#energyhealing Archives - Closer To Venus

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Atousa Raissyan. She is a shaman, a healer and life coach. She helps her clients to release the past and reconnect through different healing modalities to help realign with universal energy and source. Atousa, welcome to the program.

Atoussa Raissyan: Thank you for having me. John’s here to be.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that shamans and healers tend to go hand in hand. did the energy healing come first or was the shaman element first?

Atoussa Raissyan: energy healing was definitely, long before the shamanic practices. I got my certification. In energy healing back in 2003. I became a master energy healer. But then shamanic came much after. But the interesting part is, by the time that I actually really went and pursued a shaman to guide me and teach me, I found out that all those things that he was teaching me, I already somehow knew and was practicing it. So it just helped me dive a little bit deeper into those practices that I had already developed or had received.

Johnny Burke: Kind of like taking algebra one before you take Algebra two, something like that.

Atoussa Raissyan: it is because we’re all energy. Everything around us is energy, nature, and there’s a communication that we’re not conscious of that happens energetically. You know, most people, they say when they walk in a room or when they go to a store, they feel a certain way and they don’t know. That’s the energy you’re picking up on the energy of that environment, energy of the people that they’re feeling in that store. So we’re just not conscious and aware of it most of the time. But when you connect to that on a conscious level and start to feel, and even at times see that energy, then you can use it for this type of work, you can use it for your own healing. But yes, definitely there’s an aspect that you gotta be able to work with energy and feel energy before you can start down this path.

Johnny Burke: I’ve noticed that energy healing, which I think has been around for a long time, shamanism, definitely a very long time. Why do you suppose it’s become more popular, say in the last 10 years or so?

Atoussa Raissyan: I believe most people have been trying traditional methods of trying to feel better. In terms of talk therapy, their medication, everything else that they’ve tried, it’s not working, they’re not feeling happier, they’re not being able to get in touch with themselves. They’re finding, okay, I’ve done all these things for years now. How can I do something else that helps me? And they come back to plant medicine, energy healing, shamanism, even different meditation modalities, Tai Chi, and other types of work that’s going to help them because what’s been there traditionally has stopped working for the majority of people.

Johnny Burke: Do you find that in some cases in your work, where you’ve actually helped solve issues for one of your clients that traditional therapy could not?

Atoussa Raissyan: The majority of my clients, I would say probably 95 to 98% of my clients have, had traditional therapy before for years, even some of them. Some of them even their therapists have recommended to come and see me. So I’m getting work from therapists themselves and they all have seen the difference. They all made changes that they couldn’t do with traditional therapy. I think that’s partly because talk therapy works more on the mental, and emotional body, whereas this type of work is working on the energy body, physical body, emotional body, and mental body. So it’s all of it together.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Can you give us an example of how that actually works?

If someone were to come to see you and say, ” I’ve got this issue. I’ve been to talk therapy for years, and I feel like I’m not getting anywhere.

Atoussa Raissyan: The first session, normally when I start with a client that comes for what I call life transformation past trauma release is the first session I go back, look at their life- this lifetime and find out what are the ages that some of these triggers have started, what are some of the things that perhaps have been passed down from mom or dad? And I gather all this information, what emotions are there storing? And then once I get. on the first session. Then the sessions after that, we go deeper into those areas. We connect with those ages and that’s part of the shadow work. Everybody has different terminology, but I think most people were familiar with shadow work. It’s not truly inner child work because this is a little bit different, but I’ve already connected to those ages and then I try to connect the client to those ages as well, and we sort of go and give that part the freedom to speak, give them their powers, give them perspective, then once that age uplifts and feels better, then that translates into the now, and I usually give them practices as well to help reprogram those patterns that have been there. So it’s different approaches at the same time to go uproot what’s been there for many years in most cases.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned this life. When you talk about releasing the past, have you ever found yourself in a situation where you, you’ve gone into a client’s life other than the current one?

Atoussa Raissyan: For my clients, I don’t, and there’s a reason I’ve done it just for myself personally. That part just came. But for my clients, I try to stay in this lifetime because I believe the past lives, you’ve already carried some of that into this life. Whatever’s meant to be carried, you’ve carried it into this lifetime. So you are sort of working that out anyway. With clients, I feel like if I bring the past life because I do a lot of generational work with them as well, it just confuses them, but the work is being done anyway, so it’s not something that we have to go to the past life. I think if we just stick with this lifetime and do the generational healing, what I’ve seen is the client can get into a better state.

Johnny Burke: So generational healing. Does that refer to ancestors or to family members that are still alive?

Atoussa Raissyan: No, it’s definitely ancestral, healing that goes back. Sometimes it’s on mom’s side, sometimes it’s dad, and sometimes there are things that have been passed down. Science tells us that blood pressure, heart disease, all those illnesses, physical illnesses, they have been passed down, the majority have been passed down from generation to generation. All those illnesses, physical illnesses, have their roots in emotional trauma and mental emotional issues that have been experienced by those generations. So that’s another way to look at it, that just like those physical illnesses that have been passed down, this trauma has passed down as well.

Johnny Burke: When you say generational healing or ancestral healing, it sounds like you’re actually pulling it into this life and examining it in the context of this current life, right?

Atoussa Raissyan: Correct

Johnny Burke: Energy healing and shamanism, I often hear about them usually in the same talk. What are the similarities and what are the differences?

Atoussa Raissyan: energy healing, the way I like to explain it is just a small portion of shamanic healing. shamanic healing is so much more than just energy healing. There is ancestral generational work that you do Sometimes, there is work that needs to be done. Space cleansing, even land cleansing. There’s soul retrieval. there’s a lot more that goes into shamanic healing practice than just energy healing. There’s, power animal retrieval. I do that a lot with my clients as I’m working with them when it’s needed for them to have that extra support that they need during our

Johnny Burke: Soul retrieval. Can you tell us what that means to you in your work?

Atoussa Raissyan: Depending on when or how much trauma you’ve experienced, what you tend to do, the way I like to explain is that, think about it, that you’ve been so hurt, that you’ve taken parts of yourself and you’re hiding them so that you can sort of easily handle the trauma that you’re experiencing or sort of disconnect that you’re not experiencing that massive trauma. It can be at different ages that you sort of go hide these parts or take these parts, or it can be at a particular age and sometimes it happens even in the womb that you are, taking that part out So with some of the shamanic practices, depending on what the client needs, part of that work is gathering all that what you’ve hidden away, what you’ve given away, and bring it back to the person so that they fully feel their own power and presence essence.

Johnny Burke: Might that be like finding displaced energy or lost energy, or not really?

Atoussa Raissyan: Similar. Yes, similar.

Johnny Burke: so in other words, I think it did a pretty good job of demystifying that because I think when some people hear the term soul retrieval, they might think in terms of what does this person need? Or an exorcism or are they driving out demons? you can see where they can make that association though, right?

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes. that’s why I like to simplify everything and bring it into a term that they can see easier. When you think about it in terms of experiencing trauma, if you look at it emotionally therapists use this terminology that you pack whatever you’ve experienced, you pack it in the boxes as you sort of forget about it. This is similar in a way, but in terms of a big part of yourself, you’re locking it away and keeping it safe somewhere else.

Johnny Burke: So it is kind of like finding that box that might be up in the attic- like finding an old jacket that you really liked, but you, you thought you lost it and you think, oh, this is great. I found it, right? when we talk about shamanism, it typically leads to a discussion about spirit guides and other beings in the spirit world. Do you see any of that, or maybe all of that in your work?

Atoussa Raissyan: A lot of my work is done through guidance with my spirit guides and getting that guidance in terms of what I need to do for a client, whether it’s power animals or spirit guides. A lot of times too with the clients, as I mentioned earlier, I have to go get their power animals and get them in touch with that so that they can work with that spirit in feeling better. So yeah, definitely. There’s also the terminology of lost souls that we work with. Lost souls tend to be people that for whatever reason when they passed on, their energy stayed. It didn’t move on. It didn’t move forward. And helping them find that path and, helping them sort of release and move into the light.

Johnny Burke: Is a lost soul the same thing as an earthbound ghost, or are they separate entities?

Atoussa Raissyan: I cannot talk to Earthbound ghost. I like to use the terminology lost souls, where there is just a person that has left the physical body but Has not transitioned.

Johnny Burke: Has not moved on

Atoussa Raissyan: Transitioned. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Okay. It’s hard to really get a consensus on all these things because none of them are really tangible. I’ve heard people talk about, those ghosts or entities, as you just described lost souls. They have not moved on yet. So have you ever had visitations by spirit? it wasn’t residual energy it actually had an intelligence. Has that ever happened to you or any of your clients?

Atoussa Raissyan: during some of my client work, I don’t go look for them, but if there is a presence, for example, their grandmother that I feel that is still there, for sure I communicate and if there is a message I bring about, but unless it’s helpful to my client, I sort of keep everybody out of it.

Johnny Burke: Right.

Atoussa Raissyan: if that makes sense.

Johnny Burke: I think it does because I know of one example, a friend of my sisters was having, a reading with a medium and she was trying to connect with, I guess whoever was going to come through. And there were several people that were , if you can imagine ,raising their hand like, call on me, call on me. . Do you find that kind of thing in your work as well?

Atoussa Raissyan: I do the work so that I pretty much put the space sort of on lockdown so that only what is necessary can come through if that makes sense. So rarely do I get anybody, and when I do, it’s needed for the work I’m doing. Either I’m ignoring them or the energy that I’ve put into the space so that they stay out is working.

Johnny Burke: So I think I’m trying to draw the similarities between this and mediumship because what’s the difference between a soul that’s not moved on and someone that comes through during either a medium reading or a shamanic journey or even during an energy healing? Isn’t that true?

Atoussa Raissyan: So the ones that I work with, even when they come for a particular client, it is a lost soul type situation.

Johnny Burke: Okay. There’s no real absolute with this thing because it’s very hard to get a consensus on the difference between an apparition, residual energy and, a spirit actually visiting, but who is not lost?

Atoussa Raissyan: Correct? Correct. In my work, I only deal with that portion.

Johnny Burke: So any other types of beings other than spirit guides and other spirits that come through sometimes?

Atoussa Raissyan: My work is mainly spirit guides, and power animals I work with a lot, so the spirit of those animals and the lost souls that, I mentioned. Other than that, I don’t work with other beings for the work I do with the clients.

Johnny Burke: Power animals. How do we actually explain that in a way where it doesn’t seem like it’s fiction or fantasy? We know the spirit world is real.

Atoussa Raissyan: If you think of everything as energy, I think things become much simpler to understand and connect with. And power animals are the same thing.
During your lifetime specific times you’re going through a situation, it’s sort of that extra guidance that you need to get in touch with yourself and feel that particular power inside of you. That is what a power animal helps you with.

For example, a client may come and they’ve, throughout their lifetime, they’ve had really difficulty speaking up for themselves. I might go and do a journey and maybe the power animal can be a parakeet or maybe it’s a lion because that’s what they need to express their voice and be able to speak up for themselves. So different power animals, different powers you get. For a client, I tend to go get their power animals so that they can go ahead and heal, that they connect with it. There’s different meditations I give them, but a lot of people themselves through meditation, and dreams, say they saw an animal come to their aid or an animal was walking with them. Or even in real life, sometimes you’re sitting there or walking in nature, there’s a particular animal that comes and sort of on your path or keeps moving in your path. Those are the times that they have messages for you. You connect with it- you see a squirrel, and the squirrel is not going to physically talk to you, but if you connect energetically, you get the essence of the message it’s trying to tell you.

Johnny Burke: what do the Akashic records have to do with all this? It seems like there’s some kind of connectivity, shamanism, past lives, and the akashic records. Does that play into your work or not really?

Atoussa Raissyan: I don’t do too much of the past lives. There’s a reason for that because most people when you go into that, lose the work that’s needed for this lifetime. I notice if I just bring it into the present moment, into what’s happening in their life now, it’s easier to get them to see things better. It’s easier to get them to release and heal, and also teaching them to stay in the present moment and stay in the now. But if you go bring that sort of like, a queen last time, what does that mean in this lifetime? Am I still a queen? Did I do something? So it brings too many questions and too many ifs and whys and takes away from the healing that they need in this particular moment.

Johnny Burke: The akashic records is not really something you would use in your work?

That’s what I was trying to figure out. Okay. What about male and female energies? how does that come into play with what you do with your clients?

Atoussa Raissyan: that’s a big part of the work I do. No matter what gender you’re born with or what gender you identify with, each one of us carries the male and female energies, and male and female energies are in everything. So if that energy right now, actually I feel a lot of what’s happening in our world is because of that imbalance. If in each of us, we try to balance those two energies, that has an impact on not just our life, but those around us and the world that we’re living in. So yes, definitely, that’s a big part of the work I do.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that balancing the female with the male energy- do you think we ever had that as a civilization? and if so, are we moving towards that again or not necessarily?

Atoussa Raissyan: civilization? Perhaps not, but maybe a pre-civilized world. Yes.

Johnny Burke: way, way, way back,

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes, yes.

Johnny Burke: maybe 10,000 years or more. Before recorded time. I bring that up because people talk about 5G frequency and there was a time in ancient civilizations when telepathy was normal. Everyone was psychic. This coincides with and confirms the claim that everyone has these abilities. You just have to work on it. Some people have them a little bit closer to the surface than others, but it’s latent, which again implies that we had them long, long ago.

I bring up the male and female energy because people talk about the divine feminine and the divine male, and it’s about achieving a balance.

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes, yes.

Johnny Burke: All right, good. Anything else that you would like our listeners to know about or what they should know about?

Atoussa Raissyan: I would love for people to just start, connecting with themselves and becoming aware of their triggers their emotions. Once you become aware of yourself, aware of your energy, you can also start connecting with the world around you through that energy as well. One of the biggest energies to connect to is nature, which helps in your healing journey. Whether you go sit outside, go for walks, go for hikes, just connect with that energy that’s out there, the energy of the wind, the sun, the moon, all of that, can help you with your healing. Just become aware of your own energy your own triggers and start your healing journey wherever you’re at.

Johnny Burke: Everything is energy.

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes.

Johnny Burke: And I’ve heard that I don’t know how many times, that makes sense for me. Atousa, thanks for coming on to the show today. How can our listeners find you online?

Atoussa Raissyan: Thank you so much. You can find me on my website, which is https://www.atousaraissyan.com.

#92 Lucy Brand: The Metaphysical World Part II

October 22, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Channeling, Mystics

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September 2, 2022

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Lucy Brand. She is an energy Alchemist, galactic shaman, divine channeler, and founder of Energetic Essence Healing. Today, we will be continuing our discussion on the metaphysical world. Lucy, welcome back to the program.

Lucy Brand: Thank you for having me again. I think I had so much fun the first time. I’m glad to be

invited back.

Johnny Burke: We actually did have a very good time talking about the metaphysical world, in the first episode. And I wanted to make sure that we didn’t miss anything. So for those who may not have heard the first episode, the first installment, what is your understanding of metaphysics and, otherwise the metaphysical world ?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. So my interpretation or understanding of it is it’s how the universe comes together, but in a way, we can’t quite figure it out. So, everything from universe dimensions, different realms, us as beings, other beings. But also, you know how love- there’s no mathematical equation for love. There is just a magic in love. There’s no rhyme or reason or strategy to it. And that’s what I think metaphysics is about the universe. It’s more of a feeling of how everything comes together rather than statistics like science

Johnny Burke: I think it’s interesting that you mention there is no equation or, algorithm for love. But when you talk about love, I don’t think that it’s the fuzzy love that we associate with relationships. It’s more of a, higher love that kind of bonds us all together.

Lucy Brand: Yeah. If I’m talking about the source of all that is, or the divine, or some people call it God, or like the universe that or higher consciousness. That’s a different kind of love to human love if you see what I mean. But again, there’s no mathematical equation for the divine, and how I might see the divine and you see, it might be different as well – different interpretations.

Johnny Burke: And if there was an equation or if there was a, math or a calculus for love I’m sure Elon Musk will probably try to buy that company, right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I think everyone would be. I think everyone would do that if we found the formula for love.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. The formula, the calculus. Yeah. It’s a great idea though. So how do time and space fit into the grand picture of the metaphysical world? I’ve heard lots of different theories and I’ve also heard that time might even be an illusion. What are your thoughts?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, my understanding is that time is an illusion. It’s a human construct so that we can better understand the universe cuz otherwise our minds are just blown. We can’t wrap our heads around something. So with what I look at, I believe that time doesn’t exist. So past lives don’t actually exist, cuz it’s all happening at the same time, across different dimensions, and across different timelines,but that’s quite hard to wrap your head around sometimes.

Johnny Burke: indeed.

Lucy Brand: I see it when we heal in this lifetime or even in another lifetime, you see how it frees up different things, challenges that are happening in other lifetimes. So it kind of makes sense. It’s like a ripple effect.

Johnny Burke: Could that be related to the butterfly effect?

Lucy Brand: Hmm. Completely, but just not necessarily just on planet earth, but throughout the whole of the universe.

Johnny Burke: It’s not the first time I’ve heard that. So if I understand you correctly if we heal something in this lifetime, it’s also possible to heal something in, let’s say another lifetime- the time element can be very confusing. You’re right. It’s a lot to get our heads around, but is that possible?

Lucy Brand: Oh completely. That happens all the time. I tend to be the last resort for a lot of people. And they’ve tried everything in this dimension, this world, and it’s not working. So I will look at their past lives and not that past lives exist, but that’s the term we’ve got for it. And something will have happened in their past life that is actually impacting them now in this current reality. So we heal that, and then it completely changes their current reality. Like they’re able to let go or move on or something just heals within them.

Johnny Burke: but it’s a lot easier for us to imagine an axis going from a, to B like a horizontal axis as if to say, well, you have an issue now because in a past life, challenge someone to a duel, and you lost, and that’s why you’ve always felt a certain way about something.

I remember reading about Edgar Cayce, in one of his cases he was doing a reading for a gentleman that apparently had a past life of Alexander Hamilton, who we know died in a gun duel. I think it’s easier for us to think “okay that goes back to 1812 and now here we are in 20 22. Now that I’ve resolved that I feel better about my life in the present.

Lucy Brand: Yeah, but it’s also like phobias. It can be anything. Like I had an absolute terrified of cruise ships. Couldn’t even look at them. They just terrified me. And when I explored it deeper for myself, I actually died around Victorian times on a cruise ship, it sank in the Atlantic on its way to America. So I went down with the ship and I was like, “oh, that makes so much sense.” So what I would do is go into that life and just heal it so that we can let it go. Cuz we carry so much stuff in our beings. Karma or whatever you wanna call it. So it’s kind of healing that on an energetic level, it kind of frees you up and lightens you up. You’re not as burdened.

Johnny Burke: Now that particular lifetime, you were able to go back and you remember being on the cruise ship did you actually go as far as to when you actually died and when the ship went under?

Lucy Brand: Yeah drowning, drowning is quite common in past lives. A lot of our past lives are not that nice. I’ve experienced past lives on different planets and different galaxies and things like that. So in one of them, I was really not a nice person or being, in this particular galaxy. And so my understanding right now is the reason I do the work I do in the world is I’m kind of making up for some really bad stuff that I did in other lifetimes. So my karma…

Johnny Burke: Well, you must be doing a great job because you seem to be a very nice person. So I think you’re not in arrears anymore. You’re caught up. That’s my guess. Anyway.

Lucy Brand: we’ll see, but I.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Yeah, only time will tell- that’s true. Let’s talk about the dimensions because we’ve talked before about how we’re multidimensional beings. Do the dimensions correspond with the ones that are commonly discussed? Third dimensions, the fourth dimension, the fifth dimension, and going up to whatever the end is. We hear a lot about 3d and 5 d. Does the multidimensionality have to do with that discussion or is it, something completely different?

Lucy Brand: Well, I feel that there’s infinite dimensions. So it’s the same as I feel there’s infinite Chakras, the vortexes of energy, plugging us into the universe above us and plugging us into the earth below us. So I think pretty much most things in this universe are infinite. The dimensions are infinite and the way I kind of try and rationalize this maybe is that,in the different dimensions, there’s different aspects of myself living. So that could be in a past life. It could be on another planet. It’s all happening at the same time but in a different dimension. One of my references to this is, if we look at Jesus turning water into wine and bread, like feeding the thousands. I wonder what dimension he was living in to be able to do that? What dimension did he see to be able to manifest that? He must have had no limiting beliefs or ?

Johnny Burke: He was on another level

Lucy Brand: Yeah. And

Johnny Burke: As are the other ascended masters right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, exactly. So that’s what makes me feel that we are only scraping the surface of the different dimensions that are possible. But I do feel that planet earth is going through a shift right now as a whole planet into another, I’m not sure whether I would call it a dimension. I call it a new way of being the new paradigm, which I believe is here. And that’s what we’re kind of trying to navigate right now.

Johnny Burke: it seems like there’s an awful lot of upheaval. Everybody knows what’s in the news these days and even on the world front with what’s happening with Ukraine and Russia. When you mention a shift that reminds me of what some other speakers that have been on the show, talk about, moving away from the masculine energy to the feminine energy, or does that have anything to do with the divine feminine? or is that a different construct?

Lucy Brand: Yes, I believe it is. The old paradigm which was called the Piscean Age was very much focused on the masculine. It was set up for the masculine. The new paradigm, which is the Age of Aquarius is more about love and unity, and equality. So I actually feel it’s about the divine feminine, having a seat at the table with the divine masculine and every other energies in between , rather than one being higher than the other, because the thing with the Piscean Age, the old paradigm, it was very hierarchical. So it was structured.

That’s what we’re seeing right now is these structures are just falling away, cuz they’re no longer working for this new way of coming in this new way of being, which again is about love. It’s about community. The old paradigm was about competition. What can I get? And the Aquarius age is more about, we’ll see advancements in technology, we’ll see advancements in helping the greater good with technology as well. I believe this prediction, whether this comes true or not,, because it depends on people’s choices as we have free will. But people going back to growing their own vegetables, more sustainable living, and more thought and care in the way we are living towards mother earth and planet earth.

Johnny Burke: This would be aligned with the concept of community and unity. What you mentioned before- everything was about competition, that’s still firmly in place. You compete for a job, you compete for the girlfriend or the boyfriend, or when I was a musician, there was such a competition for bands to get record deals that it basically just squeezed all the good, all the fun out of it. And I think a lot of us kind of missed the point. It wasn’t about being better than someone else. It was about creating something that would hopefully last longer than we would, art as it were. Do you think that’s eventually gonna fall away and we are gonna actually enter that age? What you call the Aquarian Age.?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. So there are a couple of things I’d like to mention here. So first I think it’s already seeing it. So, it depends on what you follow. I’m not sure if I’m gonna remember her name correctly. But she was the front woman for the Dresden Dolls. Amanda Palmer. So she was one of the first people to adopt the crowdfunding way of producing an album. And she made a million by offering different levels. How it is done now, crowdfunding, she was kind of a pioneer in that, and that was the first time that someone didn’t have to go to a record company, went to their fans instead. So I’ve seen it change, in different things.

Another, so I’m a bit of a Dungeons and Dragons player. I also watch a show called Critical Role. Voice actors play Dungeons and Dragons in LA and they live stream it. So they wanted to create a cartoon version, an animation of their show. They went to all the big names. No one was interested. So they crowdfunded it and they again blew records out of the water. I think they got $12 million. So then all the big giants then came knocking. And so I feel like it is happening, but it’s kind of an underground movement at the moment. And we’re gonna see more of it, I believe because again, the old structures and the old way of doing stuff where it’s competition isn’t gonna work.

And the other side of this is you are not in competition with someone else because what you bring to the table is different from what someone else brings to the table. And you are just gonna click with someone and they’re gonna click with someone else. But as long as you are your authentic self, then you’re always gonna win. If I can use that word, there is no competition cuz you can’t be in competition with that other person, cuz you are uniquely you.

Johnny Burke: That’s definitely a good way to look at it. I just really wish that the job marketplace in the corporate world or whatever you wanna call it, there would be more of a community feel where everyone brings their unique quality, their unique skill set, where there isn’t such a competition. Because that, to me, it’s like a minus sum game for every winner there has to be a loser. And I think you’re right at some point, in the future of mankind , for us to really progress, that’s gotta basically fall to the wayside.

Let’s talk about your work and what you do. And some of your experiences with this metaphysical world that we’re talking about today.

Lucy Brand: As I’ve said in the previous episode, I was born with a lot of my gifts, because I come from a long line of witches, but then I have dived into studying shamanism and different elements to kind of, activate myself in different powers or healing modalities. Some of the things I’ve experienced, have been quite out there and I think one of the most intense one was I just finished a shamanic training, program, and I really got to delve into the different worlds that were available and I was with a client and, It was almost like this shadow entity- that’s what I tend to call them. For me, they look like, in the old cartoons where your shadow would do completely a different thing to what the cartoon character is doing. That’s what they look like. And he was being particularly aggressive and silencing this client. It was kind of scary. I’m not gonna lie. cause I was kind of a bit new to all this. But I called in reinforcements I called in my angels, called in extra people to help me remove him and take him to the light.

Then it was after this experience that I just realized that we are all-powerful. Nothing can really hurt us unless we choose to- we have choice. And it was that moment where I just was like, “wow”, like a recognition of how powerful I am, but so is everyone, because your word is law, anything in those other realms, those other dimensions can’t touch you, can’t hurt you if you say no.

Johnny Burke: I think I told you about this before when I went to a Reiki healer for the first time. I stood in a circle with the ladies. I think there were four or five of them. And, the ringmaster, the leader, said, what sounded like an incantation almost, or just prayer. “Only light and love can come in and only light and love can leave.” That’s basically saying ”these are the boundaries.’ So everybody else, if you’re not light and love, get lost, or don’t bother, cuz we’re not gonna let you in.

Lucy Brand: I do that all the time with my house. I say, “only beings of light are welcome here. All else must leave now. “And then it’s done. Like

Johnny Burke: I like how you said that – leave now. Or, I’m gonna have Lucy Brand come after you and then you’re really gonna be in trouble. You think you’re hurting now? Leave now while you can. Seriously though, that’s very good for all of us to know that we are powerful beings and, it reminds me that the Vampire Diaries where apparently a vampire could not come into the house unless they’re invited. It’s the same concept. Right? , and you don’t have to be religious obviously,

Lucy Brand: Not at all. I think it’s really good for you to do it. Like if you’ve been struggling a bit, so if I’ve been ill, my defenses will have been low. So that’s a time that a shadow entity might see a chink in my armor so might decide to come and hang out in my house and make me feel a bit more miserable or whatever. So that’s why I would definitely say something like that: “Only beings of light are welcome here, or else must leave now “and say it in an authoritarian voice as well. Especially after you’ve not been feeling well, or maybe you’ve been feeling a bit down or whatever, just to cleanse your house, like cleanse where you are. You could even do it at work as well. And see if like, no one bothers you that you’re not a fan of.

Johnny Burke: right. Exactly. No, that’s good .That’s good. right. A protective bubble. Okay. So I remember you were telling me about an instance with one of your clients. We didn’t have time to go onto this the last time, but, apparently, some of your clients are having their first incarnation on Earth, which could be challenging because, if they’ve had lifetimes on other planets that were easier- this place is it’s rough- that’s what I’ve been told anyway. Tell us a little bit about that.

Lucy Brand: Yes. I just kind of can spot people that it’s their first lifetime here because they tend to be quite confused at how the world works, why it is such a certain way and why it’s so hard, especially if they’ve been on other planets where they’ve manifested like that, or it’s just been a lot more love and light and easier. From what I understand, it’s a real honor and privilege to come to planet earth. And the reason we come back is that we want to work off karma and this is the quickest planet to do that on because it is so challenging. I think when we are on the other side, it’s almost like a classroom situation where you’re like, “oh, I’m gonna work off that karma, or do that. And then when you’re actually born here and you get here, you realize that it’s just not that easy and that maybe taking on all that karma in this one lifetime was a bit much

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that you come here to learn, but it’s not as hard at home because everything’s love and light and that’s great but do some people decide? Well, I’ve been there before and I’m never going back. The last time I was there, President Trump was ruling the country and I never, ever wanna see that again. Is that possible?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, completely. It doesn’t matter what universe you’re in, what planet you’re on, or even if you’re on the other side with the divine, you have a choice. So you choose to come back. My understanding again, of what I’ve channeled and asked my guides is that some people, when they have particularly traumatic lifetimes or, how do I word this? particularly, not very nice in their lifetime they actually go to a healing place. Some people aren’t allowed to reincarnate on planet earth for if we’re gonna put it in human terms years and years and years, cuz they need to heal from what they’ve done or they need to learn lessons from what they’ve done. On the other side, it is all love and light. So they’d never be reprimanded, but there’d be almost like shown a reel of what they did. And if that person has then become love and light, cause they’ve gone to the other side, they will be, I imagine pretty disappointed in themselves. so but I think, let me just check, um, yeah, so we always have a choice. Has anyone said they can’t come back? No.

Johnny Burke: Were you asking yourself or were you asking one of your beings of light- friends?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I was just asking like the guide of mine, like of being of light. I was just checking in with them because I don’t have all the answers, but I can get them for you.

Johnny Burke: Oh, my, that could be a dangerous thing for some of us. I’m not sure I really want to know all the answers to my questions, but that’s probably a discussion for another day. interesting concept though. So since you’ve channeled certain beings, beings of light, and angels, do you have a visual picture of what home- the other side actually looks like?

Lucy Brand: Yes and no. Like, to me it looks like many, many different rooms, depending on what you wanna know, where you wanna go or what dimension you wanna be in. I’ve said that the same soul circle ,each other to work off their karma. So if my grandma hasn’t reincarnated, when I’m on the other side, I’ll probably wanna go out and hang out with her for a while. and just be with her for a bit. They’re all in different maybe rooms is wrong, different dimensions. It’s like different planes that I see that happening. And there’s some people that just don’t wanna come back. They don’t wanna work off their karma. And that’s cool too. That’s okay. Like it really is. Any decision that you make is absolutely okay with the divine, cuz they’re only love and light and forgiveness. So it doesn’t matter what you do really. You’re always gonna be forgiven for it.

Johnny Burke: Wow. Okay. Now is it true then ,when someone goes home – apparently all of us go home. There is no hell as you and others have told me before. When someone goes to that in-between space, and they make their soul contracts and, then they come back, is it true that a portion of the soul stays home? Can you tell us a little bit more about how that works ?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, that is true because we’re multidimensional beings living in different dimensions. So there’s a part of you. That’s always gonna be home, there’s like different parts of you scattered around the universe. if you think of your soul as multidimensional and so expansive and infinite, and that’s just, let’s say your soul and my soul is that……, I’m not sure. Let me just check. No, I’m not sure it would be possible to contain it in one human . Cause it’s too awesome-if that makes sense

Johnny Burke: Yeah, it does. I just imagined for a moment you and I can be in a different dimension watching us in this discussion. And I can hear you saying, “well, Johnny, you’re pretty good at this. I didn’t even have to give you the script”, and we’re just having a joke about it.

Lucy Brand: Yeah, Totally.

Johnny Burke: I’m just making this up ;I’m imagining that, but I’ve had another guest speaker that came on recently that pretty much gave me the same scenario and I thought,’ okay I can see that happening. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I’m not gonna say it isn’t happening.”

That would explain how we’re multidimensional beings and we’re able to be in different places at the same time. What about when you have a dream about people and places that, let’s say it’s in the present- It seems to be present day ,and you’ve never met them in your physical life, but they are absolutely familiar. Is that an example of how part of us is in another dimension with these people, and that’s why we’re dreaming about them?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, that could be so many things. That could bethat you’ve had a past life with this person, or they’re in another dimension and perhaps they are one of the souls that circle you, but right now they’re in a different dimension. Or, we go places in our sleep, our consciousness, our higher self, our soul, if you want, it’ll go places in sleep. So, you’ll go and meet people while you are sleeping.

Johnny Burke: it does seem like that though doesn’t it? It really does. And I’ve had several of these dreams and I’m thinking, I’ve never met this girl, but I somehow feel like I know her or him or whatever. And this place, which I’ve never been to, but I know I’ve been here before, but this body’s never really been there . The multidimensional explanation would kind of make that a little bit more plausible. At least that’s what I think now.

Lucy Brand: When you do stuff that I do and jump timelines, it makes it hard to pinpoint when an event actually happened in your life. But I think it was maybe in 2021 and I was waking up so tired, so exhausted. When I checked in with myself, what is going on? Why am I so tired? My spirit was actually going to America and was helping people in America. Just reassuring people, in that spirit dimension. When my spirit was coming back in the morning, I was exhausted.

And a lot of the time I felt quite down, cuz it was quite serious, tough stuff that was going on in the states. So what I had to say again, is because I’m the authority in my life. I said I’m happy for my spirit and soul to go off at night to heal while I sleep. But when you come back, I want you to close all portals and dimensions with love and light so that they’re not gonna bring any other energies back that are lower energies, and lucy, the human, needs enough rest to be able to have a great day the next day and feel good about herself The next day I jumped out of bed, I was like,” oh yes, my energy’s back.” It is so powerful the awareness,

Johnny Burke: It’s moments like these, that I’m glad that I do transcripts, I know people are gonna want to go ‘where is this written down?’ Well, if you go towww.closertovenus.com, everything from episode 38 and up has a transcript. I think some people like to read anyway,

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I’m one of those people

Johnny Burke: it is very good to know. cause it’s not something that we really hear every day. The lives on the other planets, the decisions? I imagine this is planned in between incarnations. Do we make that decision or is it made for us?

Lucy Brand: Oh, yeah. We make all the decisions. It’s totally our choice, as to what you wanna do and what planet you wanna reincarnate on and you even choose who your parents are, and who your family members are. You choose who you’re gonna see who you’re gonna meet. And then there is obviously stuff will happen because everyone has free will on this planet. So you might have a plan when you come here, but then someone else might do something that’s not part of that plan. And then things might change. Anything can change in a split second. That’s why predicting the future doesn’t always work because it depends on other people and the decisions they’ve made.

Johnny Burke: A lot of moving parts there. So is it possible that when my time comes and I decide where, and when I wanna reincarnate, can I say, ‘well, I’m gonna go to planet Zoltar , but I wanna make sure Prince, Michael Jackson and David Bowie are my best friends from like age five.’ Can we do that? That’s probably a lot to ask for.

Lucy Brand: I’m sure you can. I’m sure you can. I don’t think it’s a lot to ask for like, literally, I think there are no limits and source will just be, have what you want.

Johnny Burke: I forgot John Lenon and George Harrison as well. And I’ll even play bass if I have to. and I don’t offer that very often. it’s good to know. It’s I think it’s eye-opening for a lot of us -it makes the possibility of alien life and worlds and different planets a lot more believable because a lot of people are talking about being reincarnated on different planets . From what I’ve heard, from some of the mediums, they talk about how these beings don’t like being called aliens. Because alien means apart, and they apparently do not feel like they are apart from us- that we’re part of the same star family. Do you agree?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I believe we all come from the same one- we’re all like part of the same thing, but just in a different form, a different aspect. I really just wanted to share something that’s coming through right now. Someone needs to hear this, that’s listening to the podcast. If when you make a decision or when you take an action, I would always preface that with,” for the highest of all involved” because then it offers it up to source basically. So whatever decision someone else might make for you, it will be kind of like a protection bubble. Again, the highest good for all involved will come out.

Johnny Burke: Is that the same thing as saying, ” I wish for a most beneficial outcome for my work life, my family, or most beneficial outcome for my podcast to reach the people that it has to reach. “And by the way, this isn’t live. So the only person that’s really listening other than you is me. So that message was for me? Or am I just dreaming?

Lucy Brand: No, it could be, but I think it’s for a listener somewhere. They’ll just tell me someone that listens to the podcast.

Johnny Burke: Which means someone other than you and I that’s listening right now ?

Lucy Brand: No, will be in the future. Yeah. Because time doesn’t exist.

Johnny Burke: Sorry- I stand corrected. It’s true. as. You make the rules, not me. That’s interesting though, there is no time. . What happens before we are incarnated here on earth?

Lucy Brand: It depends what you wanna do. Some people, have to go into deep states of healing because of what they’ve experienced on planet earth, in their lifetime. Other people, would wanna do more research, because if you think about it every time you come back, you’re gonna play a different character. If you like, you could be a different gender, working off different karma, different things. So I imagine that when you’ve had a life here, you might be like feeling quite inspired about how you wanna next reincarnate, or what movement or what thing you wanna bring forth or stand for, or, how you wanna change.Because I believe that every baby that’s born is of love and light, it’s only their experiences through life, which then make them what they are. I was checking in earlier about perhaps chemical imbalances in the mind, which then results in things.

But apart from that, I feel a lot of people come here with a purpose of some kind to heal ,or move or help the planet, but some of us just get lost or caught up and that’s okay too. There’s never gonna be any reprimand for it. But I think then when you go onto the other side, you’ll be like, ‘oh, I wish I could have done that differently, so maybe I’m gonna go and research how someone else did it. You have access to all these records of life and time. Well, you might be like,” do you know what?I need to take the next millennia off. I’m exhausted from that life. So I’m just gonna chill, hang out in this love and light” if they showed me everything on the other side, my brains would probably explode. I wouldn’t be able to handle it. So this is just my limited understanding as a human

Johnny Burke: You were just talking about the access to just about anything you want. Anything you need, to learn about. Is it true that manifestation, when you’re on the other side is instant ? I’ve heard this from people who’ve had near-death experiences where they think of something and they’re there, they think of someone, and they’re there. In your channeling experience and related experiences, do you find that to be true?

Lucy Brand: Oh, yeah, completely. So on the other side, there’s no resistance cuz there’s love and light. On planet earth,this is a very dense planet. It’s a very heavy planet. And there’s a lot of resistance. As humans, our emotions can get in the way, our beliefs can get in the way of us manifesting what we want. For example, we don’t feel worthy of it or whatever. So then we’re on a different frequency cuz our desires are hanging out in joy and bliss normally. And if we are feeling unworthy, we’re in a completely different frequency. And then there’s loads of resistance between you and your desire. Whereas on the other side, because you are love and light, it like manifests like that cuz there’s no resistance. There’s no unworthiness or not good enough. ‘

Johnny Burke: That’s something to look forward to for a lot of us. What is light language and how is it different from the other healing modalities?

Lucy Brand: So light language, how it manifests in me is sounds, so I speak it. And the way I can share it with you is I channel galactic beings of the light. So when I heal people with my light language, it’s the highest frequency that I’ve ever channeled. So in shamanic healing, it tends to be earth-based frequencies, which are denser. Whereas the angelic frequencies, the light language frequencies are much higher that lights, they transform, things like that, just so fast. Then you can channel different things for different things to be healed depending on what beings wanna come forward.

Johnny Burke: So light language is, is that the same thing an angelic frequency?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Excellent.

Lucy Brand: It’s different for different people. Like different people channel. I get very giggly with mine cuz it’s quite high frequency.

Johnny Burke: It’s possible that we might have to devote another episode to the light language because it’s not something we hear about every day. Are there any other messages that are coming forward right at the moment?

Lucy Brand: No, I haven’t really got any other messages apart from just. Keep going, keep going, and just know that it’s all gonna work out okay. And that you’re doing a great job. That’s for everyone that’s listening and including you, Johnny too. it is just having that hug that reassurance. That’s how I see this podcast. It’s almost like a reassurance like it’s okay. It’s okay.

Johnny Burke: All right. well, that is reassuring, I think. great stuff. So, Lucy, thanks again for being with us, and coming back. That will conclude the metaphysical world part two, but who knows? We might have another episode of the light language down the pike. How can our listeners find more about you online?

Lucy Brand: On my website, www.lucy-brand.com. And you can also find me on Instagram @ energeticessencehealing.

#79 Amelia Vogler: Energy medicine and Soul Truama

July 23, 2022 by jonny

Energy Healing

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Amelia Vogler. She is an energy medicine specialist, meditation guide and internationally respected teacher. Today, we will be talking about energy medicine and treating soul trauma. Amelia, welcome to the show.

Amelia Vogler: Hey, John. Thanks so much. Hey everyone.

Johnny Burke: Now, how did you get started, in working with energy??

Amelia Vogler: Well, you know, John, I think I started the moment I came into the planet, ’cause I remember being a little child and having experiences of being in the grocery store, and my mom would kind of park me over there next to the oranges while she was doing her shopping. And I would see colors around people and I would hear things as individuals walked past and I would feel discomfort in my body. My life has been a rich tapestry of sort of multidimensionality that’s just sort of evolved with me through my life. But I should say my life has not always been this way because our everyday reality really, kind of drives this multidimensionality out of our consciousness. I did what I called normal life. I went to school, I went to college, and I got a master’s. I did engineering and all that time feeling a little dead inside. Because I wasn’t acknowledging the bigness of my experience.

Johnny Burke: When you mentioned something like, multidimensionality. I’ve heard more than once thousands of years ago, that there were very advanced societies where we were multi-dimensional beings. Is that what you’re referring to or is that something completely different?

Amelia Vogler: No, I think that’s exactly what I’m referring to. And I think we have all evolved in some ways from these expanded consciousnesses, in the same way, kind of like my life has a little microcosmic example. I was born here with a big perspective of these multi dimensionalities that we live in and then life kind of eclipsed my awareness of them. I think that happened in my little life, but it also happened to us as humanities over a large period of life. So thinking about me going to college and studying Victorian lit, maybe that could be likened to an entire century of the industrial revolution here that helped, kind of reroute our perspectives as human beings into kind of a smaller silo where we forget how really big we are

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the word forget; I’ve also heard that several times where going back to the idea of multi-dimensional beings, that we did have that type of expanded consciousness, albeit thousands and thousands of years ago, and we have forgotten. And I’ve also heard other intuitives talk about trying to remember what we were way back when.
I know that you have a very interesting background and were you able to see and communicate with spirit or spirits at an early age. Tell us a little bit about that.

Amelia Vogler: have you ever heard of that expression” We pick our family? “

Johnny Burke: Of course. And we will get to that.

Amelia Vogler: The family I picked in this lifetime was my father, who is a funeral director owner. And that funeral home has been in our family for 250 years. And my mother is this amazing artist and she’s quite creative and she’s done a lot of things in terms of growing plants and working with the natural world. So my little soul was born into an opportunity to dance with the dead and also dance with the living. As I was a little child, I would go and roller skate through the funeral home because it’s a massive building. It has big doorways and it has, you know, easy ways to get rolling things through that place.

So I did have a lot of experiences with the spirit world and with communicating and hearing. At that point when I was little, I was already hearing sort of the spirits of the living, if you will. But here in the funeral home, I would hear kind of the whispers of those who had departed. and those messages kind of came at me and with me in many different ways.

Johnny Burke: How scary was that as a young kid, to hear these whispers?

Amelia Vogler: I’ve always been a very curious person. In my Mayan astrology chart, which I know is a little off tangent here, but I have alligator medicine in me, and alligators, we dive into the murk. And we’re just kind of curious, like what makes you a criminal?What’s going on with your psyche? what is that voice that I’m hearing?Or even being in the grocery store, having that entourage, that onslaught of extra sensory experiences? I was never scared by it, it was just part of the tapestry of my life.

Johnny Burke: you also mentioned, that choosing your family- that’s going to open up a rabbit hole as I’m sure you’re aware of but tell us how that actually happened- what the process is?

Amelia Vogler: Oh, okay. I can actually speak to that process, and I’ll take you through the story of how we come to be from an energetic perspective.

Johnny Burke: That’s exactly what we want to hear.

Amelia Vogler: Okay. Let’s imagine for a moment, a great void, a space in which all possibilities are encoded. It’s not a field of energy. It’s a void, it’s a space, it’s a different dimension than we’re used to thinking about. So we think of this void and this space as being rich with pure potential. And from that void, we too, emerge each of us as our unique spark, our unique, constitution, our unique manifestation of that great void of all possibility. As we emerge in our own uniqueness, that’s what we call our core star. It is sort of the light that is constantly creating us. And one of the ways in which that light is translated is through the spirit. And the spirit is, is sort of the light that we are.

if you think of your hand, the spirit feeds into our souls. Our souls are our different incarnated versions of our spirits. So let me back that up a minute. Think about your hand and let’s say you stick your hand in a fishbowl.You have your fingers kind of dancing, just beneath the water surface. If you were looking at the bottom of the fishbowl, looking up, you would see what looked like individual little islands or little fingers. But as if you were to travel up the fingers, you realize, oh my gosh, it’s all connected to the same thing. Each of those fingers are connected to the hand or the spirit. So from that great field of energy, our spirit emerges through this creative process. And then individuates itself into different soul expressions for different lifetimes.

Each of those soul expressions does have ways of communicating with each other. However, for the sake of our story, we’ll stick with one soul that is our incarnated spirit, trying to live out a specific purpose to learn something.. As we are developing. and coming to be in human form, there are a lot of decisions that get worked out here.. What’s our purpose here? What’s our mission ? Who’s going to help us create that mission.? What’s our soul group like? What’s our relationship to our physical body.? As you know, some people come in with really deep challenges in their physical body, disabilities or exceptionalities,. I like to call them, or maybe they’re destined to have a large accident in their lifetime to help grow them. But in those choice points, in that code of who your soul is to be here, that’s what gets referenced when we come to pick our parents..

Johnny Burke: What you’re describing, Dr. Michael Newton wrote about this in several books, he called. life between lives, between incarnations. A famous psychic medium, she’s the long island medium actually likened that process, that space as essentially casting a movie. She likened it to an episode of Saturday Night Live where there are all these different skits and different characters, but at the end of the night, everyone hugs, which I thought was actually quite clever. so we actually do choose our parents, choose our parents, choose our family, what you call the soul group. Sometimes it’s scripted where we have bad things happen.

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. Yeah. Things that grow us and there’s no bad in energy. Energy has kind of got all possibilities and, because energy, if we take it outside of the regular polarity plus and minus positive-negative, from the consciousness perspective, there’s nothing bad. That’s something that we overlay here in the human world, and that’s why we here in the spiritual communities, people talking about, “oh, this must be happening for a reason” which could be in some ways there’s some spiritual bypassing around that where it’s like,” okay, well, I’ll just find the reason to move on,” but there’s some deeper truth in that if we really do the work to understand what the meaning is, and that could take a lifetime.

Johnny Burke: Or several lifetimes

Amelia Vogler: yeah. If we don’t get it this time, it’s going to come back in a different way. And I see that in my practice.

Johnny Burke: Interesting. So let’s talk about your practice. Energy medicine. The first thing I think of when I hear that term is shamanism. Energy, and how that relates to shamanism, ancient practice. Thousands of years old. Is there a connection between the two?

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. Johnny, I think there is a connection there. I think we have to be really careful when we start creating one-to-one relationships in this work. So shamanism is one type of energy medicine, but it’s also deeply embedded in a larger cultural framework. People who identify as shamans or shamanic practitioners, many times they’re doing more than just healing, they’re tending to the community, they are bringing forth the template and the messages for what’s next coming in our human evolution. So, I think that the shamanic practitioners do use energy as medicine. They also use rituals and ceremonies, which allow us access to energy in different ways. It’s a really exciting pairing to think of how do the practitioners do energy medicine.

Johnny Burke: It really is. it’s quite fascinating because there are quite a few different modalities there’s energy medicine, Reiki, healers, energy healers, past life regression, Akashic records, it seems to me at least from what I’m told is that a lot of these modalities, connected as speaking of connections. Can you give us an example of your practice, how you use energy medicine, and what are some typical scenarios when someone comes to see you?

Amelia Vogler: Yeah, there’s a couple, I think anyone who is working in energy has sort of a large toolkit I have studied things from sound healing to acutonics working with tuning forks on the body to color therapy, to aromatherapy, which are different forms of vibrational therapies to yoga, which is, moving energy in the body as you actually move breath to body together. My practice has evolved now and it kind of sits in the space of the soul. because that’s what I came in understanding. It’s kind of like I was presented right between these spirits coming, who had recently departed, and these blooming little flowers on the farm that I grew up watching these cycles of life unfold in front of me.

So when people come to see me, what they’re struggling with is this feeling like.” I don’t belong here. I’ve never belonged here.” Or” I don’t know there’s something restless in me. I’ve never really been able to feel grounded here”. That’s a term some people hear about in the world. I also have people who come to me with feeling like I’ve never been loved. I’ve never felt love. Relationships are really hard for me. You know, these kind of lingering patterns that seemed to be a sort of like walking around with a big Santa bag on your shoulder, kind of carrying the burden of this same burden, but not knowing how to get to it. I’m really good at hearing what is the energy pattern of that burden ? Where did it come from? How do we change it? How do we rewrite that story? And how do we anchor that story back in the soul?

Johnny Burke: And in doing so, speaking of your toolkit, that does mean going back to past lives, soul trauma, and so forth?. so. how is that different or how is it similar to a past life regression therapist that has the same person come in and say, I have this type of anxiety, et cetera, et cetera.

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. I’m going to just preface what I’m going to say with a little disclaimer. I don’t mean to offend, I actually have deep respect for people who do past life regression. I don’t do them because I think they’re freaky. I don’t want to regress anyone in their full expression of their energy to another place in their past because I have seen people who come to me with parts of themselves, continuing to be stuck in the past. They would say to me,” I went to see so and so, and we did a past life regression and I feel like I left a part of myself there.” Oh, we got to go get that back. You’re going to need that!”

Johnny Burke: And speaking of which, I’ll quote something from your website:” energy workers apparently can hear the loops that keep people stuck and seem to know how to help them rewrite stories in a way that their souls can understand it.” can you kind of make that a little bit clearer so even the skeptics out there can actually get their head around it? I think it’s hard for everybody.

Amelia Vogler: I think it’s really hard and it’s nonlinear. So we’re having to take some big cognitive leaps to understand what it is we’re talking about. I would like to just for a moment kind of speak to my process I like to help us connect to that great field of pure potential and possibility from which each of us emerges.

Johnny Burke: Would you call that pure consciousness?

Amelia Vogler: I would call it pure consciousness. The imaginal realm, the zero-point field, the all that is, the universal field, the matrix. These are some other terms for that, but we can get at the pure possibility when we allow the wisdom that we have inside to play again, to be curious again.

What I do is when I start hearing patterns-I’ll give you an example. I was teaching just the other night and we were doing an exercise called alternate nostril breathing. It’s really beautiful Hindu breathing practice to help balance the right and left hemispheres of the brain, and a woman in class came up after the exercise and said to me, “well, Amelia, I have to say that really freaked me out. I felt like when I was closing my nose, I was suffocating, that I couldn’t breathe. And she said I’ve had allergy issues my whole life and whenever I get a bad allergy attack, I feel like I’m drowning. I feel like I am suffocating. And so it scares me.” Aha ! Here’s an example of one of those patterns. This is something that her physical body is experiencing. All of us get stuffy from time to time, but not everybody feels like they’re suffocating. So when I start seeing these connections between, sort of an existential crisis, how am I going to be okay here? And whether it be something in the physical, like asthma or breathing issues, or, I had a woman with a tumor come in. Not sure what that tumor was carrying. We can get at those.

These are also patterns that we’re carrying. So if I was to work with that woman who was having trouble breathing, I would want to get in touch with what does that feeling of suffocation feel like for you? Where does it sit? Is it in the heart? Is it in the stomach? Is it in the head? Because it could be many, many different places. What happens to your body? Do you disappear? Do you shrink in? And then all of those expressions of this issue, those are experiences of energy contraction in the body.

And it’s different from just talking with somebody, because what we do also is you’re sitting in my therapeutic space and you’re sitting in my energy field and we have, for whatever reason, I came into the earth to know how to do this. I can hold a space where suddenly we can go deeper than just a conversation and people say, “oh my God, I’m remembering a time I’m hearing my mother’s heartbeat. Suddenly I’m feeling like there’s water around me.” Are you in the womb? Yes. Did your mother have asthma? Yes. Was there anything scary that happened to your mother when you were pregnant? Yes. That’s not yours. That’s hers. Let’s give it back to her, and let’s rebirth you.

Johnny Burke: in this type of process, is this how you can sometimes stumble to a point maybe in this life, maybe in a life before this one, is that how it’s done? So, it sounds like it is similar to past life regression although, at this point, you’re really trying to figure out what the cause is.

Amelia Vogler: Well, yeah and we’re staying with that present experience in the body, at no time is this person my client like in a trance state or. Ungrounded or doesn’t have access to their own physical experience. And that’s the fundamental difference between what I do in a past life regression is that we’re always going through the immediacy of an experience because my perspective is you brought it here so we can work with it here. Instead of leaving the body to go and explore . We just access it from here. We know that in every single one of our atoms that make up ourselves that make up our body, we have a connection to that universal field,that imaginal field, that void that zero point. So we go in instead of.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of soul trauma. What are some of the most prevalent types that you deal with with your clients?

Amelia Vogler: I think that’s such an interesting question. I tend to attract in my practice, individuals who have never felt okay in their bodies. Like I never felt okay in my body, or I’ve never felt okay in the world. Like, I’ve just never been enough. I’ve never been lovable. God has abandoned me. Those are some that I often work with.I feel invisible. I can’t manifest anything. I don’t know how to be with people. Then there’s this other spectrum that I think is really interesting. I tend to attract people who have been quartered or buried in past lives, which I think is just really bizarre. But for some reason, I’m really good at taking disparate parts and bringing them back home.

Johnny Burke: you mentioned people that don’t feel like they belong like they’re not from here. And they feel almost like an alien. Doesn’t that imply someone that was from another, not necessarily from the earth, maybe from another star system or another planet or another world.?

Amelia Vogler: It certainly could be that. Honestly, Johnny, I think we all are that. If we go back far enough, we all come from some star systems. We kind of travel, I think, with our own kind of star group in some ways, but we’ve just evolved more in our earth, constitution identity. But there are some times that I work with people where a significant part of themselves has been placed away. As if they went through something that was so freaking scary, they left and they said, you know what? I’m going to go hang out on this planet for a while.. And, it’s really cute the way that we work with that, because I literally say, “Hey, you know what? I think we need to get in a spaceship. And I think we need to go find that part of you”.Because we’re using imagination. and when we go, “oh my God, it’s you. “And I say,” how does it feel to see yourself here?’ Oh my God, I feel alive.’ ‘Well, why don’t you invite them to come back with us? Okay. I think I will.” and then boom. We do the re-integration work.

Johnny Burke: When you mentioned, feeling alive do you think it’s true that some of the spirits that you’ve been able to communicate with seem more alive than some of the people here in our everyday life,?

Amelia Vogler: Well, what a beautiful question.

Johnny Burke: I didn’t come up with it myself. I have heard that more than a few times, with other intuitives, but I will take credit for it though.

Amelia Vogler: you got it- credit granted, but it is a beautiful question. And I feel like aliveness, this is where my geeky engineering brain goes. “Okay. Well, what’s your definition of aliveliness, I think our capacity to be is fully expanded in our spirit form and here we get constricted into this tiny little body that is holding something quite great. so we get to learn to navigate it, but I do feel like we can be equally alive here if we allow ourselves

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard many people that have had near-death experiences where they felt they were more alive in that space, that euphoria, that infinite love, Christ Consciousness was much more expensive; they felt like they were almost liberated from being out the body. So that’s most likely where that comes from.

So here’s a practical question: every once in a while, I’ll have people come up to me and ask me questions about the show like,” how do you know this is real? “How do you know these people are not just making it up?” I always preface any discussion with, I am not an expert -it’s and it’s not my job to really verify this with that because you can’t really fact check it, but what can you tell the people that are skeptical yet curious, because I think they want to believe, but they don’t really have that proof what would you tell them?

Amelia Vogler: Well, the very first thing I would tell them is that it’s never okay for anybody to tell you your truth.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Amelia Vogler: That your truth is your truth. And that I believe that our curiosity is important That our curiosity is leading us to something that it’s sort of like a tow line from something else, like leading you in the direction of more inquiry, more curiosity, maybe more experience like when you were describing John that sense of limitlessness that some people discuss, I would say, you know where I first that? On the massage table, getting my very first energy medicine treatment- boom! Lost my body. I was alive in the bigness of myself and then the next piece was to learn to live that and bring that into my everyday moment and be able to access it like that, yes, I can be in the grocery store looking at oranges or boom! I can be in the middle of that orange tasting the entire tree that it was grown from because I practice.

To the people who are curious, I say honor that, but, but please don’t let anybody say “this is truth ” right? Because it’s also a consciousness and I’m not saying any lower consciousness or higher consciousness, one is better or worse. It’s just that each of us has our own capacity to kind of see and connect with the bigness of who they are, who we are in any given moment. So if it’s a leap for you to kind of try on some of these concepts, dance where you are with this stuff. But also I would say pay attention to your senses and your feelings. There’s a lot of different ways energy communicates with you. And so a lot of times people just think it’s vision like, oh, you can see stuff and colors and this and that, but there’s a lot of other ways, energy and truth kind of speaks to you.

Johnny Burke: The way I look at it, I repeatedly will tell people. I’m not an expert. I’m just a curious guy with questions and whatever comes forth on the show, whatever episodes come out, it’s up to the listeners to find their truth. Right? And another thing is this: I had a woman reach out to me recently because she asked me a question about, Walter Semkiw, who I interviewed a while back. The question was, “do you really think he’s a reincarnation of John Adams? “And I said, you know what? I can’t really answer that, but I will tell you this. I don’t think he’s a BS guy. I think he’s a straight shooter. And I also said you’re not gullible. You’re a woman. And the reason why more women get this is because they have intuition, which is not native to men.

Amelia Vogler: Well, I know very many intuitive so I don’t know if that feels quite true for me, but what I heard in your sharing is that you’re holding a space for, different perspectives to come through. And I think that’s part of you as healer, john, I think that’s you standing as your own energy healer in some ways, inviting people to new knowledge and new information and creating that space for them to be curious about. So I think that’s right on. That’s what we’re doing here. We’re vibrating together or trying to help each other come home to who we are in the world.

Johnny Burke: I really rely on the guest speakers here. When it really comes down to it, I stumbled through a lot of this. I’ve learned a lot. Hopefully, people that are curious, like I am, will feel the same way.

Amelia Vogler: And in my consultations, I do these free consultations. So people can talk with me because I just think I love people. I’m curious, but I say everything in this space is intentional. Everything that comes out of your mouth is like a little doorway that we can walk through.

And I feel like what you’re doing is you’re holding some really big, beautiful doors for people and just letting all of us come and walk through it and offer new little doorways for people to look through and kind of go, ” is that important for me?” And maybe it’s not in this moment, but four years from now, they’ll remember, Hey, I remember Johnny talked with Walter because blah, blah, blah. Energy is just going to come into our awareness when we need it to, it’s just amazing. It’s all here. We just need somebody to open the doors.

Johnny Burke: That’s a really, really cool explanation. For people that are curious about energy medicine, would you recommend they trya Reiki healer? What would you tell them?

Amelia Vogler: Well, I think listen to what’s calling you, Each practitioner, even in the different areas of energy medicine. So there’s Reiki, quantum touch, healing touch, therapeutic touch, There’s sound therapy, quantum therapy, polarity therapy, and movement therapies like yoga. And, there’s somatic experiencing if you’re kind of more on the like psychological side.

Are you somebody who is really interested in the way the mind works and how you think about things? If that’s the case, I would encourage you to check out something like a somatic experiencing, because it’s an energy psychology type of energy medicine ,or tapping, EFT. So it’s a little bit more in that line of kind of extending the cognition app. And then for those of you who are, somebody that can’t sit still and they can’t move, like they can’t stop moving. I would say go to the movement, vibrational therapies like yoga or Tai Chi or Quigong, which Quigong healing is a whole way of doing energy healing. It’s not just a movement, it’s a healing modality and an ancient one. And then for those of you who are curious about getting kind of out of the body and those of you who might like meditation, I really like healing touch. Healing touch actually comes from the nursing tradition. It’s actually accredited through the American nurses credentialing center here in the United States. So it’s been validated scientifically, it’s quite an every day energy therapy. But boy, it’s incredible. It’s absolutely incredible.

Reiki and healing touch and therapeutic touch are similar.,so you might seek out Reiki, but a Reiki practitioner only has to go to a weekend class to become a level one Reiki practitioner, and then they do another weekend level two, and then they can go and get their master certification, Reiki comes through these different transmissions. So sometimes you’ll find practitioners who are quite new in the field and haven’t had a lot of experience actually doing the client side of the practice. So it could be a little clunky, like how are they holding that space for you?

Johnny Burke: it would be really interesting if sometime in our lifetimes people can have like an intuitive index rating, because some people are obviously more developed than others. Their empathic intuitive ability could be like, almost off the charts. I guess you have to just trust your intuition, right ?

Amelia Vogler: And see what it’s like. That’s part of why I do the free consultation is so that I can feel, is this person and I, are we on kind of the same vibration? Am I going to be able to use the language that I use of energy and have them understand it? Because it would be a disservice to them. If I’m not speaking their language and that’s when I refer out, because I really want people to find their way to their healing. It’s not about booking clients. So, I would seek out practitioners who have a touch point ahead, so you could kind of try it out. What’s it like? What are you like? How do you speak?

Do I feel seen, heard, and acknowledged in your presence?. So I think that could be a nice thing just to keep your eyes open for practitioners who, and even if they don’t list it on their website, you might contact them and say” would you be willing to do like a 15-minute conversation with me? “I just don’t like to book sessions before I talk to somebody, you could be a wacko.!

Johnny Burke: I think they should do that anyway. Excellent. Amelia, thanks for coming onto the show today. thought you brought up some really, really good points. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Amelia Vogler: thanks Johnny. So you can find me@ameliavogler.com or on Instagram at Amelia Vogler _healing.

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