Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Jenny Lea . She is a medium, channeler, artist and co-host of the Witching Hours podcast. Her journey continues today with her transition from evidential medium to channeler. Today, we’ll discuss the different types of energies that come through in her work, and we’ll also get to see her channeling live here on Closer to Venus. Jenny, welcome to the program.
Jenny Lea: Hello. Thank you for having me.
Johnny Burke: So how did you find yourself on this path? How does someone become a medium?
Jenny Lea: Well, I had a lot of different experiences throughout my life, but I didn’t put it all together until about 2018. I was watching an episode of The Dead Files, which was with the medium Amy Allen at the time, In particular episode, she had some suspicions that one of the clients had some abilities. So she tells the client towards the end of the episode that all mediums are empaths, but not all empaths are mediums. And it was like being struck by lightning because all of a sudden all the puzzle pieces of my life just fell into place. And in that instant, I realized that those experiences I had had
was that I was a medium all that time.
Johnny Burke: What were some of those experiences?
Jenny Lea: I remember always feeling like I was not alone even when I was supposed to be alone. in my early twenties, I had a situation where I felt my great-grandmother come into my space and we had a conversation telepathically. so even just from that, you would think that I would’ve figured it out earlier, but I just didn’t. And there were other situations just like that where I would feel the presence of someone that I knew that had passed and, and I could kind of communicate with them, but yeah, it didn’t all click until that moment.
Johnny Burke: That’s usually how it starts. So you watched a show where the woman, I believe it was Amy Allen, she said, all mediums are empaths, but not all empaths are mediums. What I’ve heard is all mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums. So, therefore, can we assume that all psychics are empaths and the other way around or not necessarily?
Jenny Lea: I think everybody has some of these abilities. We’re all very much capable of having any and all of these abilities. It’s just that our culture and societies have conditioned us to think that that’s not something that we should strive for. But I do think that empathic abilities seem to be where it starts for a lot of people, and then you realize that that means other things as well.
Johnny Burke: Now, in your journey, you also talk about creating spirit art. I’ve never heard that before. So, what exactly is that?
Jenny Lea: For me, it is allowing; it’s basically like automatic writing, but I totally am not great. I’m not good at automatic writing. I don’t know why, but I’m already an artist, so I was thinking, well, let’s try and see if I can make art with, you know, energy coming through. So, for me, it’s using my trance channeling abilities to allow energy to enter my body, and they create the artwork using my hands. And many times, because I do this live on Twitch, they’ll also start talking and giving messages while they’re creating the art. Kind of like collective messages for everybody.
Johnny Burke: So the trance channeling is interesting. Is that the same thing as physical mediumship, where an entity literally takes over your body, or is It not quite the same thing?
Jenny Lea: It is, and it isn’t. So with physical mediumship, there’s usually something that is physically happening in the space. Like there might be ectoplasm or they might be moving an object that’s not near them. Or there might be ports where things appear. So that’s usually what physical, mediumship entails.
The channeling or trance mediumship is more like a deeper connection to the energy that’s coming through. That comes through an evidential mediumship. But you’re allowing, you’re kind of stepping aside from your physical body, and then you are allowing that energy to come into your physical body, to use your vocal cords, or in my case, my hands, so that they can create art.
Johnny Burke: So once you discovered that you had these abilities and you said this is back in 2018, what was the next step?
Jenny Lea: I ended up joining a paranormal investigation group that was local to me at the time. There was another medium in that group, so working with her was kind of like the catalyst for me deciding to go into this field and find more resources to study it and learn how to do it.
Johnny Burke: So, the paranormal investigations; I’ve heard different things about that. Do you suppose there’s actually technology today where we can actually see the ectoplasm, or is that not necessarily true?
Jenny Lea: I don’t know. I have not had any experiences with Ectoplasm, because I haven’t experienced it myself. I don’t know how much of it I believe
Johnny Burke: Neither do I,
Jenny Lea: yeah.
Johnny Burke: I have been told that technology does not exist as far as we know, and that’s not my opinion. That’s coming from someone in the parapsychology field who’s very well respected. Speaking of what is true and what isn’t, I saw a psychic here in West Palm, and I couldn’t help but notice when I looked up this guy, I won’t tell you who he is, but this skepticism, of people going onto YouTube trying to debunk his ability and calling this guy as a fraud. I just thought it was very entertaining, but I thought he was pretty much on the mark when he did his readings. What is your opinion of these celebrity psychics that have these big shows, and they just walk around, and they do readings, and they’re almost like entertainers – he almost came off like a standup comic, and he’s really funny, and it was great. But I wanted to get your opinion on that.
Jenny Lea: I think that anything can be turned into a sideshow. You know, like the person probably is a medium, the person probably does have those abilities, but when show business gets their hands on things, they always twist it to what they want it to be anyway. And sometimes the person who has the knowledge or the abilities gets caught in the cross hairs of like, do I do this? Do I not do this? How far do I take it? Do I keep trying to keep it real? But in some respects, when it becomes an entertainment factor, it is out of the person’s hands.
Johnny Burke: I just thought it was interesting that many people I talked to afterward thought it was really entertaining. I went by myself deliberately. I didn’t want to be distracted and I wanted to pay attention. But for some of the things that he did and guessed, he’d have to be almost like a magician or just be lucky at guessing, take your pick. I just thought that was an interesting facet about that, about the whole psychic medium. It’s almost like an explosion because they’re like all over the place
Jenny Lea: Yeah. It is.
Johnny Burke: Do you have any insight into why we’re seeing more of that than we normally would?
Jenny Lea: I think the pandemic had a huge impact on that because people finally had a chance to be with their own selves and their own minds and realize that there were so many distractions in the world, keeping them from perhaps what is there or, or really part of who they are. And it gave people a chance to do some experimenting in these different fields, and I think a lot of people were surprised that they really have something and that they really do have, these skills and abilities.
Johnny Burke: That’s a good point. One thing that this guy brought up, which many other empaths and mediums do, is that, like you just said earlier, we all have these abilities. It’s just that you have to work on them. And in some people, the ability is a little bit closer to the surface than in others.
So you’ve transitioned from a medium to a channeler. Does that mean that the mediumship takes a back seat, or is it still part and parcel of your current work?
Jenny Lea: It’s still all together. At this point when I go to do a reading for someone, I used to ask, may I have a spirit for so and so? And I can’t do that anymore. Now I have to ask, what kind of reading am I giving this person? Because there’s been so many different types of things that come through for different people.
Johnny Burke: So you have to ask for what type, more specific type. Right.? Does that mean you can ask for like a power animal, a spirit guide, an angel?
Jenny Lea: Yeah, at this point, I have lost track of the different types, but yes, it’s been like spirit guides and animals and higher self and, uh, angels and ETs, and it just never ends. It seems like there’s always something new.
Johnny Burke: Being that I just went to see a psychic, and I’m glad I did, that’s the first time I went to a public event where that ability was on display. Can you give us some examples of evidential mediumship and some of your readings?
Jenny Lea: Yes. So, the way that I was taught how to be an evidential medium is that you connect with the sitter, the living person, and then you ask for a spirit for that person. And it’s supposed to be a person who, that they knew in the living who is deceased, usually someone that is a loved one or a friend, family member. And then you collect evidence. You try to get their name, you try to see how they passed. What’s the relationship to the sitter? You know, is it their grandmother? Is it their uncle? And the more information you can get, the more the person knows you’re talking to their loved one on the other side. Then, once you have all that evidence, you ask the spirit for a message. And for me, it usually seems like the message is something that’s important or helpful to the sitter at that time.
Johnny Burke: Okay. Can you give us an example of one of those messages and what the sitter might have recognized either then or perhaps afterward?
Jenny Lea: I do a lot of my medium readings on Twitch. and we just had a really interesting one happen this week. The sitter had an aunt come through that she wasn’t even really familiar with because the aunt had passed when she was a child and the aunt on the other side kept showing me this jewelry, and it was like a little heart. It was like a crystal. And then the sitter’s like, “Well, I don’t know what that is. I don’t have anything like that.” And then I’m like, “Well, she’s just showing it to me. Maybe it’s something you haven’t received yet. “And then all of a sudden, about 30 minutes later, she comes back, and she’s like, I just talked to my mom, and this other aunt had given her a gift, like a Christmas gift was still sitting there for her. So the mom opened it and it was a heart pendant for her Pandora bracelet. I’m like shocked. how could I know that I’m just relaying the information?
Johnny Burke: And more importantly, for those people that are skeptical, which I think you need to be these days, you can’t say you were reading her mind because, at the time, she didn’t know it,
Jenny Lea: No.
Johnny Burke: It’s a really good point. And speaking of reading energy and so forth, if you were to go into a room full of people who were expecting you and knew who you were and knew what your skillset was, would you be able to see dead people if they were around them?
Jenny Lea: No, I prefer not to do that. If I walked around open all the time, seeing everybody’s dead people, I’d probably lose my mind. so no.
Johnny Burke: You can do it. You’re able to do it, but you choose not to?
Jenny Lea: Yes. I would rather experience that specific type of energy only when I ask for it. In many respects, I’m able to turn it on and off like a switch.
Johnny Burke: So if you really wanted to, let’s say you came to our house, right? And you said I’m going to Johnny’s house. I’m open; I’m open for business for the next 45 minutes. Are you able to do that?
Jenny Lea: Yeah, I mean, if I could connect with a person, I can definitely give what I would hope would be an evidential medium reading, which would be the connecting with somebody on the other side for them. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: So the thing I’m getting at, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a psychic, a say psychic medium to be, specific, can walk into a room, a show or whatever and say, I see dead people everywhere because maybe they made that choice. So they’re able to do that?
] Jenny Lea: Yes. And I think some people don’t know how to turn it off because they experience it all the time.
Johnny Burke: I see that you’ve made the transition from medium to a channeler, and it’s not like you shoved off the medium to the side; what was the reason you did that?
Jenny Lea: It was not my choice. It’s just something that happened, and I could tell that something was happening. I was doing my meditations, and I could feel that I was starting to leave my body, and it was freaking me out. I was terrified of it. I didn’t understand what was happening. Then, I took one workshop with a fellow medium on how to do trance medium work, and after that, it just started happening, whether I wanted it to or not. So I just let it happen and, and then ever since then, it’s just continuous. It’s, it’s always happening. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: In your work, you have encountered the Divine Mother and the Great Spirit.
Jenny Lea: Yes.
Johnny Burke: to know who would, Who are they? How and who are they, and how did you discover them?
Jenny Lea: Oh, divine Mother. She came about through a friend of mine who was interested in connecting with what she thought was a past life experience in Lemuria. So she thought it was her mother from Lemuria. She could feel this presence in her life, like throughout her whole present life, and she was wondering what was going on with it.
So I did a channeling, and all of a sudden, this energy came through, and I realized that I knew that energy and other people knew that energy. Then, we started connecting with that entity more and more. And she is basically what she explained to us, that she became an entity when the first mother of her child. That’s when it sparked. And then, over time, she has just enfolded inside of her energy all the things that motherhood means, all the feelings, emotions, thoughts, concepts, and different ideas that we have collected as humans, at least for us- it’s all part of who she is. And she refers to us as her children. She loves us unconditionally. And she’s very clear about being available to anyone at any time. Usually, if you’re feeling distressed or sick or alone.
Johnny Burke: Now, this divine mother that wouldn’t be Mother Mary or Mary Magdalene or any of the other
Jenny Lea: I think she embodies all those things.
Johnny Burke: Really? Okay. And this is not tethered to any religious belief,
Jenny Lea: No. right. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: I noticed you mentioned Lemuria, and for those of us who don’t know what that is or where it is or where it was, as far as your experience, what did you learn from that and how did you discover
[Jenny Lea I don’t know a whole lot about it,, but I know that it’s very similar to what more people know about is Atlantis. That it’s supposed to be a continent that existed, which doesn’t exist any longer, that had a very high level of perhaps humans or, they might have been different kinds of beings. I don’t know if anybody truly knows, but with advanced technology and advanced spiritual work, I believe that people at this time think that Lemuria might have been in the Indian Ocean, but I’m not sure about that.
Johnny Burke: Right. But you’re certain that when energy comes from, let’s say, Lemuria or Atlantis, you don’t really have to question it; you know it is
Jenny: Yeah, if they gave me that information or if I asked and it was an answer they could give. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Okay. All right. That’s interesting. So, again, for the skeptics in all of us, how do you know this information that you get in these channelings or even a mediumship reading is accurate? How do you know it’s not a mischievous spirit who was pushing our buttons? I’ve heard that a lot, too.
Jenny Lea: That’s an excellent question. I have had. devious entities come through trying to tell me that there’s something they’re not. it’s probably my higher self is like yelling at me. No, no, this is fake, false, and not right. So there’s this higher level of knowing I guess, that it’s not what it is, but overall as a medium, you have to trust what you’re getting because if you even start to second guess it, that’s when you get in your own head and you’re just going to lose all the connection with the energy. So, as evidential mediums, we’re taught that you have to trust what you’re getting, even if it’s not making any sense to you or if it’s not making any sense for the sitter either. You have to trust it.
Johnny Burke: Right. But you also mentioned that your higher self is like a safety guard when Something comes through who, basically, is fraudulent, for lack of a better description. I had one medium tell me not too long ago that those kinds of entities do come through, but she’s always able to recognize them, and when she starts asking questions, they start to laugh, and then they disappear. or others will say, “Prove to me you are actually of the light”, and that type of thing. I don’t have the entire glossary, but you get what I’m trying to say. I think that it’s something to be taken seriously if you’re going to be trained and you have to know about safety.
Jenny Lea: Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. There are some mediums out there who don’t want to talk about the dark things or that there’s anything negative, but there is. There’s a balance between the good and the bad, the light and the dark, the positive and the negative. It’s just the nature of the world that we live in, so it’s there.
Johnny Burke: Duality, as many people talk about. Okay. Since we’re talking about the Divine, you also had an experience with Peter the Apostle. .
Jenny Lea: Yeah,
Johnny Burke: How did that happen?
Jenny Lea: I don’t know because I did not grow up in a religious household. So the fact that this even happened was baffling to me. But it was during the spirit arts, the very first Spirit art, that we had an entity come through named Peter, and he worked with us many, many times, making lots of art and giving us lots of messages. And then one time, when I was connected with him, I said, ‘What did you do for a living during your lifetime? “And he said, “apostle”. And I just laughed at him. Because I was like, are you joking? You know, like for real, you know?
I didn’t believe him at first. For probably the next couple of times I worked with him, I just took it as a joke, but then I started to realize that I didn’t think this was a joke. He actually did show me in a meditation his passing and going into the afterlife, and it was absolutely awful but beautiful at the same time. And now I can’t deny it anymore. Like that’s just who he is.
Johnny Burke: So you were actually able to see his passing visually? .
Jenny Lea: It was very traumatic. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: But the entire experience was obviously, very cool though. Sounds like it.
Jenny Lea: Yeah. I mean, the fact that I was connecting with this legendary energy, whether you’re a Christian or not, is amazing.
Johnny Burke: It is, and I think it is good to give credit where credit is due. lots of people have issues with the Bible, with the disinformation and the editing, and so forth. But I’ve also been told there are a lot of really beautiful things in the Bible. So when I hear someone with a story about the apostles, Mother Mary, or Christ for that matter. I will get them to talk about it. Your work does bring you into the realm of past lives every now and then.
Jenny Lea: correct.
Johnny Burke: Right. Have you ever seen examples of life in between lives, in between incarnations, and similar phenomena?
Jenny Lea: I have not experienced that through past-life readings. The thing I experienced during the evidential medium reading is the people—that’s where they are. They’re in the life between the lives. Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Okay. So, in mediumship readings are you able to see visually where they are and what they’re doing? Or is it something different?
Jenny Lea: I get a good sense that it seems to me the best way I can explain it is that these different dimensions are like the layers of an onion. And if we are this layer of the onion, the realm where our loved ones are is right there. It’s just right on top of us. And then the higher you go, there are different things. The angel realm, the higher self area, and whether that’s actually like in a physical layer, I don’t know, you know? But that’s the way, that I visualize it.
For most people’s loved ones, it seems like they’re just hanging out, you know, if it’s heaven, they’re just there hanging out. But sometimes we’ll get loved ones come through who have a job, that they’re doing something, and it usually is like a protector or a guardian or they’re already learning how to be a guide or something, something more specific than just waiting for the next lifetime.
Johnny Burke: So instead of like the FBI, they go to like the Spirit Guide Academy?
Jenny Lea: Yeah, exactly.
Johnny Burke: And you know what? That sounds really outlandish, but I’ve heard that many times they have jobs in that realm. They’re working at something. So, for the most part, for the spirits that come through, would you say that, you know, the majority are in a good state, and they’re happy? Or is it just all over the place?
Jenny Lea: The majority of them are really just fine. They’re good. They’re just hanging out. but then there’s the opposite of those working on something higher. There are the ones who are still working on themselves, and they’re still going through a process of trying to figure out what they did wrong in their lifetime and how they can make it right. I think even there in that space has to do with free will. Are they willing to work on it? Are they willing to admit that they did these different things that they maybe shouldn’t have done?, so yeah, it’s a gamut. It really is.
Johnny Burke: It’s a gamut, but from what you’ve seen and experienced, the majority are probably in a good place.
Jenny Lea: They’re perfectly fine. And they’re all together, and they’re really just right there. I mean, they’re not that far from us. It’s not like they’re this different place that we can’t access. They’re really just there. Right there.
Johnny Burke: I went to the show about a week ago, and this guy told us that “this room is full of dead people. “
Jenny Lea: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: “All of your loved ones are here”. People would kind of laugh nervously or otherwise, but maybe he’s not that far off the mark then.
Jenny Lea: No, I think it freaks people out to think that grandma is standing around, like watching what they’re doing all the time, you know? Because there’s some things you don’t want grandma to see, you know?
Johnny Burke: Maybe they don’t follow you the
Jenny Lea: Shower.Yeah, exactly. But they are still part of your life, and they definitely know what’s going on in your life.
For sure.
Johnny Burke: Can we assume that one of the gifts of being a medium or an empath, however you want to look at it, is discovering that our physical bodies do obviously perish? I don’t like to use the term die, but that’s what they do. But our essence, whatever you want to call it, keeps going. Consciousness survives. In other words.
Jenny Lea: Yeah. That’s the exact word that I like to use at this point in time. I’m always learning, too, but I really think it is consciousness attached to energy, and that’s really what we are. We’re not people having spiritual experiences.
We’re spirits having human experiences.
Johnny Burke: All right. Which I’ve heard probably about a hundred times.
Jenny Lea: Yeah. It’s a wonderful thing.
Johnny Burke: Yeah. It sure is. Speaking of experiences, you’ve encountered star beings, you’ve had experience with all types of entities. What have you learned about them and what do you suppose they want from us or for us?
Jenny Lea: All the ones that we’ve talked to, they’re loving and they’re kind, and they’re helpful and they really want to see us get our stuff together here on this planet, and they want to see us succeed. And then some of them have connections with people that are here, as humans now that weren’t human all the time. I’ve never had an instance where there was anything negative at this point.
Johnny Burke: one Medium, told me this a while back. I’ll give you her name because she was really good. Her name is Siri Berndsen. She came from the Forever Family Foundation where she was certified along with other mediums. And one of the things she told me was and this has been confirmed several times, is that of the people that do go through that process, only about 15% are actually certified. I guess people need to know that. But would you say that more damage is done by mediums that maybe have good intentions but are not developed as opposed to some that are just outright frauds?
Jenny Lea: Oh yeah. I mean there’s definitely frauds out there. There always has been, and I do think, every single person, no matter how much training you have or who taught you, or what school you went to, or whatever, you’re still filtering everything through your own experience, your own mind, your own biases no matter what. And, there’s always going to be some sort of distortion that takes place in that information coming through. And I think that’s just the nature of it. So, as a medium, I think if you’re coming at it with love and an open heart and you’re doing this because you want to help people, then even if there happens to be distortions, I don’t think you can go wrong.
Johnny Burke: That’s a very good point- definitely one worth remembering. And speaking of remembering, I believe you will give us an example of channeling live.
Jenny Lea: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: Do you need a couple of minutes?
Jenny Lea: it’ll probably take me a couple minutes to just to get it flowing. Just to forewarn you, sometimes my body does weird things. My face might look different and, sometimes depending on who it is, it takes them a little while to get me talking depending on who it is. So, I sent an intention beforehand that I just wanted whoever to come through. Wasn’t asking for somebody specific, but somebody that was going to give your audience, the people who are watching or listening to this right now, messages that are helpful for them. So we’ll see what happens.
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Johnny Burke: Did they say who they were or where they came from?
Jenny Lea: I had been feeling that energy before we started our interview and is very strong. I didn’t get a sense of who they were, but considering they used the phrase. people of Earth, it makes me think they’re out there somewhere. I, I think if I had to take a guess, I think that they’re a higher density, higher dimensional beings. They probably aren’t physical bodies anymore, is what I think.
Johnny Burke: Right, there are star beings in physical bodies and some that are just like light beings.
Jenny Lea: I believe so. Yes. That’s something that I think a lot of us will be exploring for a while. I wish, they would just show up already and just be done with it
Jenny Lea: I know. What’s the hold-up, people?
Johnny Burke: I don’t know. I’m going to keep asking. Hopefully, they will hear me. But do you ever get to ask them questions?
Jenny Lea: Yes. Sometimes, we have an open night where people in the audience can ask questions, too.
Johnny Burke: Has anybody, asked Can you tell us who’s going to win the next election?
Jenny Lea: nobody’s asked that one yet.
Johnny Burke: I’m kind of shocked somebody somewhere is thinking. Okay. I’m not going to get into that now, we’ll wait until the tape stops, but I’m going ask you about that. But, very, very cool stuff. Jenny. Thanks for joining
us.
Jenny Lea: Thank you so much.
Johnny Burke: very, very good information. In the meantime, how can our listeners find more about you online?
Jenny Lea: my website. It’s mediumjennylea.com. And that’s Lee with an A and not with an E.
Johnny Burke: Right. And, on social media, you are on Instagram?
Jenny Lea: Yes. Mm-Hmm?
Johnny Burke: So it’s at @Mediumjenny Lee?
Jenny Lea: Correct.