#pastlives Archives - Closer To Venus

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Karina Chapman. She is an author, speaker, conscious, connection expert and dating coach. She also has many experiences with past lives. Today we’ll be talking about what we can learn from exploring who we were and how we chose the life we currently have. Karina, welcome to the program.

Karina Chapman: Thanks for having me, John.

Johnny Burke: How does a dating coach get interested in exploring past lives? Or did the past lives exploration come way before that?

Karina Chapman: Well, actually it was through dating that I became interested in past lives, so, which seems really bizarre. But yeah, it was through a dating experience that I had that made me explore what past lives were, how they impact us on this life now, and what we can learn from visiting past lives to gain more knowledge about who we are in this life and why we are attracted to certain things or why we perhaps have certain interests or traits. So yeah, it’s really interesting that it’s all connected.

Johnny Burke: Really, so this happened from a dating experience?

Karina Chapman: It did. Yes.

Karina Chapman: I actually met someone online and when I saw their photo,

I just knew that I knew them. I thought their eyes were familiar to me, but their faces weren’t. But it was like I knew the eyes, so I zoomed right in and I’m like, how is it that I can know this person? But I know for sure I’ve never met them in this lifetime. So that started my curiosity and, and once we met, in person, it was almost like I was looking at the sun, like they seemed to glow so brightly that I almost had to shield my eyes. And I thought, well, this is a really odd thing, like I’ve never had happened before. What’s going on? So that sort of connection with this particular person started my journey in looking into what past lives were and, and what they meant.

Johnny Burke: Now that I think about it, I had an episode a while back where a woman who was a practitioner was walking people through past life regression, and that’s how she met her current boyfriend. Apparently, they discovered they had past lives together, which I thought was pretty interesting to say the very least.

But it doesn’t really shock me because if you’re a dating coach, you’re obviously attuned to relationships, so you’re probably the type of person that’s going to notice that before others because of your experience with relationships. Do you agree?

Karina Chapman: Absolutely. Yes. And as we dated and went along that journey, a couple of months in, I had a waking vision of us in another life. So I thought, oh, maybe that’s why you seemed so familiar. And it was really interesting that I knew exactly where I was, what I looked like. I had brown hair and a green dress on, and I was saying goodbye to my partner at the time in that life, which was my current boyfriend, and he was heading off to war and it was in America in the Civil War Times, which being in Australia, I had no idea what the dates were or anything like that. I’m not a history buff. I looked up online, like when was the Civil War, was what he was wearing, something that, one of the sides was wearing. Could I find that? which actually I could, which shocked the heck out of me. I was like, oh, this is actually something that must have happened because otherwise we wouldn’t have had such a strong connection and I wouldn’t have felt that I’d known him, not his face, but his eyes. So of course, you know, the eyes are the window to the soul. So yeah, so that’s why it was familiar. So I thought, oh, maybe this is my soulmate then, not just that we’ve had past lives together, maybe, you know, this is going to be a long-term connection.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of the Civil War, do you remember, whether he was on the union side or whether he was a Confederate? Did you have any insight into that?

Karina Chapman: I wasn’t sure because I didn’t really know what the sides were, and it wasn’t a regular uniform that I would’ve expected. He had pants on with long boots. He had a white shirt with a crisscross of leather and, a belt sort of thing. So it didn’t really look like a specific uniform. So that’s why I was really curious. So whichever side it was, that wasn’t, you know, decked out in a proper uniform. So you would know probably more than me about which that was.

Johnny Burke: I believe the Yankees wore blue uniforms and the Confederates, I believe it was either gray or like a butterscotch. The reason I bring that up is because someone who I interviewed a while back, after the tape stopped, after the episode was over, actually said, “you know, John, I think you and I go way back.” I said, “what do you mean? he said, “I’m thinking Civil war.” I said,” really? Civil war? great. So which side were we on? “Oh, we were Confederates. “I said, “oh my God, I’m in Florida now.” But he described the uniform, and I believe it wasn’t the gray, it was the butterscotch.

Karina Chapman: Yeah, these were butterscotch pants that this guy had on too, so, so yes. Maybe that’s the side . So, yeah, I just thought, wow, how’s this actually happening? I was just getting out of the car one afternoon, heading for a walk, and suddenly bang, here’s this vision. I knew what his name was, I knew the location. and I knew the date, which I never had one thought about the Civil War at all before. So it was a bit of a surprise to me at that time.

Johnny Burke: So it was a waking vision. It wasn’t past life regression, which maybe you explored after that?

Karina Chapman: Yes, yes. So I ended up being with this person for about six years, and then something happened that was a deal breaker for me. So we split and then I thought, well, so what was that vision about? Why did I see us in this past life together, in this waking vision? And what did it mean? I thought maybe that meant at the time that this was my soulmate, but then surely a soulmate isn’t going to do something to split us apart so violently, it was he was cheating, so I thought, well, maybe I was wrong. Well, how do I get the answers? I feel like I’ve just wasted six years with this person and thinking that it was my soulmate and then this happened, so maybe it wasn’t.

So how do I find out what the point of me spending these six years with this person was? And as I sort of put that out to the universe, I came across this show on TV that I’ve only seen once and I’ve never seen again, and it was called Past Life Investigations. Where one person would be regressed in a hypnotherapy session by, a hypnotherapist, and then it was being recorded and streamed through to an investigator who was writing down all the points, and then they would investigate what the person said. And there were all sorts of people. Different religious beliefs. No beliefs at all. You know, no one really was particularly into past lives. And then the investigator to go investigate to see if they could actually collaborate and say, yes, this was a town that actually existed. Yes, this type of thing did happen.

So I am like, right, that’s what I need to find out. Then I need to do a past life regression and figure out what the connection was and why we met in this lifetime. So then that led me to trying to find a regression therapist here that I could go and see in person. So I just did a little search online and. I came up with this website and I thought, oh, I really like the sound of this girl. So I gave her a call and I said, look, this is what’s happened. I met this guy, had this waking vision, thought that he was my soulmate, but then this happened. Can you take me back to that particular lifetime so I can gain clarity on what this meant for me?

And she was like, yep, sure. I thought, perfect. I’m in. So I went along, and we went back to that lifetime. So that was my first experience, and I would’ve been in my early forties then. And I was a bit skeptical to be honest. First. I mean, I’d never grown up with knowledge about past lives or anything like that. Reincarnation, coming from originally more of a Christian background and then sort of left that area and just felt more spiritual rather than attached to a religion. But I still had never really thought about what a past life was, what it meant, what impact it might have on me. So I went along to this session, and she got me into the, the hypnotherapy sort of thing, and I’m nice and relaxed and she takes me down the stairs and to a hallway where there’s all these doors that she says, each of these doors take you to a past life. Go to whichever one you are drawn to, and then tell me what the door looked like. And I thought, oh, okay, so I described the door, went through it, and then all I could see was blue. So my conscious mind in the back of my head was going, oh, this hasn’t worked. Like, why can’t I only see blue? This doesn’t seem right.

But then when she did further investigation, I was about 12 years old laying in a field looking up at the sky. So that’s why I could only see blue first because I was looking at a blue sky. I thought, oh, fair enough. And so what she did was take me through each significant point of that lifetime. So I didn’t see the specific vision that I saw in my waking vision, but I went through that whole entire life. So first I was 12, then I was 18 at a barn dance. And friends of mine there were teasing me because this guy over there was fancying me, and it was him. And then we jumped to when I was 25 and at 25, I had a three-year-old girl, twin boys that were 11 and the husband was off at war, which was this guy. And it was a really difficult life. We were always hungry, we were really poor, we were dirty, , trying to find enough food for the kids. It was really a difficult life. And then jumped forward again to the next significant point, and I was 40 and I was praying in a church. The reason I was there was because one of my sons had had a farming accident, so I was praying for his health and recovery from that.

And the interesting thing that I felt was, I felt so old, so old. I’m much older than 40 now. And yet I’ve never felt this old in this lifetime. So I thought that was a really interesting point. So then we jumped ahead to the end of my life, and I was 60, which probably at that time was quite old age, and I was lying in a bed in a high neck white gown, and I was hardly a bump in the bed. And I thought, Ooh. I’ve never felt this skinny in this lifetime either. It was hardly anything of me, and I knew the doctor was in another room with my daughter and the regressionist asked me what was wrong with me? And I couldn’t really say, it was like consumption, so probably cancer or something like that at the time that they didn’t have the knowledge to actually diagnose.

So then from that point, I passed from being in that body into spirit form. And in that lifetime, we’d assumed that the husband had died because he never came back. And of course there weren’t great records back then either, so that was the logical assumption. However, when I got into the soul form, I could see that he didn’t die in the war and that when the war was over, he found himself on the East coast, which was really thriving and prosperous and there were lots of opportunities there. So he chose to stay there and abandon his wife and three kids to make a new life for himself. And it wasn’t that I was upset with him or anything like that because in the soul form you’ve got full understanding and, you don’t feel that way, you just understand what it was. But what I really understood was the reason why we had connected again in this lifetime, which was for me to try and help him to learn to stay and face his responsibilities.

And once I sort of found that out, I thought of our relationship and I thought, every time we had an argument, the first thing he would do was threaten to pack his bags and leave. And go back to the other state that he was from, and this was a constant throughout our relationship. So it made me understand that I’d agreed to come back and help him to learn this lesson. And if he could learn this lesson, then maybe we’d still be together. However, when he couldn’t learn this lesson, something had to happen to break our connection so that our paths would then not be joined anymore, and he would go onto whatever it is in his life. And same with mine. So then I really felt at peace with it because I was really angry that I’d spent all of this time thinking I was with this soulmate. This is the one for me. And then, it all got blasted apart. But with understanding, it really made me go, okay, now I see what it is and why I met him and what the point of it was. And the last thing that I really wasn’t expecting when I did a regression session was the feeling of being eternal. Because of course, we don’t feel that in this life.

And when I came out of the session, I was like, what am I worried about with this life? It’s the blink of an eye. You know, all these things that we think are heavy and life threatening or some sort of, you know, massive thing. Really, it’s nothing. We’re worrying about things that really don’t matter and that’s not what our focus is.

It really sparked an interest in me after going to that first session of thinking, wow, like I never thought about past lives before. I wonder where else I’ve been or what else I’ve learned, or what else I can learn from doing it. So then that sort of sparked a journey over many years of going back to discover more things about myself and how that relates to my lifetime now and how I can grow and learn from that to become a better person or to follow the path that I’ve been wanting to follow in soul form. And of course we know why we come down here, but we get down here and we’ve got amnesia and we don’t know. So it helps us to find these sorts of things out so that we can, not so much be a better person, but really follow our soul journey of what we’d intended of the lessons and the experiences that we were wanting to have when we’re down here in the body form.

Johnny Burke: All right, so just to recap, you had a waking vision of this person that you met in this life from the Civil War or whatever period it was from. That was confirmed in the first session, the first past life regression session. Is that true?

Karina Chapman: Yes, yes. Although I didn’t have that specific point in time that I visited, it was definitely the same person in the same lifetime.

Johnny Burke: Right, was that the person that you saw in the Civil War time or was that a different time?

Karina Chapman: No, same person. Yep, absolutely. Same person, same name, in that lifetime his name was Cal yeah, so it was really interesting that I knew the lifetime name from the vision and also in the actual regression session that I went to.

Johnny Burke: So, the names were the same. I’m curious, what is his name in this life?

Karina Chapman: Tyson, so nothing like Cal at all.

Johnny Burke: Now, you also used the phrase or the term soul form. Where did that come from?

Karina Chapman: I feel that we are souls traveling around in these bodies.

So the soul part of us is the eternal side, and the bodies are like a vehicle that we get around in. It’s almost like we are down in this lifetime traveling around in a car, for example. And if you go somewhere in a car from point A to point B, and then you don’t need the car anymore, you’re at your destination. So you get out of the car. So you travel on, but you don’t need the car anymore. And that’s how I think of us with our bodies. We use them while we need them and then when we’re to the point that we don’t need them anymore, we carry on in a different energy form and we leave the body behind because it’s no longer needed, that’s my analogy. Or even like, it’s winter and you’re wearing a big winter coat and then it becomes summer, you don’t need the coat anymore, so you take it off and it’s not part of you anymore, but you were wearing it, but it’s not actually who you are. so our bodies are not who we are. It’s our soul that lives and resides within.

Johnny Burke: Yeah, I’ve heard that quite a few times. Did you go back for more sessions I don’t know whether you went more than once.

Karina Chapman: Oh, absolutely. Many times. Many times. I’m a very curious person and I’m all about connection, so I was really interested to find more information about different past lives, how that maybe impacts me now. Perhaps it explains more about me. So yeah, so I just went back for the fun of it really to see what else I could discover. And to my surprise, it was more than just going back to a human lifetime. There were lots and lots of different experiences that I had on this planet and on others in human form and in other forms. So it really expanded my knowledge on what you could get out of doing a past life and the knowledge that you could gain about your soul journey. It was so interesting. So that’s why I just kept having to go back.

Johnny Burke: I would’ve done the same thing, in your position. When you talk about waking visions, I’ve heard this a few times where it’s almost like a flash of a past life. It’s not something that doesn’t happen in any kind of therapeutic setting, or in a doctor’s office or in the office of a hypnotist. Have you had experiences with dreams where you recognize someone in the dream, but obviously that person is not in your current life?

Karina Chapman: I have had a reoccurring dream experience, but it wasn’t so much recognizing a person, it was recognizing a point in time. So ever since I was a kid, I would have this vision when dreaming this strange dream where I was in Europe somewhere in a country that now doesn’t exist. And I was on the top of a turret in the castle, and our castle was being attacked. So my job was to refill the catapults with rocks and to put out the flaming arrows as they were being launched up at us. And unfortunately, our side lost, and I knew that that would be the end for me. And there were people dying all around me that had been hit by the arrows, et cetera. And so I, in my dream, laid down and

basically pretended to be dead. Then when I was doing that, the winners of the war as such came up onto the turret where I was and were using long swords to stick into each person to make sure they were dead, and they got to me and then I woke up. And I always thought, that’s not really a normal kind of dream that I would have. And it happened quite often. It was a little bit, you know, especially as a kid, it was a bit like, oh, you know, that was a bit of a nightmare. What was that about? But I didn’t really ever think about it being connected to a past life. However, one time I went to a session, and I traveled to this lifetime where I was orphaned as a child at only about three years old, and I was a male, and so I lived on the street and I scavenged for food and as I was a little bit older I was a stable hand. And I would sleep on the straw in the stable and look after horses. And as time went by, I’d worked myself up to being head groomsmen at the castle. And I spent most of this lifetime alone, or with horses or in nature alone. And then at the age of around 33 was when we got attacked.

So as we are going through this lifetime, suddenly I found myself on top of the turret again, and I thought, hang on. I know where I am. Like I know this. I’ve seen this before and it was exactly like my dream. So that’s what made, gave me that understanding that that dream was actually a remnant of a past life that was showing itself through a dream form, that I had no idea.

So it gave me a lot more understanding and that lifetime experiencing that also made me understand things about myself now. Like I love to be in nature by myself, and when I was a kid, I was obsessed with horses. If anyone had a horse, I wanted to be their friend. I was just so obsessed with these horses. So it gave me that understanding of, you know, why nature is important to me and being in nature, and also why I had this affinity with horses. And it also made me realize that possibly from being that young orphan with no one looking after me and me having to find food myself. I find in this lifetime, I really notice whose house has got fruit trees, where there’s a source of food. And of course, I’ve never had to go and take fruit from someone else’s house. But even walking in a path somewhere, oh, there’s a pear tree. Oh, there’s a raspberry tree. I really kind of noticed that, and I always thought, why would I notice that?

But then it gave me the understanding that if I’d experienced that lifetime, then possibly there’s some cell memory there still that makes me notice where a food source is, even though in this lifetime, I don’t need to utilize that ability.

Johnny Burke: About the tower when you first started to describe that, you mentioned it was a place that doesn’t exist anymore.

Karina Chapman: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: How did you know that?

Karina Chapman: I can’t tell you. I just knew that it had been conquered, so it was something different now, like that we would know now. As we know in Europe, there were lots of invasions here and there. Kingdoms would fall, different lines would be made for different countries. So wherever it was, it was somewhere that isn’t called that anymore. So, as I said, I’m not into history at all, so I’ve got no idea. I’m sure if I really looked it up, I could find something, but I couldn’t pinpoint where this actual location was. And of course, there’s so many castles over in Europe. There are so many places that it could have been. So, so in that specific instance, I couldn’t place exactly what this particular country would’ve been called at the time. So, but it was in the time of knights at the round table type thing; swords, flaming arrows, that type of stuff.

Johnny Burke: Middle Ages then.

Karina Chapman: That’s right.

Johnny Burke: That’s what it sounds like. Was it the Middle Ages or possibly even, before the Middle Ages. Very interesting. Now, when we first had a discussion, you mentioned something about soul walk-ins, which I have heard about once before. Is that tied to your past lives experience or is it something completely separate from that?

Karina Chapman: Yeah, no, it’s definitely tied to a past life experience and soon a different session I found myself in cell form. It was in a time when people would be wearing, you know those, square toed, square ended shoes with the buckles on them? And, you know, women had bonnets on and, sort of petty coats and skirts, that type of thing.

So again, I’m not quite sure of the year. However, in this particular area, and it was in Europe again, this particular life that I experienced, there was a lot of doubt around, beliefs and, things that were happening in that time. So my soul had agreed to be what I know as a walk-in. So there was a woman there that wasn’t me, that already had a soul in her, where the soul wanted to leave. And I knew that in this particular area, it needed some help in a certain way. So my soul agreed with her to come down and take over her body. So I was aware that I was in somebody else’s body that I hadn’t lived all the way through in that lifetime, but I could access her memories. so that was a really interesting thing.

Possibly it would be like someone had a bit of a personality change, but they could still access all the memories. So you would think, oh, they’re just a little bit different to what I knew them as, but I don’t really know why. And of course it wouldn’t have been explained in those sorts of terms. So I was aware that I was there for a specific job to do, and I was walking along the street, with a basket with my square toed shoes and my petty coats, et cetera, and my bonnet and the basket was empty.

And as I was walking, I was swinging the basket and I was heading to church. And while I was swinging the basket, I was able to manifest bread into that form, the breaking of the bread that we would do in the church. And I was there for about five years doing the work that I had agreed to do in that area to help lift the vibration of the other souls there. And then when I had finished my task, I left the body. So on the physical realm, it probably looked like maybe I’d dropped dead of an aneurysm, which of course they wouldn’t have known what that was then. But I used that body for the certain length of time that I needed and then I left it.

So that’s what a walk-in is, sort of walks into somebody else’s body, not that that person’s unwilling. Yeah. The soul’s wanting to leave. So for a specific reason a soul can walk into somebody else’s body and do a specific job that’s going to help the people of that community. And then when they’re not needed anymore, then they step back from the body and go back into soul form. So, and I’d never thought about that type of thing before even being a possibility of happening. So that was really interesting to know.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard about that so I’m curious, what happens to the soul life in the resident body when a soul walk-in occurs?

Karina Chapman: Yeah, they just return home to the spirit realm, to, back to the other souls that that they’ve known and lost perhaps in the lifetime that they’re in. And then they decide on what their next journey is, whether they come back down in human form, whether they want to go somewhere else, or maybe they even spend some time in the healing place first, especially if they’ve had a traumatic life. Or they’re really attached to what happened in their lifetime. There’s a healing space that you can go into, which I’ve experienced a couple of times, and it’s just like a pale pink sort of feeling energy space where you know that there’s other souls there, but you don’t interact. You’re just there to have your soul restored, and some don’t need to be there for very long and others need to be there for a lot longer.

Johnny Burke: So what you’re describing sounds a lot like the life between lives space, because you also mentioned the soul walk-in, the soul form assignment sounds like it’s a soul contract, which is an agreement. If you had an agreement in one life to perform a walk-in, that is something that usually takes place in the in-between space.

Karina Chapman: Yeah, it’s quite possible that our souls did choose that, you know, that’s what was going to happen, but I didn’t experience that particular thing. I just experienced going in, knowing that the other soul willingly and wanted to leave the body had had enough of the lifetime because it was quite a hard lifetime at that point. And that that was okay for them to do. It was easier for me to come in, do what I needed because I needed five years. So there was probably no point in me starting off as a child growing up and all of that. And also I wouldn’t have had the awareness because I knew that I was a drop-in or walk-in and that I had a job to do. Whereas normally if we are born here, we don’t remember the things that we’ve decided that we want to do. Yeah. Because if we do, then it would be too easy, wouldn’t it?

Johnny Burke: Right. And you wouldn’t learn anything, or we wouldn’t learn anything. So just to get some clarity here you did not experience the life between lives space, whether it was in a session or not, but you had the same knowing that many of those people do when you explored a certain past life, you knew why you were there in that particular instance.

Karina Chapman: Yeah, I do also when I go and visit specific lives as a human, it takes me all the way through to death and into soul form. And then I do spend some time in the soul form as well, whether it’s in the healing space, whether it’s looking back at the life and reflecting to find out what the learnings are that I can learn from that experience and bring forward into this life. Or maybe it’s even to meet a guide. We all have guides all the time that help us, whether we know it or not. And of course, it helps if we ask for help, but if we’re not aware of it, then that’s a bit difficult. So there’s always souls that are helping us and guiding us through our path to cause different circumstances to help us achieve the learnings that our soul originally set for this particular lifetime. And so you can get wisdom in the in-between as well from experiencing past lives and going into that realm.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the healing space.

Karina Chapman: Yep.

Johnny Burke: The people I’ve interviewed, they’ve basically told me that the healing space and the between lives space are one and the same. So were you able to explore this in the sessions with the hypnotist or did they not try to basically trigger that experience or make you enter that space?

Karina Chapman: So I only went into the healing space a couple of times. which again, is in the in-between. It’s even in the Bible, they say, there are many rooms to my father’s house. So I feel there’s the healing room, there’s the akashic records, there’s all sorts of, different areas, but they’re all the same house as in the same realm that we’re in, depending on what our soul needs.

I think that different souls go to different places, and even if you believe in different religions while you’re here, then you need to kind of gain that understanding. So if you were Christian for example, and you expected to see Jesus when you passed, then that would be the first experience you had based on your expectations. If you were atheist, then you wouldn’t see Jesus because you didn’t have a belief in that. You would sort of past that sort of thing and go into something else, which might be a beautiful field with rolling hills and incredible flowers that are in colors that we can’t describe and just feel that peace. Or maybe if you were not a nice person, for example, or treated people really badly, then you would probably go to the healing space first because your soul had been affected by your experiences down on earth. So there’s lots of different ways that we can go into all the different rooms of the creator’s house and such, and nothing’s right or wrong or good or bad.

It just depends on what our soul needs in our journey at that time, and, to help us remember that we are energy, soul form, that’s from the creator and part of the creator. And once you get to that knowledge and that realization, it’s just like that feeling of being welcomed home. Others experience their grandparents or people that have been close to them that have passed that will greet them. So there’s no you know, ‘this is just the way that it happens and that’s it. ‘There are so many different things that can happen depending on our beliefs and what our soul needs at that point in time. To be able to reconcile back to the fact that we are an energy form, that we are continuing on and that, there’s no need to worry, the experience that we chose to be in that lifetime, we then understand why we had that life, or why we even had terrible experiences that were difficult to go through.

The opportunities to learn different things that we’d actually set for ourselves that we want to learn. And in fact, when I was young, I used to think, I know I’m here for a reason, but what is that? Why isn’t there just a big blackboard in the sky saying, Karina, you know, this is what you came to do, dot point, dot point, dot point. I would’ve gone, oh. Perfect. That’s what I need. But of course, if I knew all of that, then I wouldn’t go through the difficult times and learning sessions. And I feel like Earth is a school of learning and you can’t do the cheat sheet and have all the answers first. You only really, truly learn by going through different experiences and then analyzing them after what they meant and how you could learn something new from it and how you could grow.

Johnny Burke: It’s interesting how certain things, certain platitudes that we thought were, you know, maybe even cliches. Everything happens for a reason. God puts certain people in your path. After hearing this type of testimony for the past two and a half years, it actually sounds like those things are true.
How many past lives, do you think you’ve had? Do you have any idea?

Karina Chapman: Yes, actually I do.I got my regressionist to find the answer out for me. And then when I was in soul form in the in-between, I was able to answer, which was 613. A lot more than I thought in my waking life. I thought, I feel like I’ve been here a lot, like I’m an old soul. Maybe 150, maybe 200. I never would’ve thought over 600, but that was the answer. So it must be true. And I’ve experienced quite a lot of them, but obviously not that many yet.

Johnny Burke: You’re going to have to go back for the next 20 years.

so were any of those experiences like off earth and different

Karina Chapman: yes, I,

Johnny Burke: Different galaxies?

Karina Chapman: Yes, there was one particular one that I went to. Yeah. It was incredible actually because it was an experience that we’d never had. It was on a different planet where the form that I was in was I suppose like a silvery blue jelly kind of form that I could change form so I could become a flat puddle, for example, on the ground. Or I could become tall and skinny like a tall lamppost and see further. And there was also collective thought, so I could hear in my mind all the others speaking. And in that particular experience, I knew where Earth was, which was over to the left of our planet and however many light years, and at that point it was known as the blue planet, so it was fully water. There was no physical earth, dirt on there. So it was a long time ago, so I can’t tell you what year.

I wanted to go to a different area of this particular planet that I was on so that I could connect better with the creator. So I had to go further away from the collective voice. So the further distance that I got, the quieter it got in my mind, which then allowed me to connect better with the creator without the noise of the other beings that I was similar to at the time. So that was really interesting. And in fact, the therapist said to me- her name’s Catherine she’s like,” I wish that I’d recorded that!” she said,” that was amazing.” She said, “when you said to me, that you could turn into like a tall lamppost. She goes, “did you feel your fingers moving?” And you know, I did. I sort of felt them, on the chair kind of going like this a little bit. She goes, “I swear your fingers got longer. I’m like, No, really? She goes, I swear I wish that I had recorded that. She goes, I was so shocked.” I was like, wow, that would’ve been really interesting.

So we certainly can be in different forms on different planets and have all sorts of different experiences that we carry through in our soul records in the akashic records, but we are just not actually aware of it in this waking life. And that’s why I’m so interested in connection and I’m a conscious connection expert. So it’s consciously connecting with different people for different reasons, for how you can help them move forward on their path or how, you know, they maybe can impact you on your path. And, making it a positive thing so that we can lift the vibration of and the experiences they’re having here.

Johnny Burke: Okay. One more question about your practice. When you are counseling people as a dating coach, do you ever reveal any of these experiences or is that kept separate from your work life?

Karina Chapman: It depends on the view of the person. I work with some people that just think this is all woo woo, so there’s no benefit to sharing that.

So I might use things like reticular activating system, which is a part of your brain that’s like an executive assistant that helps you notice things that are relevant to you. So I would use that type of analogy for people more than saying, you are on the right sort of vibration as the other. If your vibrations aren’t matching, then the connection can fall away. So it depends on who it is that I’m speaking to as to whether I talk about that and even whether they’ve had that experience.

I know one of my clients I’ve worked with in the past has connected with a guy that she also had a waking vision, of him and her in a past life. so then I would share my experience that it is possible to have a long-term connection in that area. As long as both souls learn whatever it is that they’re supposed to be learning from each other, then they can move forward together. But if they don’t, then the connection will be broken. So, yeah, so when it’s relevant, I will talk about it but if it’s not relevant or its way out of left field, then I don’t talk about that sort of thing because it can be a little bit too much for some people.

Johnny Burke: I would think so. But do you get the feeling that we’re going to be hearing a lot more of this in the future?

Karina Chapman: Yeah, I do actually. I really do. And in fact, my background is in hairdressing years ago, and about 20 years ago, I connected with this client and I very, very rarely will change a client to being a friend. Very rarely. And this girl, we got on well and she’s like, “oh, I know this is a bit weird, but you know, I really want to ask you out for a coffee. “And I thought, Hmm, that is a bit weird. I don’t normally do that, but I just thought, you know what, with this person, yeah, I think I will. And her name was Karen. And so years later she said to me, you know, I just really wanted to be your friend. She goes, and we went out for a coffee, and she thought, Oh, this girl’s a bit woo woo and crazy for me. but I still, I just really wanted to be your friend. And I thought, oh, that’s interesting.

And then I happened to go to a past life where I was in Egypt and this Karen was actually my sister in that past life. And I’d married a guy. I was not a very nice person in that life. I was all about money, beauty, and didn’t care about anything else except myself. Basically married a guy because he was rich. Not because I loved him .And the end of that lifetime she was arguing with me because she’d fallen in love with my husband and was horrified by how little I felt for him and how I treated him. So we were sort of on this embankment having a big argument, and she was so angry that she pushed me, and I fell off the embankment and I got impaled upon these two spikes and died, and one went through my chest and the other through my lower back. I understood then why she really wanted to be my friend, because from that lifetime she felt such horror and guilt that, she’d accidentally killed me. even though I didn’t really seem like the actual type of person that she’d perhaps choose as a friend in this life. So then that made perfect sense to me.

Interestingly too, I had a birthmark right in the center of my chest, where the spike would’ve come through, and I’ve often had pain in my lower back right where the other spike would’ve gone. So, so there can be a bit of memory there that comes out in other lives as well.

Johnny Burke: So you have a birthmark where the spike actually ran through you. That is amazing. I think you have many more stories to tell. So there may be a part two to this, to explore some more of your 613- that’s amazing, 613 past lives. To be continued. Karina, thanks for joining us today. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Karina Chapman: Absolutely, it was a pleasure. So you can look me up on my website, which is karinachapman.com. Anything that you want to say or ask me, I’m always happy to respond. And yeah, it’s all about conscious connection.

#137 Dr. Bruce Kaloski: Past and Parallel Lives

September 2, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Parallel Lives, Past Lives

#ascendedmasters, #dicksutphen, #drbrucekaloski, #maurybernsten, #oversoul, #parallellives, #pastlives, #reincarnation, #retrocausality, #thesearchforbrideymurphy, #yourjourneywasnevermeantoend

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Bruce Kaloski. He’s an internationally recognized leader in the hypnotherapy, motivational psychology, and past life regression disciplines. He’s also the author of Your Journey Was Never Meant To End. Today, we will be talking about past and parallel lives, the multiverse and the possibility of reincarnating into the past. Dr. Bruce, welcome. Welcome back to the show.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Thank you, Johnny. It’s a pleasure to be here as always.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. for those of you that may not have seen Dr. Bruce’s first episode, I believe it was number four, now we’re on number 1 38, I think. So why don’t you, for a refresher, tell us how did you find yourself exploring past lives and reincarnation?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: I grew up in an aviation family on Long Island. and I’m going back to the 1950s. My father was a fighter pilot during the Second World War, he, was one of these I guess you call a Renaissance man. He was interested in everything.

We owned an airport after the war and he used to use hypnosis to help his students pass the flight exams on hypnosis.

And one was a very seminal book, actually what brought reincarnation to the mass public interest, The Search for Bridey Murphy.

Johnny Burke: I remember you telling me that.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah, Maury Bernstein hypnotized a gal, sent her back. She told about her life, she lived in 18 hundreds, Ireland, and I asked him about that, and we discussed it. He believed that he was reincarnated as a World War I fighter pilot who, went down in flames over France, didn’t make it out. I don’t know if he was shut down by the red baron or not, but he was a fighter pilot again in the Second World War. that one, he survived. I got interested in it. and started off doing it, experimenting with my friends and family. I can do this. what do they say? I jumped out of a plane and built my parachute on the way down

Johnny Burke: I don’t remember. Maybe we didn’t talk about hypnotizing, the fighter pilots for the exam, but that makes perfect sense and I’m sure that it’s not the only case of using hypnosis in order to pass any type of exam for that matter. After the first interview, I don’t know where I got this idea, but I had the urge to ask you, is it possible for someone to reincarnate into the past?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah. and I believe it is. I believe it is because the interconnectivity of past president future at all times are one. And we didn’t make this up. A fellow by the name of Albert Einstein believed that he said past, present, future exists simultaneously, and the quantum physicists are beginning to recognize this and do experiments this.

We think of time in a chronological or a linear sense. If this is 2020s, we might have lived previously in the early part of the 20th century, and then before that in the 18 hundreds or 17 hundreds. And that your lives proceed chronologically or linearly in that way. But there’s many who believe, and I’m one of them, that we kind of jump around. Maybe the next life can be back in the 15 hundreds.

Johnny Burke: That would actually be pretty cool if it was possible. And I’ve heard the idea of everything happening all at once. I remember I interviewed a woman her name was Holly Duckworth, and I believe she was a student and perhaps, I guess an acolyte of Dolores Cannon. And she was saying there are no past lives because they all happen at once. It’s as if you could take the scale, like this is, let’s say the Middle Ages. This is the present and it’s basically shifted this way. I don’t really know how to imagine that, but apparently people that have had those experiences with the past life memories and the near-death experiences, they say the same thing about time. It’s not like we know it here.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: And she’s right. I agree with her, but we use that as a term because people can wrap their heads around that. You’re not going to change people to think of simultaneous or even parallel lives although we may discuss it, but we humans live in a world that is chronological in order. That’s a term that serves us; past lives, but it probably really isn’t past lives. I read an excellent article only yesterday. It’s a synchronistic. This would’ve come about from a Nobel Prize winner from University of Cambridge on, how the certain quantum physicists, certain quantum physics experiments might indicate that the present can influence the past on a quantum basis. It’s called a retrocausality. Fascinating article. but again, this is happening on a quantum basis.

Johnny Burke:

I would think so. And I was just about to ask about that, past lives versus parallel lives. I’ve had a variety of people on the show, and we’ve talked about in some cases, dreams where a dream life can present an existence where they experience an environment and people that are familiar, but they’ve never physically been there.

The last time I asked a speaker about that, she said that’s most likely a parallel life. Now, in your work, the past life regression and life between lives, which we’ll discuss in a moment, have you had any instances of someone describing what sounds like a parallel life?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah, all the time and that’s what first introduced me to parallel lives. Parallel lives was a concept that was first introduced by a friend of mine, his name was Dick Sutphen. Dick was one of the big names in this field of reincarnation, past lives. Dick was before Brian Weiss, let me put it this way. Dick was originally an ad man on Madison Avenue, and he wrote a book You Were Born Again To Be Together. And in it he spoke about parallel lives.

The theory behind that, between parallel lives is that I could be living here in Southern California, Huntington Beach, Surf City, USA. But there is also another me, part of my soul who might be living in Timbuktu having a lifetime there. Doesn’t mean we’re the same age, and we could overlap. And this all comes from the concept of the Oversoul. And the theory behind the Oversoul is that we just don’t have one soul. segments of a larger soul unit that all comprise johnny Burke is a part of a, soul unit, an Oversoul. Not to confused with Soul Group, so, there may be hundreds of soul segments or fragments that one is Johnny right now. The other one is, Fred over in Liverpool and who knows?

Johnny Burke: I’ve had this happen actually quite a bit, I’ll be dreaming about something and immediately these people are familiar, the place is familiar, but obviously I’ve never physically been there and I’m thinking, is this my imagination or? And some of the intuitives will say, more than likely, it’s either a past life or like you just explained It’s a parallel life, which I think is really fascinating.

Dr Bruce Kaloski:

I saw that in my practice particularly when I used to do seminars, all day seminars. And I’d take people into several different past life regressions, and they would go back to around the same time period. And then, after the session

I would discuss it with the group, and I’d go around the room and they’d say, “this is weird, this is odd. “They say, “oh, well it was still the 1980s or it was still the 1990s, but then again it was a different place, it was me.”

Johnny Burke: it’s a much different place. What has been your experience, if any, with the multiverse, either with you or with any of your clients?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Well, it could be that what we’re tapping into let’s say, a parallel life, is, life that is ongoing, but in an alternate universe in a different timeline The theory is that at the Big Bang, all these timelines branched off and that, each time you make a particular decision, a major decision in your life, that timeline branches off and establishes a new one, and in effect, another universe or a timeline within another universe. That could be another explanation for parallel lives or the oversoul explanation.

Johnny Burke: it would seem to be somewhat connected. It’s something that’s starting to come up a lot in the interviews. That and Ascension and raising our vibration, it’s, probably a different conversation, but they do tend to come up. in the same discussions. So in your work, obviously you do the past life regression, sessions, which are different from past life readings, or so I’m told. What about the life in between life space? Is it common for readings or not really? ?????

Dr Bruce Kaloski: No, as a past life regression practitioner, it’s not going to happen unless I direct a person towards that. It usually doesn’t happen. It could happen spontaneously in the course of a session where a person will find themselves in the in-between state. But that is a separate session. It’s called a life between lives or between lives. I think Michael Newton coined the term, life between lives. I think he patented that title or copyrighted it. There were other researchers that spoke about our lifetime spent between lifetimes. some people use the term home, the afterlife, what do you do? There are activities that take place between your death in one lifetime and your birth in the next. In that type of session, which is a very popular one by the way, the way I do it, I take the people back the lifetime directly prior to this one. Now I believe time is not linear. So when I take them back, their last lifetime lived could bathe 1930s, 1940s. It could be in the 15 hundreds if we accept the non-linearity of time.

So the last lifetime they lived. A brief overview of that life just to get some, good details and then through the death experience. And then in the in-between state. What happens in the in-between state, they would meet and communicate with their spirit guides, with their soul group, the people that they travel with and the souls that they travel with from lifetime to lifetime and interact with them.

Whoever you happen to believe, do we come here to learn, or we come here just to have experiences. And in the experience, we learn. That’s another topic, the purpose of that or even if there is a purpose. and then, they interact with their soul group. They interact with their spirit guide. They get kind of I use the term loosely report card. This is how you did in this life. This is what you could do better the next time around. They take part in certain activities there. Many believe, and I’ve seen it in my sessions, they go before highly advanced, I guess in the corporate structure of the universe, they would come right under the chairman of the board, and then, that is a council, and we think of them as ascended masters they no longer need to incarnate. and they’re usually in a group, most of the time there’s like three of them. But I’ve had the sessions where there’s been eight or 12 of them, and you go before them. It’s usually right before you’re ready to come into the next incarnation and you have to ask them questions, everybody wants to know, what’s it all about, you know?
What can I be doing? What did I do, should I have done in that previous life? And since all time is one, they also know what’s going on in this life. So what can I be doing better in this life? They may help you plan your coming lifetime. Or you could experience yourself planning your coming lifetime with your soul group or whoever you’re meant to live it with. You’re writing the scripts like a bunch of script writers get together up in Hollywood and write a script.

In a between lives state, you get to see your different choices. Because you do have choices. Let’s say I want to be a female, a buxom blonde that looks like Marilyn Monroe the next time around. Or maybe I want to be a burly truck driver or whatever. I want to live in this part of the world, and you make plans to do that. And who are you going to play these scenes with? Who’s going to be in the movie with you, in other words?

Johnny Burke: It’s amazing that no matter who I ask about this, about the in-between space, the details are obviously going to vary about the mechanics, like you just said, it’s like casting a movie. It happens with every single discussion. You meet your soul group, your soul family.

And you made it sound as if there’s script writers and it’s almost like someone’s your agent and said,” you can play this movie or this movie, but the roles available are this, this, and this.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Exactly. That’s the way it does seem to happen. And you can change the script. we have a friend who’s a writer up in LA, she writes for some of the, shows on tv and a lot of times they’ll send her out on location because they’re going to do a rewrite right there.

So that’s why I personally don’t believe that everything is predetermined. Some of my disagree with me. They believe that your life is predestined. I believe that it’s like a Hollywood script. It is not set in stone. it’s going to follow a certain pattern, but it can be changed.

Johnny Burke: Okay. and I’ve heard both as well. One of the things that came out recently with a medium, and we were talking about the in-between space. She seemed to be under the impression that in order to ascend we have to take on difficult chores, difficult obstacles, difficult lives in order to ascend to the point where we don’t need to come back anymore. Have you seen any instances that would support that or is that not necessarily true?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: I don’t believe it’s necessarily true. I don’t know they have to be so difficult. you may have to fulfill certain tasks. I don’t know if they need to be difficult or they can be difficult, and you can make that choice. I think that we all at some point get to Ascend. Some of us may take longer on the evolutionary scale, the soul evolutionary scale than others. If you look upon it as a learning process, it takes us a little longer. So I got some friends who, excelled all eight years in high school,

Johnny Burke: All eight

Dr Bruce Kaloski: All eight years. So that could be the case. but it takes them a little longer to catch on. But I don’t know that it has to be difficult. I haven’t seen that.

Johnny Burke: I would hope not it just seems like it’s such an unenviable task that you would have to choose a difficult life like suffering is rewarded with ascension. And obviously in my human life, I’m not going to have proof of that, either way, but it’s a question that does come up.

This is the first time I’ve heard the life in between life space described as the afterlife. It’s like you said, it’s the space in between incarnations where we decide if and how we’re going to come back. And is it also mandatory that we have to come back or can we just say, I have had enough, I never want to go back to earth again. I want to go to a different planet. I want to hang out with Prince and David Bowie and John Lennon, just don’t send me back Earth again.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: I think we have that choice, but I think that we ultimately do choose to come back to have a certain experience. I think our consciousness can decide, oh, I never want to see that place again. And then another couple of thousand years says, ‘well, you know, let’s give it another shot’ because remember this now, on an evolutionary or, the scale of the universe-I had this discussion once with someone says, ‘why would I choose to come back as an invalid? Why would I choose to come back incapacitated physically or mentally? I say, you’re looking at it from the wrong perspective. Three score and 10 years biblically allotted; 70 years goes by in the twinkling of an eye like that -you are looking out from your perspective right now. But when you look at the whole timeframe of eternity, that’s nothing. That’s nothing. Why do you choose the old saying, no, no pain, no gain? I don’t know about you, but how many people really love to go to the gym and subject themselves to intense pain, to build their muscles, But they’re doing it with an end result in line.

Johnny Burke: When we speak about experience, the duality thing does come up quite a bit. in order to really understand the murderer, you have to understand the victim, that type of thing, it’s a bit complex just to say the least. It is. And in order to understand that. We have to have the dark. In order to see the light you need dark, right? In order to see light, you need shade, and in order to understand good, you have to understand evil and so on and so forth, because if there were no obstacles, it would be a vanilla life and we wouldn’t learn anything. That’s what it seems like. So what else do we need to really know about the life between lives space, or did we pretty much cover what we need to know?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: I think we’ve pretty much covered it, Johnny- the life between law state. There are certain commonalities and experiences, but they can be different for everybody. the timewise, we think of in earth years, like between incarnations, someone came up with a figure, there’s about 60 to 70 years.

So that means that for 60 or 70 of those earth years you are in some in between state, between but I guess it can happen faster. Because there have been reported cases, particularly if you look at the work of Ian Stevenson, where the soul seemed to come back around within about a year or two. But these are usually people who’ve we to use the term, died before their time, what was their time? violently murdered and they come back again.

Johnny Burke: With your clients, what are some of the experiences that really stick out? That would be like a good teaching point for people that want to learn more about this?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: This is a fairly recent one and she was molested by both her father, and her brother in this life. And we did several different sessions. I did a Karma Connection session with her. It takes her back to the lifetime that is directly responsible for this particular lifetime. And, in the previous life, she was also molested by the same souls, which were then also her father and her brother. So then and the between life state, what she came up with was that she gave them a chance for them to make things right with her. They didn’t take that chance. But that’s not on her. She took that on herself this lifetime and suffered intensely because of that. And then just by going through that experience, she was able to release all of that. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. So she’s not going to let it happen the third time.

Johnny Burke: What are some instances of clients that go back to a past life where they were the bad guy, where they inflicted harm on someone, and how is that related to what they’re experiencing in this life?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Here’s a strange thing about it, I don’t want to call it funny, is that, in our culture, particularly in the Western culture, we are enamored by crime and punishment that probably does not exist within the realm of reincarnation. Who are you punishing? Think about it. What are you punishing? You’re not punishing the body. The body’s gone. So there is no punishment. You may choose your soul, may choose to experience the flip side of the coin, but it’s not being made to experience that as a punishment. Unfortunately, in this case, the people who, who want to see, Hitler punished for his myriad crimes maybe that was just something that, was part of the movie.

Johnny Burke: Part of the movie, it was a role.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: So this particular soul is going to come around this time and be conceived of, as, the most hated man in history, who caused untold misery and harm. But that was just part of the role, just part of the play at the same time there was a whole generation that arose to combat this and brought some very good things into this world too. Spurred on by this particular soul’s evil doing. But then again, the soul didn’t do the evil, the entity or the person that it became did the evil. So I have seen no indication that souls are inherently good or bad.

Johnny Burke: They’re neither inherently good nor bad is what you’re saying?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah, they’re not inherently good and they’re not inherently bad. They just are.

Johnny Burke: The experience, which again goes back to the question about duality, seems to be the most logical explanation, which maybe was part of the movie where they have to experience both the dark and the light. Of course, we’re never going to know that until we all cross over.

For the takeaways from this, what are the most important ones for the clients and just for the rest of us who are curious about, what really happens to us when we die and what happens next?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: I think the takeaway of something like this is that, we probably have a multitude of choices in the lifetimes that we’re going to experience. And I think it all comes down to experience. We get to choose what we wish to experience from lifetime to lifetime. I believe that we can choose to have that experience chronologically in different timeframes if that would suit us. If we resonate with the roaring twenties, the 1920s, we can get to go back there and, and live it again.

Johnny Burke: That that would be very interesting,

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Maybe not as the same person, maybe as a different person.

Johnny Burke: And the experience doesn’t have a lot to do with how that’s going to benefit not only that one soul, but for the soul group as well ?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: It benefits the Soul Group again. One of the reasons that people posit about not being able to be kind to the past is the fact that then you’d have to get the whole Soul group together and to agree on something like this.

Johnny Burke: Have to agree on it.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah, Uncle Harry’s going to say, no, I’ve been there, done that. I don’t want to go back there again. You go back there again. So then that has to be worked out. So, maybe that’s where parallel, alternate universes come into. Or maybe you get to say, ‘okay, well Uncle Harry, then I don’t need you this
time around. You go on your vacation. You go to Jamaica; I’m going to go to Hawaii. and we’ll see each other when we get back.

Johnny Burke: Exactly.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: as an analogy.

Johnny Burke: Well, speaking of analogies, the one that I remember the most was an audio book that was written by the Long Island Medium, believe her name is Theresa Caputo, and she said,

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: She said, “life is like an episode of Saturday Night Live; everyone changes characters and costumes, but at the end of the night, everyone hugs. And that’s very consistent with what we’ve been talking about, with the movie and the cast and what’s available, what roles are available.

Dr Bruce Kaloski: That’s why I said that a soul is neither good nor bad. I like to watch old movies. Humphrey Bogart’s, one of my favorite actors, Bogart has played saints and he’s played sinners. But that doesn’t mean Bogey was that in the real life.

Johnny Burke: All right, anything else that we should know on the topic?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: No, I believe we are going to tell people where to reach me and I have had people say, well, how can I learn how to do this? And I do personally teach this on a one-on-one basis. I am also in the process of creating, hopefully have this by the end of the summer an online downloadable on demand program that people can access and learn how to do this through past life regression.

Johnny Burke: Wow. Okay. I will definitely put that in the show notes as well. So, Dr. Bruce, thanks again for coming back. Great information as always. Speaking of which, how can our listeners find you online?

Dr Bruce Kaloski: Very simply at www.drkaloski.com

#136 Adi Kanda: Past Life Readings and Interpersonal Healing

August 26, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives

#adikanda, #masteralignment, #pastlifereadings, #pastlives, #propheticdream, #soulfamily, #transpersonalhealing, #worldwithoutfear

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I am Johnny Burke, today’s guest is Adi Kanda. She is an intuitive author and founder of the World Without Fear Community. Adi receives vibrationally active transmissions in written form and offers cellular level attunements via detailed past life readings. Today we will be discussing the meaning found within karmic transpersonal Healing. Adi, welcome to the program.

Adi Kanda: Thank you for having me, Johnny.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Now, you seem to have many different intuitive skills. one thing looks like perhaps automatic transmission or should I say automatic writing and also past lives. What came to the surface first for you?

Adi Kanda: It was, receiving through written word. I describe it as an intuitive awakening because it was spontaneous, it was not something cultivated or expected in any way. I do want to honor some work that I had done previous to that Awakening, which is a body of work called master alignment.

And I received an attunement, in that body of work in 1998. And then in January of 2000, I was studying Jung at the time, and I was keeping a dream journal literally right beside my pillow. I found if I even got up to pee, I’d forget half the dream. And I really wanted to remember all of it. So I had the journal in the pen right there, and I woke up one morning and there were pages of really exquisite poetry in the journal that I had no memory of writing at all. It was not necessarily a happy experience for me. I was shocked and I’ve never had any experience like it. And I have to admit, I actually felt a little violated and I felt like someone had come into my bedroom and put something in my book, my private space.

So, I called a very dear friend of mine who’s since passed, but she was kind of my feminine soulmate, we were very close and so I felt comfortable sharing with her. She got really excited and said, “oh, this is amazing. This sounds like something’s coming through you. “And I thought, well, “easy for you to say. It didn’t come through you.”

Johnny Burke: All right.

Adi Kanda: And so she said, “well, let’s try and experiment. Let’s see if you can do it again. “And she said,” let’s see if we can tell where it’s coming from; I’ll ask a question and you see if you can hold that question and get an answer for me, and then we’ll know it’s guidance.” And I said, ‘well, you know, I know everything about you. “And she said, “actually, you don’t”. So she said,” I’ll ask a question that has to do with something that you actually don’t know.”

We’ve been friends for 15 years, so I was a bit surprised by that. But so she asked a question, the next night it repeated, and this time it was very specifically for her. I had trouble reading my handwriting because it was in the dark. I was writing over top of my own writing and that troubled me at first, but I found when I relaxed my own resistance to the process, I could see what was there. And I have a very vivid memory of that day being on the phone and reading to her what I had received, because it didn’t make sense to me. They were beautiful words, but I didn’t understand them. And she just started to sob on the phone, and I said,” what? What?” and she said, “well, you know, not only did you answer my question, but you’ve just shown me that I’m not alone because you didn’t know anything about this. So if you can now tell me this, it means I’m seen, it means I’m heard, it means I’m understood.”

Johnny Burke: That’s really, really amazing. First of all, that sounds. like it’s an instance of channeling, is it possible that your dream journal actually triggered or initiated your intuitive path? Is that possible?

Adi Kanda: the way I look at it is more that I was in between dream and waking state, and in that space, I think artists, musicians, those who bring through sacred writings understand that state, and it is a state of openness that bypasses the conscious mind, and I think that was really what was important.

Also, I’m a writer, so that is my way of expression. I’ve been a writer since I was three years old, began writing poetry at three, and so I think source. It comes to us often in a way that is a match for us, and that is something, it’s a door we can open. And for me that was the written word.

Johnny Burke: When you were young, because you’ve been writing since you were three. Usually children don’t start writing until they’re like six or seven. Did you have any instances of psychic phenomena or seeing spirits, anything like that when you were young?

Adi Kanda: I would describe my childhood as one of getting used to embodiment. I was, a very, very sensitive child and found. Simply being a human, a foreign experience. That’s my predominant memory of my childhood. I did spend time out of my body. I do remember sitting in the tree outside my bedroom window. I had, powerful dreams including, recurring nightmare that I had for about 10 years, almost every single night That I think was an embodiment nightmare of like Alice in Wonderland, shrinking down to a tiny, tiny, tiny spot and then expanding into a massive size and then at all recurring over and over again. So I think what was more interesting in my childhood is that my mother had a powerful prophetic dream that I was going to be injured I was a cheerleader. I was 12. Going to a, a football game, just a local, little community game. And she didn’t want me to go because she had a dream that I was seriously injured, and I was wearing red and my cheerleading uniform was red. And she and my grandmother literally stood in front of the door trying to block me to say, “you can’t go to the game. Your mother had a dream. “And I was 12. And I said,” I’m not staying home because my mother had a dream. And so I left, and she sent my father to tail me without my knowledge, and he sat in the stands and watched me have a terrible fall and break both of my arms, very badly at the same time. the poor man, he didn’t deal with blood or things like that lightly. So I’d say that the tendency toward that openness, is something that ran in my soul family.

Johnny Burke: in the bloodline. You just mentioned soul family, does that have anything to do with, the past lives and perhaps the life between life space, or is that a different descriptor?

Adi Kanda: my understanding, I speak from what I know. I would say that the experience of being in between lives is one that varies from individual to individual and our transitioning and our experience of transitioning has as much to do with our karmic journey as our living days do. And so, that can vary a lot. And sometimes the patterning, which is a phrase I use in my body of work quite frequently, that patterning, that archetypal patterning is not something we fully leave behind, that we can bring with us and do bring with us lifetime after lifetime. And so it can play out in between worlds to the degree that it is my belief that to some extent we generate our experience in between worlds in the same way that we generate our lives.

Johnny Burke: And we will get to that, no doubt. Let’s go back to automatic writing. The first thing that comes to mind is, and you might want to check this out, a woman named Gates McKibben, did an episode on the show a while back, and she described her experience very similar to yours and she basically called herself a scribe for spirit. It might be slightly different because you don’t remember even writing these accounts.

Adi Kanda: That first one I didn’t, and I now receive in a much more present state than in the early days because I’ve received thousands and thousands of transmissions over 25 years. So I am now able to access much more readily, but it came to me in that way spontaneously. Yes.

Johnny Burke: So is that automatic writing or is it something else?

Adi Kanda: as I understand automatic writing, that is simply a way to bypass, again, the conscious mind and to open to interdimensional, experience. So, I’m not opposed to that word. I generally refer to the writings as transmissions.

I refer to my process as receiving, and I now receive in spoken word as well.

I also bring through energy healings and attunements as well. So I feel it is one stream of energy. It’s just finding its way to express through me.

Johnny Burke: Right. And some people might call it channeling, some people might call it something else. It’s a source. It’s a source you’re tapping into it.

Adi Kanda: I think the distinction I observe between what I do in channeling is that, and of course there’s all gradations of that as well, but for example, there’s a wonderful gentleman who lives not far from me here in Toronto, and he’s a trance channeler. So if you have a reading with him, he literally disappears.

He falls asleep, he begins to snore, he’s lying back in a lazyboy, and then he suddenly wakes up and he’s a completely transformed human being with a different accent, a different presence. That is not me. I am still present, certainly now I’m very present. I am aware. So for example, when I do past life readings,

I am speaking what I am being shown. And to some extent, it’s almost like I’m watching a movie I am seeing a lot of visuals and at times I’m also being given very specific language or even phonetic words because sometimes there are words that are not in my vocabulary or my knowledge, and those will be given to me phonetically.

Johnny Burke: So would those experiences qualify as both Clair audient and clairvoyant?

Adi Kanda: I would think so because I also received music as well. I went through quite a period of time where I received dozens and dozens of musical transmissions. And they would come with language, with word, with rhythm, and with melody and with harmony, often layers and layers. My closest associate that I’ve found going through history is Hildegard Van Bingham. I strongly identify with her experience. I don’t know if you’re familiar with her, but

Johnny Burke: I remember you did ask me about that before.

Adi Kanda: She’s a cool lady.

Johnny Burke: I’ll have to put that in the notes for people that might want to reference that. So that’s really, really interesting. So these transmissions, do you have any clue other than an attribution to source, do you have an idea who is giving you this information or what is giving you this information?

Adi Kanda: That’s a really good question and it’s one I’m asked quite often, in particular by clients. And it’s an interesting thing, because I know very often, so Esther Hicks identifies as a particular body of spirit presence that comes to her. for some reason I am not particularly curious. I don’t feel a need to identify, if someone asks, I will and I find that that varies a lot. So occasionally, a guide will make themselves known. But more often than not, for me, it is a state of absolute presence with a stream, a direct stream of energy. I did have a soul recovery, for myself with a Shaman once.

And, this particular experience was one of where we lay on the ground, there’s the drumming, and then we lay and her hand was on mine and we both had our visions and then we shared them after the experience and both of us saw the exact same thing, which was, a fan of beings like fanning out behind me, going off over the horizon into infinity of hundreds and hundreds and thousands and thousands of all different kinds of beings, you know, including animal beings and plant beings. And so I feel I draw from that place, and it really depends upon the need in the moment.

Johnny Burke: Those beings that you just referred to, and I think you also mentioned guide. Do you think those beings were spirit guides? Because I’ve been told that spirit guides can be human in form and many of them are animal spirit guides.

Adi Kanda: Yes, absolutely. absolutely. So there was one particular body of work in terms of a group of transmissions, of which I’m very fond, which came to me in a very special way, which I was invited to offer support to a family, with a little girl who’d been abducted.

And they were as you can imagine; they were looking probably for Sylvia Brown. You know, they were looking for someone who could say, this is what’s happened, and this is where she is, and we can find her. I am not a psychic and that is not my work. My work is of the soul path and the soul journey. But I was able to bring through information that was very meaningful to them, and they immediately recognized her, and they recognized her communications. And so I spent about a month and a half with her family, until her body was finally found. and it was a really life-changing experience for me because of my own patterning, which is something we can get into later, if you wish.

So I asked for a name, in honoring the privacy of her parents. I asked her to give me a name to call her, and she said,’ call me Una. ‘And then I shared that with her parents. She and her mom said, “oh, that’s my sister’s name, her favorite aunt. She loves, she adores her”. So, but these transmissions from Una are very specific to her. And I can recognize that Una transmission stands out very distinctly from the others. and primarily the transmissions I’m speaking to are actually ones that took place after her transition because they changed dramatically. I’ve done many transmissions from the deceased. And this is one thing we see is that universally, while we do continue our karmic journey, and we do bring our stuff with us to some degree, we are immediately released from the bondage of our human blindness.

And so there is a higher nature that comes through in these transmissions.

It’s very beautiful. And for Una, it was her last lifetime. And she shared this, and she was a very unusual child. Her family they were atheist, an Asian family, atheists, and but she had a picture of Christ on one wall, on Buddha, on the other. And she had her own rituals and prayers that she did just of her own accord. So, it makes sense to me that this was the last lifetime for her. That’s a full story around that.

Johnny Burke: Right. Interesting. So how did she know it was her last lifetime? Cause that’s not the first time I’ve heard that either.

Adi Kanda: well, she told me specifically in the transmissions that came after her passing; like she did not die immediately. She was abducted and she was alive for a period of time until her passing. On the day I was receiving from her daily to share with her parents, and on the day of her passing, I sat to receive from her as I always did, and she appeared in a lotus posture, and she was actually levitating. She was hovering in mid-air, and she just said,” I’d ascended.”

Johnny Burke: really.

Adi Kanda: And I said, ” no, you got to give me more than that. “Her parents are waiting, you know? And, she just said, “I have ascended, I have ascended, I have ascended.” And that’s all she would say. And then later she communicated, she was in process at that time and not open to communicating. And later she shared that she had specifically chosen the experience that she did in order to complete her journey, which I think is very important when we talk in these realms; you know, when we’re so fascinated by transpersonal experiences. To me, what’s so important is the why. Like, what is the meaning within even these experiences that we don’t understand. So she was very clear about that.

Johnny Burke: Now, do you still get transmissions from her?

Adi Kanda: I can if I ask, I haven’t in a while.

Johnny Burke: Can you ask her if this is my last lifetime? I hope it is. I don’t want to come back here. I want to go to a planet with supermodels and hang out with David Bowie and Prince, and I’m not coming back to this third dimension hell hole! Just kidding -actually I’m not kidding, but that’s probably a story for another day.

Adi Kanda: That’s actually a really good point though. If I may, I can answer your question because this has been spoken to in a number of the transmissions and you’re not going to like the answer. And the answer is that when we are still in a place of saying, “I want to leave, get me out of here”, we are not done . When we reach a point of absolute presence and surrender to all that is, then we may be ready at any moment.

Johnny Burke: So no planet Zadar in the immediate future, I guess. All right. That’s fine.

Adi Kanda: Well, that would be up to you.

Johnny Burke: Of course it is. Now, before I forget, you mentioned that you had contact with several people that have transitioned. That sounds like something a medium would do, but at the same time, you’re, I guess, avoiding the label, or positioning yourself as a medium. Is that true?

Adi Kanda: That is correct. I have had experiences of mediumship and I don’t enjoy them. It’s spontaneous. I heard one of your other guests reference this, who does past life readings, that sometimes someone will show up if it’s very important and in other words, what I think of as mediumship is an actual presence coming into me, inhabiting me and speaking through me. I prefer to keep my own field for myself, so I don’t enjoy that sense of it. But if we were to, for example, say mediumship is simply the process of receiving a communication, then I guess that you could use that word.

I also simply refer to them as transmissions from the deceased or letters from the deceased. And part of that is because while they come in the voice of the individual, and I’ve been told this over and over again, they will use words that that individual used, phrasing, languaging, for example, I just shared on my social media today, a transmission I’d received from George Floyd cause it’s the third anniversary of his passing a few weeks ago, and I received it a few weeks after he transitioned. And so, you can tell that languaging is not mine, it’s his languaging. But it is also, there is a flavor again of the, the journey of the soul.

So there’s nothing random about it. It’s not just chitchat. It is. A very deep, high frequency communication from the higher nature of this individual, very often expressing something they may not have been anywhere near capable of expressing in this life.

So it’s very different work from the work of some of the Hollywood psychics -they’re all about the identifying facts. Which is amazing to me, but my work is quite different from that.

Johnny Burke: So do you think that being able to contact people that have, passed over, transitioned; Does it give your clients some comfort knowing that, once we die in this lifetime it’s not over, we keep coming back until we’ve done our work. Do you think that brings them comfort?

Adi kanda: Oh, absolutely. I think transmissions from the deceased and their own past life stories bring that element because I love it most of all when I don’t know that the individual at all, they’re brand new to me and that’s the joy of it. They may want to start telling me their story and I’ll say,” No, don’t. Because you’re going to enjoy this much more if you know that I know nothing. And then they’re going to see that this isn’t me. “This is something, a much larger purpose and vision. And I think Johnny, part of that depends upon our worldview, right? And where we’re going to, where we come from in our worldview. And to me, the understanding that this dimension is purposefully dualistic. Is really important so that our suffering is not random. There’s nothing random about it or unintentional about it. Even the most difficult, difficult things. And that’s not easy to digest, but I believe it is. So, and, and that we are not here to eliminate duality. We are here to alchemically, transform our relationship to it. And that’s a very different thing. I don’t believe that this earth is a place that will ever be without dualistic references because that’s our gift, that’s our catalyst.

Johnny Burke: Right,we learn from the obstacles. And I was just talking with someone an hour ago about this, where the people that trigger you or the things that trigger you, that’s a sign that is something you need to work on, not avoid it.

Adi Kanda: Exactly.

Bingo.

Johnny Burke: It’s something that I’ve heard, quite a few times. and one of my speakers came up with a brilliant quote. She said, ” if you’re interested in this world, she’s a medium, this one particular woman. You have to basically unlearn almost everything you’ve been taught. ” It’s pretty scary if you think about it, but,

Adi Kanda: Another way to look at it would be to remember what we have always known. I think that is also true.

Johnny Burke: let’s talk a little bit about your work with past life readings.

Past life readings and past life regression are Not necessarily the same thing are they?

Adi Kanda: They’re not at all the same thing. In my experience, that’s absolutely true. Past life regression, the individua is brought into a trance state of their own. And they are calling forward memories. for my work, it’s called the Kore process Kore with a k. I am bringing through the reading and the lifetime and it’s recorded so that the individual has that as a tool to work with. And for me it’s called the Kore process because it is a process. It’s the pillar of a process and a body of healing work that unfolds over a matter of months or years.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Now in these readings, with the past lives, I believe you mentioned earlier that you can view them almost as if you’re viewing a movie.

Is it very much the same thing with the sitter, the client, or is it maybe a little bit different?

Adi Kanda: It’s extremely variable. It will depend upon the patterning of the recipient, where they are in their journey, their receptivity, their degree of anxiety in that moment. So the more open an individual is, the easier my process is, and I will share this with someone as we begin that if they can put aside whatever is in the way in this moment, it will really assist the process. It’s the most common thing I hear from folks immediately after one of these readings is, ‘you just told me my whole life. ‘So generally, what I should say is, so the stories that are given to me, the past life stories, the lives that are chosen are lives that are very purposefully relational to where we are right now.

So it’s a life that is available to us as a template to be laid over time of our present moment experience, kind of a user’s manual, that opens the door to making sense of everything that we are experiencing now, knowing that these central, these core central patterns we have lived over and over and over again.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that many times. The lives that come up are the ones that are typically relevant to what is going on right now

Adi Kanda: It’s in service of our consciousness,

Johnny Burke: Now, in these sessions, have you traversed into the what is called the in between or the life in between lives space with either you and or your clients?

Adi Kanda: Only in so much as they may be guided about that particular lifetime. So they may have, information given that, for example, their death was traumatic. in these particular readings that I offer, there is almost always a death.
It’s a survival level fear. And when we do transition, we often imprint things that we can take with us. And so, In that experience, if that death was highly traumatic, for example, or if there is a guilt patterning or a patterning of attachment of some kind, then that individual might hear that that transition was not easy for them and that they were not able to leave, for example, the scene of their death for several weeks, or that they had a particular process to go through.

There was one story that came to mind of a man who was hung during the witch trials in England and as he was hung, he experienced a separation, a sort of a split, in his energy body. And so a part of him ascended and a part of him was stuck. So that kind of information is given as it is relative to where we are now. So for him, he’s being shown an opportunity to work with this part of him that lives with a division within him. Part of him that knows his wisdom and his higher nature and a part of him that’s very much entwined with trauma.

Johnny Burke: Okay. in these instances, in these readings rather, have you come across any souls or beings that did not cross over are kind of stuck here?

Adi Kanda: No,

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Adi Kanda: can’t say I have. There was only one that came to mind and, but it was, how to describe it. It was a very unusual reading. It was very difficult reading. It was not easy for the individual to receive. It was unlike any of the others. So, but I would say that the vast, vast majority.

Now the other thing, Johnny, is the kind of individual who is seeking this kind of information, right? Someone who comes to me, and particularly the core work because it’s not, it’s not entertainment. There’s an attunement that comes along with these readings and that attunement. initiates a cleansing of the primary of that primary fear-based pattern.

And so, it initiates a journey, a cleansing that is really, it’s comparable to plant medicine and its intensity. So do the individuals who are called to this work and who tend to say yes are individuals who are very dedicated and already have done quite a bit of work, and there’s a certain fluidity in their process.

I don’t know if that applies, but

Johnny Burke: I think it does. Now you mentioned Kore and Kore stories. How are the core stories related to the past lives that your clients had or is it not necessarily related?

Adi Kanda: I use that term to describe the story given in the reading. So the reading is me telling a story, there was a little child, and this child was you, and they were standing on a ship, and it was during this era, and they were wearing such and such and this had just happened to them. That is their story. That is their Kore story.

Johnny Burke: Got it. Okay. All right. So with these readings, I always ask this, what’s the farthest back in time that you or your client has had a past life?

Adi Kanda: It’s not uncommon to have very primitive tribal cultures, which is interesting to me. and I’d done one reading, which certainly seemed Atlantean. I’ve done one that was, one that was definitely an extraterrestrial experience, that was very unusual and difficult. That’s the one I referenced before.

I’m really blessed. The guides I work with are very kind, they’re very loving and they know to whom they are speaking, so they tend to give a story that is accessible to an individual so that they can see themselves in it, because this is the purpose of it. But I think the reason that it’s common to get primitive tribal cultures is that we’re really being shown the beginning of when this patterning how it began to play out in a fairly simple way. And a lot of it also frequently preindustrial revolution because the more we get entangled with machines, the more distanced we become from these really primal elements of spirit. So

Johnny Burke: Very true.

Adi Kanda: I think that’s also why,

Johnny Burke: That’s a very good point. Now let’s talk about the organization you started. World Without Fear. What inspired the name?

Adi Kanda: To me it is a vision. It holds a vision of the purposeful nature of the body of work as a whole. And, I would say that if there’s one theme that spans all of the thousands and thousands of transmissions of all different kinds and past life stories that I’ve received, it is that it’s not as complicated. It’s not nearly as complicated as we make it. And if we are willing to recognize that, we can either hold a frequency of love or we can hold a frequency of fear, and that we do have a choice in this matter in our human world, we go beyond into absolute oneness. We’re beyond choice, but in three dimensions, it’s all about choice. In the three-dimensional world, it’s all about choice. everything we’ve ever wanted, lives on the other side of our fear.

The thing is I don’t see the ego as a bad guy at all. I see ego as just a name we’ve given to an expression of our fear. And so through ego, we’ve learned to survive, and we needed it for our survival. We’ve learned how to protect ourselves, how to put on our armor of various kinds. So, our journey, once we reach this level where we’re having this kind of conversation, and we are ready to unpack, we’re ready to know, to remember, then we are ready to begin looking at the fear that we put away a long, long time ago. And we put it under the floorboards. We nailed it down. We put a carpet on top. We did not want to know it was there.

So my work through these kore readings is to assist individuals in pulling back the curtain on these things that are so difficult for us to see in ourselves. We really need to work in collaboration with others, and that’s why we also do groups with this modality because we can see in others what we can’t see in ourselves so much. I’m you’ve experienced that.

Johnny Burke: Yeah, very true. So in other words, it sounds like processing fear brings us closer to love. With all these different people that I’ve talked to about this, love just seems to be like the common denominator, which is where we want to be, right?

Adi Kanda: It’s, a frequency. I think when I really sort of came to understand what that meant, I always thought of love as action or emotion. And certainly that as a frequency, it can express through action and emotion, but it is a state of being. And the only thing that is in the way of that is our fear and our fear of our fear even more so. So we can actually witness our fear and take its power away, even as it still exists, so long as we’re not afraid of it. That’s where the work gets really exciting, and very visceral and helps us understand the patterns, the archetypal patterns that may have driven us as long our whole life. Well, they will have driven us our whole life long. Imagine a world populated by beings who are no longer afraid of their fear and are willing to take responsibility to own who they are and their actions and to release their attachment to these fear-based actions and patterning. And that’s the world I’m envisioning.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like a great world indeed. Hopefully we get there. I don’t know if it’s going to be in this lifetime, but, definitely something to aspire to. Anything else that we should know on this topic?

Adi Kanda: I would say the overarching word to assist us in this process is trust with an uppercase t .And when we reach a point in our journey where we’re able to stand in trust of even our most difficult experiences, especially our most difficult experiences, and we’re ready to walk toward them knowing they are the illusory gift of our karmic patterning, then everything changes. Absolutely everything changes, and we never look back. The world never looks the same again. We’re never without tools, no matter how dark it gets. And no matter how strong the oppositional energies are on the planet, they’re very, very strong right now. Very, very heightened. Because the collective consciousness is cleansing that which has been unseen, that which is under the floorboards, it’s all being brought up. So to be in trust of the entire picture is so valuable.

Johnny Burke: So the collective consciousness does seem to be trending upward, right?

Adi Kanda: Absolutely, it’s challenging because of our patterns, we tend to, attach to or be drawn to what we see as dark, as shadow, as fear. But the consciousness, I believe, has never been higher on the planet. And the dark is fighting for its life. That’s why it’s so vocal and so vivid.

Johnny Burke: But because of the duality, don’t we need the dark in order to see the light? without the dark, we wouldn’t have anything

Adi Kanda: yeah.

Johnny Burke: get any contrast, any context.

Adi Kanda: Yeah, it’s absolutely, so and there will always be contrast. So for example, death, we’re all afraid of death. Most of us, the vast majority of us, are afraid of death. And, I believe why we have it. Hot, cold, young, old health, disease, every contrast we experience holds a gift within it, and I do believe we will always have all of that so long as we are in 3d. I’m very interested in where we go collectively once we have alchemically transformed beyond our need for those dualistic practices. But there’s certainly, I think, lots of work still to be done.

Johnny Burke: I would say there’s a lot of work to be done. You said most of us are afraid of death. So you’re, admitting that there’s a small population that has some insight that is no longer afraid of death. Is that true?

Adi Kanda: I believe so, I certainly, my experience of, for example, families that have been raised in the Buddhist tradition. The understanding that we live many lives is just so inherent to everything about their faith, that of course, they’re going to see this very differently than families who may believe that that’s it, you know, that was it. One life and were done.

Johnny Burke: Terrible.

Adi Kanda: I’ve also had that, yeah. I’ll say.

Johnny Burke: It is, isn’t it? It’s so depressing.

Adi Kanda: I knew a young man who worked for a funeral parlor, and he would pick up bodies from recently deceased people in their homes. And he said the contrast in what he witnessed in the different faiths was extraordinary. And he said it was a marked difference with individuals such as Buddhist. But I would also say that I’ve had the honor of being a death doula, I would say a few times. It’s been called to circumstances where I assisted a soul in transitioning . For me in that all fear left, all fear left in those experiences. There was nothing but beauty and nothing, but absolute trust and I believe that is available to all of us.

We don’t need to be deep, deep students of any one spiritual tradition. We are simply asked to surrender to the knowledge and the support that’s they’re waiting for us at any time.

And when we know that we are held, as my friend said, when we know we are seen, then what is there to fear? We’re simply returning home.

Johnny Burke: I’m going to stop right there because there’s no way I can ever top that. Adi thanks so much for joining us today. Excellent, excellent information. How can our listeners find you online?

Adi Kanda: Well, it’s my pleasure Johnny, and my website is WorldWithout fear.org. That’s the easiest way to find me. I’m also on sub stack ,you can find my writings there. That’s adikanda.substack.com

#134 Pamela Aloia: Connecting To The Other Side

August 12, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Afterlife, Past Lives

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Pamela Aloia. She is an energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and teacher. Her work helps clients understand how w they’re affected by energy and how to clear emotional and mental clutter. Today we’ll be talking about her experiences meeting people from the other side, connecting with past lives, and working with angels. Pamela, welcome to the program.

Pam Aloia: Thank you very much for having me. I’m excited to be here Johnny,

Johnny Burke: Excellent. so I’m thinking that when I look at :energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and all of your experience- the energy healing, did that experience come first or was there something else before that?

Pam Aloia: It was the energy healing, at least that I remember consciously.I was having a lot of physical issues and while I was receiving some feedback and some help from traditional medicine with medication and things like that, it wasn’t enough. I found that when I went to some of the alternative therapies, that energy work was the best thing that gave me about 75% of relief from my symptoms, and I was able to go off some medication from it.

So once I realized that energy healing was a thing and it was real, I really just jumped into it with both feet and figured, okay, I got to learn as much as I possibly can about this, and share it with as many people who are open to it.

Johnny Burke: And it seems at least from my experience, that the energy healing seems to be like a starting point for many, many of an intuitive path. Do you find the same thing? Yeah.

Pam Aloia: Yeah, it is a common occurrence to get people onto a different way of thinking about things and viewing things. I think a lot of folks that I speak to start to realize that they were looking at things so linearly and so 3D-ish that we are so ingrained on getting the symptoms of our physical issues resolved when we don’t always realize that our physical issues could be associated with emotional issues or mental issues or constructs that we’ve either been ignoring or have been programmed within us that we don’t even realize that they’re there.

Johnny Burke: And can we assume that your entry into the world of energy healing, and everything that comes with that, is that how you discovered past lives and spirit guides and things like that?

Pam Aloia: It is, through deep meditation. I learned that meditation got me through some of my discomfort physically with some of the symptoms that I had been having, and it also brought me an inner awareness about myself. And then about guides, angels and those who have passed and everything else that goes along with that.

Johnny Burke: And it’s quite a vast universe, if that’s even the right term. It’s probably more like a galaxy or several galaxies. I know a lot of us are still trying to figure that out. So,

Pam Aloia: tTrue.

Johnny Burke: What really comes first? We have past lives, angels, spirit guides, and other types of beings. Did this kind of all hit you all at once or was it little by little?

Pam Aloia: With the meditation, I found that I was able to understand more about Angels and guides. Now, I grew up Catholic, so I always believed that we had guardian angels with us. Anyhow. I just assumed they were with us, but never really did anything to try and feel them other than pray. So the more I did the meditation though, I felt like I could open up doorways that I hadn’t opened up before.

So I was aware of different changes in energy and started to do some conscious meditations to learn who my guides were, learn who my angels were, and connect with other spiritual beings too. Yeah. So I would say that probably came first, and then the next thing that happened for me was connecting with past loved ones. And that was sort of by accident for me.

The first, relative of mine who I would say she connected with me because it was my grandmother. I had, I guess, received some of her furniture and had it in my home, and it was just in one room in the home. And after a while of having it in the home, I would go into that room and I would feel her. When you have furniture or heirlooms or things like that, you’re going to feel the person’s energy, that’s part of the reason why you take it, is because you want to feel and stay close to that person. This was more than that. I actually started avoiding that room because I knew she was there. I had a feeling she was there and growing up, this wasn’t something we talked about. I didn’t think I was going crazy. I knew what I knew, but I didn’t know who to talk to about it so that I could feel more secure in it. And finally one day I was outside doing some yard work. And this is months going by now, months gone by. I know my grandmother’s there. I know she wants to talk to me, and I just keep avoiding the situation. So I’m doing some yard work and I’m taking a break. And I feel my uncle, my uncle who’s also passed, he’s never come through to move before or since, by the way, he came in, he said, clear as day”you know, someone wants to talk to you. “And I said, yes, “yes, I know. “And I said,” but I’m not sure I want to talk to her.” and she said,

Johnny Burke: Were you scared ?

Pam Aloia: I wasn’t scared at all. There was no fear whatsoever. I knew he was coming from a loving place. and I think it was time. I know I had ignored it long enough. I said, finally, “Okay, I’ll make some time later on today and I’ll sit with her. “And I did. And then that kind of opened the doors for other folks to come through. People I knew, people I didn’t know.

Johnny Burke: Now when you commune, I guess is the right word, with people that have passed over, What kind of insights come at you right away? Are they happy? Are they sad? Does it vary? I’ve heard lots of different accounts on that.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. To me it varies on how long the person, and that’s not always true either. So, it depends on how the person is transitioning to the other side. Sometimes it depends on how long they’ve been over there too. Initially, some folks take a little bit of time to some folks took a very long time to transition. I had a mentor of mine whose husband had died, and she claimed it took him 20 years to come to her and accept that she was trying to connect with him for all of those 20 years. But he had lived a life that he was ashamed of. And he came to her 20 years later and said, ‘you know, all the work that you’ve done, the forgiveness work, the love you’ve sent me has definitely helped me grow on the other side.’

And then I’ve talked to people who, come to me and ask to connect with somebody who’s passed, some people just want to know they’re Again, sometimes depending on how quickly it’s been, some folks are still transitioning, and finding it interesting exploring what it is to be on the other side. and others are just totally, ‘Whoa, this is great. We love it’. You know, ‘don’t call us too many times’, you know?

Johnny Burke: Don’t call us?

Pam Aloia: If we’re having fun.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that. Other mediums have told me that when a person passes initially, it takes them time to learn how to communicate with living people that are still here on Earth. And speaking of mediums, I noticed that you don’t use that term, even though by definition you are a medium. Because if you can talk to the dead, that’s how it’s usually described. Do you consciously avoid that label or,

Pam Aloia: I may consciously avoid that. I think part of that is because to be. People who have crossed over and are able to connect with those folks as well as spiritual beings. To me, it’s all the same. it’s a different vibration If you can tap into the different levels of vibration, so to me, it’s more than mediumship. I don’t really segregate the two. I could. I will admit secondarily, I think part of the mediumship, to me is, growing up, again, this was not something that you talked about very often, and if someone was a medium, they were automatically, kind of pushed aside, you know, dismissed, so I think part of that is in there too if I’m honest.

Johnny Burke: As a young person, were you able to see spirits and have psychic phenomena, psychic experiences at all?

Pam Aloia: Not that I recall. Not that I recall, no. The, closest I feel I’ve gotten to a spiritual experience as a young person was in second grade when I really started to have a fabulous relationship with Mother Mary growing up Catholic. I don’t recall anything specific. I do remember being in completely enamored with the apparitions with Wars of Fatima,And really was sucked into that story for years. I still am. I think it’s a fascinating story all the times that she’s appeared in places.

Johnny Burke: So on the subject of Angels and Guides, for one thing, I think some folks do kind of get them confused. Can you give us some clarity on that, if it’s possible? They are different. And I’ve been told that angels have never been on Earth whereas guides are usually people that have lived here and then passed on.

Pam Aloia: And, that is my understanding too. So the angels, again, it’s a different vibration. The angels vibrated, I would say a higher vibration, although they can lower themselves depending on where we can meet them in between. The angels bring a much loftier energy but they can be quite humorous at the same time, and practical, you know, kind of call you out on your own stuff in a humorous way. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: it’s not the first time I’ve heard that either. It isn’t, I think it’s kind of funny. It’s good to know.

Pam Aloia: It is. It’s fun. It, it’s fun. And because you can feel the love behind it, there’s no judgment, there’s love and you can have fun with it, even though you’re screwing up or you feel like you’re screwing up there. There’s just endless love. So that’s lovely. And guides can be folks who have been here in the past. They could be from your lineage. They could be Indians, they could be Eskimos, you know, it could be other people, but you can also have guides that are animal guides as well. not necessarily have walked the earth, but say we have a guide that’s a bear ;that to me encompasses the whole bear energy of all bears that have ever lived. just the essence of what a bear is. I have seen people who have guides who are like, dragons or fairies or things like that. So it’s not just related to earthly type things.

Johnny Burke: Dragons? as in like Game of Thrones? Like those kinds of dragons?

Pam Aloia: I’ve seen dragons yes, I’ve seen water dragons, air dragons, fire dragons, it really depends on the person. And all guides are great. It’s more what meets the person’s personality or the information, in essence of what they need at that time.

Johnny Burke: So, do you think it’s true that we create the vision of our guides, or do they somehow read our minds and just manifest themselves in a way that is best for the individual?

Pam Aloia: I would say the latter. I hadn’t given as much thought quite honestly, but the way I understand it is that we have, for lack of a better word, a team of light and the team of light can be angels and guides put together if we’re going to simplify it. Based on what it is that we need at that time, I believe there are some guides who stay with us throughout our whole lifetime. And there are other guys that kind of switch guards mm-hmm based on what we’re going through. So, in that regard, I do believe that those folks will come in based on what we’re resonant with so that we can receive the messages.

Johnny Burke: So now that we’ve got a pretty good explanation on that, can you tell us how you work with Angels and Guides with your clients?

Pam Aloia: I believe that when I work with clients, we are working with both of our angels and guides to get the clarity, the healing, the information, whatever it is that the person is there for together and getting it in the most concise, accurate manner for them to receive. So I don’t believe that it’s me working with the client. I feel like we’re bringing in the whole team of light and saying, okay, what does this person need based on their intention? We set the tone, we call them in from the very beginning. And a lot of times the angels or guides will bring verbal messages. They’ll bring in emotional calm or information to the client that I may not even be aware of. They can bring in different colors of light geometries, whatever it is that they need, they bring it in. I really believe that we probably only are aware of say, 30% of what they’re providing for us. And the other 70% would be things that we either can’t sense, don’t need to know.

Johnny Burke: How did you come up with the 30/ 70 distribution? Is that just a guess or just a gut feeling?

Pam Aloia: That’s this, this is the first time I came across it because I know that there’s a lot of times when, even in meditations if we’re clearing ourselves cuz we all have patterns. So, if we take some time to clear a pattern, it could take weeks, months, or years, depending on how ingrained that pattern is in us. There’s times when we have to create, we would have to let go of any other, how do I say this?

There’s certain agreements we may have made to have this pattern in our lifetime so we can learn from it or we can learn to let it go. In doing that, my experience has always been we don’t need to know everything. So sometimes we can just let that go, if we’re intending to let go of something that doesn’t serve us anymore because as humans, we tend to overanalyze everything, and the more information we have, sometimes it’s worse for us. So, I think, 30 to 50%. We don’t know what’s going on. We’re just letting it go energetically.

Johnny Burke: We may not need to know, those things. You mentioned agreements, this definitely does, conjure images or thoughts of the in-between space. Life between lives, in between incarnations. In your experience or with your clients, have you experienced that space?

Pam Aloia: Yes, definitely both with myself as well as, with my clients in the past life regression therapy sessions, we do, and I find it fascinating because it helps us understand some of the trials and tribulations we’re doing here. Some of the agreements we make are not always spiritual.

So, let’s say for instance, in a past life regression session, if we were dying in a past life and say we were dying because we were, being hanged because we stole something, but we didn’t steal anything, we were wrongfully accused by our friends. And we said to ourselves, we’re never trusting a soul again in our lives before we gave our last breath. So when we come into this lifetime, we’re all of a sudden the most distrusting person in the world. We don’t think that anybody can love us. We don’t think that anybody’s treating us correctly because we know they’re going to betray us at some point in time. So, these sort of agreements are things that are not helpful for us.

It could be a lesson for us, but sometimes we bring that on ourselves based on a prior experience.

Johnny Burke: One of the questions I’ve always had because I’ve had quite a few people talk about past lives and the in-between space. And invariably what comes up is that it’s like almost casting a movie on how they make the agreements. They basically take on role. So is it even possible to differentiate between someone who’s playing a role and someone who’s just being, just a lousy, poor human being? Free will. Is there a way to do that, or is that something we’ll just never know?

Pam Aloia: So, are you saying in our lifetime here, can we tell if, say your brother is playing a role versus your cousin playing just a not necessarily nice guy?

Johnny Burke: Actually, no, it’s a tricky question. Let me rephrase. Let’s you have some experiences here in this lifetime, which are not great. There’s a mix that there’s good and there’s bad. You get to the in-between space and you talk to guides or whoever is there.

Do you discover there what roles the soul family- the members had? If someone was supposed to give you a hard time as opposed to somebody who was not playing a role, and was just a mean person,; murderer, thief, or whatever, is there a way to really figure that out or do we even need to know?

Pam Aloia: In my experience, most of the time that we get to that space where we’re talking about who played what role, that is really all we talk about because those were the most important ones. If we weren’t learning that lesson, then everything else was kind of superfluous and not necessary to know. So I think it’s something we would worry about after the fact, if we’re getting the main gist of what that lifetime was presenting for us, then that’s sufficient. But I appreciate the question because now in my next sessions, I’m going to see if we can bring in some of the minor characters and see what happens. So thank you.

Johnny Burke: I’ve always been curious about that because this space is incredibly fascinating. The first time I heard that, I thought, this can’t be true, but invariably, whenever I talk to an experiencer or a practitioner like you, even though the details might vary a little bit, the mechanics are almost identical. You go there, you get a life review, which is not someone judging you. You’re basically judging yourself as if someone is asking, how do you think you did? Right? And then you take on a role and it’s like, casting a play. It might be a Shakespearean tragedy, it might not. And it’s for the good and the learning of everyone in the group, not just you.

Pam Aloia: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: It’s almost identical every time I hear someone try to explain what it’s actually like to be in the in-between space. So, when you first discovered this, how different was it from a past life experience or are they very similar?

Pam Aloia: How different was,

Johnny Burke: How different was the life between lives?

Pam Aloia: Oh, the life in between Oh, okay. Then the life itself, how different was it? you’re in a completely different space, obviously. When you’re experiencing the past life, you’re in it, you’re feeling the emotions. You are there, you’re not seeing anything beyond it. You’re bringing yourself right back into that space. So, it’s completely different because usually once we get into the in-between space, all the drama kind of falls away. You’re less stressed and you can see things a little more objectively than subjectively.

Johnny Burke: So that’s the difference. Okay. Yeah, that’s great. Can you tell us about some of your experiences or your client’s experiences in that space?

Pam Aloia: In the past life arena we’ve had quite a few interesting ones. So, I guess for myself, the example I used with the judgment piece was one of my past lives where I was wrongfully accused by my friends who I thought were my friends and I was hanged for something. So, judgment was definitely something, that I have come a long way on and in the importance of non-judgment because it’s important we’re all going through something different for our soul learning. The importance of non-judgment is pretty huge.

I’ve had some past lives where I was a Native American- two specifically. One was very interesting; all I needed to know from that lifetime was that me and my sister in that lifetime were just joyous and lovely. And so, we wound up growing altogether, but that sister in that lifetime is now a very dear friend of mine here, which is lovely.

Johnny Burke: I was just about to ask you that, what is it like if you recognize someone in this life that you’ve shared lives with before?

Pam Aloia: Oh, like you meet this person and all of a sudden everything clicks. Why do I get along so well with this person? I just met her for 20 minutes and we know each other’s life story. It’s a connection that doesn’t fade, I don’t think. But I also believe it is true for what role she was planning to play in this lifetime. Right? So maybe she was here, we’re both here to support each other. But say I had a friend or somebody else in a lifetime. And this time they decided, hey, we’re going to be that mean person. We’re going to marry you and treat you meanly and have you go through a divorce. You know? So, I don’t think it’s always our best friend in one lifetime’s going to carry through that way to the next, I think we all switch it up to play different roles.

Johnny Burke: It’s like in the movies, sometimes you’re the good guy and sometimes you’re not.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. I agree.

Johnny Burke: Great so, experiences in the in-between space for some of your clients; anything that was really, really interesting and, and had an impact on them as well afterwards?

Pam Aloia: I guess those two I could go into. One of the women who had a very, very strong reaction to her past life and her past life was that she was a Jewish child in World War ii, and she saw herself, we got to the point where she was in a mass grave. She hadn’t died yet, but she was in a mass grave. And one of her emotions was,’ I don’t understand. I did everything right. I said all my prayers, I did all the rituals. We were good people. ‘ All that kind of stuff. So it was very traumatic for her when we got out of it. We actually didn’t even get to this in-between lives but helped her understand some of the issues she had with religion and spirituality in this lifetime. I know that seems pretty even keel, but it was very deep and very profound for her. And just as we can have very deep and very profound experiences.

There was another woman who wanted to experience past life regressions. She was a little skeptical. And she goes,” I’m not sure I want to do this.” so we said, okay, “why don’t we set the intention that our first past life regression therapy session with you is going to be pretty benign. It’s going to be a life and death so that you feel comfortable with it.” And we did. She was dying in bed in this lifetime. And she could feel that she was dying. She said I could even smell the smell of decay a little bit before she was dying. And she said she wasn’t afraid. She was totally accepting of that death. And that touched her in such a way that we did more past life regression therapy sessions with her, but it also changed how she viewed her own death in this lifetime. thought that was kind of fascinating.

Johnny Burke: That does give people comfort that they’ve been through it before, which means they’re going to go through it again. This means, the obvious conclusion is, it doesn’t just end right here.

Pam Aloia: Exactly. Exactly.

Johnny Burke: Do you think though, and I’ve never asked anyone this question before, a practitioner that is, but do you think some people take offense to the idea of reincarnation and past lives? Because once they die, they just want to be done. They don’t want to be conscious?

Pam Aloia: Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. That’s part of it, and I think some people believe whatever their religion believes, and they don’t want to go against that for whatever fears they have around that. But yes, absolutely. Some people are like, why would I want to come back? Why would I want to come back? Heck, I, I have a client of mine who totally believes in past life aggression therapy sessions and she goes,” I hope I don’t come back after this one. I think I could be done.

Johnny Burke: It’s probably pretty common, but in your sessions- as we’re laughing,is it common for, you to walk your clients through a death at the end of every life?

Pam Aloia: That is our goal. And most of the time we do get there, but some of the time we don’t. And that’s fine.

Johnny Burke: How often do you go from there from one past life? What’s the trigger to go into the in-between space?

Pam Aloia: It usually flows very nicely if the client is willing to go that part. Sometimes we get to the place where, okay, what did I need to learn in that lifetime? And they’re good, they don’t want to know anymore. But I’m finding a lot of people want to know what was the plan? Why did we do it this way? Why did she have to come and do this? Why did he have to come and do this? The way I see it is that once we leave this life, we kind of go up into this little area where we meet our guides and everything, and then we go a little further up to say, okay, how did we plan on this? What’s the big orchestration going on?

Johnny Burke: So, it sounds like you’ve been doing this for a while, what do we have to do to keep from coming back here.? When I say to keep from coming back, I’m not saying consciousness ends. I’m saying we ascend, we go towards the light, or become more like light beings so we don’t have to reincarnate anymore. Do you have any insight into,

Pam Aloia: I have to say, I’m still figuring that one out. I would love to know if you find anything out, please, please let me know because there’s

Johnny Burke: Thanks, but I don’t have spiritual authority; I’m just a messenger. That’s all I can tell anyone. But I will definitely keep that in mind. So, at the beginning of the episode, you did mention something about 3d, when you talk about 3D the inevitable discussion is about 3D to 4D and 5D and beyond. What is, this journey, this path that you are on, what have you learned about ascension or going to the light or how we’re supposed to raise our vibe? Or is that even relevant to your path?

Pam Aloia: Raising the vibration is definitely relevant to the path, and I think that’s relevant to most folks who are on this path to raise the vibration for a number of things. One, to raise the vibration of ourselves. Then also raises the vibration for everyone around us. I believe that we can live our joy but there is a lot of contention around how we do that or why we would want to do that, or do we have the time to do that. So if we were to talk about dimensions, I think I get too mentally engrossed in the differences between the dimensions that I think it takes away some of the, purpose, I guess?

So, my focus has been more about, okay, how can I raise my vibration? Especially if you’re feeling low, how do you bring it up? If you’re already feeling high, how do you bring it even higher? Because to me, I believe that the evolution of humanity, is to bring that vibration up as high as we can, because if we are all vibrating at a higher rate, then life on Earth has to get better. We start living from the heart, we start treating each other better. We start having these experiences with what we call supernatural all the time. I believe that’s part of who we are, and It’s just that where we live in the vibration that we’re at keeps us from these experiences on an ongoing basis, like on a very regular basis.

Johnny Burke: What you just mentioned reminds me something about what many mediums do and other intuitives, do say. Typically, it’ll be something like, this isn’t a gift, everyone has it. It’s a little closer to the surface in some than others. Is it possible that we were once a very advanced civilization thousands and thousands of years ago where we lived in a fifth-dimension type civilization where telepathy was common? Did you get a glimpse of any of that in any of your past life experiences or that of your clients?

Pam Aloia: I have had, so I agree. I believe that we have had on some timeline on earth that we were all already in 5D and something happened where we weren’t, we fell to a lower vibration for whatever reasons. It could be for a learning portion of humanity, it could be for its mistakes that we’ve made. I’ve had a past life where I supposedly was on Atlantis and was right before things started going really bad. I just remember being in a stone temple. And for me, what I needed to get out of that, lifetime was that stones can be healing and how to use them and draw some of that information in.

I had a client come in too for a past life regression, and I don’t know if we ever determined which civilization it was from, whether it was from Atlantis, Lemuria, or something like that. But he drew something from that lifetime and pulled it into this lifetime for some work that he was doing with lasers and trajectory and things like that. He was an engineer. It was really fascinating. I was so excited. He was stoked when he left. He’s like, “This is fascinating!”

Johnny Burke: So cool. And you mentioned Lemuria, which I think, as far as I’ve been told, is supposed to be even older than Atlantis. One of the things I’ve always been curious about, do you have a visual memory of that, or is it just kind of like a dream that you had a long time ago? Do you remember what things looked like?

Pam Aloia: I do not. I do not. I just remember the feeling in that temple and how sacred it was and how normalized our abilities were, looking outside in, it was like, ‘oh my gosh, we could do this!’ And then just being okay with all the crystals and stones and how we worked with those things.

Johnny Burke: How long ago do you suppose that was? I know you can’t pinpoint a year, but a lot of people are curious.

Pam Aloia: I don’t know. I honestly don’t know. I don’t usually ask timelines, although I will say I had a past life regression therapy session with a history teacher once, and she spent a lot of time saying, “Wait a minute, what we’re wearing doesn’t match that.” So, she started like bringing her mental mind into, I’m like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let’s do that afterward. Let’s get to the core part of your emotions here, you know? so I usually stay away fromit unless it comes up,

but I normally, uh, focus more on the emotional aspects. So, when I do past life regression therapy sessions, my goal is to help people eliminate or understand so that they can start to eliminate something that is keeping them or hindering them in this lifetime. So a lot of times you’ll go to, some meditations and say, ‘Oh, let’s just go to a past lifetime and see what it was like. ‘For me, I make sure that we have some sort of pointed, purpose. Okay. What do we need to let go of so you can feel freer, happier, and live life more fully?

Johnny Burke: So, it seems like this type of work can definitely have some therapeutic benefits.

Pam Aloia: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes, and it can be quite deep for some people, and it can just be quite fascinating for others, because everything is in our cellular memories and we just need to access it if we want, to get past certain things that we’ve carried on for whether lifetimes or even just into one lifetime.

Johnny Burke: What kind of advice do you have for someone who could be listening right now, and they’d like to be able to connect with their past loved ones? What are the dangers or what words of caution would you give them if they’re interested in doing that?

Pam Aloia: That’s a very good question because there’s a lot of information out there. There are a lot of people out there who could help guide you, but really follow your heart on what methods you want to use, and what people you want to connect with. There are a lot of safety protocols that I’ve put into place, from day one And I teach a class with a specific technique on how to connect with past loved ones. And there’s a whole setup you do to make sure that what you’re bringing in is of the light and that you’re comfortable with it. As soon as you’re not comfortable with it, it’s time to let it go. It’s just time to stop the session or change your space.

I’ll give an example; earlier on when I first started doing reiki, I’d say within the first five years of doing reiki, I was given a woman a session. Yeah, and it was interesting. I saw this figure walk in the door and sit down on the couch that was right next to the table, and it was a black energy and my mental body saying, something’s off, something’s off something, you got to get rid of this. But the energy was so calm and just sitting there, doing no harm. So about five or 10 minutes, I sat there, and I guess my mind got the better of me. And I said, ‘Listen, you need to leave. I’m very uncomfortable with you here.’ So, the being got up and left. I did a meditation afterward. I said, okay, what was that about? Who was that person? And that person was a friend of the person I was working on the table. And he wanted to come through because he saw the energy, he felt the light, and he wanted to know what we were doing because he thought it could help him.

So, from then on, I never judged being by the color of their energy. in fact, with certain clients, I’ll invite folks who are not as light to come in if they can learn from what we’re doing or be healed also by what we’re doing. I’ll invite them in, of course, a little off to the side so they’re not in our space, because I feel like we can uplift those folks as well.

So it’s really important to not judge a book by its cover because there are also some light beings who come through, you think they’re light and then you look past the light and they’re not so light. So there’s a whole thing of, I don’t like to use the word protection, but it is, you put an intention up there that you are safe and secure, and nothing but love and light is going to come through. So yes, I think it’s very important. It’s a good question to ask. Especially for folks beginning. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Right. So, anything else you can share about safety protocols? Because I’m sure there are a lot of curious folks out there, and I’ve heard quite a few cautionary tales saying, this is not for amateurs. And you must know what you’re doing. And protection is very, very important.

Pam Aloia: It is, it is, there’s lots of ways you can do that. You can bring in light, you can say a prayer, and you can ask angels for help. There are crystals that can assist too. I think you don’t always need to have an actual crystal with you. You can ask for the energy of the crystal to be with you. There’s music, there’s sage, there’s tons of things that you can do.

I actually wrote a book during the pandemic because I could see with all the contention going on and the controversy, there was so much anger and so much emotion that I wrote a book called The Daily Cloak. It’s an energetic guide for clearing and protecting, so you keep yourself clear so you’re not absorbing other people’s stuff. And, then you’re also protecting yourself. So once you clear, you keep your space sacred, you have to do that on a regular basis. So, there’s other books out there, other websites, and things like that that can help out with that too, but there’s tons of ways you can do that.

Johnny Burke: Good information to know and I think that information can’t get out there quickly enough because I have a feeling that a lot of people are getting involved with things that they have no idea what they’re fooling around with. Pamela, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Pam Aloia: You can find me on my website, which is PamelaAloia.com. I’m also on Facebook as Pamela Aloia author, and on LinkedIn as the same. Pamela, Aloia author.

#132 Christina Cannes: A Medium Speaks To Kurt Cobain

July 29, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Mediums, Spirit World

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Joni Burke, and today’s guest is Christina Cannes. She is a coach, hypnotherapist, and nutritionist, and she’s also had mediumship abilities since she was a child. She also has experienced navigating past lives. Tonight, we’ll talk about an experience she had recently where she was able to channel a well-known musician who left us almost 30 years ago. Christina, welcome back to the program.

Christina Cannes: Thank you. Hello.

Johnny Burke: I just want to let our listeners know that you have been on the show before, it was a while ago, I believe it was last January. And tonight, we’re going to talk about an experience that you had recently while you were listening to the new Lana Del Ray album. Why don’t you tell us what happened?

Christina Cannes: Well, for those of you who have not heard Lana’s new album, I really suggest you check it out. Not that I work for her anyway, but it’s a beautiful album, with beautiful music. I’ve been a fan of hers for many years and I listened to it and I love music and I love film. I love all art. But I don’t typically get involved in the artist. I don’t get obsessed with whoever’s created the art. I just appreciate the art for what it is. This time though, I thought I’ll actually Google Lana and, and learn more about who she is.

So, I did some Googling, and I found a quote from Courtney Love that said, Lana and Kurt Cobain were the only two musical geniuses she had ever met, and. Coming from her, she’s met a lot of musicians and she’s met so many people over the years. So her saying that really stood out for me. I was like, oh wow, okay. That’s massive. growing up I had been a Nirvana fan, not a massive one. I had Nevermind. And I loved grunge, and I loved all the music coming out of Seattle, but I didn’t really know too much about Kurt Cobain. I didn’t buy In Utero because it just felt kind of dark to me. But I remember when he died and I remember, Courtney Love, I had Live Through This, so I didn’t really know too much about them, I just appreciated their music. But seeing that quote really jumped out at me.

As I was sitting there, I started to hear this voice start to talk. Typically, when that happens, I usually only get messages from people who are coming through to tell a loved one something. So, it’s usually a friend or a family member. And in this instance, it was not either of those things. It was Kurt Cobain. And this is really awkward for me to even share or talk about because I haven’t had an experience like this ever in my life. At first, I was really cynical. I didn’t, because you must be careful with who’s trying to come through, what’s trying to come through. And I have very strict boundaries around how I channel and who I channel. I don’t even call it channeling, I just call it a conversation because you can take on the death trauma and the trauma that the spirit had in their lifetime. So, you have to be really careful.

Johnny Burke: It’s draining, isn’t it? that part?

Christina Cannes: Well, I think there are a lot of psychic mediums who are physically unwell because they channel too much because it takes you out of your body. And again, it allows other things to come in. Like with Kurt at one point, I could see the entities that were attached to him because he had been a drug addict and experienced a lot of trauma and abuse as a child. So, there were definitely entities, so I had to be very careful with him at first. It was a really bizarre experience. It really lasted almost two weeks, the first week of which was really intense. but it was like any relationship in that I was like, ‘Okay, well I’m open to talking to you.’ We both had to establish trust. He would tell me bits and pieces and then see how I responded to it. because I was just open to it, I was like his therapist for two weeks. I was just listening. He kept telling me more and more and more, and then at one point, I did have to kind of put the boundaries up strongly because I think it was on the third day.

He was just so excited to talk to me. He came into the house big time and was like turning on fans, messing with electricity. He was messing with my son’s Kindle, when we were lying in bed, he was like moving the Kindle all around. I’m moving the fan and I kept wanting to go back and smoke. I used to smoke American spirits, the yellow pack, it was just like my favorite thing ever, and I haven’t smoked in so many years, decades, and I kept having this craving for American spirits and I was like, this is not me. This is him.

And, at one point he got so excited. I live in a neighborhood in Australia that’s very residential and the wildlife really aren’t, there’s birds, but that’s about it. I was trying to get my work done and I was at my desk and he was just constantly trying to talk to me and all of a sudden I see this kangaroo come bouncing into my yard that’s taller and bigger than me. And he was huge, massive. I’m five-six, so this was probably five -eight. And it’s just like bouncing all around the yard like it can’t get out. I’ve got high fences. I was actually scared. I thought it was going to hurt itself or hurt somebody or damage property. And then I could hear Kurt laughing, he just thought I was hilarious. He brought this kangaroo and I’m like, all right, mate. So then I just got serious, and I was like, let’s just really talk. And he kind of told me a lot more after that. That was really pretty amazing.

Johnny Burke: What kind of things was he telling you?

Christina Cannes: Right off the bat he wanted to talk about his legacy. He’s really sad that he’s known for his drug abuse and his suicide. He does not want that to be his legacy. He does not want his fans, and especially kids to be influenced by that. It really upsets him, and makes him really sad. His art and his music were just so important to him. That’s how he wants to be known. Yes, there were drugs, but the way it was portrayed in the media, he hates the media, that’s for sure. And he was telling me, showing me how they would manipulate a lot.

The media was used against him in a variety of ways, I will say that. And it was used by very clever people to manipulate him. He was very much trapped. And it’s funny, he was really, really very nice and he had a really funny sense of humor. He said, “You know, I created Nirvana as a way to escape, as a way to create freedom for myself. Freedom in the sense freedom of expression, freedom, authenticity.” He wanted to create a vehicle in which he could create and develop art and be himself with total freedom. And ultimately, Nirvana became a prison. He was trying to escape it towards the end. he was trying to shed the persona that he had created and he was showing me how Nirvana was only around a couple of years and then all of a sudden he was like this global superstar and he was saying, it was just so hard to change that rapidly. His identity went from, just a kid in this small-town playing music with big dreams to a global celebrity with this power and influence that he never imagined he’d ever have. And he became a father and a husband, and everything just so changed so rapidly. It was really, really hard for him to manage that and for him to navigate that.

He didn’t have a lot of support or people he could trust, especially his own family. And he didn’t really have anyone who understood what he was going through so he did the best he could, but he acknowledges that he definitely could have made better decisions, but he’s really proud of his art and what he created. He gets really upset when people call it grunge. He is like, it is not grunge. It is a combination of punk and pop and how dare they call it grunge. It just so happened he was from that geographical area. His music is very different from the other bands that came out of Seattle.

Johnny Burke: I would, I would say so. Yeah.

Christina Cannes: It’s very different and, he purposely created the music in that way because that’s what felt authentic for him. He is proud of its timelessness. He thinks the other grunge bands sound very dated in some ways, but his music does not. It’s a timeless piece of art and he’s very, very proud of that. And he was talking to me about what he learned as an artist, and he said to create art and to be someone who you know creates really impactful art, you kind of need three ingredients. And the three ingredients are number one, civil disobedience. So completely just doing your own thing, saying no If anyone tries to influence you, like the corporate people. Number two, creativity is being open to receiving whatever creative inspiration comes through.

I don’t know if people know this about him, but he was really psychic and he used to channel this creativity and put it into his music. He was very talented. He could draw, he could paint, he could sculpt, he could make music. Like he was just this walking creator, and he just allowed it to come through and he didn’t try to stop it. And he was very protective of it. The third ingredient he said is authenticity; to remain true to yourself and to just be who you are. That’s a really, really powerful combination. He was not conscious of this when he was alive. He’s conscious of it now, but he wants people to know him for that, for his authenticity, for his creativity, and for his civil disobedience. He wants everyone to kind of do that because if we all did that, the earth would be a really different place.

Johnny Burke: He sounds somewhat happy. Would you agree or is it kind of hard to tell?

Christina Cannes: From what I gathered from our discussions, he is accepting. He’s accepted what’s happened. He does not want people to think he killed himself. The suicide thing is untrue. Let’s just put it that way. He does not want his legacy to be that he killed himself because that affected so many people in a really negative way, and he’s really upset that his legacy is used to manipulate people. He works with other artists to help them. I get that he does help Lana, and that’s why he came through. He tries to keep them safe because he was put in a position because of his fame where he just became a commodity to people. He was making a lot of people a lot of money.

And he was not really aware of his commodification because he was a pretty empathetic person, very empathetic. So for him, the reason Nirvana became such a trap is because he felt a responsibility to take care of people in a way. And at the end he was like, all right, no, I’m done. Like I must get out of this. Because he was so dedicated to his art and his creativity, he showed me the most important person for him was John Lennon. I get that John was helping him create his music like they were working together, and artists have to shed their skin and create new types of art.

A true artist is someone who’s constantly changing and evolving and trying and taking risks. And so for him, the Nirvana persona had to be shed because he was ready to try other things and experiment and explore. Because he was a commodity, shedding that skin was going to be a huge financial loss for a lot of people involved. He really wasn’t able, when he was alive, to understand that he wasn’t able to understand that sort of people and how they thought that way. That was just so bizarre for him. But now that he’s passed, he can see that, and he helps people because he doesn’t want anyone to be put in a position like him where they become a commodity. He’s very protective of artists.

Johnny Burke: So you’re saying that he actually helps musicians now from where he is, influences them, I’ve actually heard that about quite a few people. Lennon, actually Paul McCartney was quoted as saying Lennon still helps him write songs or did very recently so it’s not altogether shocking. Really, really interesting. What I’ve, been told about, growing up Catholic, is that suicide victims go to a very bad place. That doesn’t really sound like what happened to him, but then again, you said he didn’t commit suicide. So, did he tell you what happened?

Christina Cannes: Yeah, it took a while to get there, and as a kid. I was, I think 13 when he died, and I remember hearing about it. I literally saw Kurt Loder on MTV News, announce it. And I remember kind of thinking it didn’t really make sense to me, but I was really young. I just kind of parked it. I didn’t get sucked into it, like the drama of it or the suspicion, I was like, that’s really sad and sad to hear that. That’s too bad.

So when he told me at first, he kept saying, I created a prison. My life had become poison. And then eventually it was kind of at the end of the first week I spent with him, I think we had developed a certain level of trust and he said,” You know, I didn’t kill myself “and it didn’t feel like suicide. With suicide comes a certain level of shame and regret even on the other side. And even people I’ve spoken to who have OD’ed, there’s a lot of shame and regret even with that because it’s almost an unconscious way of killing themselves .

With him there’s not a ton of shame and regret, like a little bit around even using drugs. He was like,’ Drugs are terrible. No one should use them. They do not help your art.’ He’s not a fan of drugs, and he said they were used to control him. He didn’t know then that that was what was going on because drugs did help him cope with that insane amount of change that he experienced rapidly in like a year. And they were fun, and they were a nice way for him to escape but ultimately, they weren’t great. So he said I didn’t kill myself. I just feel so weird even saying this because it goes against the narrative.

Johnny Burke: Well, definitely -I’m pretty sure there has been at least one book written about

Christina Cannes: Tons of books, so I never knew any of that. I didn’t know there was this whole group of people out there pushing for this case to be reopened and reexamined. But yeah, he said very clearly” I did not kill myself. I was murdered.” The way he showed it to me was, there were a lot of people involved. Three men. He was in Seattle. He was not at his house. He was staying in a motel. There were three men involved, two of whom he knew, one of whom was kind of the overseer, more like a professional person there to kind of manage things and they came into the motel room. Just one of them showed me, he just kept saying, they put me to sleep. So they did something to put him to sleep, either with heroin or some kind of other drug. And then this friend of his, someone he knew. I don’t get that, it was a close friend, but it was someone that he knew who came into the hotel and was sort of setting up this scene where they were pretending to hang out.

And they’re like, oh yeah. Hey man, you know, whatever. And then he was put to sleep and then this other kind of professional person, handler manager came and, and they took him out of the motel room and brought him back to his house. And he said he was put in the greenhouse because that was just the easiest kind of place to put him. It was close to the driveway, and he was pretty much unconscious. They dragged him up there and out of the house. So that kind of created this plausible deniability. And then the third guy was at the house. So once they got him to the house, they brought him up to the greenhouse. I think the way he showed me was there more drugs and then they shot him.

So he definitely didn’t pull the trigger. He was murdered. He was put to sleep so that they could shoot him. And the whole scene was staged. And he’s really, really upset that people close to him who he thought really loved him, would believe that he killed himself. And especially in that way, he’s kind of offended that he’s like, ‘I wouldn’t have just stabbed a note with a pin’. And he just wouldn’t have done that in that way. He’s like, ‘Yeah, od? Sure, but shot? no. ‘

He did show me one of the people involved, after I was shown this, I Googled. Cause I’m like, what is going on? The narrative being woven is definitely one of suicide. And even the conspiracy or- I won’t even call them conspiracy theorists. I’d say seekers of truth the way they described this scene as happening wasn’t this. He did show me one of the people involved, I found one of the people by accident, and when I saw the picture of them, I almost threw up, like the emotions I felt were just such disgust and betrayal. I didn’t know who this person was, but it was one of the nannies that his wife at the time had hired was a heroin addict. Everybody involved except for the professional person were heroin addicts, so they were controlled.

Johnny Burke: Very sinister account. I don’t know why someone or some entity would come through and tell you all this just for kicks. Why do you suppose he came through while you’re listening to Lana Del Rey and why do you suppose it came through to you? Any clue?

Christina Cannes: Yeah, so I’m writing a book about creativity, and I think creativity is our superpower. I think we all have gifts. I think it’s our almost duty to share those gifts with the world and to use those gifts. I think that a lot of mental illness and suffering is created because we are not being creative. So I started writing this book and I was listening to Lana and so he came through because he was excited. A, I liked his music, and B, because I’m as excited about creativity as he is. So he just wanted to hang out and talk about creativity and authenticity and civil disobedience. It was like finding a friend, somebody who understands what’s happened to you. And a lot of the conversations we had, he was helpful to me because, I’m not saying I’m a global celebrity or an artist at his level, or, I mean, I’m nothing like that.

There were some experiences in life that I’ve had, and he was like,’ You understand this,’ and he would show me different things in my life and then how they linked back to his own experiences. And so, it was just him saying, hey, I see you. I understand. I’m so glad that you are practicing civil disobedience. You are being authentic, and you understand and love creativity, and that’s just all it was. And I’m just so grateful that I could spend that time with him and learn from him and ultimately, share his message. Because it got to the point where I was like, I have to tell someone this. It was just too much information.

And typically, when people want to it’s for a loved one. And so, I call that person up or I get in touch with that person and say, ‘Hey, so and so has come through. Would you like me to share this information with you?’ And I’ve never had someone say, “No. “Everyone’s always like, “yes.”

Johnny Burke: Of course.

Christina Cannes: In this case, there was no person to ask permission. This is just for everybody. So I’ve just got to put it out there and I hope whoever finds it can use it in a way that helps them in their lives.

Johnny Burke: Did you ask him any questions about the afterlife; what it’s like, what we can expect? Did you have any discussions around that at all?

Christina Cannes: Now I didn’t ask him any of that. He just wanted to talk, so he was just telling me things and I was just receiving. I didn’t really ask him very much. I really don’t ask those questions very much. I don’t really explore that side. I’m shown different aspects of it, but perhaps I should start exploring that a bit more.

He did tell me that he loves his daughter so much. Like he is so, so, so, so proud of her. He says she’s really, really, really more artistic and creative than him. She doesn’t have great people around her, unfortunately, very much like him. And what he would really love for her to do is set up an art school or an art institute for kids who can’t afford to go to a school that would help them explore their gifts and talent. Almost like a high school kind of situation. He was really, really creative and he hated school, but he didn’t have anywhere to go where he could have, explored his talent, explored his art which he says is a blessing and also something he wishes he’d been able to experience. So, he really wants her to set up this school, and he said she needs a purpose to really, I guess, make life easier so I didn’t really ask him about any of that. It was more just him telling me all these things because it’s really important for him to get these messages out there. And he is just really grateful, and I get that he does help people who know that he didn’t commit suicide. He does want that legacy to be something much greater than just suicide and heroin. There might be stuff coming out next year. He’s pushing really hard to get that truth out. But no, I didn’t ask him about any of that.

Johnny Burke: What about since you just mentioned suicide and heroin, did he mention anything about Chris Cornell who passed not that long ago, and perhaps maybe even Layne Staley, because they all knew each other, didn’t they?

Christina Cannes: Yeah, they did. I’m pretty sure they did. No, he didn’t say anything about them, he talked about John Lennon and how John Lennon helped him when he was a musician. There were a lot of similarities You could say Kurt was our generation’s John Lennon, or, Gen X, Millennials’ John Lennon. So, John was definitely trying to help him and do the best he could to keep him safe.

Johnny Burke: John Lennon- many people think that he was way, way ahead of his time, just in his lyrics and everything else.

Christina Cannes: So was Kurt. Kurt was way ahead of his time. You could just say they’re both prophets in the sense that in the way Kurt was behaving in the nineties, we went from like Guns N Roses to Kurt Cobain in like a year. Axl Rose versus Kurt Cobain, that’s a very different energy. He was really kind, he was pro-women’s rights, and he was pro-gay like he was holding his baby showing men, it’s totally cool to be like a rock star and a dad, which is really similar to what John Lennon did. John Lennon kind of quit music and went and did the dad thing for a while and was a very active parent.

And even John was very experimental in his music and dedicated to his art. So there were a lot of similarities. So, he talked to me a lot about John Lennon and about him in protecting and influencing him. Even John Lennon’s son Sean, he wishes Francis and Sean would hang out more, and both sort of create these art institutes to help people develop their art and their talent. Cause there are so many people out there that have amazing talent and amazing creative ability, and they become like, software developers. It’s really, it’s sad,

Johnny Burke: Maybe that’s what they want to do.

Christina Cannes: Well, they got to pay the bills. They got to pay the bills and it’s fine. Pay the bills, but,

Johnny Burke: Right brain talent versus left brain talent.

Christina Cannes: Yeah, I think they just want people to not give up everything to go pay the bills. You can do both, and it’s important to always foster that creativity inside yourself.

Johnny Burke: Agreed. Yeah. Anything else that you want to tell us about this, about this experience?

Christina Cannes: I’m just really grateful and humbled and hope whoever hears this, helps them open up to their own creativity and stay true to themselves. He just wants everyone to know what you see in the media and that what you see in the entertainment industry is very, very controlled, very controlled, so be mindful and discerning in regard to what you consume. And the most dangerous thing for those industries is someone they can’t control.

Johnny Burke: Which, he was pretty much.

Christina Cannes: You couldn’t control Kurt Cobain no matter how much heroin you tried to give him; he would go in the opposite direction. He would go,” That’s nice” and he just would do his own thing. He was very dedicated to his art, and he was happy being his authentic self. That’s really something to admire and look up to and aspire to.

Christina Cannes: His message For all the people who are in the entertainment and media industries is to be mindful and be safe and take care of yourself and just know and be aware of what is going on there.

Johnny Burke: Not that I know much about the music industry, even though I was a musician for a long time, but it’s a very interesting place. Let’s put it that way, some people think it’s a dark, dark place. I never really saw that up close, But I don’t know.

Christina Cannes: I think it can be. I think like all things, it has both aspects. You just need to be aware of who you hire. You know who you hire as a manager, who you work with as a label, and as long as you’re mindful and intentional you’ll be okay. I don’t think it’s all dark. I don’t think it’s all good. I think it’s like everything in life, there’s aspects of both.

Johnny Burke: I don’t think it’s all dark either, but, like I say, it’s a very, interesting experience, but that’s probably a discussion for another day.

Christina Cannes: It’s the commodification that he doesn’t want. He doesn’t want people to fall into that trap, and that’s a really hard trap to get out of once you’re in it.

Johnny Burke: Well, it’s very hard though because a label or an entity, whoever’s basically footing the bill is basically a bank; they invest in certain artists or products, right? And they have to recoup, and that artist has to do four or five albums, or they (most likely) lose money. If you were investing in something, you’d probably want to see a return too. Unfortunately, those products are human beings. I think all of us, when he was alive, could see that he wasn’t comfortable with the industry.

Christina Cannes: I guess I got it, but I didn’t really sucked into it or understand it or really even care so for me it was a surprise. I didn’t really know much about him as a person.

Johnny Burke: One of the things I did want to mention is that you’ve had mediumistic type experiences since you were a child. So, do you think over time that your skills actually get sharper? Or are they about the same?

Christina Cannes: I definitely think the more and more I just accept them and open up to them and allow them. Oh, sorry. One more thing, Kurt wants everyone to know that his bandmates, Chris and Dave, are wonderful people, like just such good, kind, nice people. And he wishes he had been kinder to them and treated them differently when he was alive, and he could not have created what he created with Nirvana and he just wants everyone to know that he really appreciates them and loves them.

Johnny Burke: Good for him. Well, hopefully, that gets out to them.

Christina Cannes: He just wants everyone to know they’re great guys and they had nothing to do with that. They had nothing to do with anything that happened to him. Yeah, and they actually were really supportive of him, and I get that, especially Dave knows a lot more than he’ll ever say about everything that’s happened. And Chris is kind of in denial. They really did love him and appreciate him, and they really do wish he was so around. And, he did want to leave Nirvana and do more like singer-songwriter, unplugged type of music without them. And it had nothing to do with them, it was just him as an artist. That’s what he wanted to explore and do. But anyways, thank you, Kurt.

So, I think to answer your question, to circle back, I think the more you allow your gifts to just open up, the more comes through. I think as a kid I was quite scared of it all. It was really scary because no one was around telling me that A, this was normal, or B, showing me how to manage it. Now that I know how to manage it and stay safe, I’m comfortable with it. It seems to be that more and more is happening, and I also think we live in a time period, especially now of insane change. Like everything is changing; we’re being asked to really evolve rapidly, and I think people from the other side are seeing this and they’re trying to help more, I think they want to help. And I guess as I evolve, the messages I’m getting are coming in from different sources.

So last year I accidentally had a conversation with Princess Diana and then, a few months ago I accidentally had a conversation with JFK Jr. And so that wasn’t as long and profound as my conversations with Kurt. He just wanted to hang out. He was really nice. With them, they just wanted to share very direct messages to clarify some issues going on. I was taken aback because I’d never talked to people who had been famous like that before. And so, I did a lot of Who is this? Who am I speaking to?’ And they checked it out.

Johnny Burke: How do you do that by the way? because I’ve been told by many speakers, mediums, like you, that they have to be very careful about entities that come through because sometimes, they’re not who they say they are. So how do you kind of check them out?

Christina Cannes: First of all, I’ve somehow set up this system where I will only receive information through what I call my spirit and spirit kind of lives when I’m in a meditative state on the right side of- I don’t even want to call it channeling when I’m just having conversations. They come through on this right side. And then when there are other things that I can’t trust or that I’m not going to speak to, it’s more of this left side bottom side. So, like Kurt’s entities that I could see were coming through on the bottom left and I was like, oh, no, no, no. Bye-bye. Just some things that I’ve come across are always on the left, so if they’re coming through on the right, I’m like, all right. And then I ask them who they are, and I’m like, ‘Well, show me, how do I know it’s you? Show me.’ And they’ll give me insight into things. They’ll start opening up their world and showing me their energy. And usually, it’s the exact opposite of what I’ve seen in the media, and I can feel it in my body. It’s like a yes in my body, in my stomach, It’s the truth. Like you can feel the truth of it.

So with Princess Diana, what she was showing me was the exact opposite of what was being portrayed in the media. And I was actually kind of taken aback because it’s the exact opposite of what’s going on. Not that I’m invested in the royal family and their narrative in any way, but I was actually investigating Harry and Megan in their relocation to the US, and the Netflix and the book and all this stuff was coming out and I was just like, this is weird. This is really weird. So I did a meditation just to kind of check out their energy and she came through and was like, ‘There’s bad stuff going on.’ She was really, worried about Harry and his mental health and a possible suicide later on when this relationship all falls apart.

She showed me Megan’s manipulation tactics and she showed me her son Will and his wife Kate are really, really good people. Based on the media narrative I thought the opposite. I thought the royal family was just a bunch of mean old white people, and Harry and Megan had to get out of there and the opposite was true, and she just showed me exactly what was going on it made sense. And then I asked her about her own death, and she just got really solemn and said she made bad decisions she should have never gotten involved with, with Dodi and his family.

She said that being in any sort of relationship with Dodi and being in any sort of relationship with his father and the family was a bad decision and had she made another decision, she’d still be alive. But she really didn’t go into whether she was killed, or it was an accident. She kind of owned the fact that that was a really bad decision. She had made bad decisions and a lot of her concern for Harry was the way he was going about dealing with the media, and she had a lot of regrets about how she had used the media to try to get back at the royal family and all the things she had done, the interviews and the books.

She was like, ‘I made so many bad decisions, yes, get the truth out there, but not in that way. So she was just really worried for him and for his mental health and in a few years when his relationship with Megan does break down, what’s going to happen to Harry? She was really upset with her ex-husband for not keeping him safe. She said,’ he didn’t keep Harry safe. ‘Like he was very open to manipulation and like predators really. William and Kate, she’s really proud of them and, they’re just nice, good people. Just parents raising nice kids. Like I didn’t get any of the weird stuff that people say about the royal family.

Johnny Burke: This was Recently though, right?

Christina Cannes: This was last year, maybe like August before all the Netflix and the book and all that stuff. Like I’d heard that that was coming out and I was just like, oh man, that didn’t feel right to me. I was like, this is feeling weird. And my mom was visiting, so I was like, hey, I’ll do a meditation. Let’s get the goth and I’ll just see what comes up with their energy. And I don’t usually do this kind of stuff. I don’t really care. But then there was this whole thing around Harry’s reincarnation. I think he’s had a couple of reincarnations. It was like Henry VIII Edward VIII and now he’s coming as Harry and this whole thing just trying to destroy the monarchy thing. Megan’s probably Anne Boleyn and they are just a mess -it’s just a karmic mess. So, a lot of people are responding to this in a collective way because, it’s bringing up all our trauma, having to live under these crazy kings and queens who at the whim would like, to have us burned and murdered and, it’s just no way to live. Right? So he’s come in and he and his brother had have been together in past lives. The royal family is just this karmic mess. Of people who just keep coming in to try to do this. It’s just the same thing over and over again. It’s like, guys, can we just not do this anymore?

Johnny Burke: Royal Family Karma actually sounds like a band name. Come to think of it, it could be.

Christina Cannes: So with that family, it’s the same thing. It’s don’t believe anything you see in the media. It’s the opposite, everything is the opposite, and yuck. Harry, please don’t do anything to hurt yourself.

Johnny Burke: What kind of advice do you have for someone who has the kind of experience as you did, maybe not with famous people, but someone coming through? Any advice?

Christina Cannes: For someone who suddenly finds themselves in a situation where a dead person is talking to them?

Johnny Burke: Right.

Christina Cannes: So I have people that I can go to who have honed their ability. So it’s important to have a support person or support network of people who have experience with, I guess, other dimensions. Get a variety of people, because everyone sort of has their own way of doing it. They also have their own interpretation of how the spirit world works. So a lot of people’s interpretations, I don’t necessarily agree with. That’s not my experience with it. So, find people who you feel in your body are telling you the truth and giving you good advice. Always be cynical. Cynicism is important when dealing with the spirit world and discernment.

Johnny Burke: Yeah, definitely.

Christina Cannes: Like,’ Is this who I’m talking to? Okay, well then prove it’. And you know, Kurt’s case, he was like, fine, I’ll turn your fans on and off. I’ll move your Kindle around. Here’s a kangaroo, ha ha ha. Wanna smoke?

Johnny Burke: That was him with the kangaroo or?

Christina Cannes: Yeah. He thought it was hilarious. Yeah. He was like, all right, I’ll bring a kangaroo into your yard, and we can play jumpy, jumpy. And so they’ll show you things about their life, how no one else is going to know that, and a lot of times when I’m dealing with entities that aren’t the people, as soon as I start to ask questions, like, identify yourself, they’ll give up immediately. Like the bad ones, or like tricksters? So as soon as you start to ask questions, they’ll do this like laugh thing where they’re like, huh. And they just kind of go away because they know you’re not going to put up with their bs. So, you can kind of flush ’em out really quickly.

They don’t have the persistence that the actual spirit has. The true spirit will be persistent and consistent. And it’s like this truth that the energy doesn’t change. Whereas the trickster ones, they’ll try to put on the guise of, and then they can’t really maintain that energy, so you can flush ’em out really quickly. Yeah. They can’t sustain it. So, that’s my advice. It’s very much an energetic thing. You need to practice and not everything that comes through is accurate. For me, it started with talking to friends and family; “this person is coming through, here’s what they’re sharing with me”, and then getting them to verify the information and make sure the information that you’re getting is true. So I would say start with friends and family before you start letting people who are global celebrities come through because you’ve got to make sure the information you’re getting is accurate. start small. Go from there.

Johnny Burke: Remember, be cynical!

Christina Cannes: Be cynical, be discerning, and keep yourself safe and clear the energy out. Every time you have a conversation, you clear that energy, and you set your boundaries so that you’re safe and protected.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Christina, thanks again for joining us. There might be a part two or a part three. This is going to get interesting. in the meantime, how can our listeners find out more about you online?

Christina Cannes: Oh, you can find me at www.bigbeautifulsky.com my website, or on Instagram, @bigbeautifulsky. any questions, just send me an email or a message. I’m happy to help you out.

#125 Toni Reilly: Reincarnation and Life Between Lives

June 10, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Life Between Lives, Reincarnation

#drtonireiily, #lifebetweenlives, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #reincarnation

Johnny Burke: Welcome closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Tony Reilly,(@tonireilly) She is a soul life coach, an author, and one of Australia’s most sought after past life regression specialists. Her soul life coaching program represents the next step in the evolution in past life regression, and her goal is to ultimately change the face of psychology. Toni, welcome to the program.

Toni Reilly: Morning, Johnny. Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: It is morning where you are, isn’t it? I keep forgetting that. I’m in Florida and you’re in Australia.

Toni Reilly: We

on the opposite. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: hence the Sunday night recording. Excellent. Okay, cool. So you’re a hypnotherapist and a coach. how did you segue into past lives and reincarnation?

Toni Reilly: my life was very ordinary and mainstream up until about my mid-thirties, and at that stage I became intrigued about intuition. My own intuition was the first time I realized that I had it or it was a thing for me. And in the process of trying to develop that, I started to meditate. And I didn’t know that normal people meditated. I thought monks meditated.

So in meditation I realized I had all of these clair senses and they worked and they were brilliant. The lady who was teaching me to meditate told me to read Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss. When I read that book, I read it in one go and thought to myself. This is what I’m here to do. It was a revelation; I hadn’t had anything to do with past lives before reading that book. From there it was a bit of a process to quickly get it happening and do something with it.

Johnny Burke: That book was or is a life changer, a game changer for many people, and his signature has been felt throughout that industry, and on this podcast, there’s been several people that were trained by Brian Weiss .And I read the book, and it was pretty incredible, to say the least. So that makes sense. What is a Soul Life coach?

Toni Reilly: A soul life coach– they’re more a therapist actually, it’s someone who’s trained to go deeper than the story that we tell as people because we, we usually want coaching because we need some help or we’ve got a problem. So what we do as a soul life coach is go beyond. The story and help that person understand themselves and why they feel the way that they do go to an emotional level, and if that’s really for this day stuff.

But if there are issues that can help boost people’s esteem or confidence, or help them relieve themselves of fear or a phobia, then we can delve into the past lives or even go beyond to help them discover their purpose So that’s really the difference. We, we consider the soul

Johnny Burke: I know that you also wrote a book called, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. But I think you just hinted about going beyond the past life. Would that be the life between lives space? and

Toni Reilly: And even beyond that

Johnny Burke: I just opened up a pandora’s Box.

Toni Reilly: You did. Even beyond that, the between, if I would just dumb it down, the between life space is where there’s information about either the past lives you’re leading or the current life that you’re leading. So it’s almost like a bit of a space where humans or people can go and interact and get some relief messages, some guidance for themselves. Whereas there’s even beyond that where it’s really, dare I say nothing. The most beautiful nothing where we’re all one. And this is this place where people are always talking about, ‘oh, we’re all one.’ But it’s there. You can feel it and can visit there. They don’t let you stay there long. It’ll usually be you’ve got to go back now. So, yeah, different spaces to go and get answers from.

Johnny Burke: What I’ve been told by many practitioners like yourself is that it is a place where soul contracts take place. Soul family members are discovered, oh. And one of my favorites, the life review, which really almost makes my brain hurt to think about these things, but, it almost seems too good to be true. Is that me or have you heard that before?

Toni Reilly: I think it does seem too good to be true. It’s almost something that you must experience to appreciate. That it’s true. It feels true when you do this, when you go there, when you visit there. It can be a hard concept to fathom, but all of the things, thinking for a start is a human thing. It only happens here in this body. So once we are relieved of the body and we’re in soul energy, or we’re visiting because we’re in between lives or beyond, then we don’t have. The brain or the thoughts to deal with. We don’t have hierarchy; we don’t have time. Nothing of our human existence, and most of all, we don’t have emotion.
That’s why it’s just this amazing feeling there. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: That’s incredible. Now in this space, lots of questions that usually come up when people start talking about past life regression and then the in between life space and then obviously the soul contracts, soul family members as I mentioned before. In these sessions, is it true that we actually choose what period we’re going to reincarnate into a certain period?

Toni Reilly: I honestly can’t say that for sure because the work that I do is for people to feel better now in this life yes, we go back to past lives to help them understand now as well. But when we go in between, they’re usually, they’re asking about now. So the answers that they get in my sessions are for now.
So whether they chose to come into this time zone, or there’s another era,

I should say, I’m not sure because always I’m dealing with this life or predominantly everything’s leading back to what’s going on now and why.

Johnny Burke: the whole purpose of regression therapy, as described in Many Lives, Many Masters was there was a female patient that had some kind of an issue. And in this case, the practitioner was just trying to find the cause, and the origin of the problem. Correct?

Toni Reilly: Yes, she had many symptoms.

Johnny Burke: She had many symptoms, but what he did not count on being taken back to a life that took place what was it, 3000 years ago? That’s how he discovered it.

Toni Reilly: What does happen, Johnny though, in regression is they don’t go linear. Let’s say someone’s dealing with let’s say, anxiety for just pulling something out of the air. They might go back to a caveman time, and then if they go to another life, it might be in the sixties. So there’s no, there’s no linear time when they’re recalling them. They go to where there’s something that’s happened that makes sense of what’s going on now. It’s very cool.

Johnny Burke: Almost sounds like a science fiction movie. And also speaking of movies, I’ve heard many, many times, again, from practitioners and experiencers, that planning of the next incarnation amongst several soul family members, I imagine it’s like casting a play or a movie.

Toni Reilly: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Is that your experience or that of your clients?

Toni Reilly: Yes, It, is like casting a film, it really is. And also something I’ve discovered from all 20 years of working with this is everything is destined. Everything is planned. Every little detail, I think people get annoyed about it and they’re like, ‘oh, you know, its allowing, side stepping and not taking responsibility. ‘But actually what it does is it helps you become at ease with everything that happens and be at more at peace especially when obviously we’re really only concerned when terrible things happen or things that make us feel bad, but you get into this more philosophical mindset of, oh, well, it was meant to be. So why? And start looking for why instead of feeling so victimized by our lives and our circumstances. It’s extraordinary. And I think this is something also that people discover when they do regression or go beyond that, life is planned, and we are to be with certain people or certain souls

Johnny Burke: Everything happens for a reason.

Toni Reilly: It does happen for a reason. Yeah, and often it’s not until hindsight that people are able to fathom, ‘ oh, I get why that happened. ‘And then of course in the moment it’s also not beneficial to tell someone that in the moment when they’re going through something because they have to reach that understanding themselves. Otherwise you’re poking a bee if you like. But yeah, it all turns out,

Johnny Burke: That means that they are on their path and to interrupt them on their path, you’re not really doing the good that you think that you might be
doing.

Toni Reilly: That’s right, yes.

Johnny Burke I think it’s amazing that no matter who I talk to, who has real credible experience in this space, in the L B L space , the accounts, the details are a little bit different, but the, the structure, the hierarchy, the way how things happen is almost identical. It’s not that I’m in a rush to get there, but I don’t know. It seems pretty, seems like it’s a lot of fun to me,

Toni Reilly: Oh, Johnny, that means if you have not done an L B L yourself, we must do one.

Johnny Burke: That might be a discussion for another day, but yeah, I get that. You’re not the first person to bring that up. When I do the interviews, someone will say, a guest speaker will say, ‘so, Johnny, when are you going to do this?’ and I invariably will respond. ‘Oh, I’m going to get around to it at some point.’

I don’t want to make this about me. It’s about the speaker. But that’s a fair point. Your book, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. Tell us a little bit about that. I would imagine this work had a lot to do with inspiring that work.

Toni Reilly: It did. It did because as I started to do this work, it was a culmination. At the same time, I became so aware of my own stuff and the two of these things together, working with people and also becoming really aware, self-aware of myself, made me realize that absolutely everything in life was quite simple, really. And that one person’s life is easy to outline as to why, why we have these parents? Why did we go to that school? Why do we go to 20 schools? just every little detail has a purpose.

This is what I tried to do when I wrote The Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here, was to just outline the simplicities in life that are fundamental to an individual’s life and how it plays out. So that was what I tried to portray because also I felt that people have this idea that the purpose of life is something different to what it is. It’s very simple, really. The purpose of life is every moment of every day. That’s what I tried to portray in that book.

I did some things, I met somebody towards the end of my marriage. People didn’t talk about these things that happen. But when you work in therapy with people, it happens all the time. And we are quiet about relationships and relating to people, which is a massive part of the purpose of life and judging it from a moral perspective, but really it doesn’t matter because all it does is make people hide what they’re doing.

It’s still all going on because we’re here having these experiences and we’re meant to encounter this person or that person. So I tried to be very honest with what I had done and what I had experienced. I’ll umbrella it with love at first sight, which is this irresistible pull when you come across somebody in your park. But this happens not just for love, it happens for all sorts of things.
So the book was generally about I’m going to call myself an everyday life and how it transpires. Of course, everyone doesn’t get into past lives, but still,

Johnny Burke: A simple answer to what is the purpose of life and why we’re here. It’s pretty much just to learn because as you just mentioned before, everything has a purpose. Every event. And I believe it’s for all of us to learn, not just me, the soul group, even all the bad stuff.

Toni Reilly: I feel like when I first started, it was very we’re here to learn what are we learning this time? But what I also discovered was it was less about learning in terms of we’re paying back, or we didn’t learn it last time. We’re going to learn it next time. I found that that’s not really how it works and that it was easier to call it, we’re here for an experience. I think people also get wound up in, ‘have I learned what I was supposed to? ‘We all do the things mapped out, and we’re going to have our experiences and we will learn. Everybody learns through life. We grow, we evolve. It’s a cycle of life. But I feel like when we are learning, people get this idea that they could fail. But we can’t fail. We’re all going to go through our process just as it was planned or pre-planned, pre outlined, and it will turn out that we experience exactly what we were meant to.

Johnny Burke: By saying that everything is planned, there are several people, well, probably millions, that really have a problem with that, especially when bad things happen. Right. But you’re saying. And not just you, by the way, that bad things happen- some of them are actually planned, even like the horrible things because we are apparently supposed to learn from them. Right? Okay.
: So self-awareness, in your work is very important. I believe your quote says “self-awareness is the ultimate activism.”

Toni Reilly: Yes. yes. Self-awareness, I feelis the way that we can change the world because if we can be aware of ourselves and what we’re doing and what affects us, we then become naturally tolerant of other people who maybe aren’t aware of what they’re doing or why. So somehow, and you know, the result of self-awareness really is calmness.? A calmness. It’s peace, I suppose. But this calmness that, Where you don’t feel like you need to get all involved in, in what’s going on with other people or even within the world because if you take care of yourself and what you are putting out there, it ripple effects out and good keeps happening or people are growing from their experiences and not getting so involved in outwardly not looking at themselves, which is what I feel activism is. It’s like, whoa, you probably need to sort your own stuff out first, before dictating to other people what’s right or wrong. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Do you feel that knowing what you know now that everything is planned for purpose for us to learn evolve. Is it a waste of time and energy to judge anyone where it’s actually easier to make the choice that they are exactly where they need to be, like everybody, and it’s a waste of time for me to judge them?. So I’m not going to interfere. I’m just going to say they are where they are, whether I like them or not, whether they irritate me or not. Do you agree?

Toni Reilly: Yes, yes, I do agree, but I think we are still people here and judgment is also part of the human experience, and we do need it to some extent, to survive as a person because we need to be discerning. But I think judging people, it’s probably no matter how self-aware you get, I think there’s always still going to be at least a little bit of judgment because people are so different to ourselves and it, it can be confronting. I guess what would happen is, It’s for less time. And you always come back to, ‘well, they’re doing their thing and they are so don’t get yourself all worked up about it.

Johnny Burke: Right. Discernment is absolutely necessary. You’re right, right. But when I say judging someone in a negative way without knowing anything about this person, to me that’s just a waste of energy really.

Toni Reilly: I feel like that is a waste of energy. I do think that is the piece that you, come to where why would you Yeah. And I guess that’s kind of nasty judgment, isn’t it? It happens quite a bit, but certainly once the awareness kicks in Yeah. that all just filters away.

Johnny Burke: That reminds me of something else-you also talk about, Gen Z as being different.

Toni Reilly: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Tell us what that means for us and because that’s relevant to this time period we in right now.

Toni Reilly: Yes, it is. So this is also part of the work that I did, is I developed a part of the self-awareness work is I developed a platform based on numerology. I call it life map. Because of that, what I know is a certain energy. The energy of the numbers from our birthdate. Of course it goes deeper, but based on just the birthdate, it determines what our character and our personality is going to be, and it determines the parts of ourselves that we cannot change.

We could try, but we cannot change who we are inherently at the core. what happens with the Gen Z is it starts in I, I think the mid-nineties, but actually when it really changes is in 2000 because from the year 2000, every single individual who was born gets two energy in their character, in their personality, and they don’t all have a one or a nine, which we all had because we were born in 19, whatever. So nine energy is thinking, so ideas, one energy is practical, it’s doing, whereas two energy is the heart and the feeling and the intuition. So what happens when you get these kids, or they’re 23 now actually, but we got these kids starting to be born. They all have that two. The energy of that two, within their psyche inherently.

So what that does is it comes with natural empathy and something they can’t avoid. some of them didn’t even get one or nine or the other practical or thinking energy. So what it means is they default to intuition, not logic. And because of that, they are more easily able to read what’s going on. Probably even if they’re in a bad situation, they’re most likely be able to come to the realization of why is that person doing that? Or why are they like that? Why is this happening? so that’s the main difference. They’re sensitive. They’re all sensitive. And if you can imagine across humanity, no matter their culture, they all come with this inherent kindness or sensitivity, so that’s why they’re different.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that there’s a difference between the Gen Z kids and the millennials that came before them. I thought it was just my imagination, apparently not. Interesting stuff. And you also mentioned intuition and heart. Heart, heart technology, heart- centered. These are all just terms that have been coming up a lot. One woman told me recently that type of thing is a marker of a different dimension, higher consciousness. Do you agree or is that something completely different?

Toni Reilly: I do think it would be associated with higher consciousness, but if I were talking about higher consciousness, I would talk about us as a soul because. When we’re just souls, we’re everything. We just don’t have these human thoughts or characteristics. So we are very pure, and I think that the heart, as far as being a human, the heart center of us or our intuition is the closest that we get within our, our jumbled up humanness that is part of that consciousness, yes.

Johnny Burke: So could that possibly be a marker of the 5D that a lot of these intuitives are talking about these days?

Toni Reilly: I have to be honest and say I’ve heard people talk about 5D, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve never studied it or even really read about it, but what I know is from the work that I’ve been doing is as humanity is evolving and what it’s doing is evolving back almost to when we began in some ways because we were much more intuitive and they were watching what the moon was doing and the stars and these kinds of things, but much more intuitive.

So we’re evolving back to that more connected people. and I think we’ve had our explosion of corporates and all that, and it’s slowly, well, actually, probably pretty fast in the last little while coming down and bringing us back to a sort of more connected humanity. So it’s changing and I do feel that humanity is an experiment that we’re all part of. With each generation it evolves some more e exactly as it’s meant to. So everything that’s happened through the course of humanity has meant to happen. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: So it could be that we are returning to a time or a place in our consciousness where we were more intuitive and we’re more heart-centered, maybe even more towards a group consciousness rather than a zero-sum type thing where it’s always me against you and there’s got to be a loser for every winner. Speaking of which, have you had experience in your sessions where one of your clients was taking back to an ancient time, were maybe the civilizations were more advanced consciousness wise?

Toni Reilly: Yes, it happens all the time. The simplest thing to say is, Earth is not the only place that we incarnate. So yes, people go to other places, other places, and they’re all, I guess, places of experimentation or experiences for the soul to have. but I noticed with any other place that people go, it’s always more energetic and- I’m going to say easier than Earth. Earth is the hard one. The other places are much more,

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that.

Toni Reilly: I’m just going to say energetic and different. Nice. Even.Yeah.

Johnny Burke: agree. I’ve heard that quite a bit. , I don’t want to call them stories because that makes it sound like fiction. I’m hearing a lot more about people incarnating from other worlds, other systems. And I know that there’s that part of the population that will always kind of roll their eyeballs and smirk when people talk about Pleiadeans and all these other, far-out places, which I know nothing about, but I hear it a lot you probably hear it a lot more than I do. pretty interesting stuff,right? And I’ve heard, speaking of which, that earth is a primitive- I heard this last week, a primitive and warlike planet that’s how we’re looked upon.

Toni Reilly: Yeah, it’s very dense and very, hands on, literally, because we don’t have any of this touch, taste, sound, nothing like that unless we’re here in this body. But Johnny, you know what, on the other places that people go, what’s really exciting about this work is people come along not knowing anything about other places. They’re so mainstream and still sometimes they’ll go off somewhere and they come back like,’ what the was that?’ ‘But it’s happened. They felt it. They saw it, and it’s so reassuring because they’re as shocked as anyone else, and most likely we’re an eye roller before you know if they’d even heard of it at all.

Johnny Burke: I was one of those people not really that long ago. I was always interested in, past lives and near-death experiences and that type of thing, and I never had a doubt about the survival of consciousness, even when I was a young kid. But when people start talking about ETs and different planets and Pleiadeans, I wouldn’t roll my eyeballs, but I would think, seriously? Okay.

I’m as skeptical as many people because I have to think what’s the motive? What would incentivize someone to make that up? Are they selling something? Is it a book? Is it a show? Is it a movie? I don’t know. But the more and more I dive into this, I hear about this stuff a lot. My question is always going to be ,okay for once and for all, would one of these beings come down in a ship or whatever and just put all this to rest so we can get on with our lives?

And according to someone that’s going to be on the show, and I think in about a month, he’s saying there is going to be a new cosmic master that’s going to come down here. And I said,’ is it going to be next week?’ I don’t know Johnny. ‘And I said, ‘great. Can you get him to interfere in the next election? Had to bring that up he had no idea. He got a laugh out of it. Anyway. Speaking of missions, you have a mission to change the face of psychology.

And you also believe that soul life coaching is the next step in the evolution of past life regression. So did the mission or the goal to change the face of psychology create the soul life coaching? Or did the soul life coaching come first?

Toni Reilly: Well, it all started as past life regression as I mentioned, I was on my own sort of self-awareness path, so, it all ended up sort of coming together. Past life regression quickly turned into between lives or there were stages where people were going elsewhere, and then of course, beyond which I call it home,

I think that a lot of people who’ve had any of these experiences call at home. But what happened with it was, I was very conscious that you’re still here as a person and we’re living life and we’re having relationships and we have to survive here, and we have to make the most of it. Life is fun. There’s some good stuff we can do here that we can’t do when we’re not in our body.

So I felt like if we can bring both together, we can make this life better and good, and hopefully a lot more fearless, making the most of it while we’re here. Because the truth is we are, we’re all leaving here we know there’s always been birth and death, so we’re all going through, it’s like make the most of it while you’re here if it’s at all possible.

So I feel like this type of coaching, or this type of psychology is so positive for people to get them back to a place where they can really live, live better, live well, feel good about themselves. So that’s what the whole mission turned into.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Do you feel that this work, especially the L B L space, has anything to do with the expansion of consciousness- which we’re not the only ones talking about that, obviously. Is there a connection there or not really? You tell me.

Toni Reilly: Oh, I’m sure there is. I’m sure there is. When somebody, when a person goes in between or beyond or even into a past life, there is without a doubt- whether they question or not, healthy skeptic, it happens and they know that they didn’t make it up. The emotion comes with it. So across the board, they are immediately more conscious and knowing that there’s so much more than just life and us here, our body. So it’s super awakening or beneficial.

Johnny Burke: To answer my other question, how this can change psychology, it seems to be that this type of work can not only expand consciousness -for all of us, hopefully, but it can also get to the heart of an issue a lot quicker than conventional. What do you call it? Couch therapy? Or whatever it is, probably a lot less expensive as well. What are your thoughts?

Toni Reilly: Well with me it’s an investment, but with soul life coaches, it’s the most amazing experience. It gets to the core of the issues fast and it helps people make sense of their lives and what’s going on and why. That’s the key. Soul Life Coaching is going to help you understand why and maybe one other thing I’d love to just say real quick is, every single one of us comes here with insecurity. It’s part of our mission. It’s part of the purpose of life. And when you understand what yours is and, and potentially, the ones that others have, there’s not that many. Everything just seems to open up and make sense as to why we react the way we do, why we behave the way we do. Some things we can’t change, some we can, and it helps our problems or challenges that we face make sense and dissolve, I suppose. Help us heal and move through.

Johnny Burke: Agree. Yeah, that makes total sense to me. Anything else that we should know?

Toni Reilly: Woo. Well, my favorite thing is to believe in yourself, doing the self-work it’s magical. You can’t turn back after that.

Johnny Burke: No turning back. Okay. I think I’m going to quit there. I don’t think I can top that. Great. And so, Tony, thanks so much for joining us this morning. excellent information. How can our listeners find you online?

Toni Reilly: Johnny, they can find me on my website. I’m on all social media, but my website is tonireiilyinstitute.com.

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