courage. But at the same time, I always knew that there would be a lot of help, that there were angels around me. I call them winged angels and unreal wingless angels because they just carry me. And when, when you believe that that exists, it is something you can live with, that you’re not alone. That there’s always help. You just need to reach out.

Johnny Burke: Winged angels and unwinged angels. How is that related to what many people refer to as spirit guides?

Dorothea Gordon: The unwinged angels or the people who are in this life whom you meet? And they say, “oh, you know, I’ve just heard about this and that’, and it is exactly the answer. Or they come and say, “do you need any help with this, your computer, or with marketing”. And they are all around us. If we are on a certain wavelength – if we are in the ” woe is me” wavelength, they don’t reach us. But if we are encouraged and positive and say, “there is help out there they will come “,’it often does come. And then of course the winged angels are the ones in spirit. Those are the spirit guides. I see mine all the time.

Johnny Burke: With wings?

Dorothea Gordon: No, not with wings, just in white robes. No, they’re just wandering around in white robes and the ones that are in my healing room, they are just light. They just gold there’s gold around. I’ve had one situation where, in Canada here we have many spirits who represent themselves through the indigenous population. I was working with a man and I said, “can you smell it? Smells like cigarettes” and nobody was smoking. And he said, yes. So we asked our teacher and she said, “oh yeah, that’s gray Wolf. He’s put up his Teepee and he’s helping us”. So to her, that was common. To us it was all new. That you could actually smell them. That can happen too but usually I see them as lights or sometimes in white robes.

Johnny Burke: Angels around us. That’s a definitely encouraging.

Dorothea Gordon: Oh, it’s beautiful. They are waiting to be addressed. Help we say, and they’ll come. They won’t interfere unless we ask them.

Johnny Burke: Well good. I think for everyone listening -don’t be afraid to ask because they’re there. Okay. Excellent. Dorothea thanks so much for joining us today. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Dorothea Gordon: go to my website, which is www.dtlc.ca

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