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#100 Robyn Locke: Who Are The Elders?

December 16, 2022 by Johnny Burke

#elders, #lifebetweenlives, #lifereview, #reincarnation, #spiritualessence, #thegreaterpurpose, #universallove

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Robin Locke. She is an energy-intuitive author and international speaker, and today we are going to talk about her latest book, The Greater Purpose, the Bridge Between the Physical and Non-Physical World, and the Elders. Robin, welcome to the show.

Robyn Locke: Thank you for having me today.

Johnny Burke: Now for those of us who did not see your first episode, can you tell them a little bit about how you actually do bridge the physical and the non-physical world, or what many people might call the invisible world?

Robyn Locke: So what I’d say is really clearing the mind and stepping beyond what the mind would suggest and having a welcoming space to be able to connect to something beyond my physical knowingness. So it’s just a matter of practice and developing a muscle.

Johnny Burke: you get insights from the Elders. who are the Elders and what do we need to know about them?

Robyn Locke: And so when I first started receiving insights and had been going on for a while, I finally stopped and said, ” what should I call you? “And they said, ” they call us the Elders.” And I said,” Gosh, that sounds so formal, is there something a little bit less formal that I could address you with? ” And they said,” No, this will do for a time and in time we might change that if you prefer, but right now this is what we suggest you would refer to us as.”

Over time I asked them how they would describe themselves and they said, pure consciousness, infinite awareness. They are mostly those who have not embodied and have that 360-degree view of life without the mind or ego and have that all-knowingness of expansiveness and the ability to understand what we’re going through without the constraints of the physical body and the limitations that the mind.

Johnny Burke: So when you say you get insights, how did that start?, was there visuals or how did you come to recognize them?

Robyn Locke: So I would sit in meditation each morning and I would try to clear my mind, and I would pose questions, and I would wait for my mind to become clear of the clutter of the ego or the mentalness. And wait for an insight to come in and I would write it down in a journal or on my laptop when I got to where I could type faster than I could write, and I would record these. It just really became something that I did within my meditational practice before I went to my real job, years ago. So it was something that I kind of developed over time.

Johnny Burke: Now you say the elders are those who have not incarnated, which I believe would be a point of distinction between the elders and spirit guides, who apparently have incarnated. Is that correct?

Robyn Locke: So There may be different understandings that different people have, based on their experience. So I’ll say that although the majority of the Elders have not incarnated, and the ones that I communicate with have not incarnated. There are those within that grouping because it’s hundreds of spiritual beings, and they actually came on a mission here on Earth, but they are of the persuasion of being that infinite awareness that gives insights in a loving sort of way.

The invisible entourage, which I think you’re referencing,are those that I also believe most likely have not incarnated, and are accessible when you start to ask questions and pose questions in prayer and meditation and contemplation where you’re looking for an answer. You have the means of understanding the answer that they’re giving. The Elders are not my invisible entourage. That’s a different category or grouping of beings that are with one. So you have anywhere from five to seven in the entourage with you at all times.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of spirit guides, some can be loved ones who have passed on . It does get a bit confusing though, doesn’t it? There’s different categories of these light beings for a lack of a better description. Would you agree?

Robyn Locke: Yes, and I would say that it’s all a matter of interpretation. So imagine that you’re a guide for an individual. You’re a spiritual being guide that is trying to communicate and give insights, and now someone has passed that is a loved one that you want to communicate with. They’ve been referred to, and we did talk about this the last time as the great mimickers. It’s not meant as a means of deceiving, it’s meant as a means of being able to provide insights in a way that is receptive, that one is receptive to receive.

So I don’t say that they are not joining the group, that’s not my understanding, but it could be another’s understanding, but also consider now that you’re searching, they have the means to give an answer because they’re with you from embodiment to embodiment, and they’re with you during the in-between time. So they’re your resource. When you give an opening to allow them to communicate, perhaps they want to take that to help the life stream that they serve.

Johnny Burke: Do you think it’s true that we can communicate with our past loved ones, through spirit guides? Do you believe that’s possible?

Robyn Locke: Absolutely. All you have to do is focus on their energy. We’re energy at the baseline consideration. And so when a loved one passes, I do it all the time. When I think about my dad or grandfather or someone that is dear, I just focus on them until I feel their energy and then I send them a message of love and I feel that reciprocated. It’s as simple as that. I believe you can connect at any point and at any time. You’re never separated. It’s the mind that believes of separation.

Johnny Burke: So we’re never separated, which means I can think of my mom or any number of people that I know that have passed, and they will acknowledge it. They will feel it. It’s not my imagination, right?

Robyn Locke: Right. And the thing I would say that would be key to that process is that you always begin from the heart space and that you always begin from a centered space of love, and that you asked to be anchored through light and love in the process. Then you just focus on them until you feel their energy. It doesn’t take very long. And then you say what you want to say and allow that feeling to be returned. Because everything at the end of the day is energy. So you’re just sending them an energetic kiss.

Johnny Burke: Energetic kiss. That sounds like a band name. As a matter of fact, I think that is a band. I think they’re from Brooklyn. more on that later. A few moments ago you mentioned something about the Elders and a mission they have. Is that related to what Dolores Cannon talked about in her books? or is that something completely different?

Robyn Locke: You’ll have to share with me what Dolores shared in her books. I pretty much stay true to my books, so that I don’t mix messages.

Johnny Burke: one of our recent speakers, Holly Duckworth, who was somewhat of a protege of Dolores- we don’t really have time to go into all the details of the books, that would probably take hours. But I think, the gist of it is they are light beings that were reincarnated to come back on a mission. It sounds similar to what you’re describing with the Elders. They might be similar beings. They might be the same beings. Tell us about their mission.

Robyn Locke: What I’ll say is that the Elders were in another system of worlds, and they heard about spiritual essence being trapped in human form and that they had lost their way back home. They had lost their awareness of why they were where they were, and so they came on a mission to this planetary system to allow a remembering to allow more than what we have today. So they’re introducing more truths, more understandings, and it’s simply that the mind needs to not limit what is understood. But they came from another system of worlds to allow remembering within humanity for those who quite frankly have been incarnating for quite a long time

Johnny Burke: So those that have been incarnating for a while seem to have lost their purpose or did not remember?

Robyn Locke: Lost their remembering of why they’re here. If you feel like you have a purpose, then you have a purpose. But I’ve been told that not everyone has a purpose. So it’s that inner awareness that you have a purpose, you want to know what it is because quite frankly, you are spiritual essence.

Spiritual essence heard about this Earth platform where you could understand something when you don’t have the feeling ability in spiritual form. And so in order to understand what love truly is, how do you know what love is unless you know what love is not? And so they chose to enter into an agreement to come into physical form. They donned a, what they call a space suit, like an astronaut suit, to be able to breathe in the environment, to be able to walk and talk and do all the things that you would do to have this experience so that when they left this earth plane, this journey, this experience, then they would understand what love truly is.

So those who have forgotten what their objective was to be here in the first place, perhaps have not enacted or understood that purpose. They have forgotten their objective, their mission, their reason for being in this earth space. And so what the Elders seek to do is to remind them so that then they can enact what they came here to understand and move beyond this earth experience in the rounds of reincarnation, which will continue until they satisfy the agreement that they entered into to incarnate here.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned that the Elders have been here. Do you know approximately how long ago was that in terms of Earth time?

Robyn Locke: They don’t know time-

Johnny Burke: They don’t.

Robyn Locke: Time does not exist there, but what they shared in the Awaken book, which launched recently, the first chapter is my soul’s first personality’s- my first embodiment, because we’re all connected. It was beyond an earlier than recorded time. It was a more advanced time than today. What they shared with me most recently is, we have had a higher evolution that has devolved and now is evolving in a higher way now, but not certainly anywhere near the higher evolution that we once were.

Johnny Burke: Now that seems to imply that thousands of years ago, we did have an advanced, civilization here. Not just in terms of technology, but in terms of consciousness.

Robyn Locke: I think they always talk in terms of consciousness. I received an update the other day in how to incorporate the means of manifestation in universal love, which was something that was done in this more highly evolved time. And it was the time they called the wanting, the wanting time. So today you donate to a charity to help those who are a part of that charity who receive support from that charity. This is the means to create a manifestation energy mixed with universal love that actually buoys up a whole community, individuals within that community. You direct that energy toward, and it is an elixir, more or less. I’d asked for a new insight because a lot of times I feel like we’re giving the same update and I wanted something more. So this was in response to my request to have something more to be given. And it is this development of this energy elixir, and it’s going to be released on. So it’ll be on my YouTube channel.

Johnny Burke: All right. in your experience with the Elders, your insights sound like downloads. It’s almost like you get a firmware update or something. Have they given you any kind of knowledge of ancient civilizations?

Robyn Locke: They do, and they have- they’ve given me three. One was a lost civilization; one was a story from a long time ago. It’s fun to receive those because they give kernels of insights within each of them, you have to really listen. I’ve started doing blog posts where it’s not from the Elders, but from me explaining what the Elders are giving, because sometimes they give it in such an esoteric way you may miss the message. So what I’m trying to do now is to start the blog post with something from me and then link it to the YouTube that will come out that same day.

Johnny Burke: So they have mentioned ancient or lost civilizations. Can you give us a hint of what that lost civilization was, or if there was more than one?

Robyn Locke: They don’t give particulars. They give insights into the civilization that they discuss. It’s not like they describe it, but what I know for sure is that I had an embodiment after my initial one that I worked in technology and it was a very advanced time, but apparently, my personality pushed against was customary at the time, tried to introduce something that was before its time or not acceptable. It’s caused subsequent embodiments with technology to have technology issues. I was doing something the other day with a launch, and it was almost like a sack was put over my head, and I did some work on that this morning because I believe that that was some experience that was held in that embodiment. So what I believe for sure is the value of knowing earlier embodiments is to understand limitations that we may hold in this lifetime.

Johnny Burke: When you say you worked in technology, that seems to be that took place in a period before recorded time here on Earth? Was it that long ago?

Robyn Locke: Yes.

Johnny Burke: I’m curious. How many thousands of years ago was that?

Robyn Locke: They don’t give time. They don’t recognize time. In the Awaken book, they talk about a parallel universe and time travel and all sorts of uniquenesses. And they say time does exist concurrently. So if you can almost imagine that some of this is going on concurrent to this one, but it was in a very different time. So it’s the time factor is something that we feel very tangibly here because we’re physical, but when you’re not physical and it’s just energy, it’s different.

Johnny Burke: That is a mind-bender.

Robyn Locke: It is a mind-bender, isn’t it?

Johnny Burke: It is. And I’ve heard several times that there is no time, everything exists at once. I had someone on the show recently, I believe it was Holly Duckworth, and she was talking about an experience where Dolores Cannon, who was her teacher and her mentor, had a discussion across time with Nostradamus, and I think that is just incredibly cool. But I’m thinking, Okay, so she had a discussion with Nostradamus back in whatever century that was. So you believe time travel is actually possible?

Robyn Locke: I don’t focus on a lot of this. I just know what they have told me, and I trust the Elders. So they’re from the energy of love and my purpose is service. And so truth is my life purpose. Because we don’t talk about the life purpose, we talk about the original purpose, which is the bigger, more vast purpose or greater purpose. There is so much more than I think we can individually conceptualize. They said the mind is like a computer and it hasn’t been programmed for spiritual objectives, so I don’t limit any of that with my limited knowledge because I don’t believe we could mentally handle what really is, because we’d just be blown out of the water. So most give little kernels that we can kind of get around and digest. I think I know 1% of 1% of 1%, but I don’t know by any stretch all that there is.

Johnny Burke: So, in other words, trying to really understand the concept of time or no time is probably beyond our comprehension in this current incarnation. Eventually when we cross over, hopefully then we’ll get it.

Robyn Locke: so what I will say when we pass, we hold the same belief system that we hold now. So if you believe something that’s partially true but not fully true, you’ll be reinforced by everything that you currently believe. Your belief system travels with you to that in between transitory time, they’ve shared that in The Greater Purpose. So if you believe something, Is kind of right, but not completely right. It will be reinforced and then you’ll plan your next life using what they call faulty material, not complete information.

Johnny Burke: So there’s no teacher there giving you the correct answers to the test, is what you’re saying?

Robyn Locke: No, because what Universe says is you have free will, and so if you wanted to know more, you would have looked for more in this lifetime. It would be a diminishment of your free will election to tell you that what you believe is not so at that point in time. Does that make sense?

Johnny Burke: Yep. Even with my earth brain, I think I can understand that. You’ve mentioned the in-between space, and agreements. I believe this is from the book: “the remembrance will enable our ability to stop the rounds of incarnation and complete the agreement we set up.” Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Robyn Locke: So the Greater Purpose is a three-purpose trilogy book set that is combined into one. The second book in the set is called The Original Purpose, and in that, it talks about the transitory time, and it talks about that in-between time and the remembrances and all of those details. In the third book, which is the most recent Enact Your Purpose, it talks about how you are not your mind, how you are separate from that. It gives the analogy of you donning a space suit to be in this lifetime today. And so all of this melds together to give you a more definitive understanding of what all of this is about.

This is where they compare the mind to and all of this to a computer and say that oftentimes the computer operator is watching the computer as a computer decides what it wants to do. So we need to become that conscious awareness where we take back the decision-making and recognize that the mind will lead us off track oftentimes because it’s like the teenager without the curfew.

Johnny Burke: Teenager without a curfew. What a lot of us have heard about the in-between space, life between lives and I think Michael Newton in his books talked about this quite a bit. Is this the place where we make soul agreements with the soul family? I’ve been told it’s almost like casting a movie. Do you find the same thing or is it a little bit different?

Robyn Locke: It’s very similar to that. When spiritual essence wanted to have this experience, they had to encapsulate it into a soul. So the soul isn’t necessary, and that’s why someone once referred to the Elders as departed souls and the Elders responded that you may not know the energy in which you’re speaking to, because they are not departed souls. They didn’t mean it in an insulting way, but they meant it that you’re not understanding the energy in which you’re communicating. And so departed souls are often those that want to come back and give a message they didn’t have a complete life, or they want to share more or they’re not ready, whatever the issue is, but that’s not this. So within the experience and the transitory time there is the faulty material that we’re basing our next incarnation.

So imagine today there is a lot of unrest within, let’s say, our population. The people that are fueling that feel very empowered and correct and right in what they’re doing. So imagine that you’re in a space and you believe whatever is believed and now you’re given reinforcement of that faulty belief system, and you formulate your next life based on those faulty beliefs. You can almost see it in the world today.

Johnny Burke: This is one of the things I could never quite understand. When we talk about karma, we are responsible for our behavior, our acts, what we do here on Earth. If you take a scene, where this group starts making decisions like, in my next incarnation:” You’re going to be my mom. You’re going to be my dad; you’re going to be the friend that betrays me. You’re going to be the girl that, breaks my heart,” whatever that is. They come down here, right? And some people have decided to play the bad guy. Do you think it’s true that once they go back to that in-between space they’re going to feel what they have made others feel ?

Robyn Locke: Yes and no. So what I believe is that when you go into that in-between space, sometimes you need a villain because you want to experience, and they’re helping you experience that thing by taking on that role. what I’ve been told about the review process is that it’s not an in-depth review. It’s snippets. It’s like little components. It gives the individual the overall flavor of the lifetime. Because the intention isn’t to make one feel bad or feel in a lower space. The intention is to review and give an assessment but in the space of love. So the other thing that you mentioned was about the agreement, I believe that the agreement is the thing that brings you into embodiment the first time. I don’t know that the agreement is reinforced in the in-between times because what I believe happens is the original incarnation is where you have the closest stability to enact your original purpose for entering into physical form. As different incarnations occur, there is less and less and less of remembrance, not only of the original purpose but of the divine lineage from which you came.

So there is that forgetfulness that we are in now. You can imagine that many had been incarnating before recorded history, that would mean that there is a great diminishment of understanding and of remembering and of recall. And there haven’t been books that directly go to the steps that need to be done so that an individual can reconnect to why they are here and what they can do to move out of the rounds of incarnation because karma has been misinterpreted by mankind or whoever wrote some of the definitions. The manmade inference is that you have to atone and make right past indiscretions. The Elders have said if you choose to do that, through your free will election. You may be coming here for a very long time, but the true meaning of karma is to make whole.

Johnny Burke: That’s a very interesting point you just made. So in other words, just so we all understand this, the Elders have basically told you, if we understand karma as atonement, we’re going to be coming back again, again and again.

Robyn Locke: If we believe it and accept it, if we embrace it, it’s free will. I believe that. I wanted to make right all my wrongs. I wanted to atone for everything that I had done. And they said, it’s not like that- this space is meant to be where you make mistakes because the mistakes make you look a different direction. So don’t try to make right what need not be perfect. You came for perfection. Now you’re in a space of imperfection and the imperfection is needed to show you a different direction, a different path, and to make a different choice.

Johnny Burke: Going back to the in-between space and the soul group; the casting, for a lack of a better description is done in such a way that the group learns as a whole. Depending on what role you’re supposed to play, good or bad, the objective is not just for you to learn, it’s for the entire group to learn. Does that make sense?

Robyn Locke: It does, and I don’t know that I have heard it that way. Everything I’ve heard is more individual and you need different players to come in. It discusses this in the Awaken book where it talks about needing antagonists, needing adversarial components in your storyline. When you recognize that many of the antagonists within your storyline are merely a reflection of the one who doesn’t like them. When you recognize that there are people that you hear all the time that people don’t like in politics, and they really almost rub them in a visceral way. Like it’s a deep angst that they feel. I always will ask when I hear that, “Well, what is it that you don’t like about them?”

If you can understand that the thing that often people don’t like is the very thing that they embrace. And no one likes to see someone doing something that they don’t like themselves doing. So it’s a mirror image and once we recognize that a lot of those things that we see is bad are simply reflections of us, and we see the gift in what was given, and we can look at the experience differently, and then we may not feel that way toward that individual anymore. They were simply needed to show us what we couldn’t see within ourselves.

Johnny Burke: I do like that, and it reminds me of what a friend of mine told me recently, He said,” I listened to your podcast on all these different episodes, and I really like how you dive into the in-between space and try to make sense of it. Could it be that if one were to look at his or her surroundings instead of saying, this person’s mean, this guy’s a dick, this girl’s a bitch,or whatever, merely look at them as if they’re playing a role. If you look at them that way, they’re playing a part. That’s what they were directed to do. That’s what they signed up for. That’s what I signed up for. That means I don’t have to judge them- it’s not good or bad, it’s just experience.

Robyn Locke: So the elders have said judgment is self-judgment. So whatever you judge the other person to be, how would you know what that person does? Really? How do you know what they think?

Johnny Burke: We don’t

Robyn Locke: But you know what you think and we know what you know. And so when you judge, it is the realization that you see that component in yourself. What they recommend- I think it’s in chapter nine of Awaken, that you have a journal, and you list all the characteristics about this individual and you go through a process. So that you can see and then release what was unseen before. It’s all meant to be a journey. It’s all self-discovery.

Anytime something doesn’t happen, it’s not because of them, it’s because of the energy that we individually keep. So when our energy shifts, we broadcast energy differently. That energy goes out and gathers more of its kind before returning back to you. So when you’re at a different energetic state, then you’re going to get a different energy in return. Once you have that realization, these people won’t bother you in the same way that they used to, and they’ll either exit your life or you’ll see them and you don’t care in the same way that you did before, or what they say will flow over and through you and you’ll chuckle at it and think it’s absurd. So that’s where the transformation happens, because now you freed yourself from the mental bonds that you had before because what the mind interjects is most of the time factually incorrect.

Johnny Burke: Does that have anything to do with what you describe as the mind being separate from us? The mind is not us?

Robyn Locke: Yes. And they explain that very eloquently. And I don’t know if we have time, but it’s a great explanation I never understood it fully, but I do now.

Johnny Burke: Well, we might have another installment because it seems like we do have a little bit more work to do on this. Robin, thanks for coming back onto the show. in the meantime, I believe the best way to find out more about you and your books is at www. Advanced energetics.org.

#100 Robyn Locke: Yes.

#93 John Koenig: My Autobiographies: An Introduction to Past Life Exploration

October 29, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives

#lifeinbetweenlives, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #reincarnation

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is John Koenig. He’s a board-certified hypnotist, past life facilitator, and author of My Autobiographies. An Introduction to Past Life Exploration for Personal and Spiritual Growth. Today, we will be talking about his journeys as a past life explorer, John, welcome to the program.

John Koenig: Thanks for having me.

Johnny Burke: So being a board-certified hypnotist, was the interest in past lives, a normal progression, or did that interest come from something else?

John Koenig: It was really something else. The truth is I wasn’t particularly interested. I was very interested in Buddhism and Zen, that kind of thing. I was interested in telepathy, but not reincarnation. I met a wife of a friend who was doing past life facilitation. On a whim, I went to a session with her and immediately found myself experiencing life as an 18th century, member of the First Continental Dragoons. And it blew me away. I couldn’t believe that I was having this incredible experience, rich experience.

Johnny Burke: Past life facilitator, is that the same thing as past life regression?

John Koenig: Yes, fundamentally, but she did a technique that I’ve never run across before or since obviously. I don’t even know what she did. All I know is I sit down; I take a few deep breaths? And I’m very, very adept at going into trance. They used me as a Guinea pig at hypnotist events. So I went out pretty quick, I guess. So yeah, she was a regressionist.

Johnny Burke: You said that you experienced a life in the 18th century. Tell us a little bit more about, what it felt like and how you kind of knew that it wasn’t a dream or your imagination?

John Koenig: it was fascinating. First, she had me speak and you could either speak about the experience, whereas you can speak from who you were. And I started speaking from who I was and introduced myself as I started to say Corporal Riley, but then I edited to Private Riley and he was a pretentious little guy. He had a silk shirt, it was his big claim to fame and he was on a mission to give a message to his captain. And he went to this house, there was either a party or a big, meeting taking place. I walked into the room and there was something weird. This happens to me over and over in past lives that I don’t quite understand. Then I realized I was looking at a big, big room lit by candles.

The light is very different. In my life I’ve never been in a big room, lit by candles. And what happened to Riley is the officer who met him at the door, said,” I’ll take the message. And Riley is a pretentious little soul who had pretensions of being, a modern-day American Napoleon back in the day, became very upset. He died shortly after he died in great upset. A lot of the lives I’ve experienced – maybe 24, 25 lives. Usually, there’s some traumatic end to the life in my experience. And also people that I’ve worked with some traumatic end that leaves unresolved issues flopping around. And in Riley’s case, it was, ‘they don’t respect me’ I’m not respected. He had an idea’ I’m going to the big room, like the officer, this message. I’m a big man’ and he dies with that thought. So I experienced his consciousness flying up through the pub. He was in up three floors and that was also interesting.

Johnny Burke: I’m trying to imagine what that must have felt like when you walked into a room,

John Koenig: Hmm.

Johnny Burke: There’s no TVs. There’s no smartphones. None of the trappings of modern 21st-century life. Did you feel kind of spooked or what did that feel like?

John Koenig: I felt intrigued. When I began to realize that I was experiencing something profoundly different. For example, one of the lives I experienced was as a female, a woman and she had three sons. And suddenly I began to sense that her idea as a mother was radically different from mine as her father, and it’s with surprise. It’s like wonder, like how can this be. You know you’re experiencing something that’s odd that’s not typical. That’s one of the ways I kind of validate these experiences. There’s something about them that is unexpected and, and yet real.

Johnny Burke: Everyone would ask, how do we know whether it’s a genuine past life memory or not? I’ve heard from other speakers that they remember often painstaking detail, which dreams don’t because often dreams evaporate almost when you wake up, seems like. Do you find the same thing?

John Koenig: Yeah. Detail. I will say this from my perspective, I really don’t know. Riley was one that a friend of mine investigated, and found that that the First Continental Dragoons did exist, and it was in a certain area where I reported it as Riley. But generally, I really don’t know. Some people think that there’s a DNA thing. Other people think that these are genuine. Some people will tell you that they are manufactured by our subconscious, like a dream. We talked about the idea that adults can be contaminated by television books, media. I’m really impressed with the work of Ian Stevenson.

He began that work, getting little kids. Five-year-olds and he’s got University of Virginia Perceptual Studies. Thousands of kids say this and they go back, and they actually document everything the kids said. So one of the things we talked about is what’s what is it like to live believing that past lives are a fact.? I think it’s wonderful., I get certain things out of that. One thing is I don’t have to get it perfect in this life. And I find, I find

Johnny Burke: Regarding, the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson, it’s a bit hard to really try to debunk that because if I’m not mistaken, he found the kids that have past life memories. They went and found the families and the kids knew so many different things about the families, including family secrets, that in about 1500 cases, they accepted the kid as the reincarnation of their loved one that passed a some time ago.

John Koenig: Yeah. You can choose to willfully not believe that, but I think that’s a choice. You got to bend over backward to refute these things and Stevenson was meticulous. In being ethical and thorough, these things really just happened. These little kids had this very clear image of another life. And when he went back and checked, they did. So, how does that inform you how to live? I think it’s been profound in my life. It’s changed the way I look at people look at myself, and look at what life is all about. I believe this is how it’s done.

Johnny Burke: Do you get a sense that we’re all responsible for our actions?

John Koenig: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: it’s not as if we get a free do-over, let’s say we live a life We hurt people we break the law , but it’s not like at the end of our life, we think, ‘oh, great. I’ll get to do this all over again.’

John Koenig: That’s not the intention of, it. One of the thoughts I’ve had is that humanity- we are growing individually. I call earth spiritual kindergarten and I’ve heard it described as earth school, that we’re here to grow, and I believe we’re growing individually, but also as a species. I think we’re all in this boat together and we’re moving towards something. So if it is spiritual kindergarten, I would prefer not to be left behind this year.

Johnny Burke: I think a lot of us do not want to be left behind, but do you get a sense that we can build up good karma or bad karma and that will have an impact on the next incarnation?

John Koenig: I think there is that. The last life before this life. I experienced myself as a Polish auxiliary SS guy, a young guy. He was a guard at one of the ancillary camps at Auschwitz. Here’s the thing about that, about weird details;

If he looked on your wrist and you had a number, you were already dead. You were just being stored. You were already dead. He dehumanized the people entirely. I picked up karma as a result of that. In this life, my father, his dad died in 1939 or 38 when Adolf Hitler was still a big guy, Time Magazine, front cover man of the year, dictator of the year.

My dad was a wannabe Nazi, so I got to live with a lot of stress that came up from living with a wannabe Nazi. I got to the other side of the fence, the side of the wire, plus a whole bunch of other things. I picked up some bad karma and like most people like Nazis. The guy Ernst wasn’t diabolical, he was just uncaring or banal. His big complaint was that his uniform was not as nicely tailored as the real Germans. He was Aryan but he was basically a Pole. He thought that they thought of him as being a Christian Jew if you can picture that. And these thoughts were unusual to me.

Johnny Burke: How did that life lead from Ernst? That’s his name, right?

John Koenig: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: What was the life, the incarnation, right after?

John Koenig: You’re looking at it -born in 1948.

Johnny Burke: Oh, so, okay.

John Koenig: A lot of people would write about this, say that typically reincarnation occurs like 18 months or so after death. And you know, for me, it would’ve been three years.

Johnny Burke: 18 months?

John Koenig: I’ve heard that said.

Johnny Burke: I would’ve no idea.

John Koenig: I’m not sure. I try to avoid speculation in this stuff. I’ve always was a pragmatist and that’s one of the reasons why I was not interested in past life work, it seemed fanciful or made up. But I’ve learned a lot.

Johnny Burke: It seems exactly like that. A friend of mine who is really interested in this type of thing, he’ll make jokes about people talking about past lives; they’re always like a king or Queen of Sheba or someone important and famous. That seems a little strange to me, but I’ve also heard other people recount experiences from a past life as if they just told me about a trip to the grocery store. Like it’s very matter of fact. So I’ve seen that too.

John Koenig: Well, the Queen of Sheba type people are the least favorite people like me like to work with. They want to experience something. They’re going to shift it into what they want. Most lives like all of my lives were peasants pretty much. I was never a king or usually I say in my book, there’s one king of few nobles. The rest of us are always peasants. And in this life, I’m a peasant, a very privileged peasant to live in 21st century America, but a peasant., when someone wants to do that work, I will actually try to discourage them. Most of the problems people have, I think are generated in our current life. So I will try to discourage somebody if, if they think, “oh yeah, I was Marie Antoinette. “Really? Maybe you were lucky enough to be Marie Antoinette’s, hairdresser!

Johnny Burke: So you’ve had 20 or 25 past lives?

John Koenig: Yeah, 24 or 25. I put 14 in the book, I experienced a few after the book. I paid some past life facilitator; regression hypnotist and I spent an hour as a bug. I don’t know that was worth the money. The thing about that is I’m crawling around as a bug and a bug view. I see these blades of grass. They looked like, of course trees, but there was this one big dome and I realized,’ oh my God, that’s a drop of water, the tensile strength holding it up.’ And I got a chill just mentioning that kind that happens in past life work.

Johnny Burke: What are some of the other experiences in any of your past lives that really kind of stand out that will teach people about past life work?

John Koenig: Here are two that I’ll mention, and I’ll mention some names, David Quigley. I went to a past life facilitation training at Quigley’s place in Santa Rosa, California. And he invited us to experience relationships. Have you been involved with somebody in this life? Maybe you were with them before. So I go into a state of trance and suddenly I found myself- I’m in a blacksmith shop. And this guy with this big black beard is pounding the metal and I’m his wife, I’m Lena, his wife, and he is my wife in this life, Maria.

And I feel like the luckiest girl in the village that I’ve got a husband that doesn’t beat me. I feel like I’ve won the lottery. I’m bringing him his lunch and- big black beard. And in this life, my wife couldn’t be more feminine if she tried. But in that life, she was this-

Johnny Burke: Big burly guy.

John Koenig: So he says to me, “what does your wife, what does Victor say to you?” And I started laughing. I said “nothing. He’s a man of few words.” And in my wife’s life, she doesn’t speak a whole lot. She’s not very chattery. She’ll talk when it’s important, but generally, I wake up in the morning talking, I go to bed talking. What I got out of that life, by the way, Lena has heard in the village from the old women, that the Cossacks were going to come and – this is Russia,draft men -take ’em away. And in my village, when they took the men away, they didn’t come back for 20 years. You became a widow, even though your husband was still alive. So I tell Victor, I said,” we got to get out of here”, but I’m just a female. And he tells me I shouldn’t be so foolish as to listen to the women in the village. I beg him, and of course the Cossacks come, they take old men in the village and Lena spent the rest of her life. as a widow whose husband is still alive. And to her death, she always felt she was the luckiest woman in the village that she had a wonderful man and that she dies, and that death was beautiful. Her daughter was with her. My takeaway from that, I wasn’t listened to in that life because of my gender. And in this life, I came back with a mission to be listened to. I’ve taught in college. I became an ad guy, wrote TV commercials, hypnotist, instructor of hypnotism, et cetera. That’s my mission in this life, to communicate.

Johnny Burke: How did you know the blacksmith was your wife in this life?

John Koenig: I just knew. There aren’t words to describe it, I just knew that that was Maria.

Johnny Burke: So you knew it. So you were in a female body- what, is it like?

John Koenig: Yes,

Johnny Burke: This I cannot imagine, but to be in a female body. Did you feel the same way about the blacksmith as you do about your wife now?

John Koenig: No, there was nothing romantic or sexual about it. I’ll tell you one thing though. another life, I was a woman in Alexandria, and I have three sons in this other experience. They’re builders. One of the ways you go back in your past lives is, do you want to bring forth the skill or talent. I wanted to bring forth talent, leadership. So I find myself as a female. Women have a different style usually of leadership, more mentoring empathetic. I’m my boy’s confidant. They tell me everything, and I advise them. So that experience, I was able to apply a bit more and at that time I had a bunch of employees.

So at that time, it was helpful. but I got to realize that being a mother is radically different from being a father. And I had no idea that was the case. They came out of my body. They were an extension of my flesh. And I don’t know how it ever would’ve felt that experience without having done this. It’s very different. To have a baby. they’re part of you nine months, which by the way, is I think how we reenter; we enter incarnation. We got nine months to get used to the idea, right?

Johnny Burke: Okay. Speaking of incarnations, did you experience what’s called the in-between or life between lives?

John Koenig: Another name, you might contact is Alita Grant and she’s out in Colorado. I went to the training she did back in May of this year or April. She guided on us to the between life place. That’s where I began to really understand why I chose my father. I got very much in touch with O’ Riley because that was my last time to plan this life. I signed up for it to not only reverse or account for the karma. but for my personal, growth.

Johnny Burke: In that space, what does it look like? Did they look like people? Are they bulbs of light?

John Koenig: I experienced more forms with people that look like people. The thing about it is when we’re in between lives. It’s pretty much blissful, my experience. Everything about incarnation is effortful- to pick your hand up, you’re fighting against gravity, right? Incarnation without resistance, you can’t learn. If you want to build up your strength, you do resistance training, you pull against something and that’s what incarnation is about. You wonder why anybody comes back? I belong to a Facebook group about past lives and this guy posted a couple of weeks ago. ” don’t care what anybody says. I ain’t coming back,” but nonetheless, we come back because we have learning to do.

Johnny Burke: I’m on Facebook too, but I have now kind of tuned out some of those things. It might as well be like truth social- a lot of people giving opinions.

John Koenig: I thought it was funny; I just took it as a joke.

Johnny Burke: That’s exactly what it is. I have asked that question to speakers that have been on the show before; do we have to come back? And one woman said, ‘ “no, you don’t, but the way to learn is to come back.” That’s the quickest route to learn. So you can eventually, ascend and then you get to the point where you don’t need to come back. But most of us are at that place where, as you indicate in your book, we’re here for a reason, we’re here to learn.

John Koenig: And I think I’m a slow learner.

Johnny Burke: One woman told me that you’re here to learn a specific lesson. And it’s usually the thing that you struggled the most with.

John Koenig: Right.

Johnny Burke: Would you agree?

John Koenig: A mission, yeah, absolutely. My opinion. No doubt about it.

Johnny Burke: When people hear that, they think, okay. So instead of running away for this challenge, I should probably run to it, right?

John Koenig: Yeah, but then again, it is so freaking painful to be on Earth. Everything is effortful. Every life has tragedy,

Johnny Burke: Every single one. Life between lives, that’s apparently where we make soul agreements. It’s like casting a play almost. Isn’t it?

John Koenig: I was doing a past life thing with a wonderful woman. Kristen Johnson, and she experienced the between life where she was pretty much done. She could have chosen to graduate, but her advisors talked her into coming back again with the idea of being a force. She has a new book out called Heal the People. Kristen Johnson, a really good book, but she came back clear with the idea that she had a mission. I think it’s a grand mission than mine, frankly, but she had a mission to heal the people. Can you imagine the power of that?

Johnny Burke: Yeah, many of us have no clue what our mission is. I talked to a friend of mine who spoke to a medium, which I think kind of freaked him out a little bit. And she said,” you need to figure out what your purpose is; you’re an old soul.” I can’t vouch for the veracity of this reading, I’ve no clue. How many people, do you think actually know what their purpose is?

John Koenig: That’s a good question. Again, I’d be speculating, but I think it’s a fairly small percentage. Most people live on the basis of, work, satisfy your carnal desires, including eating too much sometimes and go for recreation. So, eat, have relationships, and recreation. Sleep. Repeat. Most people live that, and we have goals, but they’re always limited;I want to buy a house. I want to get a summer place, whatever they think- want to get a new car. Most of us are based on that kind of thing rather than a soul purpose. And there’s nothing wrong with that, by the way, that’s what they sign up for.

Johnny Burke: They signed up for a vacation life?

John Koenig: No, no, they signed up for eat, screw, work, enjoy recreation, go to sleep. Most sign up for that. And everybody has challenges, whatever happens, there’s going to be a death in your life within that framework, you may have a physical illness, and you may lose people you love. I love this song by John Lennon. Instant Karma .”Instant karma gonna knock you in the head ” I experienced this one life in Egypt and he was a cattle rancher. He provided cattle to the military. And one day somebody above him in society, take his land, and he becomes a slave. So he wakes up that morning feeling rich, successful, and arrogant. And then, the guys come and his whole life alters. And if you think about it, that is more common than not. You’re going along life in a bubble. And then something horrible happens to all of us, that’s life and the learning there.

In that case with that guy, it was about arrogance, kind of like Ernst a little bit. He didn’t treat his slaves well. He regarded them as objects, I guess. What he got to learn in that life was to treat people, with respect and dignity. So, that was the lesson that life gave me. And you ask how do I use these things? I do meditate on these things. I look and see what lesson was there for me. I’ll reconnect with Riley or, or Ernst or, Lena, so I find that very, very useful. And that is the thing about doing past life work. get to know yourself.

Johnny Burke: You just mentioned,” I reconnect with Ernst or Lena or any of your past life entities. You made it sound almost like they are separate from you. It’s almost like it is a separate entity or is it not?

John Koenig: That’s how I think of them, they’re not me in my current life. I’m fond of them all. And my favorite life was the African shaman. A beautiful, beautiful character. A very honored position in his village and he did everything right. All the rituals, the rattles, the right incense. Everything he did perfectly, and he didn’t necessarily believe it. He had a skeptical, open mind. Of all the lives I’ve experienced, his is the one I most cherish. He dies by trying to get power from a rhinoceros. He has this obsession that a rhino’s horn can be used for male potency must be powerful and if I can get the power of the rhinoceros in me, I can be like a rhinoceros for altruistic reasons. And he dies that way. And his lesson is he hadn’t sought any mentors. He hadn’t told anybody. He had this tree, he thought was his confidant. And he hadn’t had a conversation with the tree. And so that’s the lesson there is to talk to people. And in this life, I ask people’s opinions about things. I try really hard not to do everything myself.

Johnny Burke: So when we die, is our life uploaded to the Akashic Records? And if so, how does that work?

John Koenig: Some people think that when you have a past life experience, you’re just going up to the Akashic Records and you’re accessing one of the lives that’s there that helps you deal with whatever issue you have. So in that case, it’s not your life; you’re accessing a life. I’m inclined to think not. What makes more sense is your soul is evolving with the idea of becoming this new species I call it homodeus, a species that is more aligned with deity, and there’s also soul families, by the way.

Johnny Burke: The soul agreement is made with members of your soul family. You’ve had many past lives- besides your wife in this life, Maria, did you recognize anybody else?

John Koenig: No, I haven’t yet. I think by the way that thoughts about’, do I know anybody from a prior life, can be for many people recreational. But I think if you went back with the intention, let’s say you have a problem with your boss, and you wonder were your boss and you connected. I think that would work from that point of view. I’ve just never done it with anyone except Maria.

Johnny Burke: What if we were just curious about, my friends, family, acquaintances, girlfriends, that type of thing? Did I know any of them in a previous incarnation?

John Koenig: Absolutely, you set it up that way with that intention.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So in closing, I got this from reading the book. You’re convinced that there is nothing to fear in death?

John Koenig: True. But if I knew I was going to die this evening, I guarantee you I’d be a little bit nervous!

Johnny Burke: Your fear at least diminished somewhat?

John Koenig: Very much- it logics out for me, that there is nothing to really fear in death. That it’s part of the whole process. I’m not looking forward to that. I love my current incarnation.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like it’s quite interesting. Any other takeaways that, we did not bring up?

John Koenig: I’ve got a final thought, I’m sure you’ve heard of Landmark Education. I was doing a thing with them. And at the end of six days of training, we played a game where you were like a samurai and in the game, you could die if you were in a battle, and I died early on in the game, and to make it real, they had assistants drag your body out of the room into the morgue. So I’m lying in the morgue. I was like the fifth, sixth person to die and I heard the game going on, and I found myself thinking I want to be in the game. And it occurred to me that that’s how it is.

I have got a question for you; Why are you not doing your own past life explorations? You may not want to talk about that, but I’m curious; somebody that does this with lots of people. Why haven’t you jumped in?

Johnny Burke: I would think that’s probably a question for another day, but maybe in the future, I’ll talk about my own past life exploration, which I haven’t done yet.

John Koenig: Obviously you’re drawn to it.

Johnny Burke: I’d rather just be the spectator and the man with a notebook, just asking questions.

John Koenig: That’s your incarnation. That’s what your mission is, maybe.

Johnny Burke: Hopefully it is.

John Koenig: You’re doing great work, bringing this up to peoples’ attention. So

Johnny Burke: Hopefully people do find some value in it. John, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners learn more about you?

John Koenig: Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. My website, possibilities. nu or my book, My Autobiographies, Introduction to Past Life Exploration for Personal and Spiritual Growth.

#90 Wajid Hassan: The True History of Mankind

October 8, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Ancient Civilizatons

#ageofaqaurius, #Atlantis, #cosmicconsciousness, #cosmicmasters, #drgeorgeking, #kundalini, #lemuria, #maldek, #reincarnation, #theninefreedoms, #yogimasters

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Wajid Hassan. He’s an actor, healer, and author of The Struggle For World Sanity. Today, we will be talking about ancient civilizations, the true history of mankind, as well as what the future holds .Wajid, welcome to the show.

Wajid Hassan: Hey, good to see you again, johnny. Appreciate it.

Johnny Burke: I should say, welcome back to the show. The last episode , was very good, very well received. And, I’ve got a lot of interesting emails, from our listeners asking questions about Dr. King, which we’re going to touch upon today. Now we talk about the true history of mankind, the conventional wisdom and history books describe the earliest civilizations were about five to 7,000 years ago. We’ve also heard stories of Atlantis but that may be just a myth- or is it?

Wajid Hassan: Well, the real true history of mankind has not been revealed except my Yogi master, Dr. George King, went into deep meditation, projected from his body and had the chance to read what’s called the Akashic Records of earth. Similar to if a psychic looks at your aura, they can see your past and your present and maybe your future as well. It’s the same concept that the mother earth is a living being has a aura. And those in advanced states can achieve these advanced states of projection.

Dr. King wasn’t unique; there’s many Yogi adepts in India and Tibet and other places that have done the same as well, but he revealed the true history of mankind in his book, The Nine Freedoms and, it’s actually fascinating, but at the same time, it’s very shocking and it goes back 18 million years. What my Yogi master said was whenever he stood up on a platform, he had a technical oath before his creator, his higher power that he would speak the truth. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, The history of mankind is vague. Like you said, they’re going back 5,000, but they haven’t really seen it in the way that that the Yogi masters see in full dimensional, uncolored, totally open, history.

So he mentioned that we’re actually not from this earth. We were actually a resident on a planet, uh, orbiting between Jupiter and Mars, known as Maldek in The Nine Freedoms, he mentioned that we were actually a very advanced race .

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the Akasha records. Can you give us a brief synopsis of what the records are and how it works?

Wajid Hassan: a Yogi master can look at your aura and see the imprints of all your previous lives. And it’s the same thing with the mother earth she has an aura, and those who are advanced in the occult sciences and metaphysics, I guess you could call it like a super computer that holds, every aspect of the history of the planet . Any extraterrestrial that goes to any planet can read the aura of that planet and know everything about that planet. So these are things that I believe are beyond science fiction. I believe they’re beyond the grasp of the materialistic scientists who have yet to discover other realms, other higher dimensions.

They say what the Yogi talks about today, the scientist reveals 500 years later. So, I would listen to the more advanced Yogi master than I would to any scientist who just sticks to the physical realm. And the physical realm is just a small aspect of creation.

Johnny Burke: I had that kind of discussion with someone just a few days ago. We talked about science and discoveries and so on. And I thought, I think the intuitives are going to be well ahead of the scientists in terms of discovering the metaphysical world. And I think it’s interesting that you mentioned the history goes back millions of years. I had a woman on the show a few days ago she talks about, Remembering past lives in Atlantis and in other ancient civilizations. Of course, I’ll always ask.

So how long ago do you think that was? And she said ” well, this might stretch your imagination, but it could be 20 million years ago.” We’re talking about Atlantis, Lemuria and all those other worlds. Do you think those civilizations could have been actually that old?

Wajid Hassan: Dr. King mentioned Atlantis, was about a hundred thousand years ago. He didn’t talk too much about the civilization Lemuria, but it probably was far more distant than that. The shocking aspect of our history is that Maldek was destroyed, by anatomic. explosion as was Lemuria and Atlantis were destroyed by atomic warfare. So this is the fourth time that mankind has again opened up the Pandora’s box of atomic warfare. And based on just even recent things, it could go into another nuclear Holocaust. So it’s important for us to be aware of these things and not let history repeat itself.

Johnny Burke: Very, very true. As you mentioned before, the scientists are years behind the Yogi Adepts and the other seers. Tell us about your time studying with Dr. King, what he learned from these ancient civilizations.

Wajid Hassan: I believe that he wasn’t part of the terrestrial civilization. I believe he was from a different world in a different dimension. And he came here to teach. But he came with a warning to mankind, to not again, regress. And, like he mentioned in The Nine Freedoms that Maldek was destroyed by atomic explosion, and we are remnants of that race. It was an advanced civilization. He said that technology wise, he said that robots controlled all aspects of civilization. So the people could control the weather. They had an abundance of food and they kind of lived in utopia.

The Bible mentions Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, it’s a bit of a fair story, but it has a very strong, moral parable to the fact that we were in the garden, Eden and regressed out of the garden Eden after the destruction of Maldek . Fortunately for us, the mother earth being a compassionate, advanced goddess allowed, these remnants of atomic mutation to eventually reincarnate upon her body.

After millions of years, the civilization of Lemuria did rise and fall under the great flood. It’s been known scientifically that the earth has tilted on her axis twice. And that happened after the atomic destruction of Lemuria, where Lemuria went under and then the same again with Atlantis.

And so, we stand at a crossroads today. We can go into regression and start another atomic war. But the difference this time is that we will not be allowed, to reincarnate if we do start an atomic, Holocaust. We will probably be taken to another younger planet in this solar system, which was revealed by Dr. King in the fifties and the scientists laughed at him. Then in the sixties and seventies, they said, “oh yeah, there’s a possibility of this planet on the other side of the solar system.” So we stand on a crossroads now where the mother earth is raising her vibrations . Matter is being spiritually elevated. And either we change on a spiritual level, or we will not be allowed to stay on this planet. And only those who can keep the vibrations, their spiritual vibrations on this high level will be allowed to stay and enjoy. This is the message of hope. Enjoy a new Dawn of a new age, which is soon to, to become in the next few centuries on planet Earth

Johnny Burke: We’ve all had lots of discussions about reincarnation. I’ve had speakers come on the show and talk about how some of us will reincarnate onto other worlds, because that’s going to be the best possible outcome for us. But this is the first time I’ve heard someone say mother earth is actually making the decision to not only raise her vibe, but basically expel those that do not raise their vibe. Am I right?

Wajid Hassan: She’s not expelling anybody. She was told by highest forces and on July the eighth, 1964, she received a tremendous initiation, where tremendous spiritual energies were sent into her and she’s holding these energies at bay. So she’s kind of been ordered by the higher cosmic hierarchy to rise in the heavens. She’s been holding back her evolution just to keep this crazy micro call man on her body for the last 18 million years. But there comes an end to the suffering of. any entity, even if it’s humanoid or a planet like mother earth. And so she is actually not shaking anybody off her back.

It’s up to us if we are going to enjoy this new millennium is to conform to the higher vibrations and in mercy , those who can’t, the war mongers and the murderers and the polluters will be taken to this other planet to start the reincarnation cycle and the bloody history that they created.

A lot of these changes like the ice caps melting and the ionosphere coming down is a small part of carbon emissions. A lot of it is actually to do to this great change that’s occurring now on planet earth.

Johnny Burke: In our last talk, we talked about cosmic masters, cosmic beings, and how they’re connected with these ancient civilizations. . How is Maldek related to if at all to races or entities like the Arcturians or the Syrians or several other types of these beings, is there a relation or are they completely different?

Wajid Hassan: Well, I think a lot of people are being deluded by having these contacts with Pleiadeans and Arcturians. I think there’s part of our memory that remembers us as space travelers, remembers usas advanced beings. The beings that contacted Dr. King were actually from this solar system. He mentioned that all the planets in this solar system are inhabited on higher dimensions by these civilizations. They actually physically saw the destruction of Maldek and they saw the destruction of Lemuria. They’ve been monitoring us for millions of years and they have seen the destruction of Atlantis. Now they come with this warning again, that we’ve opened up Pandora’s box and we’re ready to destroy ourselves again. They’ve warned us in these critical times to cooperate with the divine laws, send out healing, send out power and change the world through the release of energy of love instead of this destructive mode.

We’re known as a very savage primitive war -like race, and they’re trying as much as possible to save us from our own destruction, but they can only advise at this time. They can’t openly come and save us- it’s up to us. Because we created our own history. They karmically cannot intervene. The only intervention that they can do is beam spiritual energy through us for us to radiate out. That’s the only solution that’s going to fix. The problem that we’re in right now, is a spiritual release of power to transmit the hate and all the terrible things are occurring.

Right.

Johnny Burke: What about those of us who consciously want to raise our vibration.? when we finally die here- and we all will on earth, does that mean we’re probably going to come back here, or could it be possible that we’re going to reincarnate on other worlds?

Wajid Hassan: I don’t know about other worlds, but I will say another world. I don’t think there’ll be different worlds. I Dr. King mentioned in The Nine Freedoms, and the cosmic masters have also mentioned that we’re only here on earth for one reason. That’s to raise our consciousness to the point where we can raise, the mystical power of Kundalini and go into these deep states of cosmic consciousness and eventually Ascension where we can eventually evolve and go on to higher dimensions and higher planets. That’s our heritage. What’s occurring right now is not our, Heritage’s, just something that we’ve created. We can’t blame God or any divine being for that. It’s our own mess.

And so, the cosmic beings have said that there is a planet in this solar system, it’s on the other side of the sun from where the earth is. So it’s not visible but based on their calculations of the gravity pool exerted by Neptune and Uranus that this planet is there. They say it’s about 10 times the size of this earth. And the cosmic beings have said that that is the planet that those who won’t be able to survive these high vibrations will be reincarnated upon this planet.

Johnny Burke: That planet almost sounds like an Australia of sorts. it’s like you’re rounding up all the ne’er-do-wells and kind of dropping them off and saying “off you go.” Is it something like that or?

Wajid Hassan: I don’t think karma punishes; I think karma teaches. This will be in mercy because they won’t be able to withstand the spiritual vibrations of mother earth. Only those who can will be allowed to stay, I don’t think they will judge any particular race or religion or humanoid. They will just judge based on positive or negative. So if you have that positive vibration and align yourself with the higher vibrations of mother earth, you’ll be allowed to stay. It’s not a punishment. It’s not Australia. It’s just an aspect of divine law, I guess.

Johnny Burke: Well, it sounds like they’re being held back a grade because they need to learn. And you’re right. I think it is only fair. Another question I’ve had, this has been coming up a lot. A lot of people that have been on the show and they remember past lives in Atlantis, like the woman I just described as well as Lemuria. They are telling me that many people that are alive today had past lives in one of them or both places. Why do you suppose that? Is, does that have something to do with Ascension or something that the planet needs?

Wajid Hassan: All of us were on Maldek. All of us were on Lemuria , there’s nobody who wasn’t. All of us were in Atlantis.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that.

Wajid Hassan: Yeah, so there wasn’t any particular special person that was in Atlantis. The whole human race from the Aborigines , the Eskimos, to the African tribes to the Russians- any aspect of the mankind, we were all part of these three civilizations. So, a lot of people are having past life experiences and they recall being in advanced states, so they confuse ’em with being connected to other planets outside of the galaxy or Pleaidians or Arcturians, but really all they’re just remembering is that civilization of Maldek, Lemuria and Atlantis.

We need to focus on what’s happening in our solar system. There’s this vague, silly theory that the cosmic beings are suddenly going to come and rescue us. They’re not going to rescue us. They didn’t rescue us when we blew up Maldek ,or when we destroyed Lemuria and Atlantis because we did it ourselves. They’re not in the position to come and rescue us, but if we look up to them and cooperate with them on a spiritual level, they can in many ways intervene and help us, but we have to make them move first.

Johnny Burke: It’s basically on us. Okay. Because I have heard people that some of these cosmic beings, they’re not going to intercede on our behalf until the situation becomes so dire that the preservation of the planet is in question, but you’re saying that’s not true.

Wajid Hassan: They won’t intervene in mankind’s war. And I agree with them that if they try to harm mother earth, then they will intervene on behalf of mother earth because a cosmic hierarchy has said that only one planet in this solar system was allowed to be destroyed. But the mother earth herself will not be allowed to be destroyed by mankind. If it means destroying the whole of civilization to save mother earth, they may have to do that. She’s more important millions of times more than the whole of mankind combined because of a evolutionary status.

These are some of the stark realities and not the wishful, nice ,condensing theories that people have forward. They’ve said it’s it’s going to be hard work to change the situation on this planet. And the hard work is rolling up our spiritual sleeves and sending out the power and being of service to each other. That’s not a popular motive these days because everybody’s into their own thing.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about disclosure. I know that’s a bit of a thorny topic, but what are your thoughts on that?

Wajid Hassan: in regard to?

Johnny Burke: Why is it happening? Why hasn’t it happened before? Why is it slowly starting to be revealed now? Is there an agenda that we need to know about ? It seems to be very murky at the very least.

Wajid Hassan: Well, there’s so much misinformation that’s going around. So it’s very important for people to use their intuition so they can figure out the truth from the untruth. I would follow somebody who spent many, many years in strict yoga discipline, strict mental discipline like my master did for 10 years practicing yoga. It was then he was contacted. The only way that these beings could contact him was when he raised his vibrations to higher psychic centers like the heart center. So, I would trust a person like that than somebody who just has vague recollections of a past life or vague dreams and has not been trained the way Yogi masters are trained.

The truth of the disclosure now is because there’s an urgency. Things are changing rapidly, but mankind is not listening. We’re on the brink of maybe another third world war with this Ukrainian rubbish that’s going on right now that that could escalate. The disclosures were given, I believe through my Yogi master, in such a way as to warn mankind to say,’ look, you’ve been through this before. You need to stop this and start sending out power, start sending our healing and love and raise the vibrations of this planet. We know what’s going to happen if you don’t.

Johnny Burke: What did Dr. King think about what our future actually holds

Wajid Hassan: Well, it’s a glorious future. He went into deep meditation and he, and he saw the future. He saw this, if we hang around, there will be a world. In the future that will have no borders, there’ll be no economic system, no monetary system, no races, just one race, and it’s going to be total utopia. It’s just gonna be a beautiful, beautiful place to live. So that’s our heritage that’s coming up. So every man, woman, and child are going to be given the opportunity to be part of this race. The decision has to be made now. We’ve been told that conditions will be so good that they’ll be beyond our even wildest imaginations. That’s how beautiful the conditions will be. Doesn’t seem right now, based on the horrible things we’re seeing in the media all the time, but, but there is nothing. There’s no force, no military, no economic force that’s going to stop this great change from occurring.

Johnny Burke: if you had to guess, when this would take place?

Wajid Hassan: Well, it’ll probably be in our lifetime because we’ll be reincarnating on and off this planet. Dr. King didn’t give a specific time, he did mention that in the future there will be, a cosmic being that will land openly, and declare himself and warn mankind .So that that’s actually going to happen. The Bible and the other religions talk about Messiah coming. Dr. King said he will openly land in a spacecraft and demonstrate his spiritual powers and his might and warn mankind. And after that, if people don’t listen to this person, they won’t physically take to this other planet, but after they pass on, they’ll be taken from the other realms to this other planet. I believe it could be maybe a thousand years. I don’t know. It’s hard to say.

Johnny Burke: I, can’t see that happening anytime really soon. So this other planet, does it have a name?

Wajid Hassan: It hasn’t been given a name. I know the scientists call it planet X. There was no name given to it by the cosmic beings.

Johnny Burke: Do you suppose it’s gone be. even more primitive than earth is

Wajid Hassan: Dr. King mentioned that the people may regress again, like they did after Maldek , their intelligence may actually regress further to maybe again like the caveman status. And he said it is a primitive world with volcanoes and, and stuff, so we may have to regress the prehistoric times again and make our way up. So we won’t be just evolving in the same evolutionary state as we are now.

Johnny Burke: That’s actually pretty frightening because if you think about it, the people that are not so good that had that have, I suppose, very low vibrations, they stand at pretty good chance to reincarnate on such a planet. Is that true?

Wajid Hassan: Yeah, but they will all be reincarnated with their intelligence, really, really regressed. And it may take ’em, thousands of years to regain that intelligence. That’s what happened to us after Maldek, Lemuria and Atlantis; our intelligence was reduced tremendously. So again, they may reincarnate as a very primitive, primitive race. We’ve only ourselves to blame if we do go to that other planet, because we didn’t listen to the promptings of our higher selves.

Johnny Burke: But what about those of us that are making a conscious effort to raise our vibration and evolve into a higher state?

Wajid Hassan: of us, who are doing that will probably more than likely stay on this planet

Johnny Burke: I think that gives a lot of us incentive to do so. What else can we learn from Dr. King’s teaching?

Wajid Hassan: The essence of the main message that he came forward with is that we’re in the age of Aquarius. It’s the age of service. It’s the realization that we are one race, that we are our brother’s keeper- whether we like it or not, and we are responsible for the whole race. We’re all metaphysically connected. We’re just different races cultures religions and sexes for different experiences as we reincarnate on and off this planet. But we’re all interconnected. We’re one and we have to help these days we can’t stand back, going to the wilderness and evolve. We have to be part of civilization- we can’t evolve unless we help others evolve. , that was his main message of raising the vibrations, not only for ourselves, but for everybody on this planet.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Any other parting advice that you want to tell our listeners ?

Wajid Hassan: I think we owe it to the younger generation coming, I think it’s our moral and spiritual duty to elevate ourselves so that the generations that come will look at us as being pioneers, as opposed to being, self-centered and only thinking about ourselves.

Johnny Burke: I like that. Good. Wajid, thanks again for coming back to the show, as always very, very good content. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Wajid Hassan: They can just go to my website, which is wajidauthor.com

#88 Richard D. Lewis: The Paranormal Christian

September 24, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Paranormal

#afterdeathcommunication, #angels, #angeltherapy, #beingsoflight, #christianity, #doreenvirtue, #paranormalchristian, #reincarnation, #spiritguides, #thebible

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Richard D. Lewis. He is a journalist, a U.S. Air Force veteran and author of the Paranormal Christian books, which aligns supernatural phenomena with the biblical worldview. Today, we will be talking about encounters with angels, ghosts, and other beings. Richard, welcome to the show.

Richard Lewis: Thanks, John. It’s great to be here. Thanks for having me.

Johnny Burke: How did your journey of exploring the metaphysical world start?

Richard Lewis: Well, you know, for me, it started with a voice, an intuition of a feeling, a knowing inside. When I was a little kid, this voice would tell me things. It actually saved my life because I was abducted as a child. When I was taken, this voice actually told me at the right moment, how to escape my captors. This is something I get into in my first book, the Paranormal Christian book one. So I’ve always had this presence, this knowing, and I didn’t have to go to church to find out about God, because I already had this voice that was speaking with me.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of, intuitive experiences, sometimes it does start with a voice. Did you ever have any, episodes when you’re young, where you were able to talk to spirits or anything unusual?

Richard Lewis: Well, so I’ve always been active with, with prayer and going to church as a young child, I began to formulate an understanding of what it was that I was experiencing and things like that. It was more like a one-way experience where I’m being guided, but nothing like spirits coming up to me. Now, later on, I had much more profound experiences, for example, loved ones that have passed on speaking to me. And that’s common in later years, but not in my childhood

Johnny Burke: Not in childhood. Okay. And speaking of those experiences, the Paranormal Christian books – they do include encounters with angels?

Richard Lewis: Oh, definitely. That was a huge thing that really pulled me into this concept was the triple number phenomenon. I’m sure many of your listeners have experienced this, or number sequencing where you see like one 11 or 11, 11, 4, 4, 4, things like that. This started way back, in my childhood and I knew that something profound was happening along with things like finding pennies, um, and just you get the sense that there’s something bigger than you are operating and you want to know what it is.

I’d be doing my homework or something and I would get a feeling and I would look up at the clock and it would be, 333, and then I would go back to what I was doing and watch some TV or something. Then I’d get that feeling again and look up at this 444. I would talk to my mom about it. She was a Christian mystic, and she was open-minded about these things, but most people just thought it was a coincidence or whatever.

So a little bit later in life, I looked it up and I found out that this was actually a common experience and the more I got into that, the more I studied it. And I did start having these profound experiences. I actually went to Doreen Virtue’s angel therapy practitioner certification program in the early two thousands. And I went to something that we called angel camp, where we actually learned how to do angel readings and, oh yeah, we would actually. See these beings that are working with people. I don’t find that it’s anything that’s not already revealed in the Christian faith.

What I’m trying to do with the Paranormal Christian is to be able to bridge the gap between the strange, the unusual the paranormal and correlate it to what we see revealed in the faith as what is said in the Bible.

Johnny Burke: What prompted you to go to this angel camp?

Richard Lewis: I felt like something was calling to me and I wanted to find out what am I supposed to do? Being saved from the abduction experience right there, let me know that I was here for a reason. And I think a lot of people are waking up to this knowledge that there’s meaning behind life. What I’m trying to do with my work through the Paranormal Christian series is to reach out to people and let them know that there is a purpose and a plan behind it all. So that was just part of the exploration.

So these beings were calling out to me, grabbing my attention through the triple numbers, though, messages and television, billboards, things like that. I wanted to get to know them a little bit better and just go as close as I can. And I did, I had many profound experiences. I saw guardian beings. I saw Hawkman spirits. I’ve seen bird people that you read about in almost all of the native traditions. I’ve seen ghosts and of course, angels, guardian angels. I feel like I’ve almost been to the other side and back; I haven’t had a near-death experience or anything like that, but have had after-death communications and, it’s wild and, I’m honored to just be a part of it.

Johnny Burke: Can you walk us through some of your experiences? let’s start with the angels first. What did they look like? what were the communications?

Richard Lewis: Most of the contact that you’ll have with an angel will be with your own guardian angels. In, the New Age line of thinking they pretty much call them guides. And it’s basically the same thing. Angels are a common experience across all cultures and religions and time and they’re here for us. They don’t really try to get credit and stuff for what they do. They do it quietly. Most people don’t even know that they’re doing what they do and aren’t even aware, but you’ll get like an intuition. You’ll get a knowing, you’ll get a gentle nudge- that’ll be from your angels. When I see an angel, in the least profound way would be like, I’ll see a spark over somebody’s shoulder. That’ll happen quite often when someone is talking to me and they’re really connecting with me. Something a little more profound is happening in this exchange rather than just a surface conversation. That’s the most common way.

You can hear a voice, you can feel something I’ve even felt something brush my face, like a gentle stroke of a wing across my face or my leg. I’ve even felt an index finger poking me in my forehead. And, I’ve had angels keep me from being late for an appointment or late from work -I’m oversleeping, and there’s a shaking and it wakes me up and there’s nobody there, you know, well, there is somebody there it’s just not a physical person. A lot of people see them as beings of light, and that makes perfect sense because they are celestial beings. They’re they’re spiritual beings.

Johnny Burke: I just spoke with someone not more than three or four days ago. Her name was Lucy Brand. (This is an upcoming episode) .She was telling me about some of her experiences and she’s clairvoyant as well as clairaudient and she actually saw Archangel Michael and Archangel Raphael, and apparently, they did have wings. Is that common?

Richard Lewis: Yes, angels have been depicted with wings as long as people have been drawing them and describing them. And you know, there’s different theories on this. That is the aura that you see, even in the paintings of the saints, paintings of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and you see halos, and that’s kind of like the aura.

Johnny Burke: Did you ever see one? And if you did, did they have wings or did they just look like normal human beings?

Richard Lewis: When I see an angel, it’s not like a photograph. It’s more of an impression. And a lot of it depends on, how profoundly clairvoyant I am at that moment in time. To reach that level of clairvoyance, you really need to really purify yourself. You cut off the caffeine, the chocolate, fats, cut down on the meat, all those kinds of things. When I was going to the angel camp, we had a regimen where we were fasting from all that stuff. We had a media fast, no television, no radio.

When you live on that kind of level, it’s kind of like a religious practice where you separate yourself and go to a monastery or something. You will have more profound visions and experiences when you do those kinds of things. You see this in the native traditions, you see this in Christianity, in almost all faiths where you quiet your mind. In the Bible it says, ‘be still and know that I am God ‘ and this is what happened.

You ever seen the movie Daredevil? Where Daredevil’s blind, but he sees with like a sonogram hearing and it’s like outlines, like silver outlines. So that’s what I see in the most profound moments. Then yes, I would see wings, like the Hawkman guardian I saw when I gave a reading on one of the people. I immediately saw this being that looks kind of like Hawkman from the comic books, but not in not in a silly cartoony way, but regal. But yeah, you make out wings and, and you see that.

Johnny Burke: Beings like the one you just mentioned, like Hawkman. They’ve been described to me by several people as spirit guides. I’ve been told this dozens of times- we all have them. They’re a little bit different than angels although sometimes they can be the same thing -as far as I’m told. But some of these spirit guides can look almost like something that’s come out of a comic book, but a lot of their function is to protect us. In your experiences did you get a sense of that, or not really?

Richard Lewis: I think the Bible’s really clear that guardian angels are a real thing. This is in Psalm 91 and 11. From my experience, that is what they are, and they will appear in various and diverse ways. We see all kinds of diversity in the physical world. Why wouldn’t the spiritual world be just as diverse? When I see it being like that, to me, that’s an angel and it’s a guardian angel. It’s a guardian spirit. In fact, when it was in between me and this lady that I was reading for in such a way that it imposed itself, like it was protecting her. Not protecting her from me, but it was letting me know basically,’ Hey, I’m here. You got to get through me to get to her.’ Was the sense I had from the presence of this being.

I experienced similar entities years ago when I would be in between sleep and being awake, like after physical therapy. Laying on the table and getting my knee iced and then I would see this Birdman appearing over my face. It was really unsettling. Spirits will do that and then sometimes that tends to be more of a spooky experience. So then you got to wonder what you’re seeing and, and this is why we’re told in first John, for one and six to test the spirits, because you really don’t always know what it is that you’re dealing with. I believe that these beings can modify how they appear to us too. So I don’t think they necessarily hold one form.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that several times and another thing that keeps coming up when we talk about angels and guides is that they’re here to help us, but they are not here to interfere with our soul contract that you make in between incarnations and come down here. No matter how good or how bad it is, the spirit guides or angels, whatever you want to call them, they’re here to help us, but they’re also not to interfere with our path.

Johnny Burke: What are your thoughts on your experience?

Richard Lewis: Well, they definitely won’t interfere with your free will choices. They want the best for you, but they’re not going to stop you necessarily from doing something bad or, whatever else- that’s on you. They’ll try to get you to do the right thing. I would say that there are extreme cases where an angel would intervene if you were about to experience a premature death and it really wasn’t your time in the sole contract, an angel could intervene. Full possession is very rare, but it can happen and it can happen with an angel, though temporary. You know, take the wheel, like, say you passed out while you were driving, and you were about to go off an embankment and angel could actually grab the wheel through your body just long enough to get you back on track.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard episodes of that as well, which I think is really cool. Angels are one of my favorite topics. Because a lot of people that come on to the show talk about angels. They talk about spirit guides, and soul contracts, and all that other good stuff.

Richard Lewis: It’s very compelling. It’s in the Bible, but it’s also in all the other religions and cultures around the world. So the weight of evidence is quite clear.

Johnny Burke: It is. There’s one thing I’ve been told over and over is that every single one of us has spirit guides. There is usually more than one, and they can evolve and they can come in and out of your life based on your development. Even though I’ve never experienced it, it seems to me, pretty easy to understand. Here’s a quote from your book,” a mystical exploration of paranormal phenomena through the lens of the Bible.” We know that the paranormal and the Bible are not things that are known to coexist. What prompted you to look at this phenomenon through the lens of the Bible?

Richard Lewis: Well, for me they do coexist. If you look at the Bible, it’s a paranormal revelation from cover to cover. That’s the thing that I’m trying to get across to people- paranormal simply means supernatural. So if you accept the witness of the Bible, you have to accept the supernatural, i.e., the paranormal. You’re talking about angels and, , in Psalm 91, it talks about guardian angels, in Matthew 18 and 10, it talks about guardian angels. All around the globe people have an understanding of angels.

There are strange things afoot, ghosts, UFOs, and after-death communications. People are experiencing things. And so we have to be able to give them answers. And I found that people weren’t always getting those answers from the church. It’s not that these answers conflict with the revelation that’s given to us through the scriptures and through our faith. It’s just people aren’t really peering deeply enough to see that it’s there. Let’s bring the paranormal back into the light where it belongs.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Now you mentioned after-death communications. Can you give us an example of an event that you felt or saw or otherwise experienced?

Richard Lewis: Well, this definitely gives a lot of comfort to people who’ve lost loved ones. There does seem to be a measure of provision where I would say that divine God allows this to happen. What I’ve found is that. when a loved one passes over, they have some time before they cross over to basically say goodbye and, that’s a very common experience. Anyone you talk to will tell you about dreams that they’ve had, with a parent that’s passed on, or God forbid a child. They’ll experience it usually in a dream, they don’t usually say very much, spirits, aren’t very talkative. They might say a word or two, but usually, they just bless you with their presence. And you know, you felt what your mother’s spirit feels like, and you know that’s who that is. Close relatives, like my father and my mother, I’ve definitely experienced them. I had this really profound, dream with my mom just a few years ago. I talk about this in the paranormal Christian Book Two where she came to me in my dreams. We had a few words and, it was great to be reunited with my mom again -I hugged my mom.

The next morning on the way to work, I was thinking about this, got in right behind a person that had” mom” right there on their license plate. I was like,” wow, this is amazing”. So I went home, and I was telling my wife this story and this and happened to be my mom’s birthday, the next day after the dream. And right as I was telling her this story, she said,” happy birthday, mommy.” And right on television, there was an image that came up on the show that we were watching that looked like it spelled out the word exactly: M.O.M. So I actually froze the live television and took a snap of that. And that’s in my book. I also took a picture of the license plate of the person that I was in behind that same day. But my editors were telling me “Rich, you don’t want to put that in the book.” And I was like, “yeah, you’re right.”

This is how spirit communicates to us. It’s constantly happening. Even though you may not have personally experienced angels, or at least you don’t think you have, they’re always there talking to you.

Sometimes you’ll get an idea, an inspiration. Music, for example; the word music comes from the muses. Every creative person or a person that invents things will always get these messages, these ideas, these concepts. You might think it’s coming from you, but quite often, it’s coming from outside of you.

Johnny Burke: Now, when you had the dream with your mom, were you aware that she had passed or was it a type of moment where …. So you were? Right. Okay.

Richard Lewis: Absolutely. I knew that I was in a dream and that, that was my mom.

Johnny Burke: Would you consider that a lucid dream though? Because you were actually aware you were dreaming?

Richard Lewis: It was something like elusive dream although I wasn’t consciously doing anything to control it. Most people think of lucid dreaming as like,’ oh, look, I’m dreaming. I think I’m going to fly for a little while that’ll be fun. ‘it wasn’t like that. I was in the parameters of this dream. I knew what was going on. I knew that it was my mom, so in that sense it was lucid. Okay.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard other people that have said the same thing; that they were lucky enough to see a relative who was passed and actually be aware that they’re dreaming at the same time.

When we talk about the church and faith communities, there’s not a whole lot of discussion about after death communication or reincarnation for that matter. Why do you suppose that is?

Richard Lewis: Well , after-death communication is one of those topics where they don’t get into it very much because there’s not a lot of information on it and out of a preponderance of caution, the church will often remain silent on something. I mentioned earlier about discerning spirits, first John, one through six; ‘how can you test the spirits if you don’t interact with them?’ So to me that implies there would be some interaction. The key I think, is that you don’t know who you’re interacting with all the time, but the church doesn’t expressly say that there isn’t a provision where you couldn’t have an experience with your departed loved one. In my own life, and in so many people I’ve interviewed, this is such a common thing that it just happens, and everybody talks about it. You hear people talking about, “yeah, I saw my dad at the foot of my bed” or “my mom came to me in a dream”.

I’ve had it happen, not just in dreams, I’ve had it during waking moments. It’s not something that happens every day but, I’ve had my mom appear to me at other times. My father appeared to me at his wake, and we interacted, and I’ve had that happen with other departed, loved ones as well.

Johnny Burke: Having that ability; is that a gift or is it sometimes more of a burden?

Richard Lewis: I think it’s both. But first of all, I think we’re all gifted with psychic abilities and, it’s kind of the more common vernacular to refer to these things as psychic experiences, clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience. In the Bible, it talks about things like word of wisdom, word of knowledge, and you see these things happening. For example, there’s the famous story of the Witch of Endor where the medium there conjures the prophet, Samuel. Some people say,” well, that’s a forbidden practice, so you can’t count that”. How about the transfiguration? Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus and talk to him.

And there’s a story of the rich man and Lazarus. So these are all examples in the Bible where people who are passed on are still conscious, still interacting. And the Bible says, I’m the God of the living, not the dead. So that tells you right there. I’m the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I’m the God of the living, not the dead. That right there opens the door for that. Now reincarnation? That’s definitely really digging into it. Even though I’m a Christian, I’m not afraid to dig into this because many Christians believe in reincarnation and I’ve come to that belief, but I don’t think it contradicts the Bible.

Johnny Burke: Do you not know me as Elijah? Was it John the Baptist that said that?

Richard Lewis: That was Jesus. And, in Matthew 11, verse 14, he says, and if you’re willing to receive it, he is speaking of John the Baptist is Elijah.

Johnny Burke: So it was John the Baptist then, right?

Richard Lewis: It was John the Baptist that he was talking about because they were trying to figure out- actually what started the conversation was the disciples were trying to figure out who Jesus was. And people were saying that he was Elijah, that was returned as Elijah, or one other prophet. So right there that implies a belief in reincarnation or at least something that looks a lot like reincarnation.

Johnny Burke: Because Elijah had died 400 years ago…

Richard Lewis: Exactly. and right there, Jesus said he is Elijah. That’s a pretty good endorsement. It doesn’t say he was like Elijah; it says he is Elijah,

Johnny Burke: Right. Exactly.

Richard Lewis: But he was also John. That’s the thing about reincarnation that you have to understand; that spirit force, because we are a spirit, soul, and body. Even though it’s in the Bible, people don’t understand that. So that’s something that I teach in my books; we’re spirit, soul, and body. Your spirit is that which animates the body and creates the soul through the union of body and spirit. So the spirit might be, in this incarnation, I’m Richard. But then I might be somebody different in another incarnation, but I’m still the same spirit. So that’s, that explains how someone could be both Elijah and John.

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told we’ve had hundreds of past lives, if not thousands.

Richard Lewis: Well, reincarnation, it’s considered a heresy in the church, but it’s an old teaching and a lot of people think the church -Father Origen believed in reincarnation. He definitely believed in the transmigration of souls and in a world before ours. I believe in those things too, and I don’t think it contradicts the Bible. This spirit’s soul body will die, but who’s to say that spirit doesn’t animate another body at some other point until the resurrection body? which the Bible talks about.

Johnny Burke: For those people that are listening, who have not listened to this podcast before, if you really want to learn about reincarnation, go to www.reincarnationresearch.com, which is a site that was administered by Walter Semkiw, who unfortunately passed last month. But he talks about the work of Ian Stevenson, who was the psychiatry chair at the University of Virginia. Knowing what you know now, and seeing evidence of different types of psychic phenomena, when you hear someone say “I believe Christianity needs a reboot. “Are you inclined to say that might be right? Or is it something you want to avoid?

Richard Lewis: Oh, no, not at all. I don’t think Christianity needs a reboot at all. I think the problem with Christianity is all of the baggage and all of the dogma that’s gotten attached to it. But I think the faith revealed in the Bible through what we profess in the creeds is all about the paranormal. It says that God is the maker of all things visible and invisible. Right then and there you’re talking about the paranormal. The problems with the church are things that people have done because we all have free will choices and through those free will choices, we can bring a lot of suffering to ourselves and to others.

Johnny Burke: Yes. Very much so. You mentioned something about UFOs, which I believe as one of your experiences. Tell us about that. How did that happen and what was it like?

Richard Lewis: the UFO problem is multifaceted. There isn’t a clear single explanation for what UFOs are.I didn’t actually see a UFO until much later in my life. I’m also an Air Force veteran. So I’ve seen all the high-tech, advanced, aircraft and even spacecraft that we field. And there’s a lot of things that are, are unknown, Ben Rich of Skunkworks said that there were things that were 50 years ahead of anything we’ve seen. The Paranormal Christian book Two. I devote about 20% of the book to the subject of UFOs. And I go through the history of UFOs and all the different theories and including the interdimensional theory, which I think has a lot of merits certainly for the close encounters.

I’ve seen a couple of UFOs. I saw one when I was in Colorado Springs in the military years ago. As I was traveling on the road, I saw a reddish orange-ish, globe, a ball of light, really. It was kind of bouncing along. It looked a little bit like the light on a radio tower, only it wasn’t blinking, and it was also free moving through the air. I was actually making my way to the base at the time and several people were pulled off the side of the road, also looking at this thing. I saw it go for quite a bit, and then it disappeared. I came home that night and I went to the news and I was trying to find, all my local news channels to see if there were any reports, and I didn’t get anything. I actually called Norad. I was just an airman at the time, and some public affairs NCO got on the phone with me and basically gave me the talking point ‘the air force doesn’t acknowledge this and that’ and everything, so that was one.

I also had a sighting in Borrego Springs in 2016. I went there for a sky-watching visit with my son. You can actually see the Milky Way galaxy, you can see, the Andromeda galaxy, things like that. And we’re just laying on our backs there, looking up at the stars, and what I saw was like this oval shape form in the sky. It was like an eye opening. It was like white, like yellowish white, and it opened and it closed. I felt that I was experiencing something profound. Perhaps a portal opening or something, was this spiritual? I’m not really sure,

Johnny Burke: wow.

Richard Lewis: It was definitely nothing conventional because I’ve been on-site as a journalist and working for the Air Force, covering like the Delta four heavy launches, the space shuttle launches. I’ve seen all these exotic aircraft, the B2, the F 1-17, I’ve seen them up close. I’ve seen them in flight, and this is nothing like any kind of conventional equipment that we have.

Johnny Burke: Your book series, the Paranormal Christian has plenty of experiences, yours and the experiences of others as well, which covers quite a bit of ground., Sounds good. I think you’re going to get a lot of curious people who, once they see those two words, co-mingled; Paranormal and Christian, they’re going to think, ‘what is this? I have to check this out. ‘

Richard thanks for coming onto the show. How can our listeners learn more about you online?

Richard Lewis: My website is Richard D Lewisauthor.com. And you can find my books on Amazon, BarnesandNoble.com, and all the common places where you find books.

#87 Barbara Bartolome: What Near-Death Experiences Can Tell Us

September 17, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Near Death Experiences

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus. I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Barbara Bartolome. She is a double near- death experience survivor and founder and director of the International Association For Near Death Studies group in Santa Barbara, California. She’s been on the NBC Today show, in multiple documentaries, podcasts and radio shows. Today we’ll be talking about how her near death experiences, also referred to NDEs, contributed to her life and what we can learn from those events. Barbara, welcome to the program.

Barbara Bartolome: Thank you, Johnny. I’m happy to be here.

Johnny Burke: The first NDE you had was in 1987 during a medical test. prior to surgery. What happened?

Barbara Bartolome: Having a test prior to surgery. It’s called a myelogram and it is where they inject iodine dye into your spinal cord. And in my case, they did it at the back of my neck. I wasn’t under any anesthesia. I was laying on an x-ray table. They were planning to tip the table and watch as the dye went down my spinal cord to see if the area that I had blown a disc in had chipped the spinal cord. And if spinal fluid was leaking out, because that was going to be a bigger surgery the next day, if they had to address that. So they had me on the table, they told me don’t move whatsoever. Don’t talk or anything because you can have headaches for months afterwards with this situation.

So I was laying there being a good kid and I was 31 years old, and I had a five-month-old baby daughter and an eight-year-old son. And they unfortunately pressed the wrong button on the table to tip it. So they started, tipping it with my head down, lowering my head and raising my feet and they didn’t notice it. The two x-ray techs were talking to each other. The two doctors were talking to each other. It was a neurosurgeon and an orthopedic surgeon that was doing the surgery the next day. And the nurse was distracted as well.

I started feeling like something was really drastically wrong, but I didn’t want to interrupt anybody or cause a problem. And so I stayed quiet too long and by the time that I wanted to say something and interrupt, I couldn’t speak, and I couldn’t reach my hand out to get their attention or do anything. And so I just laid there in a panic. They heard me hyperventilating and they stopped talking the two x-ray texts and the one x-ray tech that had his finger on the button, leaned over my face and saw that my eyes were rolling to the back of my head by then I just couldn’t control my eyes. They just kept on going backwards. And he kind of panicked and leaned backwards and looked where his thumb was on the table and realized with this very shocked look on his face, that he’d made a big mistake. And that was when I checked out, I literally shut my eyes and my body. And the next second I was up on the ceiling.

Johnny Burke: The sequence of when your surgery, the procedure started to when you flatlined, about how long did that take?

Barbara Bartolome: The medical test was happening and they were only a couple minutes into tipping me before I died and was up on the ceiling. Why I know that I flatlined was because the medical professionals that were in the room, the two doctors, they called for the nurse to call for a heart monitor, a defib unit and they immediately started chest compressions and blowing into my mouth. They were doing CPR down below me. I was up on the ceiling, and I was beautifully calm up there. I didn’t feel panicked or worried or upset. I looked down at my body and I said’, huh, if I’m up here and my body’s down there, and that guy is calling code blue and rooms going into a panic, et cetera. I think I just died.

Johnny Burke: So you’re out of your body. You were on the ceiling. There’s been many accounts like this. Because of your involvement with IANDS, you’ve probably heard many accounts, just like yours, which to the us non-experienced sounds like a science fiction movie. Was it true that when you were up there, you didn’t feel really attached to your body? What was that like?

Barbara Bartolome: Yeah, it didn’t feel attached to the body at all. Everything that was me was up on the ceiling, my whole consciousness, everything that I loved and felt, and I felt very calm, very comforted. I felt wrapped in a warm blanket of love. It ended up being about eight to 10 minutes that I was dead- cardiac arrest because they did bring in a heart monitor and I watched my own flatline.

Johnny Burke: While they were doing this, when you came back, what was the first few things that you said to the doctors once you were revived?

Barbara Bartolome: I kind of have to back it up because there’s a whole story up above that happened, that caused me to be resuscitated. So while I was up there, immediately after I said, ‘ uh-huh, I think I’m dead.’ I felt a presence and the presence to me felt like what I would think God was, it felt eternal. It felt totally loving. It felt accepting. I began to say to it how much I wanted to go back into my life. I was giving my children as the reason. I wasn’t begging to go back. I was just saying I needed to go back, to protect my children. I was in an abusive marriage at the time, and I was afraid of what would happen to them if they were left without my interventions in the situations.

As I was talking to that being, I was saying that about four different ways, very calmly. They were doing all of this resuscitation effort down below. They got the heart monitor in, they got the oxygen cart in, they never got the defib unit in. The neurosurgeon ended up saying to the orthopedic surgeon too much time is passed. She’s going to be braindead. We need to do something. At that point, the orthopedic surgeon stepped forward and said, “stand clear” and everybody moved away from the front of the table and he took his arm from behind his back, swung it in a very high arc over his head. His fist came crashing down on my chest – that’s called the pre- cardial thump. And it’s done as the last-ditch effort to restart a heart with a shock, just like a defib would give a shock to the heart. It hardly ever works according to the information online. In that case, it didn’t work the first time.

The being that was next to me finally said something to me. I had been saying how much I wanted to go back into my life. the being’s voice was so incredibly warm and beautiful. Amazing. I can’t possibly imitate it, but what it said was, “but if you go back, you’ll still be in your marriage, what will you do? ” Then I saw all these little film clips that just went flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash in front of me that were all of the incidents that I’d had with that current husband. It was like to remind me of what I was facing if I went back. Then I was given all this time to kind of consider now what I did is immediately consider all of the things that I had done to try to change him, to try to help him through his anger issues. They were originating from his childhood and all the things that I presented to help him. I then realized I’d done everything I could. There wasn’t anything more to do.

I then said to the being,” if you let me go back, I promise you I’ll get strong enough to leave him. “And the second I said, the word” him”, I literally shut my eyes up on the ceiling and opened them again. And I was back in my body with the oxygen mask on my face, which they had placed on there after I died.

So I spoke into the oxygen mask and said, ” what just happened?” The nurse leaned over me and said, “stop, don’t talk. We need to stabilize you.” So for 20 minutes I just laid on the table, it was really a shock to be back in my body knowing consciously that I had just been out of my body. I’d never heard of the near-death experience in my entire life. And I’d never heard of anything about being out of the body. Never read anything about it. I was completely in shock. When they finally took the oxygen mask off, I said to the astonished team, “what just happened? I was up on the ceiling, and I could see and hear everything”. And the neurosurgeon, he. said,” Oh brother”. So that made me at 31 years old with never having heard of anything like this before, completely recount what had happened in the room. I pointed at people, told them what they did and said, then the neurosurgeon stormed out of the room. Really angry and said,” I’m not going to listen to this.”

I think it freaked him out. the orthopedic surgeon stayed, and he listened and talked and asked me how I felt and what was it like? And he was more interested in it. I saw him about 20 years later and he told me, “Barbara, you had a near-death experience. That’s absolutely true. And I can’t talk about it because my colleagues and my patients won’t like that if I talk about people’s experiences”. But he said you had it.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about what happened up there when you were up on the ceiling, and you talked to this being. I believe the first time we spoke, this being was sitting next to you.

Barbara Bartolome: It was next to me, but it wasn’t sitting. I didn’t ever look to see if there was a physical, like a vision of light, or a face or anything. I felt it really strongly and it was right to my left. I felt exactly like there was someone there. For me it felt like God, I don’t know if it was an angel, I don’t know if it was a spiritual being. I have no idea who it was. I didn’t say” who are you?” I just began talking to it.

Johnny Burke: So you didn’t see it, but you felt it. And was the voice telepathic? could you actually hear it?

Barbara Bartolome: No. Yeah because I wasn’t in my body. And so my ears weren’t working because I wasn’t in my body, but it was telepathic, , he didn’t really say anything or I didn’t hear anything from him or, feel any response until he said, ” but if go back, you’ll still be in your marriage” , I didn’t get a response until after the strike on the heart.

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told many times that people that have these experiences will recount them in vivid detail and remember them many years afterwards. I always ask because I know other people are going to ask me,’ how do you know it wasn’t a dream? ‘Why don’t you tell our listeners why you think it was definitely not a dream.

Barbara Bartolome: Or hallucination. Number one, I wasn’t under any anesthesia. Number two, I completely accurately recounted what the medical professionals in the room did while I was flatlining, my heart stopped. So it wasn’t a hallucination. I accurately described their actions and their words and shocked all of them by coming out immediately and saying it all. Most people who are near death experiencers have an experience and they don’t talk about it right away. I was the one who immediately, validated it with them and shocked them all. In fact, the neurosurgeon, he won’t even talk to me about it to this day. He’s completely closed about the whole subject. It scares the heck out of the guy and it’s something that I know- I was right up there on the ceiling and I was watching the whole thing.

Johnny Burke: I’ve been told several times that when you’re in that position that you were and you’re flat lining,you have no brain function, right? Is that true?

Barbara Bartolome: I’m not sure that the brain is really necessary to keep your consciousness alive because I had every piece of my consciousness up on the ceiling. I didn’t feel any pain in my body when the guy struck me or anything that they were doing. I didn’t feel the oxygen mask on my face down below. No messages from my body. But everything of who I was up on that ceiling, watching them do that to my body. So I know that consciousness isn’t tied to an alive or active brain, as far as I’m concerned. We’re inhabiting these bodies, but we are spiritual beings having a human experience as Pierre Teilhard says- not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are much more than our body.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a bit too and I would be inclined to believe that, but if we take the scientific position just for a moment, if someone’s flatlining, they’re dead, which means that you’re not supposed to be able to imagine anything, because you’re dead.

Barbara Bartolome: And that’s where medical Intelligence over the years , that’s what they say. And unfortunately, that’s not the truth. Too many near-death experiences have these amazing experiences outside of their bodies and they are not tied to the dead body that’s down below.

Johnny Burke: I think it makes a pretty strong case for the survival of consciousness. It’s not tied to a physical body. You’ve been involved in several organizations, which we’ll get to, but, IANDS, I believe has documented, is it 900,000 or is it more? documented cases of near death experiences? Probably closer to a million,and I don’t think they’re all making that up.

Barbara Bartolome: Yeah. The thing is that most of us don’t want to talk about it. I didn’t talk about mine for like 12 years. I literally spoke to the doctors about it and asked, “what happened, what happened?” No one would answer me. Then when they took me up to my room and did my surgery the next day when I was in recovery, two doctors approached me to tell me what happened during the surgery. I said”, what happened last night? what was that? “, The neurosurgeon held his hand out in front of me, like “stop.” And he said,” I am not here to talk about that. I’m here to talk about your surgery.”

No one in the hospital would talk to me about it. And when I told my husband at the time, he completely dismissed it and said, “oh, that couldn’t have happened- you probably hallucinated it” well, I’ve never done drugs. I never did anything. I have the cleanest record and I have actually security clearance with the Department of Defense. I don’t have any reason to have been hallucinating or dreaming or anything else. It was an actual experience and I cherish it big time because it literally helped guide me away from the situation that I was in in my life. And I did end up leaving my husband and I did end up finding a very much happier life down the road with my husband than I’ve been married to for 30 years now. I felt planted in my life at that time to get me out of a very dangerous situation with my marriage.

Johnny Burke: And speaking of NDEs, you had one in your childhood, but at the time you didn’t know what it was. Can you tell us a little bit about how that happened?

Barbara Bartolome: I actually was only about 18 months old. I had never told my family about my near-death experience. I kept it very quiet inside my heart. It was as fresh every day. If I ever took it out and looked at it myself. I remembered every second of it, but it wasn’t like I was going to talk to people about it.In Santa Barbara, I owned a business and I’d been named businesswoman of the year., I didn’t want people to think there was weird things going on in Barbara’s head or something. So I kept it really quiet.

I had been to the IANDS conference in 2009 and I’d heard PMH Atwater speak and she’s a researcher for near-death experiences, very broadly known. She had been talking about the aftereffects and I had not ever heard that there were after-effects. When I heard these, I was very confused after her talk. And I thought why are they saying those are aftereffects? I’ve had those all the way back to my childhood. And I had my NDE at age 31. So after her talk, I approached her and said,” please explain to me how that could happen.” She held my hands and she said,” my dear, I think that you ought to check in with your family to see if anyone there knows of anything that happened to you when you were young because I believe that you probably had an earlier life NDE. ” so I thought at the time, oh brother, now somebody thinks I’ve had two of these?

I decided when I saw my brother the next time that I would ask him, but I didn’t want to tell him about my NDE ahead of time to give him that information. So I said,” Hey, I’m doing this kind of a booklet thing of all of my medical history. So that in case I’m ever in the hospital or something, they can have this notebook of all the information about my medical background. And my brother said,” I don’t know. Let me think about it.” Then after we had dinner, he stopped me outside the restaurant and he said,” Barbie, there’s something that I need to tell you and I’ve always felt like I should tell you. But the parents made us promise back when it happened that we would never discuss it with you, and we wouldn’t tell you. When you were 18 months, you had a really high fever, you were sick with something, I don’t know what it was, and the parents were really concerned and worried.”

What ended up happening was that I went into convulsions, and I stopped breathing. So my father immediately called the fire department, and my mom was holding me and crying, and my little sister was in my mom’s tummy still, so my little sister was about to be born and my mom was going to lose her little one. The fire department ended up telling my dad to put me into the bathtub in tepid bathwater, then slowly at ice cubes to slowly lower my body temperature while they sent the ambulance over to our house. My brothers were sent by my mom to go to the neighbor’s house, rush, rush to get more ice.

And when my brother came back, he said” you were soft, purple, lifeless, not breathing and he said he was so scared.” As he was standing there watching, he said,” you self-resuscitated. All of a sudden, you arched your back and came back alive and took this deep breath in, and that turned you from purple to red. Then you just burst out crying and you were crying really hard.” And the ambulance people pulled up in front of the house, came into our home and wrapped me up in a blanket and took me off the hospital. ” he said I was there for like four days. He said the parents didn’t want to ever talk about it. They said, never speak to me about it.

I realized that with that information and the aftereffects that I then knew about that my childhood fell right into place for me, because there were a lot of things that had happened during my childhood, that my parents thought was weird, and people that were friends of mine thought were weird. There were intuition moments, there were all sorts of things, and, I never could figure out why they’d happened, and I didn’t know why I was different, but that totally answered it okay now I understand I’ve got intuition. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: So that happened when you were 18 months?

Barbara Bartolome: 18 months old. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: I’ve noticed that people that have had these experiences talk about an increased level of intuition. And I even had Robert Bare- speaking of IANDS, who was on the show a while back. He had a near-death experience where he was out for like 45 minutes. He remembered seeing a very huge uptick in these abilities, including mediumistic type abilities, which he told me” I didn’t want it.” Could it be that your childhood.experience kind of elevated it or those abilities would’ve been there anyway?

Barbara Bartolome: No, I definitely think it elevated it and, and it was something I didn’t understand, my parents didn’t understand, my siblings. No one understood it. I would have these incidents where I didn’t realize for quite a long time until I was older, that I should hide them. I shouldn’t talk about them. I shouldn’t let people know. When the phone rang, I blurted out who was calling and would be accurate every time, and my mom would look at me with this really strange look on her face.

When I was like five years old, I was studying on a street corner and my intuition told me that there was going to be a car accident. So I broke the grip on my mom’s hand, and I put my hands over my face to cover my face. My mom didn’t like that because we were supposed to hold her hands. My little three-year-old sister, and myself. She looked down at me and said, “what are you doing? I said, through my hands, “they’re going to crash” and right after I said, a car ran the red light and T-boned the car in the intersection. And my mom kneeled down and shook me a little bit and she said,” I don’t ever want you to tell anyone that you can do that. ” So it was scary to her that I had those gifts and I learned to hide them, but there were times when I didn’t hide them and bad things kind of happened.

I remember in high school I was like 17, and my friends drank beer. I would go with them to a party but I didn’t drink I’d always be the driver home. What ended up happening was that the police stormed the party. And I saw before they got there that they were coming up the roadway to the place we were at. I didn’t know the people that lived there- it was their son that was having the party and the people were off for the weekend. So no one knew beforehand that this was going to happen and the police came and I actually got enough warning that I took my friends and dragged them off into the underbrush nearby the driveway and saved them from getting arrested for underage drinking . That caused one of them to question me. She ended up saying at school on the following Monday that I was a witch because I said, “well, I saw that they were coming.” So she assumed I was a witch. So I had to deal with that in high school; people saying things to me and questioned me and stuff and it was hard.

Johnny Burke: That must have been difficult, and I can see why your mother would tell you don’t ever tell anybody that you have that ability. So would you call that what you just described, is that a psychic ability or is that premonition?

Barbara Bartolome: I think it’s called premonition or precognition. I’m not exactly up on all of that, but it’s happened so darn many times to me that it’s just normal. When I get those hits, I listen. I have this incredible one that happened in 2016 and my husband that I’m married to for the last 30 years, he really understands this, and he gets it and he trusts it. We were driving back from San Francisco where I had given four talks up at the IANDS groups in San Francisco and we were coming back to Santa Barbara. And just north of the city there’s this coastline that the highway comes along, and it was really super windy. This one gust of wind, I saw my husband struggling with the steering wheel. So I said, “Hey, why don’t we slow down from 65 down to like 50? , I think we should slow down. “And he said, “yeah, I think so, too. “And then a couple minutes later, I heard in my ear- I actually heard a voice that said ” danger, big impact ahead.”

So I sat up in my seat and I checked my seatbelt and then I told my husband,” I just heard from the other side there’s a big impact ahead- danger. Could be a tree that’s blown down, or could be a car that’s spun out of control- I don’t know what it is, but we need to slow down more. We need to do like 30 miles an hour.” And my husband looked at me and said,” well, Barbara, we’re on the freeway. We can’t do that.” And I turned around and looked through our van and there were no lights behind us, no cars coming. And so I said,” well, nobody’s around us, so nobody’s going to care if we’re doing 30. So we went for about 10 minutes doing 30 miles an hour. And we came around a corner, and saw a police car way up in the dark way ahead of us. And I immediately knew that was where the danger was. the police car had stopped squarely in the slow lane. He’d gotten out of his car and he climbed up on the side of the semi-truck that had tipped over because the wind had blown it out of control and the dirty bottom of the truck was facing us. So we couldn’t actually see the truck. We could only see the car with the lights on -the police car.

Coming up in the slow lane, behind the police car, and having to change lanes. And right when that happened, whoever it was from the other side that was helping grabbed both of my upper arms. I kid you not, I’m not lying about this. Literally I felt grips on both of my upper arms, and I felt a face come nose to nose with me and whoever it was screamed, “10 miles an hour! I completely echoed that to my husband because I was freaked out that I was being squeezed. My husband slowed down. He just changed lanes. So now he was in the fast lane going past the police car and about 20 feet past the police car, our lights finally lit up the semi-truck and the cab was right in front of us. We would’ve hit that, and it would’ve probably blown up the gas tanks because that’s where the gas tanks are. I immediately started saying thank you to the other side right after we got past it.

My husband about 10 minutes later was completely quiet. Then he said, “Barbara, how do you do this?” And I said, “you know what, Victor, it’s not me. I do listen to the other side. And I think if everybody did, they’d get a big benefit in life. ” What you think is your intuition might not be intuition. It might be assistance from the other side. So I always listen- I listen to them and I’m not scared of them at all. I’m always grateful.

Johnny Burke: Pretty incredible story. You’ve also given grand rounds talks at some of the hospitals and I believe it’s featured in a D V D for medical professionals to learn about NDEs. How important is it for the medical profession to accept and understand that NDEs are real?

Barbara Bartolome: Absolutely important. My example of an NDE and then voicing it to those people that were present. None of them admitted at the time, ‘hey Barbara, you had an NDE. ‘I don’t know back in 1987, if they knew what an NDE was. But nowadays a lot of people, medical professionals included have heard of these. So when someone has one, they just simply need to say that’s called a near-death experience and there’s a lot of information online. There are websites and organizations that help people to acclimate to this situation that you’ve just had. They don’t have to say that they believe in it or that they don’t believe in it. Just give the patient the best care possible by telling them what it is and saying there’s information out there. That’s all they need to do.

Johnny Burke: I think that’s as good advice on that as anyone’s going to get. Of course, there’s going to be pushback from some people that maybe their pastor or the people at their church say ‘those things are not real’, which I think it’s kind of sad, really.

Barbara Bartolome: Well, I’ve spoken at churches, and they’ve completely wanted me to come and talk there and they’ve been very open and accepting of it. So it depends on how the church is led.

Johnny Burke: It depends on the type of church -we have the Unitarian church, then we even Spiritualist churches that have mediums in them.

Barbara Bartolome: When I talked to Salt Lake City, the whole room, 150 people were all Mormons , or mostly all Mormons. They believe in near-death experiences. The problem that I see is that a lot of religions believe God is dead. They don’t believe God’s really present currently here and capable of impacting our lives and helping us and doing things with us. And it’s just really sad because I realize strongly that he’s alive.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about what we’ve all learned from these organizations like IANDS, the Afterlife Research and Education Institute (AREI)and the Near-Death Experience Research Foundation.(NDERF)

Barbara Bartolome: Well, I think that the NDEs are teaching us to help us grow our souls here on earth. I think that’s kind of our purpose to be here when we incarnate. I think that we’re given all these challenges and, aspects of our life that we need to learn from. And I think that that’s why we’re here. One of the things that I really strongly believe in and have all my life now is the idea of reincarnation. I feel very strongly that we’re here multiple times and that each time we probably choose a particular life, our parents, our siblings, what’s going to happen to us. And we end up coming into our life and growing our souls and learning and then going back, what I call home.

I don’t believe there’s a heaven in a hell. I’m really sorry, but I don’t. I feel like it’s just home where we came from and I always use a heart for the O on home because I think it’s just full of love, which is what I think God really represents to the world is that he’s there, he’s helping us grow our souls and he’s there when we return home again. And all this other stuff that’s been written in the Bible, I think some of it can be true and some of it can be man’s interjection into the whole thing.

Yeah. I really feel we have a purpose in our lives. So I really feel that we come here with an idea of something that we want to accomplish, and a lot of the NDEers talk about how when they were faced with their near-death experience, they realized that their purpose wasn’t completed yet. And I felt that same thing when I was out of my body.

Johnny Burke: The near-death experiences seems to be that portal to the beginning of the life- death- reincarnation cycle because it gives us a glimpse of what our purpose is, and whether we fulfilled it or not. There’s been many accounts where people say they went through something similar to what you did and they were told,’ no, you got to go back- you’re not done yet.’

Barbara Bartolome: A beautiful one is Dr. Mary Neal, who was in a river rafting accident in a kayak. And on the other side, when she was out of her body, she was sitting in a beautiful meadow, and she said that Jesus was sitting next to her on a rock. She wanted to stay even though she had four children and a lovely husband who was a doctor, she wanted to stay. She said it was so incredibly wonderful to be there next to him and be on the other side. He told her that her oldest son, Willie was going to have a terrible accident at, I think it was age 18. And that she needed to return to her life because she needed to be there and help the community that they lived in -Jackson Hole, Wyoming, to come to grips with the situation that had happened to her son. And in fact, he was hit by a distracted driver, at age 19 and he was killed. That was something that she needed to come forward and help the community to understand, not be angry and upset with this distracted driver, that it had been planned long before the accident happened and that this was Willie’s choice to leave at that time.

She also was told that her husband was going to have a major medical issue that he wouldn’t detect ahead of time and that she needed to be there otherwise the children would lose him as well. That happened as well. So we’re here for a purpose. We’re here to contribute to others’ lives. We’re here to do the best that we possibly can. And I really look forward to seeing the final video of my life. When I get to see the rerun of my life and look at the places where I contributed to other people and see how that branched out and touched other people’s lives beyond that. The whole aspect of my life has been volunteering and helping others and finding people that need assistance and finding a way to help. That’s what I do.

Johnny Burke: excellent. I think experiences like this really does give us a glimpse of what really happens when we finally make that transition. So, Barbara, thanks so much for joining us. Excellent information. How can our listeners learn more about you online?

Barbara Bartolome: They can Google Barbara Bartolome NDE. On YouTube, you’re going to get a lot of videos. You’re going to get a beautiful documentary by a French film producer named Anthony Chen and of course, this wonderful podcast audio right now today with Johnny Burke!

#86 Lucy Brand: The Metaphysical World Part I

September 10, 2022 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Lucy Brand. She’s an energy alchemist, galactic shaman, divine channeler, and founder of Energetic Essence Healing. She helps women to heal challenges in their current life through channeling the divine angels, galactic beings, fairies, and looking at past lives. All of which we will be talking about today. Lucy, welcome to the program.

Lucy Brand: Thanks you so much for having me. I’m so excited to be here, Johnny.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. your journey into the metaphysical world covers many areas. How did you get started on this path?

Lucy Brand: I think it’s always been there. It’s always been within me which might sound really corny, but I’ve just always known that I’ve been different and always been able to see things or sense things or hear things that other people couldn’t from a very young age. And so I guess to me, it’s normal, like that experience. It was only as I started to get older that I realized other people don’t hear voices or see things in the same way that I do.

Johnny Burke: You may have been reading my mind just a little bit there because what I was going to say is, it’s very common for intuitives to be able to see and hear things that other people could not. It almost always happens at a younger age,

Lucy Brand: Yeah,

Johnny Burke: Three, four or five years old, so.

Lucy Brand: Definitely. When I was very young, I think I was four or five. I had an imaginary friend, and my mom would have to set a place at the dinner table for them and plug them into the car with the seatbelts and stuff. They were very real to me.

Johnny Burke: seat belts?

Lucy Brand: You’d have to get in the car with us. And yeah, my parents never shamed me. They went along with it all, but now back then I know that yeah, I was seeing things. I did sense things. I remember I was probably about three, when an angel visited me and gave me kind of my book of life, of what I wanted to do, should I choose to do it. There was just lots of things that I could kind of pick if I wanted to do. And it was such a beautiful experience. I think just from a very young age, these things were very normal to me.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned the Book of Life. Could that be the same thing as the Akashic Records or is it something different?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, it could be, I personally don’t know a lot about the Akashic Records. What I have found in my personal experience is that sometimes a lot of people like to put labels on things as humans, and my labels don’t necessarily match up to someone else’s labels because it’s my experience of something. So in that way, it could have been the Akashic Records, but my understanding was, it was only this lifetime we were looking at, not all lifetimes. And my understanding of the records is it’s across all lifetimes and all energetic footprints.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard the same thing, but the book of life seems to be related; it could be the soul blueprint. Was that an angel or a spirit guide? Or are those terms sometimes interchangeable?

Lucy Brand: I think those terms are interchangeable, but I think this was definitely an angel to me because they were very bright white, and I’ve had experiences. Even a few years ago, I was at, a meetup for women entrepreneurs and a lady was speaking and I was listening, it was about 10 in the morning, and all of a sudden Archangel Michael and Archangel Raphael appeared behind me. I was like, you’ve got to be kidding me. Angel bumps on my skin. My hair was like, I was electric, and I was like, not now! Like I’m trying to listen to this lady speak. And they were just,- I was just like, this is so inappropriate. And they were so impressive with their wings- I could feel them, but I could see them as well, but obviously there was, it was a packed room, but they were in there and they just delivered the message at the time that it was now time for me to start speaking about my experiences, because I kind of have been in a bit of the closet with them. cause some of them have been quite wild.

Johnny Burke: That is so cool. It sounds like it’s too good to be true. Can you tell those guys to come visit me sometime” so I can say a little prayer: “Please help me in this episode, uncover the love and the light ….and please make me look cool?”

Lucy Brand: Not at all.

Johnny Burke: All right. Hopefully they don’t get angry with me but, seriously though, I think a lot of us, when we used to go to church, when we were younger, those are the experiences that we wanted. But after a while, I started to think okay, so where are the angels? Where are they? I think a lot of people felt the same way. So during these experiences, did any of your friends or cohorts witness the same thing or was it just your personal experience?

Lucy Brand: No, just my personal experience. I have had really powerful healing sessions with other healers, but that would tend to be more past lives. And they would maybe see the past life that I’m seeing that’s my own. I would say that those experiences are just reserved for me, which I think is really beautiful, but anyone could have those experiences.

I feel everyone’s intuitive. It’s about opening yourself up. I think this might be true. Well, it resonates with me, is talk to angels or spirit guides or whatever you choose to believe in source, divine, but not just when things are bad. Because even if things are good, they can help elevate them to something better. That’s why I always a set, like an intention for the equivalent or something better for the highest good of all involved, because my human consciousness is so small compared to that of the divine or source, or even angels, that if I offer it up, my human consciousness might not even be able to conceive of the amazingness that’s possible.. I feel that when I’ve worked with people, trying to help them develop, it starts with a feeling in your body, listening for the feedback for them to come back to you.

Johnny Burke: so speaking of the feeling and having them come back to you, do you find in your experience that expressing gratitude can raise our vibration and foster, more communication?

Lucy Brand: Don’t know. That’s a really good question. That might be true. again, it’s just something that I’ve done for such a long time. I probably take it for granted a bit because I have conversations with them all the time. My husband now knows a difference when I’m talking to myself or angels or something or him because I’m constantly talking to beings. Spirits. Yeah. This for me it’s they’re in the room with me all the time. So it’s just never stops unless I tell them to go.

Johnny Burke: Are they here now?

Lucy Brand: Oh yeah. They’re all here all the time!

Johnny Burke: I think that’s pretty incredible. When you have these communications, is it like telepathic? Is it a voice in your head or is it just a knowing? How does that work?

Lucy Brand: I think it’s all of them because you see sometimes it can be difficult to translate into human words, what they’re showing me. So, sometimes it can be difficult to translate, so for me, I see things, or I sense things. or sometimes I muscle test, if I’m too emotionally attached, it can make the signal a bit squiggly, if that makes sense. So then I will muscle test it, whether it’s a yes or a no to something.

But normally for me, it’s seeing, or hearing or feeling. yeah, I see everything. Yeah. Sometimes it’s a bit much like to be honest with you, a lot of past lives, aren’t that pleasant for most of us , so when sometimes some of the things I see in past lives, aren’t that nice. And I’m like, “oh. Dude, you don’t have to show me this. I get it.” I get it”

Johnny Burke: I like how you did that,” dude. You don’t have to show me that “that’s incredible. This is something I definitely want to get into- the past lives, but before we get to that and we will- you have a vast background in this journey of yours: energy alchemist, galactic shaman- that might be an entire episode unto itself ,and divine channeler so what actually came first?

Lucy Brand: I feel that it was the divine channeler, because I’ve always been connected to the divine in some way and been able to channel things or see things or hear things. Then I would say the energy alchemist came probably in my thirties throughout my life I would have people tell me” you’re a healer, you’re a healer.” And I’d be like, “but I don’t want to be a healer. Stop it. ” to be honest, I shut it all down when I was 15 because the dead could contact me and I was hearing voices and stuff like that. It’s hard enough being a teenager without that stuff. So I really shut it all off.

But then late twenties, and early thirties, I really started to open up to it again. And that’s when I started looking more into shamanism and energy work. And that’s when the energy alchemist came because I realized I could help people through shifting energy and moving stuck energy. And then the galactic shaman, that was when my light language came through probably about five years ago. Then started channeling beings from galactic realms. so they’re different to angels. And I found when I started that I had an Arcturian council of 12 that would help me with channeling, but now I can channel any galactic being I desire.

Johnny Burke: Wow that’s really incredible. The first thought would be energy shamanism and channeling. It’s connected. Isn’t it?

Lucy Brand: Completely.

Johnny Burke: It’s all part of the quantum realm. At least that’s what I’ve been told.

Lucy Brand: this is all just my experience and my perspective. So my understanding of this is like, we are all one, so I am connected to the divine, but I’m also connected to an Arcturian being and they’re all just in different realms, but because time doesn’t exist, I am in all those realms at the same time, because I’m a multidimensional being. So when you kind of get that, wrap your head around it, you realize that you could channel anything or anyone, even for the energy sources of trees or nature on this planet, everything has an energy signature.

Johnny Burke: This might open up a completely different rabbit hole, but Arcturians;what do they look like and what is their intention? Or is that a topic for another day?

Lucy Brand: From my experience, my connection, they’re kind of the master healers of the universe and also very, very intelligent and also have the fastest spacecraft in the universe as well. So they do a lot of humanitarian work. And I have seen that as well. I’ve seen some wild stuff that I’ve done, but I’ve had to close a portal in someone’s lounge where some galactic refugees that look like giant toads were coming through into the lounge. So I had to close- I know, this is like 11 o’clock on a Tuesday morning. so I had to close that portal. Yeah. Someone’s lounge.

Johnny Burke: a house like a living room?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. The thing is when you start opening up to stuff like this, and she’d started to open up the channels, but she wasn’t protecting her energy and protecting our home. That’s the biggest thing; you’ve got to protect yourself and create kind of barriers really, like protections around yourself when you start doing this work. But she couldn’t see stuff, she could just sense it. So she knew something was going on in her lounge, but she couldn’t see it. So I came over and I was like, oh yeah, I can see it. What’s yeah, what’s going on.

Johnny Burke: Pretty incredible. And what you just said about protections. I wanted to ask you this anyway with your talents, being able to speak to the dead and other beings for that matter- is there any reason why you didn’t just become a medium or…

Lucy Brand: Yeah,

Johnny Burke: is that something you wanted to avoid?

Lucy Brand: That doesn’t float my boat. So my experience of- let’s call them spirits. So my understanding is you pass over and then some people go to the light and, I don’t know, there’s this other world there or this other realm, which is, Love and Light. But then there’s some people that kind of get stuck in the middle. And I’ve helped some of those people go to the light because everyone goes to the light. There is no hell, but the people that tend to get stuck in the middle, some people call them ghosts. My experience- they tend to be a bit angry or have got a bit of vengeance or something like that because they don’t know they’re dead. Because they haven’t wanted to die, or something happened. There was a freak accident or something like that.

If we talk about energies, right? When you channel energies, you are still kind of on some level embodying that energy. You’re still taking it in as a healer, a channeler, you’re still taking that into your system, into your nervous system. With people that kind of died in that way it tends to be heavy energy. There tends to be a lot of sorrow, sadness, anger, and those denser heavier emotions. My knowing from a very young age was that would take its toll on you. Whereas what I channel is the lighter frequencies, like light language, galactic beings, angels, and their frequencies, are a lot higher. then say these other frequencies.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that quite a bit. Unfortunately, when people die in a certain manner, let’s say even a suicide- who knows for sure, but they might be stuck in that in-between world. Hopefully, I think I heard you say everyone eventually goes to the light. There is no hell. There is no eternal damnation.

Lucy Brand: Yeah. And it really is easy. Sometimes they’re just lost. like, ” there’s the light, go on off you go” In my experience of the other side, there is only love and light. And that’s really what is here for us on planet earth. But it’s our humanness that can get in the way of that. Everyone has a free will on this planet. People can choose to behave in a way that might not be appropriate.

Johnny Burke: We will have to dive into that on another episode or another show, but definitely some great stuff there. I think it’s good for people- including myself to hear that. You also come from a long line of witches. I believe it’s on your dad’s side. How did you find out about that?

Lucy Brand: Interestingly, I always kind of knew. So it only passes down the female line. It doesn’t pass down the male line in my particular lineage and my grandma would read tea leaves and she would get together with her sisters, and they would read tea leaves. They left school at like 12 or 14 and they would fall asleep and speak in tongues, they would see the dead. They would predict the future as well. They predicted some pretty big things that happened in my family, through reading tea leaves and things like that. But my grandma, she didn’t really want to be a part of it, even though she had these gifts. So she never really taught me how to use them or control them. And that’s why it was quite scary as a teenager, having these gifts and not really knowing what to do with them or how to work with them.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned something about protecting yourself. Every medium or intuitive- anybody that channels anything, really stresses you have to do almost like a protection spell to only allow the light to come in and, there are apparently some beings that are not so nice, which we don’t talk about them too much at any time, so

Lucy Brand: It was one of the first things I learned when I was studying shamanism and it was a game-changer for me as an empath. So as soon as I started putting, I call them protection bubbles up around me,I wasn’t taking on other people’s emotions or their projections onto me. As a highly sensitive empath, that was a game-changer anyway, for me to live my life. But then just taking that and using that, because it’s the same if you are speaking to people in the spirit world as well, so I’d highly recommend it If you’re going to work, you know, or like, anything in your human life, putting a protection bubble around you.

Johnny Burke: We’re going to have to get those explicit instructions, by the end of the show- that’s great advice. Now for the past lives, how did you get involved with that, how did you learn about past lives you obviously work with them with your clients, right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, definitely, it’s just one of those things I just knew. I’ve just always known that this isn’t the only reality. I think it really ramped up a year after I got married, I had a vision, a really strong one of me and my husband in Victoria and England time. But we were both men and I was married to someone else, and he was married to someone else., and it was so strong. It was so visual. We were in this gentleman’s club. It was the only place that we could be together, being gay was illegal in England at that time. Then after that they just came through very thick and fast, because I know, and I feel my husband and I have had a lot of previous lifetimes together, but this is actually the first one we could actually be together because the other ones we couldn’t because of class systems -that one in ancient Egypt, we couldn’t, because I was kind of a noble lady, if you like, and he was a servant. Then we had another one in the states, in the US where he was the woman in that one and I was the man and I lost him in childbirth. Then with other healers, if I’m being worked on, then my past lives come up all the time. I’ve had some really funny ones.

But then for clients, I just tune in, like when they come to me with a challenge they’re struggling with in this lifetime. I’ll just check if is this a past lifetime thing? And then my guides will be like,” yes” and then they’ll normally show me what’s going on and I’ll be like, ‘all right okay. It kind of links into karma as well. My understanding is that the same souls circle each other. So that Victorian past lifetime, I mentioned, my wife in that lifetime is my mom in this lifetime. so the same yeah, so the same souls circle each other all the time. So that means stuff that perhaps you didn’t work out in a previous lifetime, you then have the opportunity to work out in this lifetime. But also it means perhaps if you had a sticky situation in another lifetime, once you heal that from that other past lifetime, it completely frees up your relationship or the situation in your current lifetime.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that as well from several people. What you just mentioned about how souls circle each other; is that related to the soul group or the soul family?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. Yeah. Like you have a soul group and a soul family. My feeling on this is that once you. Worked out your karma or you’ve completed, then different souls are going to come in. So your soul family is going to be forever changing. The whole goal is to evolve.

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard of the concept of the soul family evolving and changing. So one of the things I’d want to know about, the past life in Egypt. About how long ago was that?

Lucy Brand: Oh, I don’t know. Like it was a long time ago. I’ve had two, actually. I had one where I was a horrible, kind of religious man who was very high up with a Pharaoh of some kind. It was that time pyramids being built and stuff. And I was not a nice person in that one. I had to do a lot of healing on that. Sort of forgiveness. The one with my, husband, that was a bit more modern. I would’ve probably said, I don’t know, like white robes and I’m wearing gold. maybe 16th century?

Johnny Burke: That could be a thousand years ago, but do you get the idea that maybe some of these lives were before recorded history?

Lucy Brand: I did have one that I know of that was a bit difficult to decipher because I think it was before Mayan times. It was some kind of channel. I was a human, almost like goddess-like channel to other realms. you might have heard of the Atlanteans that was in South America. I remember finding it really difficult to describe because the stuff I was seeing and sensing it wasn’t from this world, but I was on planet earth. But that was before records began, our current records kind of thing.

Johnny Burke: very interesting. One last thing I wanted to ask you about the Egyptian lifetime, the earlier one. We see Egyptian art from thousands and thousands of years ago, illustrating these half human- half-animal beings. Was that superstition or worship? To the best of your knowledge, did those beings actually exist?

Lucy Brand: They did. They did exist because yeah, they would be like, an interpretation. For me, the Arcturians exist -that council exists. So I could create art of that. And that’s true. And I think it’s the same with that.

Johnny Burke: Did you actually see these things, or do you remember or did you sense it?

Lucy Brand: No, I didn’t see them then. The Mayon one or the ancient Egypt one.?

Johnny Burke: Ancient Egypt.

Lucy Brand: Yeah, I didn’t see them then there, wasn’t my time there. They were kind of already there.

Johnny Burke: So in other words that probably happened thousands, maybe 20,000 years ago or something of that nature?

Lucy Brand: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Many people that’ve been on the show apparently recall lives from Atlantis or even Lemuria, which is supposed to be even older. When you work with your clients, past life memories just come up and you communicate with your guides, and you can tell if their issue is related to a past life. You can see that pretty easily?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, like they’ll just show me. And normally it’s because the challenge that my client has it’s normally, because they’ve got karma with someone else. So they’ll show me the past life with that person and what’s happened. And then usually I’ll say,” this is what’s going on.” They’ll be like,” how did you know that?” like, I’ll get stuff about this lifetime, and I’ll ask them a question and they’ll be like,” how do you know that?’ because it’s all connected. It’s all connected especially if you’re in the same soul family.

Johnny Burke: Now regarding the spirit guides, it seems there’s like an intersection of sorts between angels and spirit guides. Then our higher selves, which I could never really quite figure out. Are they the same thing? What would be the best explanation of that for the layman?

Lucy Brand: My understanding is that you have sourced the divine, you have angels, then you have galactic beings. Then you kind of have like fairies and nature spirits. That’s why I was laughing as they’ve just turned up now, not wanting to be left out. But they’re quite earthbound really. The higher self, I believe and think that is actually part of you. So sharing one of the tricks of the trade here. Like I have conversations with other people’s higher selves sometimes to find out what’s really going on. So if someone’s acting out, I’d go and talk to their higher self and I’d be like,” Hey, what’s really going on? why are you really feeling sad?” the thing is with us humans is that we will never say what’s actually going on, especially if we’re hurting or in pain. So if you want a direct answer, you go to the higher self of someone. When I start doing stuff like this, I always ask, “is it divine and advisable?” and I’ll get a yes, in which case I can proceed. Or I’ll get a no. I’ve rarely got a no, and when I get a no, it’s like a lockdown.

If I have a client and I’m doing healing work on their body, I can see every layer of their body in terms of the energetic imprints and things like that. Sometimes if the client’s not ready to know information, that part’s not ready to be healed yet they’ll block it off. So I can’t see it because they’re very intelligent

Johnny Burke: Wow.

Lucy Brand: So, I always want to stay in the light, you know? I want to make sure that what I am doing is of the light and is good work. So that’s why I always ask if it’s divine and advisable. So I talk to higher selves all the time, and I think they’re tied more to a person’s spirit, an individual spirit. Whereas I feel like angels aren’t really tied to a human.

Johnny Burke: I would tend to agree with that. It reminds me of what someone told me not too long ago; when we go through an earthly life and reincarnate and go into that space in between incarnations and come back, a portion of our, maybe it is the higher self? stays home while our human self is down here. Does that make sense?

Lucy Brand: Yeah. That does make sense, but I think it’s one of those things where it’s all within.

Johnny Burke: What you’re saying about the information is given to you only if it’s helpful in that situation. If they’re not ready for it, you’re not going to hear about it, right?

Lucy Brand: Yeah, definitely because I don’t want to know either. I have to be responsible on my end. So, and sometimes I’ll do a little muscle test under my desk and be like, is this client ready to know this stuff? And it might come back a yes or it might come back a no. So then I decide what I share. That’s another reason why I stayed away from- I can do mediumship and I have done it with some clients, because I feel like it’s helped them to hear from a loved one on the other side. But at the same time, when you do that, you become like a lighthouse and they all come and it’s just like”, no! get in the queue, get in the queue.”

Johnny Burke: I’m glad that you brought that up. One of my sister’s friends was sitting for a medium couple of years ago. And this was after our mom had passed. I believe my sister’s friend name is Stephanie. The medium was giving her a reading and all of a sudden, the medium stops, and she said,” who’s Nancy?” my sister’s friend said, “that’s my friend”. And she says, “are you going to visit her?”, which she was,” ” this woman is literally like jumping up and down waving.” And we think it was our mom. Does that sound plausible?

Lucy Brand: Totally. That happens all the time. Like, you can get people that other spirits that hijack as well, and you’re like, “get away, like this is their moment to shine. !”

Johnny Burke: Incredible!

Lucy Brand: yeah.

Johnny Burke: That’s definitely good to know. You’ve apparently spoken to God. Was it God or Jesus, or is it since we’re all one anyway? Tell us about that. How’d that happen?

Lucy Brand: All of them.

Johnny Burke: All of them?

Lucy Brand: yeah, so some people say the word, God, I prefer the word divine, because I think it’s not as charged sometimes for people, but I feel that it’s just an energy. It’s an energy. Like angels are an energy they can take form if they choose to. There’s been a few times, one of the most powerful ones was when I went to see a healer because I was really struggling – I experienced a traumatic burglary in my twenties and I was really struggling to move past it.

I went to see this healer and she was another one that said, “you’re a healer”, and I was like,” I don’t want to be”. While she was healing me and it was amazing because what other healing modalities had never been able to do- I’d got memory loss from that event, she managed to bring that memory forward. I could then know what actually happened that night, I could clear it from my system and let it go. So she did that with a violet flame, and she moved it out of my body. While she was doing that, Source spoke to me and said “Lucy, if you want to, in this lifetime, your mission is to show women how to give love, receive love, be love, and be loved. I was just like,” whoa. okay.!” and then like afterward I was pretty shell-shocked. I just remember going to the beach afterward, trying to process, ‘well I have to do this now.’ I can’t like not do it. ‘

When I’m in a healing session that’s focused on me, I go into a very deep meditative state, really deep states where I can access a lot of stuff. And I spoke to God again and I was just trying to find out whether the burglary was my fault and they said,” no, it was not your fault. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time, and it wasn’t supposed to happen.” And that was hugely releasing for me because I think sometimes. With these things, we can blame ourselves and we can really beat ourselves up about it. Whereas to just hear that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time was very healing. Every time I’m in their presence, it’s the best feeling. It’s like love and bliss and joy and peace, all of that wrapped up in one. It’s amazing.

Johnny Burke: And I’ve been told that, by many people that some of these visits to energy healers are pretty incredible. I had one guest speaker a while back that said he basically felt like he met Jesus through a healer – an energy healer. I thought that was pretty incredible. as was, this episode. One last question; can you give us, a brief synopsis of the protective bubble mentioned?

Lucy Brand: Sure of course. Like I said before, everything’s within us. So I tend to connect to whoever I want. So I’ll connect with Archangel Michael, and I imagine the energy of Archangel Michael, which is actually, one of the most protective of angels. I imagine this bubble coming out from my torso in front of me, above me, below me, and behind me. And then I say something like “only love and light can enter and only love and light can leave. And so it is. Thank you divine within me”. And that’s it. I sometimes I like sometimes it might be a bit longer like, ” please only allow in blessings and joy and peace and the same out as well” because it’s not going to be a barrier. It’s going to be a flow of energy. So the same way, I only want to receive love and light. I only want to give love and light as well in case, someone challenges you a little bit or something you want to respond and not react.

Johnny Burke: Very good advice. I doubt I could top that, so I think we should end there. Lucy, thanks so much for joining us today. How can our listeners learn more about you?

Lucy Brand: Thank you so much for having me I’ve loved it. yeah, you can find me atwww.lucy-brand.com. I am on Instagram as well @energeticessencehealing. I’d love to hear from you.

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