#131 Robin Retallick: Channeling and The Law of Attraction
johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Robin Retallick. He’s an engineer who considers himself one of the least likely candidates ever to have ended up channeling, which he’s been doing now since 2008. He’s the founder of the Law of Attraction Club, a community whose particular focus has been to get past the stories to the simple fundamentals upon which all stories are built. Robin, welcome to the program.
Robin Retallick: Hi, John.
johnny Burke: the teachings of Abraham through Esther Hicks, I imagine, had a really big influence on you. How did you discover that in the first place?
Robin Retallick: Yeah, well, e Eva, my wife, we’d been through a few things together and she left in the car one day a cd, which was an audio recording of Esther Hicks channeling Abraham. So when I hopped in the car and turned it on the away the audio went,
johnny Burke: Mm-hmm.
Robin Retallick: this is a bit wacky. but then , as I listened, I listenedI got a bit fascinated because I’d started more life, like a lot of us do, with Christianity, and then gave that up as being too illogical, and unattainable. And in fact, as I perceived it. so this was something different, a way of explaining who we are and understanding how we can create our own world. And long story short, that was the beginning of 18 years of, listening to their audios, going to their seminars, being in their hot seat and all that sort of thing. but still, questions remained at the end of that. And that’s when we got into our own exercises here.
johnny Burke: Why do you consider yourself one of the least likely candidates to have ended up channeling?
Robin Retallick: Maybe it’s a, it’s a preconceived idea about, of people who channel, but you know, I come from a very nuts and bolts engineering background, as you mentioned, and to me, it had to [00:02:00] be logical, had to make sense. There was nothing woo-woo about it from my perspective at all. when I heard Esther doing it, I guess I never really asked my question myself, the question all that seriously, but I never considered that I’d be a possible channeler. it wasn’t until it happened that I realized anyone can do it and people are doing it. You are doing it in ways that you’re not consciously doing, but you are doing it nevertheless.
johnny Burke: That’s definitely something I do hear a lot that we are all doing it in some form or another, so,
Robin Retallick: All right.
johnny Burke: Who or, should I say, what exactly is Abraham?
Robin Retallick: Well, I can give you their definition of it, which is, a group of conscious beings who happen to be interested in some of the thoughts and questions that we have. And if you think about the law of attraction, you know, you attract that which you expect. They get attracted to us from [00:03:00] their end by the law of attraction, even as we get attracted to them.
johnny Burke: Now these beings don’t seem to be earthly beings. They’re from somewhere else. Where exactly do they come from or do we even know?
Robin Retallick: Yes. Your essence and my essence, John, we are conscious beings. You know, conscious awareness, sentient, beings. We are in now a space, time world and so we get caught up with the physicalness of what we are. But that’s your essence. You are much more part of the collective consciousness than you are, a human being on planet Earth, for example. they are just a part of that. they’re not in our realm. They haven’t not played the game of life on earth in this space-time world, for example, but they do respond to our questions, to respond to our requests for information.
johnny Burke: So do they identify with any particular galactic sphere or area, or not necessarily?
Robin Retallick: No, not at all.
johnny Burke: Okay. That’s probably a completely separate thing. So let’s talk about the law of attraction. This is apparently nothing new, and I’m sure that there’s a lot of marketing opportunities that arose because of the law of attraction.So you started the Law of Attraction Club. How is that different from what we’ve read in books about the law of attraction? Or is it not that much different?
Robin Retallick: Well, there’s a lot of versions of the law of attraction, of course. Right. one of the things that I discovered, the first person we had channeling Abraham if you like,was a girl out of South Africa of all places called Nina Farrell. And one at one point she was channeling to me because we started hooking up with her and taking this thing public. She was channeling to me on the benefits of astrology and me being more of the scientific, mind that didn’t go down too well. So I’m sitting there thinking, how can this be right? That wasn’t the first example we’d had of somebody whose story got into the mix, got into what was coming through.
And so I didn’t know much about channeling, but the time when we started out, even though we’d listened to Abraham for 18 years, it’s always a collaboration between the channeler and the entities being channeled.
johnny Burke: Mm-hmm.
Robin Retallick: And the degree to which my story. Intrudes upon what comes out of my mouth, all right?It is a function of me being aware of that when I’ve got these sort of conflicting stories. Um, it became important for me, as you mentioned in your intro, to get to the underlying absolutes. What is there that’s true for everybody irrespective of their story? And that’s where we’ve been heading. So that’s been a very strong intent of ours.
johnny Burke: So what exactly is channeling and how is it different from, say, something like a mediumship reading, for instance?
Robin Retallick: if you like to think of yourself as conscious entities, there are no boundaries anywhere in this, but you can conceptually think of yourself as being a conscious you; you that’s sitting there right now asking these questions and there’s a subconscious you which, you know, from the moment you were born, you can think of as having been looking over your shoulder, seeing how things work, and then taking over all the things that it can do that you don’t have to do.
So it handles all the high-volume tasks, for example, it learns from you. And then there’s a third component if you like, call it your superconscious, which is, If you like more connecting back to the Abraham area of this world, the non-physical, the non-whatever, back to the collective consciousness, which you are always linked to. You’re never separated from it entirely.
When James Taylor, for example, says,” I didn’t really write those songs. I was just the one that heard them first and I remembered them and I wrote them down.” He says” I was sort of channeling. “Now James from the sound of it knows very little about channeling, but that’s exactly what he was doing. All right. And so it takes many forms when you get this bright idea out of the blue from somewhere from wence does it come. It certainly doesn’t come from anything generated by a physical brain. And so it turns out that you and your subconscious are doing a dance all the time, passing off responsibility for who does what all the time.
But there’s also a super conscious component you’re hooking into, which is a source of information from off the holodeck, as I call it. All right? And that’s what we’re hooking into more when we’re channeling.
johnny Burke: Is that related to the, the superconscious that is, is that related to the higher self?Or is the
Robin Retallick: if you like. yes,
johnny Burke: So it is related. Okay. And by the way, that’s not the first time I’ve heard about a musician channeling, as it were. Keith Richards is often quoted as saying,
“I didn’t write the songs. I was just there “
Robin Retallick: Right? Yeah. Just like when Carole King was getting he, award, forget the award she got anyhow. she said, it’s just a matter of getting out of the way.” And that’s a pretty good definition. Channeling is more about unlearning, that you can’t do something than it is about learning to do something new.
johnny Burke: Okay.
Robin Retallick: In other words, if you believe you can, you will.
johnny Burke: So the Law of Attraction Club it sounds like it’s a lot different than what we read in books. It’s a little bit more nuanced to say the very least. now there is a being that yo] channel, I believe it is called Terah.
Robin Retallick: Tareh? Yes.
johnny Burke: So is Terah a being similar to Abraham or? So it’s similar being, you briefly mentioned how you started to channel, when did Terah come into the scene, into your experience where it became, it sounds like a central figure?
Robin Retallick: Eva Gregory, my other half here, was the first to channel. I was in the kitchen one day in 2008, early 2008, and she come in, she was crying her eyes out and she kept saying, it’s all good. It’s all good. And that was her first experience of channeling, what back in those days, we called Abraham.
We stood in the kitchen for 40 minutes while she was crying and kept saying, it’s all good. It’s all good. And she’d had this experience and, she eventually got some words out and described it and talked about what it was. I was on the phone with one of my friends sometime after that. And we were talking about some of the very things you were asking about John. At the end of it I end up saying, “And there was great love here for you. ” And that is not the sort of thing I normally say to my friend, right? I, it just felt like the normal thing to say at that point, but also recognized there was another entity in the conversation. And that was my first challenge and then I burst into tears. Right? And so it begins, alright, so it begins.
johnny Burke: Now this is the communication. It’s not an auditory thing, it’s telepathic, is it not?
Robin Retallick: Yes. It’s like having another consciousness in your head as a part of this discussion, right?
johnny Burke: Mm-hmm.
Robin Retallick: and you’re recognizing that some of the thoughts and words are not yours. That’s different, that’s new, but you speak to them just the same, right?
it’s not like dictation, whispering in your [00:11:00] ear, here’s what you gotta say. It’s not a takeover by them of me or my intellect. It is just another entity in the conversation. The advantage of it is, we’re caught up in this physical game. Their perspective is completely outside the game. They are timeless and spaceless and as you are, I am at our essence. But so we get the perspective from outside of the simulation, if you will, of this world that we think we’re living in. And that’s an invaluable perspective because we can’t get it any other way. Well, well, at least that’s probably not true. Let me just say it’s at least an easy way for me to get that perspective.
johnny Burke: Because unless you actually experience, this world, this dimension, and that dimension of timelessness, which I’ve heard speakers talk about, a number of times,it’s very hard to get your head around the concept of outside of time.
Robin Retallick: Yes. No, it is also outside of space,
johnny Burke: Outside of space too,
Robin Retallick: Yeah, no, you’re right. It’s difficult for us to imagine timelessness.
I mean, if I gave you a book and, the words were scrambled in any order, it wouldn’t be a book you could read. Right? If I gave you a video and all the frames were jumbled randomly you wouldn’t get much of a story from that. And so that is sort of hard for us to understand a story less, you know, timeless sequence less, nothing’s linear. It’s all, one massive piece of information, if you like. And as you say, it’s hard to understand.
johnny Burke: Completely non-linear. That’s what I’ve been told. You had mentioned in our last discussion that Terah might actually be able to answer some questions. Is this something you can turn on like a switch?
Robin Retallick: Anytime you ready to go,
johnny Burke: Well, no time, like the present. So should I just fire away with the questions or?
Robin Retallick: go for it
johnny Burke: So one of my favorite questions, and I’m not sure if I’m addressing- is it him or her or ?
Robin Retallick: It’s a they
johnny Burke: It’s a they. Okay.
Robin Retallick: In that it feels, well we are here, it feels to this one as though there’s more than one of us. So it is more naturally expressed as we, rather than you,
rather than singular.
johnny Burke: the first question would be one of my favorites and a common one. Why are we here? I.
Robin Retallick: because let us take you back to the timeless Spaceless place for a minute. Even though it may be difficult for you to imagine, Some people call that collective consciousness, God, but it is very ungodlike in that the collective consciousness judges not , creates not ,whatever, but you were created out of that soup, if you will, as a conscious entity. So this part of you that exists back there is a part of us in effect, but there is no place or time, there is just us. and we being a part of all that is also individuated from that soup, if you will, as a collective, as a many collective, if you will. But it’s in response to your thoughts and to your questions and your desires. We were in it for the fun of it too. You see, we enjoy these interactions.
johnny Burke: The fun of it. Can I ask this is gonna be kind of a selfless question. Why am I here specifically?
Robin Retallick: In that process of individuating yourself, what began that process was a desire for good word, adventure. A desire for not sameness, a desire for creativity, a desire to be something, be somewhere, do things, experience contrast, have emotions, and so on. And that’s what caused you to exist. All right? That’s why you are here to discover who you are. To discover the power you have to create your reality and to have fun doing it.
johnny Burke: So is it true that we are eternal beings?
Robin Retallick: Yes. Better said, timeless.
johnny Burke: Timeless. So there is no beginning and there is no end of time. Is that right?
Robin Retallick: Yes. And that’s hard to understand whether the word eternal, of course. Becauseit implies that you know, you’re forever starting forever and forever into the ether. But you are timeless at your essence.
johnny Burke: So without actually experiencing, being a channel, or having any kind of spiritually transformative experience like that, what advantage do we have of actually knowing this?
Robin Retallick: Can you ask that question again?
johnny Burke: Without having the experience like you had, without having the experience of being a channel or having any kind of spiritually transformative experience, an S T E. An NDE.
Robin Retallick: Yes,
johnny Burke: A past life memory. How do we take advantage of knowing that we are timeless and without space and we are eternal beings?
Robin Retallick: You exist because of the law of attraction. In other words, as you felt, a preference, a desire so you began to evolve and your desires indicate what you evolve into. And as you make a belief about the choices that you make, you make a belief choice that I’m this way or that way. So what you attract to you is a context that matches that desire, that belief choice. And so you are in effect creating everything in your world.
johnny Burke: So is it true that if I create everything in my world and then at the end of this earthly incarnation I get to the in-between space?
Robin Retallick: Yes.
johnny Burke: Is it true that spirit guides or the council or whoever, they’re not really responsible for telling me what I believe is true or not? that’s up to me. Is that true?
Robin Retallick: You can choose to believe anything. There’s nothing you cannot be, do or have nothing you cannot change, and so the choice is yours. And let me go one step further behind what you are asking here, because are there spirit guides in existence? Only you can say for your world because if you believe there are, then you will experience what that means. If you don’t believe there are, then you won’t experience it.
johnny Burke: Right, and that’s what that means when someone says, well, so-and-so might be true for you, but not necessarily someone else, even though you think for instance, that there is no such thing as earthbound ghosts, and that might be true for you, but for someone else, they might think or they know, yes, there is because I have experienced them.Does that make sense?
johnny Burke: So what if I make a choice or someone makes a choice, that is an impediment to raising our vibe to eventually ascend, to become a light being. Is anyone, any type of being going to say at some point say,” look man, that’s not really the way to do it. The path is here.” Is that not going to happen or in other words, is that all up to us to really kind of stumble through that process and to learn for ourselves?
Robin Retallick: There really is no learning involved. Let me explain, let us explain that to you. You just got an attack of the, I Wes, as we call them . Sometimes in this communication, in this mixing up we do in this thing you call channeling, our voice will be more prominent, right? And, so it comes out as we. If sometimes he was his way into the conversation and that comes out as I, and so we have this dance going on all the time, basically.
johnny Burke: I totally understand that, but to rephrase the question. If we make a bad choice at some point, to indulge in drink and drugs and, misogyny and, hedonism and that’s our world. Is there not someone at some point going to give us some advice to say something like, ‘well, you can do that, but you’re never going to raise your vibe.’ Will that happen if we want it to happen, or is it all up to us to really just learn it at some point, even though you say there is no learning.?
Robin Retallick: Let us answer this way. We would say you have an internal emotional guidance system. Is the term Abraham used for it? And that’s a pretty good way of describing it. If you’re feeling good, you are heading in the direction of where you want to go. If you’re feeling bad, you’re heading away from where you want to go. Feeling good can be at peace, can be in an adventure, could be in something really enjoyable. Orgasm, alright, feeling bad, could be boredom on all the way down to, you know, anger to despair and so on. If you are feeling good, you are heading toward where you want to go, and if you’re feeling bad, you’re heading away from it. However, you are totally at choice.
Let, let’s give you our definition of the law of attraction, what you choose to believe and expect without limit wanted or unwanted, moment by moment, unique to you become what you experience as reality. And that’s not just the physical world, that is your spiritual world if you like. So, if you imagine that you have a guardian angel, then the experience of having that will appear within you, know, et cetera. So it’s not just the physical, all of these terms you are using, and there are many of them all of these hierarchies that are said to exist, these are yours if you choose to believe in them, but they are not absolutes. Does that make sense?
johnny Burke: It does, so what happens to someone that does not believe there’s an afterlife? Once we die, that’s it. We just go into the ground. If they believe that, will they experience nothing or not necessarily?
Robin Retallick: They experience what they expect,
johnny Burke: If they expect nothing?
Robin Retallick: Then they will merge back into something. And it will be like waking up from a dream and realizing that the world they’re in now is more real than the dream they left. We talked earlier here with you about time and how difficult it is for you to imagine timeless lessness. you may expect to go to some way station after you die. And hang out for a bit and then ring incarnate back to something like this. Life on earth. If you do, you may stay in a time sequence and it will flow according to your expectations. If you don’t expect that, you may transition out of time, back to space, and, and your consciousness will expand to take in the new environment to understand the new environment. And you will realize that this is more real than the dream you just left.
johnny Burke: Is it fair to say no matter what our beliefs are, our consciousness does not stop? , it keeps going. And as far as manifestation is concerned, before I die, if my wish is to reunite with my family and friends who have passed, what is the likelihood I’ll actually see them when I get to the other side?
Robin Retallick: It depends on whether you believe it’ll happen or not. You see
johnny Burke: Well, if I believe it’ll happen, it will?
Robin Retallick: Absolutely.
johnny Burke: This is a sticking point because I’ve heard many different opinions on this. When I get there and I see my mom and my dad, and everyone else, is it really them or is it a spirit guide that’s mimicking them or is it just my imagination?
Robin Retallick: Once again, it’ll be what you expect, what you may not expect, perhaps is the form that they’re in. In other words, will it be someplace? Will you recognize them walking towards you, et cetera? All right, well, if that’s what you really expect, then that’s what will happen. But there will also happen with an awareness that something is very different here. there will be a change in your consciousness. And you’ll begin to recognize that these ideas you had were very, sort of earth-based ideas, wonderful ideas, good ideas, and so on, right? But nevertheless, you are now on a different journey, a different adventure, but you will experience them even as they will experience you.
johnny Burke: So in other words, if I went to imagine this wonderful world, of the afterlife with my friends and family and being able to play guitar with Jimi Hendrix and, Ronnie Van Zant and everyone else who passed on, if I believe that’ll happen, it will happen.
Robin Retallick: Yes indeed..
johnny Burke: in other words, you will manifest what you believe.
Robin Retallick: Yeah. What you believe and expect. Expectations is the better word, all right? Because you may choose to want something, but you may worry that you’re never gonna get it. And if you can’t get to the point of believing in it, if you are living in what Abraham calls resistance, then you will not achieve it. You see?
johnny Burke: Okay. Well, that makes a lot of sense. That’s why it’s very important to actually expect something, which is what you think is what the law of attraction is all about. What you expect is what you’ll get?
Robin Retallick: Yes.
johnny Burke: No matter how lofty or outrageous that is?
Robin Retallick: There is nothing lofty or outrageous.
johnny Burke: Really? That why Jay-Z says, and this is an old commercial, but he says, ‘expect everything.’
Robin Retallick: Exactly.
johnny Burke: Let’s briefly talk about the law of attraction and some of the myths, and common misconceptions. What are they?
Robin Retallick: That you can just think of something and want it and it will appear That some sort of simple law you can pick up or put down, and it has no real, absolute effect. Nothing could be further from the truth . You are creating by your desires and expectations. This call, even as this one happens to match, in this case, your desires and expectations from his end. And so you have what you think is a common experience, but it’s because the version of you that’s talking in this call is a match to the version of this one. That’s to talk to you. When you go left at the fork. There’s an equally valid version of you that goes right at the fork, both. Equally valid possibilities and both are equally valid as if you like a form going forward. You only experience one, the one you chose because that’s all you expect to experience, and that’s all your brain is- your consciousness, if you like, the shape of it, is geared to handling in this story mode you’re in. But this world is your creation, John. It wasn’t here before you got here, and it won’t survive after you are gone.
johnny Burke: The world will still be here. It’s just that my world will not be here on earth anymore when I’m gone.
Robin Retallick: There is no world.
johnny Burke: There is no world.
Robin Retallick: It’s a simulation.
johnny Burke: It is a simulation, so Elon Musk was right then?
Robin Retallick: Yes.
johnny Burke: When you say simulation, how is that different from a hypnotherapist who takes you through a session and you experience a past life or maybe even life between lives where you experience that staging place- where it’s almost like casting a movie, where we basically take on roles before we come back down here again. How is that different from a simulation or is it the same thing? What is it?
Robin Retallick: That’s an interesting question. Let’s start here. You are living in a simulation. you say, how can that be? I bumped my knee against something and it hurts. It’s solid, it’s real. And we would say to you what you experience as your knee when it meets a solid object, then what you experience is what you expect, which is pain, but it is all at the level of thought. Now, we know that this is a concept that is maybe difficult for some to understand, but there is no real world at all. It is all the level of thought.
johnny Burke: Indeed, it is hard for a lot of us to get our heads around that, but, I hear a lot about simulation.
Robin Retallick: The interesting thing is that for many years in this one’s version of the backstory, for him, for many years, science was way behind in terms of understanding these, non-physical spiritual aspects, probably because the church was so poor in its description of things back in those days.
johnny Burke: Still is.
Robin Retallick: Yeah, and still is, but interestingly, science is in some ways getting ahead of the game because it is starting to understand that it could be a simulation. They’re still, very much trying to hang on to physical as real, but at the same time posing that maybe we are in a simulation that is ahead of, in many respects, many of the gurus, many of the religions of the day, and even many of the fellow scientists, right?
johnny Burke: Now, are you able to, as Terah can you easily switch back to Robin so I can get some perspective from him?
Robin Retallick: Sure I.
johnny Burke: we appreciate your participation and your answers. So, Robin, now that we’ve been communicating with Terah were you conscious the entire time of what was going on? Were you a spectator or how exactly does that work?
Robin Retallick: Very conscious. In fact, sometimes I’m ready to put my sixth cents worth in here. All right. so Very conscious. It’s like there’s a third person in this conversation with you and I, John, all right? they’re sitting at the table. And we’re discussing these ideas. The only difference is everything’s coming outta my mouth for the two of us. All right? That’s really the only difference that exists.
johnny Burke: Anything else, we should know about your experiences and about channeling?
Robin Retallick: Everyone can do it. I like to say it’s as normal and natural as having breakfast. There’s woo-woo about it at all. Right. We have run many courses in the Law of Attraction Club, teaching people to channel, we’ve never had a failure from anyone going through those courses. sometimes they get caught up in their own belief systems and that’s fine. In the purity of what we’ve tried to do in this club [00:30:00] is to get away from the stories down to the absolute fundamentals. Because if you start from the middle of a story, you’re are hampered by all the mythology that’s involved in that story. And, that’s a handicap. So it’s never simple. It’s complex.
The world as we imagine it, as we experience it, as we create it, is a hugely complex thing. And that complexity has nothing to do with source. All that is- collective consciousness, whatever you choose to call it. it is extremely simple at the source .
If you choose to expect something as a choice alone. As a belief choice, not based on anything else, but I’m choosing to believe this, you will create it. If you can be at that level of belief throughout all of you, at all levels within you. Money doesn’t grow on trees saying, right? Money, sure as hell grows on trees if you believe it does either literally or metaphorically,but if your mindset is money doesn’t ever grow on trees, you’ve gotta struggle through life here, then that’ll be the world you experience, you see?
johnny Burke: Okay, so stripping away the mythology and the superstition, is part and parcel of your journey and your work, wouldn’t you say?
Robin Retallick: Yes, absolutely.
johnny Burke: Excellent. Okay, Robin, thanks so much for joining us tonight. how can our listeners learn more about you online?
Robin Retallick: They can go to,
isn’t it the loa
johnny Burke: Isn’t it the loaclub.com?
Robin Retallick: Thank you.