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#193 Brownell Landrum: Metaphysical Mysteries and Reincarnation

September 28, 2024 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Brownell Landrum. She is an author, songwriter, host, and producer of the Life is a Trip podcast. She’s also an explorer of metaphysical mysteries, and in this episode, we’ll discuss how her work is inspired by past lives and reincarnation. Brownell, welcome to the program.

Brownell Landrum: Hi. Thanks. Glad to be here.

Johnny Burke: Life is a trip podcast. We’re going to have to dive into that, and I’m sure there’s a lot to unpack. very, very cool stuff. What got you interested in exploring and writing about the metaphysical in the first place?

Brownell Landrum: I got interested in it in the eighties, like, a lot of people with Shirley McClain when she came out with Out On A Limb. But it wasn’t until 2006 when I wrote my first book, which was nonfiction. And it was called Five Reasons Why Bad Things Happen. So when people say everything happens for a reason, I literally wrote the book on it. So like there’s a big debate, like does it happen for a reason? Yes. And I can tell you why.

Then it wasn’t until a few years later that I started writing fiction. And had so much fun. I wrote a love story and then I had so much fun writing the sequel to go back to their previous lifetimes and pulling all that together. I always tell people it’s like, I don’t care if you believe in reincarnation or not. I just want to open minds and you don’t have to believe in time travel to like Back To The Future, you know? but it’s so much fun to write, especially a relationship story. You can reintroduce the couples in a previous world in a previous situation all over again. And it’s super fun. And the new books I’m sure you’ll ask about, but the new series that I just launched the pre-order on is a famous couple from history who’s reincarnated today to fulfill a prophecy that’ll change the world.So that has five lifetimes in it. And that was really fun to write too.

Johnny Burke: That, that’s interesting because there’s, three episodes with a woman, I interviewed previously that has a similar story about a couple that have reincarnated over several lifetimes that are actually alive today. For the inspiration part, do you have past life memories of your own?

Brownell Landrum: I do, a few. I have kind of an interesting soul history, as far as, I don’t think I’m originally from this planet. So, that kind of explains. So I think that some of my memories are certainly from past lives, but some might be what I call kind of implanted memories,I think when people come from another planet here, they can go through kind of a simulation of what a lifetime would be like, but it might not be exactly the same as having lived that life. So I’m getting into weird territory here, but, but I think you like the weird, so.

Johnny Burke: Well, yeah, exactly. Good point. We do like a lot of the unexplained, the bandwidth of vision and sound is like this wide. Humans can typically only see about this much. The gist of it is we can only see and hear a very small, section of what actually is out there. If you’ve ever had a pet staring at something, which you can’t see,that illustrates the point because they can see things and hear things that we can’t.

Brownell Landrum: That’s very true.

The novels that I’m talking about are definitely fiction. I mean, they’re pure fiction. There’s another story that I wrote that’s called The End that we talked about, before, which is, it’s definitely my most autobiographical story that I’ve ever written. And, it’s all been conjuring for from this last year which a year ago, my landlord in Aspen decided to raise the rent 50%. And so that set me on an adventure. Sometimes the universe has to knock you,like border collies, you know, you’re going this way and like, no, we want you over here.

That led me to write that story. And it’s from the point of view of what I call the upstairs. I call ’em traffic angels, it’s like if this person’s here and this person’s here, how do you get them together? If you take an American woman in Aspen and a British man, how do you get them to meet in Tunisia, which is the true story. but it’s written from the point of view of this team upstairs and their guides and kind of these angels, these kind of logistics angels. What was so fun about it, Johnny, is that I was writing it and all of a sudden I’m realizing this is true. This is real. Like these, these beings are real, and they are telling me their story. So it was just a blast to write.

Johnny Burke: I think that’s what I was getting at before, because you’ve had, a very interesting soul history and. I’m not sure how many past lives you remember. I remember, many speakers telling me I’ve had hundreds, if not thousands. The point is you’ve lived it, you remembered it. So even though what you’re writing is fiction, it’s still somewhat based on fact. Does that make sense?

Brownell Landrum: Totally and the novels that I’ve got coming out now, are written about this famous couple in history, and I don’t know if I was one of them, but I certainly know they have been telling me what to write and they have been kind of cheering me on what story they want to tell.

You mentioned, the group and the podcast that I have, life is a trip reincarnation stories. It’s really important that we couch it in, whether it’s fictional or factual, because when it’s couched in fiction, sometimes people can suspend their disbelief and just enjoy the story. And that can open up people’s minds even more. So it’s really fun to kind of put that angle on it, because then we’re not trying to prove anything to anybody. We’re just trying to tell you a story. And sometimes, I found people that read my books and stories they might be Muslim or might be very evangelical Christian and not think that they ever could possibly believe in reincarnation or atheist, but they love the stories and all of a sudden now their mind is open to something that they wouldn’t have been open to before.

Johnny Burke: Great point. I’ve had people tell me that some of the Star Wars movies were completely channeled. Which I think is what you touched on earlier. and with the books I’m talking to more people that have written books, even though it’s fiction, it’s inspired by some of their own past life memories. Shows on TV, like Netflix and so on, that are kind of touching on time travel and the past lives. We’re seeing that more and more these days.

Brownell Landrum: More and more. and I think we’re just starting to see a lot more. I think that this is an avenue from a, just a pure storytelling standpoint. It’s just fun, it’s just interesting and fun and creative. From a marketing standpoint, there’s a billion and a half people on this planet that believe in reincarnation, and there are not enough stories out there.

I even pitched a TV series to Hollywood, and I outlined over 500 possible episodes of that show with past life stories. So many ways to tell these stories, so many kinds of stories, which is why I started the podcast because we’re celebrating writers around the world who are telling these stories and letting people just go and listen to stories. And they’re so different. Some are funny, some are very serious, some are mystical. And just the more stories we get out there, the more I think we’re going to change the world. I kind of believe that.

Johnny Burke: I agree, and I was just about toa ask you about that, but before we do that,the five reasons bad things happen, can’t wait to hear this. So what are they?

Brownell Landrum: So, you want the whole spoiler? Well,

Johnny Burke: I guess so. We have to do it at some point, right?

Brownell Landrum: That’s totally fine. I want to couch it just to begin with is that I have a list of what I call the basic assumptions, so if the basic assumptions don’t resonate with somebody, then there’s not much I can do. But if they do, then everything bad happens, I can explain it with one of these five reasons. Some of the basic assumptions are that there is some sort of higher power. You don’t have to believe it’s God or any definition of that. It could be an energy like love. It could be infinite intelligence. It could be a creator, kind of like Einstein believed in. But you have to believe that there’s some intelligence to the plan. You have to kind of believe that there’s a soul and the soul chooses a body. It becomes you because that’s a big part of what I’m getting ready to explain on the five reasons.

So there’re things like the good versus evil, evil happens when we’re separated from that divine part of ourselves. So when people talk about the shadow self, it’s really just separating yourself from the divine part. A lot of people say, oh, it’s balanced. No, not in my book- literally in my book. When you’re separating yourself and then you live in this planet that is based on survival of the fittest, and you get kind into that mucky world of survival of the fittest, like, oh, I have to be stronger than you, or smarter than you.

Johnny Burke: The 3D world?

Brownell Landrum: Yeah, and so all of this is pretty logical stuff for most of us. Some people might go, oh, I don’t believe that, and, I’m going to have a hard time convincing them. But the first one is as I said, you have a soul that chooses a body and becomes you. That soul is your higher self, or you could call it your super ego or your super conscious, right? Basic, Psychology 1 0 1 and the mind is the combination of the two, right? It’s when you become you. If my soul had chosen your body, it would be very different. Or vice versa. And then the body is the subconscious. And when I realized that the body is the subconscious, that’s what opened everything up in terms of explaining it.

So the first reason why bad things happen is subconscious sabotage. And it’s so simply explained when you realize it’s your body telling you it doesn’t want to do something you want it to do. And so you have to get really in touch with that part of yourself, that body, self, the subconscious. For example, one of the stories I like to tell is that a friend of mine was a workaholic. She was going to work all Labor Day weekend, one weekend. And she goes out to get Thai food, comes back, trips on the curb, and she’s in bed all weekend, with a swollen ankle. Her body was like, hell no, I’m not working all weekend. I don’t care what you tell me. Right?

So the body will come in and sabotage you in a lot of ways, that you’re just not aware of unless you’re really in touch with your body. I’m sure you’ve been driving down a street or on a highway or whatever, and then you kind of forget, like there’s a gap of time that you forget, your mind goes away, but your body takes over. But your body can take over and do kind of not good things, like eat things that you shouldn’t eat, all these kinds of things. So on the body level, first of all, just try to understand the connection. I’m not sure how much you know about the Huna religion are, you are much very familiar with that?

Johnny Burke: I’m not an authority on any religion.

Brownell Landrum: Okay. Yeah. Well, I learned it from a friend of mine and, and I just took this principle from there, which is, you’ve heard of the big kahuna, right? well, the big kahuna is the head of the Huna tribe. It’s a Polynesian religion, and it’s more like Psychology 1 0 1 to me. But one of the principles that I loved about it was to come up with a name for your body. And I’m telling you, if the world could just come up with a name for their body and get to know their body and have conversations with their body, then that would change everything. ’cause you could go, Hey body, what do you want to do today? What do you want to eat? And you can also negotiate with your body saying, look, if you focus for the next hour to get this project done, I’ll take you out to have fun. If not, the body will sabotage you all afternoon and you don’t get to do either thing.

Johnny Burke: When our soul picks a body, which sounds a lot like what happens in the in-between incarnation space, right? Life between lives where you choose a family, I think, then you come down here, obviously you drink from the river of forgetfulness.

Brownell Landrum: Dante

Johnny Burke: And then you come down here and you realize that there’s good parts and there’s bad parts. But what you don’t remember is that you signed up for it back then in that space. Could that explain a lot of it?

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. In fact, I wrote a children’s book that’s kind of about the meaning of life, and there’s a verse in there. It says, we decide on our lessons, the path we will take, awards we might go for, and mistakes we might make for life isn’t easy and not always fun, but easy is boring, like games always won.

Johnny Burke: That’s great.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. So it really explains how all that works. We decide on our lessons and we pick at our names, you know, and that kind of thing. So, yes, that ties into, the second reason is that there’s some sort of karmic lesson, right? And that also ties into, well, if I’m supposed to learn this thing, but if I go do this thing, then how can I learn not to do it anymore? And Karma will come back and give you that kind of lesson.

Then the third one is that there is a lesson, and I list a hundred different lessons that it could be. The fourth one is that there’s a test to see if you learn the lesson. And then the fifth one is that there’s a blessing in disguise, right? There’s some sort of like, darn it, I missed that light, or I miss that plane. Oh, that plane crashed, right? So you can see something as you think it’s bad, but then it ends up taking you down a more positive path. And then there’s, overlying all of them is the big reason why, which is to get you to change something, right? The whole purpose is to get you down a new road.

Johnny Burke: The consensus does seem to be that we come here to learn a lesson. Sometimes they are not fun. Sometimes they’re downright pretty horrible. But unless we do that, we’re not going to progress and get closer to being a light being and getting farther away from being a dense being. That’s probably the easiest way to explain it, which is consistent with just about every other speaker that have had experience, direct experience in that in-between space, which I think could tell us a lot about why things happen and why bad things happen.

Brownell Landrum: Do you know what you do in between? Do you know what your job is?

Johnny Burke: I can’t remember it – all I can tell you is what I’ve been told by the speakers on the show for the past four years. I’ve heard lots of different things, but I’m sure you’ve got something to tell us about that.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah, well, of course I love Michael Newton’s books, which I’m sure you probably are familiar with. Right. And he does talk about different jobs and some people are up there painting sunsets, right? There’s somebody in charge of the lottery, right? That’s up there trying to make sure the right person wins the lottery. There are people creating new versions of flowers. for me, I’m part of a team that creates planets.

Johnny Burke: You’re part of a team that creates planets, so you are still in touch with some of these beings?

Brownell Landrum: Oh yeah. Oh

Johnny Burke: Okay. that we need to hear about.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah, that’s a really interesting thing because, I’ll tell you two stories related to that. One of them was, I’ve known about it for many years, but I didn’t tell anybody, just never said that to a soul ’cause I thought it would freak people out- except for you- I knew it wouldn’t freak you out. Then all of a sudden, this guy I meet, and he comes up to, he goes,” you create planets on the other side, don’t you? “And I’m like, okay, this is confirmation out of the blue. This person knew this.

Johnny Burke: Who was that?

Brownell Landrum: It was just a friend of mine, but he just all of a sudden just said that. And then fast forward quite a few years after that, I’m kind of in a meditative place working with my team because one of the reasons I’m here is to see what’s going on on this planet and see how I can contribute to its improvement. And like you said to elevate,

Johnny Burke: Can you make sure the right person wins the next election?

Brownell Landrum: the truth is I am working on that, but that’s a whole nother thing.

Johnny Burke: I said that in jest, but Hey, I had to ask.

Brownell Landrum: I’ve made some predictions that have been pretty interesting and, the most recent one, that I made a few years ago is really interesting. So we’ll see how that manifests, but I don’t want to go down that road. I know you probably don’t want to talk politics,

Johnny Burke: Let’s wait until the tape stops, but I definitely have to hear that.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. Yeah, it’s very interesting what’s happening., but anyway, I was in a meditative place working with the team because we were talking about if Earth doesn’t progress, or doesn’t heal is a better way to say it, then where are these earth energies going? Because some people, I believe, started out on earth. Right? They started up as amoebas probably and graduated up the chain, whereas some of us come from other places and we’ve graduated somewhere else, and then we come here and we’re here for a different kind of purpose. So I think that’s kind of a mixture of people but some of those earth energies may have consciousness ’cause the body has its own consciousness. That’s a key element to my first book. And so you’ve got to understand the level of that consciousness.

And so we were talking about, well, where do we take this energy, this consciousness of some of these beings and put them, so we were working on an alternative to earth to create another planet. I put in an order. I said, can we have one with more colors? Which is exactly to the point you were making earlier, right? There are frequencies of colors that humans can’t see, but birds we know have four cones in their eyes so they can see colors that we can’t. Animals can see an energy that we can’t. I have a funny meme where two ghosts are making love and the cat’s freaking out. It’s my favorite meme

Johnny Burke: That’s what I meant to describe the frequency spectrum is quite wide, but we as humans, we can only see a very small sliver of it. Many speakers have talked about what you’re talking about is we’re trying to actually normalize these things.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Kind of like an audio engineer takes all kinds of different recordings and use limiters and EQ and adjust things and take the noise out of it.

Brownell Landrum: And it’s also kind of like the concept of inattentional blindness. You can’t see it if you don’t know it exists. you may have seen that video with the gorilla going with the basketball players. You don’t see the gorilla until you hear there’s a gorilla walking through the basketball players. So yes, you have to have some awareness and first you might go, uh, and then you go, well, wait a minute. Maybe there’s something to it.

Anyway, to finish the story really quick I put in this order to have more colors in this new world. And then the next day, a good friend of mine called me. I hadn’t talked to her forever, and she said,” I had a dream about you last night.” I said, “yeah.” And she said, “you took me on a tour of the cosmos, but instead of being all dark, it was all bright colors.”

Johnny Burke: Wow. Talk about how everything is connected.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. Isn’t that wow. That was really fun. It was like the message is getting out there. So, that’s kind of the purpose of my podcast of the stories is some people never believed in it at all, but then they might listen to a story and go, well wait a minute, this is possible. I had a friend of mine who is a diehard atheist but she loved reading my stories. But diehard atheist and she got a terminal illness. She ended up passing away last February, but I told her when she first got the illness, I said, now when you go, you’re going to have to come back and tell me I was right.

Johnny Burke: I like that

Brownell Landrum: Her Granddaughter literally like right before her last breath, she said,” Brownell said to remember, remind you to come see her.” And she did. And her friends didn’t believe it. They didn’t know any of that was possible. But when I said, yes, she’s here. I’ve seen see her in this bird. It opens people’s minds and they’re like, wow, I really do want to believe that she’s with her husband who had passed away and my husband who just died. You know? it gives people hope and, and it gives people more promise, you know, in the future, and that’s what really makes it really fun.

Johnny Burke: It definitely does give people hope, and that’s kind of the one of the main reasons that I think a lot of us are trying to do this, trying to have a forum for people to tell their stories and share their experiences. One of the things that I wanted to ask you about was- and you mentioned this before ,the We Meet Again, it’s a trilogy about a famous couple that reincarnated to fulfill a prophecy that will change the world. What’s a good soundbite about that for our listeners, which would kind of encourage them to go check that out?

Brownell Landrum: It starts with a modern-day couple, his first words to her when they meet is, we meet again. And then they’re both kind of like, why we’ve never met. And so they start having flashbacks to a previous lifetime in the 1930s in Brazil, and they’re protecting an artifact from nefarious sources. And so all of a sudden these nefarious sources are still looking for that artifact today because that artifact ties to a prophecy that goes back thousands of years. And so it’s really fun because I’m launching the trilogy at once, so you don’t have to wait, you know, a year for the next one. The second one goes back to a lifetime in the 15 hundreds. And my characters get to meet Shakespeare and Giordano Bruno, I big hero, big believer in reincarnation, also believed the universe was infinite and the earth went around the sun, and he was burned at the stake for that. But they get to meet John D and some of these people and it goes back even further. And they’re trying to basically prove something from their previous lifetime.

Since we already did it, I’m going to totally spoil part of it, which is the famous couple is Dante and Beatrice. He wrote the Divine Comedy, which is Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradiso. And so this is tying to a mystery that goes to this Secret Society where they’re here to prove something very profound that’ll change the world. And of course, a lot of people don’t want the world to change. So there are people against that.

Johnny Burke: It sounds like you are definitely on a mission. Being a fan of Dr. Michael Newton once you read those books, it’s kind of hard not to be. What are some of your most vivid memories or experiences of the in-between space? You mentioned something before about we actually have jobs at that point. I might be a guitar luthier, or I might be building amps or something like that.

Brownell Landrum: On that world, you could be like Pythagoras and the humming of the spears, right? Do you know all the Pythagorean history of the music of the planet’s energy in music, all throughout the cosmos. So you could go really big. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: That would be amazing. And thanks, because I’m going to ask for that when my time comes, I want to hear of the universe.

Brownell Landrum: We might hang out too. well, you’re creating a planet. Come on, let’s talk about the harmony of that planet with the planets near it.

Johnny Burke: As long as one of us has passes to go see Prince and John Lennon and Kurt Cobain and listen to them. I’ll even play bass for them if they want,

Brownell Landrum: Oh, it’s got to be a good jam up there, that’s for sure.

Johnny Burke: I would think so. What are some of the memories, because people have been talking about reincarnation for ages but the life in between lives space might be one of the things that explains what really happens, when we die, why do we make the choices we have? Why did bad things happen to good people, et cetera, et cetera.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. can you indulge me a minute and a half to recite my children’s book? ’cause it explains it.

Johnny Burke: Yes. Good.

Brownell Landrum: Sometimes I wonder if this isn’t home, and I don’t mean Paris or London or Rome. I’m talking about another other place before this time and outside the space. A place where we come from, and we’ll go to, again, a world so mysterious, it makes my head spin. This world is all magic with a glow that’s so bright, when I close my eyes, I still feel the light. Some call it heaven, some paradise to me, it’s a party where everyone’s nice. We have friends who will meet us with warm open hands and music to greet us like grand marching bands. It’s the place where we plan who will be with and when. We pick out our names like Sarah or Ben or Williams Rodriguez, Ivana Chen, whoever we choose will feel like our kin. We decide on our lessons, the paths we will take, awards we might go for, and mistakes we might make for life isn’t easy and not always fun, but easy is boring, like games always won. So we set up our challenges and mountains so high to test our endurance and reach the sky. It doesn’t much matter if we get to the top, what matters much more is what we do and we stop.

So I’ll leave it there. There’s more, but you can kind of get the idea. We do have things we do there, and I think there’s different reasons we reincarnate. Some come to learn lessons, some come to just hang up with their friends. Some come because they have a mission that they want to do on this planet. There’s lots of different purposes

You asked about, an experience and I actually went through a meditation about a month ago that got into the part of the other side, and how this planet creating it was one of the most fun visions I’ve ever had because my team was like an amusement park working on rides, putting everything together so, you can come here and take all these rides. But we were creating this world of this. And I just love the kind of analogy of it’s an amusement park. ’cause we do time to tend to take ourselves too seriously and, you know, we also need to have fun while we’re here.

There are different planets. Each of ’em have different lessons. So I will work with my team and we’ll sit there and figure it out, and we’ll figure out what’s the model of a planet? Can you procreate? If so, are there unlimited resources or do you have to compete for that? can you live forever? All these dynamics that you make when you’re doing the planet. So it’s really fun.

Johnny Burke: Can you create a planet where there’s nothing but really beautiful supermodels and rivers of weapons- grade IPA and Cabernet Sauvignon, and the best bands you can see living or not living? Maybe it’s a holographic presentation.

Brownell Landrum: Yeah. It’s, it’s a vacation spot.

Yeah, you can manifest that for sure. Why

Johnny Burke: I think I’ve heard that sometimes when we reincarnate, that one incarnation might be just like a vacation just because you need it. in other words, I can get together with some of my buddies and say, let’s go back to Earth like in 2050. . We actually can plan to come back into the world at that point?

Brownell Landrum: Absolutely you could decide, like you said, it can be a vacation time, or it can be, I want to hang with my friends. Or maybe you’re doing that and creating incredible music, for example. You want to create a band and you can be making a difference, in that regard, you know, I don’t think you have to always have a heavy lifetime. I think some of us sign up for harder lessons. Just to kind of graduate quicker, if you will. uh, so we get, we taught AP courses or, or whatever.

Johnny Burke: You call that an elective?

Brownell Landrum: What am I doing taking ap? I want to take an easy class. I want to take PE my whole life.

Johnny Burke: Exactly. Yeah. or just band

Brownell Landrum: or band, or chorus.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned something about dreams earlier, and I’ve not gotten a consistent answer on this yet, but when someone dreams about places and things and people that are really familiar, but they’ve never physically been there. Is that a past life? Is that a future life? What exactly is that?

Brownell Landrum: I actually talk about that in my reasons why book. I mean, I think that there definitely can be past life memories. I call them a dreamery. It can also be some way your subconscious talks to you. Like I use a dream analysis book, and I’ll sit there and go, okay, I’ll dream and I’ll no idea what a Purple River means while I’m dreaming about a Purple River. And then I look up my book and it’s like, oh, it means this thing is going to happen, or you means you need to do this, this next thing. So sometimes I think we just have symbols from our subconscious or our super conscious that would come to us through dreams. Sometimes it might just be electrical impulses. We’ve just had all these things going on through the day and they just pop, just reminders of things. So I think a lot of times I think when you see people, it can be a visitation from somebody from the other side as well.

Johnny Burke: That happens too. When you see people that are immediately familiar, but I’ve never met that woman before or I’ve never been to that place, but it felt very familiar. Do you have any idea what that is?

Brownell Landrum: I’ve definitely had past life dreams, for sure. I think sometimes it’s just a message; sometimes it’s a reflection of who you are in your subconscious. I think there’s a lot of different answers to that depending on what the person’s going through. But can you get a glimpse of somebody you’re supposed to meet so you can recognize them? Yeah, I think before we’re even born, we might set up reminder triggers, right? That this person’s going to smell this way, or we’re going to see them in our dreams, or they’re going to have a gesture or an expression and you go, oh, now that’s how I’m supposed to r remember you. So I think that can happen a lot too.

Johnny Burke: That can happen too. Okay, great. So, anything else that we need to know about, at least for today?

Brownell Landrum: We didn’t get too much into my story at the end. I want people to read that because I’ve had a couple of people actually tell me it could be a college course and, it’s just 9,000 word story. It’s free for anybody who wants it at any time. It’s from the perspective of the upstairs and when you start realizing that it’s been a really powerful year for me to go, okay, I’ve got to surrender and let them tell me what they want. And that’s not been an easy thing for me, and that’s not been my normal life. When I do what they want, they reward me with this joy that is just amazing. I’d love people to read that too. Because it’s free and I think it’s really connecting with people on a lot of levels.

Johnny Burke: And it’s also the title of a Doors song, The End, too.

Brownell Landrum: Great song.

Johnny Burke: I think we will be continuing this at some point soon to be continued. Brownell, thanks so much for joining us today , how can our listeners find you online?

Brownell Landrum: Well, I’m the only Brownell Landrum in the world, so, it’s pretty easy to find, https://brownelllandrum.com/

Johnny Burke: I will put those links in the show notes in the transcript as well. You’ve been listening to Closer to Venus, um, Johnny Burke. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing. In the meantime, you can find more info on closertovenus.com. Thanks again for tuning in and we’ll see you next time.

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Winnifred Davis. She is a poet, writer, spiritual counselor, psychic medium, and shaman. She’s also been a rescue soul for more than 33 years and has written several books about the soul, its journey, and the truth that is reincarnation.

Today, we will continue discussing her most recent book, A Broken Record, History on Rewind War Through the Eyes of the Soul, part two, Winnifred, welcome back to the show.

Winnifred Davis: Oh, thank you for having me again, John. How are you today?

Johnny Burke: Very good for a Sunday. Thanks. The last time, in part one of War Through The Eyes Of The Soul, we spoke about how we end the cycle of war and whether wars will ever end. So I think it’s a good idea to discuss war from your personal experience in your past lives.

Winnifred Davis: Okay. The first war I can remember going back occurred in Atlantis. At that time, my husband and I were exiled. We were rulers in Atlantis, and we were greedy, corrupt, and what have you. We were betrayed by the high priest, who had, when my husband was younger, been in charge of his education.

He married me, and then he took me as his partner in ruling our kingdom. And that kingdom went straight from northern Italy to the south of France and other places around the Atlantic Ocean. And then the priest was not pleased, so he conspired with people from other kingdoms and overthrew us. I was exiled to the east to what we now know as Crete and my husband was exiled to the West to what we now know as Morocco. I was exiled with the youngest of the two children, two boys, and he was exiled with the eldest one. There, I lived for another 30 years or so. He lived for another 40 years or so. The kids were separated, and it wasn’t easy. We used to communicate partly by telepathy.

Johnny Burke: Telepathy. Right. Okay. And by the way, what were your names back then?

Winnifred Davis: It was Mummar and Risi.

Johnny Burke: And you were Risi?

Winnifred Davis: I was Risi. So now we come to the second lifetime that I can remember, in war, took place in, I was the entity William Elphinstone, in Scotland. William Elphinstone was not motherless, but he didn’t know who his mother was. His father was a statesman. And, I should say my father gave me to nuns to raise. I grew up, I became a statesman and a lawyer. I was a bishop of Aberdeen in Scotland. I was also a peace negotiator. I negotiated the peace treaty between Scotland and the Netherlands in 1513; I believe. I advised at the time it was King James the Fourth, of Scotland not to go to war with England. And that was the battle of Flodden. He didn’t listen. He lost his life. And as a matter of fact, most of the nobility of Scotland was destroyed.

What did that mean? A lot of children were left fatherless. Now, if you were a noble and lost your father as a child, you were given to another nobleman who would educate you in the ways boys should have been educated. Well, there was no one to give the children to because most of the nobility was decimated by that war. Now, I died about a year later, mostly because of a broken heart, because I did not like war, and I did advise King James IV not to go to war.
I was Catholic then. I also founded the University of Aberdeen. Along with someone else, I brought printing into Scotland and started writing about the history of Scotland and biographies on notable figures in Scotland. I died in 1514.

About 50 years later, a little bit more, maybe 53 or so. I was born a Protestant and female—this time in England. At five years old, I was in France with my parents and the Bartholomew Day massacre occurred. Now, that massacre was a plan hatched by the King’s mother, Catherine De Medici. She was Catholic. During that massacre, between 3000 and as many as 30,000 Huguenots and other Protestants were murdered. A lot of the murdered people were thrown into La Seine. And as a little 5-year-old, I could remember when I go back, just cowering in fear because people were knocking on our doors to come in, and we did manage to get people in. And then each time you’d hear a knock, you know, here I was thinking, here are these bad people. When are they going to come in, maybe, and kill us? After it settled down with my mom who was pregnant at the time. We left France, of course, you had to hide, and we went back to England and waited for my father’s return.

now I got married at 16 to a soldier. I. He was not just a soldier, but I leave it there. He was a soldier, and this was in the Netherlands. He didn’t wear his leg protector or his leg armor, and he was wounded in the leg. He died a couple of weeks later. I nursed him. Sat with him all that time. The doctor should have amputated his leg. They did not. And so gangrene set in, and that was it.

The second husband loved war. Why did he love war? Well, part of it was when you go to war, and this was during the time, you know, with the Protestants versus the Catholics in Spain, and this is during the time of Francis Drake and the Spanish armada and the discoveries of new lands. And you gain your riches, by raiding Spanish ships and what have you, and the second husband, he loved that like, so he loved going to war. He wanted to be a hero and he was a good soldier, but an awful commander. And he died and left me with three kids. The first husband, when he died, left me with one child, and I was pregnant at the time, but obviously, he passed away. And you know, the stress I miscarried. But with the second husband now, he left me destitute with three children.

So here I am back in, the Elizabethan time, and you’re destitute, your husband’s gone, your children, what about your children? And I won’t get into that. That’s a story for another book. That’s going to come up with that particular lifetime.

A couple of years later, after his death, I married a third time. This man was also a soldier, but he was an Irish man. He did not like war. He fought on the side of the English, didn’t like some of what they did, and, we had a good marriage. We had two children after, and he helped to look after the other children that the second husband left. The first husband’s child, she had grown to the age where she got married. So here I was, a widow. I was a Protestant then, and then at the end, I converted to Catholicism. So what you have here is an example of when I speak about historical prejudices, grudges, and victimhood, where you see it makes no sense. Now, I was born a Protestant in a consequent lifetime. Well, how do I explain that? Am I going to be fighting against Protestants, or am I going to be fighting against Catholics?

Here I am. The masks. Those masks are male, Catholic. I was born in the next lifetime, female, Protestant, so the masks make no sense. And when we say we are fighting historical grudges, victimhood, and prejudices, it makes no sense either because, basically, war has no descendants.

Johnny Burke: It doesn’t, and we talked about that

Winnifred Davis: Yes, we did.

Johnny Burke: In the first installment.

Winnifred Davis: Before 1943, when I died as a 17-year-old in World War II, I was John Adams, and so there was the War of Revolution. I was not involved directly in it because I was too old to be in the trenches, if you want to put it that way. However, it was a necessary war to free the soon-to-be republic from tyranny. Consequently, when I became president, I did not agree to go to war on France’s side or enter that war because I preferred peace. Peace was first and foremost, even though France was very helpful to America during its fight against the British for its independence.

So I’ve had a lot of experience with war; what does it mean to be a child in conflict? What does it mean to have children who become fatherless? What does it mean to witness things in war and the suffering, especially of children, and then it makes no sense that we’re fighting over religion and whatever else because they’re just masks? So for me, that’s my obsession with war and especially the effects that war has on children.

Johnny Burke: It doesn’t seem like we, as a civilization, have learned our lessons about war. One of the first things I wanted to ask is going all the way back to Atlantis because I’ve always been curious about this: do you remember what type of weapons were used to wage the war between different factions or whoever was actually involved in the battle?

Winnifred Davis: What I remember, or in going back, what I saw were explosions, which would’ve been akin to what you might imagine a nuclear explosion, and then, of course, there were bombs. That’s what I can remember. I have not really delved into that aspect I suppose I will in the future, into, you know, like the weaponry and, and what have you. But there were bombs because of what I saw, you know, and the colors of those explosions.

Johnny Burke: Atlantis has a special place in our discussions and it’s going to be a marker for different discussions. I was always fascinated by that because the nuclear aspect and the technological aspect of that civilization come up a lot. There’s even, I believe an instance in a desert in India where researchers found this green glass that can only have been the product of nuclear fission or some kind of nuclear activity when there’s no history of any testing done in that area.

[Winnifred Davis: And then crystals would have been very important then as well. Very, very, very important. Yes.

Johnny Burke: The lasers apparently were made with crystals. That’s probably a discussion for another day, but I’ve always been curious. So you’ve had a lot of experience in war; it just seems to be repeating itself over and over again. No lessons seem to be learned. What are the things that you find that all of these incidents have in common?

Winnifred Davis: In terms of war? I believe, and as given by my guides, war, and as Cayce and others have said, it’s just always that basic struggle between affinity for the material, and those of the spirit. And what we have is a cravenness for power. And what I refer to, in part one, the Lucifer Syndrome, that’s all it’s all about. No matter what mask we use, whether it be religion, political persuasion, or language, it is always the cravenness for power.

Johnny Burke: All right.

Winnifred Davis: And so when will war end? War will end when each one of us eventually restores our soul so that we will recognize and know we are spiritual beings experiencing human life. We are here to expiate, advance, and restore our souls. So we can go back on the original journey, whatever that was. And that’s for another discussion. Then that’s when war will end, when each entity, each soul has restored that soul, that’s when more will end.

So we’ll always have wars, but can we mitigate them or reduce them? Yes, we can reduce the number of wars. It will never end, as I said, until such time when we learn to forgive. When we learn to forgive ourselves and others – unconditionally, that is . And when we also learn to love self and others and remember, doing unto others as we would have others do unto us. Love; I am my Brother’s Keeper. As long as we remember, we can help to reduce the number of wars. Because if you think about it when you have souls from the lower rung of the ladder of soul evolution who have tried to cheat karma, as we discussed before, and so they see a chance for them to come back and insert themselves into our historical grudges, prejudices, victimhood, and suffering. They insert themselves in those battles. If we learn to forgive, then they would have no space, no room to come back and claim their avenging, it’s in the memory of what your ancestors did to my ancestors.

Because when you look at each conflict, you’ll see for example, perpetrators becoming victims or people who have no skin in the game. Like for example, you will have perhaps people who are Jews now, who were Nazis in a past life. Or you can have Palestinians who were actually Jews or Nazis. So you have those. And when you consider that, where is your skin in that game? You have no skin in that game, so war has no descendant.

Johnny Burke: Question about the souls on the lower rung; you make it sound as if they’re in the spiritual realm, waiting for an event to insert themselves into, so they bring their grudges and their prejudices with them and their affinities for the material or their craving for power with them in the spiritual realm, and they wait to come back? That true?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, they don’t even bring their grudges with them; they’re just craving for power, and usually, they tend to come back when a society advances technologically and is comfortable. They tend to come back to avail themselves of the material comfort. They are the ones who believe that they can cheat karma, so they never reincarnate in their proper soul cycles. So they wait, and they wait. They have not had the chance and the experience to expiate their spiritual mistakes and, if we want to say, settle certain karmic debts so that they can learn enough. Eventually, they will, but it will take maybe eons. But then, in the spiritual world, time is not an element.

Johnny Burke: So they know when to come back. It’s almost as if they can see what’s going on here on Earth. Yeah. Okay. Good. That’s just one thing I wanted to clear up. Tell us about, speaking of souls, the children that have died in the wars that have come to you and others who are rescue souls like you are.

Winnifred Davis: Okay. Well, the children, in the past couple of years, came, and they were led by a little boy. He came in the

Johnny Burke: superhero suit.

Winnifred Davis: Superhero. He was leading these other children, who were wrapped in different flags. And we know that many wars are going on, especially a horrible war going on in the Sudan. I think it’s over 5 million who might be at risk, if not more, of famine and disease and displacement, which is just horrible. And the rapes and the massacres, burning villages, And the use of rape against children, men, women, the injuries. So here they are, so the different flags.
And you have the Rohingya, you have Myanmar, you have all these places, and it’s like there’s a war. It’s the war on children. And so they came; they needed help to get over to the other side, back into the spiritual realm.

Johnny Burke: To get to the light?

Winnifred Davis: To get to the light and, because they’re lost. You know, and when a bomb goes off and you know, one minute you’re playing. And the next minute, where am I? so they need help, and that’s part of my duty or task,

Johnny Burke: To help those souls.

Winnifred Davis: to help those. Children, along with my grandmother and others, the warriors of Pacific Persuasion and Justice, which are composed of the angels and archangels and the collective.

Johnny Burke: The collective, which we will talk about very shortly. Quick question about those souls that die a sudden and violent death: As you explained, you’re doing something one minute, then the next bomb goes off or something catastrophic, and you don’t know where you are. Is that fairly common?

Winnifred Davis: yes, that’s fairly common. You know where you’ll wander around, and, in our timeframe, some wander around for years if they have no guidance. Once death comes, we don’t feel any pain, right? So that in itself is some solace to know that once death begins to take hold, you don’t feel that pain. You don’t feel that pain as you’re transitioning from living

Johnny Burke: Will there be more rescue souls to help those souls that might be wandering for years?

Winnifred Davis: Of course, there are many rescue souls; there are some who are tasked with finding lost children,

Johnny Burke: good. All right.

Winnifred Davis: or children who’ve been stolen or what have you. There are some, you know, during wars and what have you. Yes.

Johnny Burke: I like that -the rescue souls. Very cool. Hopefully, some time in our civilization, there’ll be ads for people who want to train to rescue souls, or maybe they do that in the spiritual realm. You also mentioned the messages from the Warriors of Justice and the Pacific persuasion.

Winnifred Davis: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Tell us about that.

Winnifred Davis: I can’t say it as beautifully as they say it. So, if you don’t mind, I’ll read it quickly.

Johnny Burke: Sure. Go for it.

Winnifred Davis: Their message is that we know our creator is not a vengeful being, but a loving one. We know we can never fight on behalf of our creator, for our creator is omnipotent. We know it is the arrogance of fallen angels that we are to believe we can fight for our creator, that we know we were created equal as spirits with free will and a conscience to guide us. We know that each of us is responsible for our actions and the well-being of our souls and that we cannot pass the buck. We know that all of us in this earthly plane are fallen angels and that none is without blemish. We know we are spiritual beings experiencing human life. We know karma, the law of cause and effect, resulted from our spiritual mistakes when we strayed from our path, causing an imbalance in our souls. We know we are here in the earthly plane to expiate, advance, and restore our souls. We know our creator, our Father, has given us the vehicle that is reincarnation to restore our souls.

We know that we live many lives at different times in this earthly plane. We know that death facilitates the truth, which is reincarnation. We know that each of us, excluding none, shall succeed in restoring our soul. We know humility, redemptive guilt, unconditional forgiveness, and love of self, and our brothers will shorten the arduous and circuitous journey back to our destiny.

May we never try to flee our conscience so that we will always do the right thing. May we learn to walk a mile in our brothers’ shoes so that we can see the humanity in each other. May we respect each other’s differences and know that our creator has no chosen few. May we find comfort in the knowledge that each of us is slated for redemption, and none is excluded.

May we find solace in the knowledge that it is not a question of if, but one of when each of us shall return to our father. May we know that we are just tenants on this earth and take care of each other, the earth and all the creatures that dwell thereon. May we always adhere to the principles of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man doing unto others as we would have them do unto us: love. May we know what I do unto my brother, I do unto myself for I am my brother’s keeper. May the tiny shrouds of light forever illuminate our path through the darkness. May peace forever reside within us and between us. One divine universal love and that’s their message as they gave it to me.

Johnny Burke: That’s coming from the collective?

Winnifred Davis: That’s coming from the warriors of persuasion and justice,

Johnny Burke: Which is part of the collective. Right. Okay. Before I forget, one of the lessons for today, a practical one for anybody who’s listening or watching, there are no chosen few, which means speaking of masks, which you talk about a lot. Political figures who like to compare themselves to Jesus, and you know who you are, you’re a fake. Do you agree? Yeah. Okay, good. I don’t want to go too far down that rabbit hole, but

Winnifred Davis: No, not at all.

Johnny Burke: That needed to be said.

Winnifred Davis: One thing we could say is that we tend to add religion when we are dealing with politics to rile up more, add more power to whatever our beliefs are, and to say, yes, this is divine. And so what I speak is truth. There are no chosen few.

Johnny Burke: Anything but -there are no chosen few.

Winnifred Davis: No Chosen few.

Johnny Burke: This brings up another thing about where we are today. In 2024, you talk about how the world is going through a once-in-a-millennia transition. What exactly is that and what do we need to know?

Winnifred Davis: Okay, once in millennia, and of course, that’s the Latin plural for a millennium, which is a thousand years. So once in many thousands, thousands of years, the world goes into cycles. And so we are at the end. How long does one cycle last? I can’t say using our timeframe.

Johnny Burke: Heard it was 12,000 years. This is in the episode right before you.

Winnifred Davis: Oh, okay. Well, I’m not privy to that at this time. So it goes through cycles, and what we have is from what I’ve been given is that we started as civilized. Now, what is civilized? Civilization has nothing to do with technological advancement because you could be as technologically advanced as so many countries are now, but you have no civilization. It’s like greatness without civilization; there’s no humanity. Civilization is how we treat each other, our humanity to each other, and the people who are less fortunate in our society that involves civilization.

So once in a millennium means we started as civilized, and we devolved into uncivilized. And if we check and if we are to believe in our advent on earth, we came here as spiritual beings, you know, in full cognizance of who we are with the ability, to be above the forces that we have on earth. You know, you have things like telepathy. Once we got involved in the processes on earth, some of us became trapped, and then we became prisoners of our senses. The prisoners of sense of sight, of hearing, of taste, of smell, of feeling. So there you devolve. So that’s what’s happening. So you go from civilized, and we devolve. Then we have entered a period of transition where we are now returning to being civilized.

Meaning that we will know, more of us will know who we are- spiritual beings on earth, experiencing human life. More of us will have more love and forgiveness in our hearts. We will follow and listen to our consciences more. We will be able to do things that, spiritually, we were able to do when we first came on Earth. Telepathy, for example, is more conscious of the spiritual realm and understanding it. So that’s where we are entering now. So what we have going on now is this massive fighting. It just seems as if you’re pulled, like the forces of darkness and light. At the moment, it seems as if the forces of darkness are winning.

Johnny Burke: It does.

Winnifred Davis: So it is just like going back to Atlantis when they just went downhill, and that’s where most of us incurred much of our karmic debt.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Winnifred Davis: Yes.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned this before, how the struggles of Atlantis are actually playing out on a large scale now. And you also mentioned something about telepathy, which apparently, and I’ve heard this many, many times, people that have past life memories like you do, of the ancient civilizations like Atlantis and Lemuria, things like psychic ability, telepathy, were normal -everybody could do it. And what you’re saying now is that we’re moving back into a time when we will eventually be able to do that, among other things?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, that’s exactly what’s going on now. And, something of solace, the darkness will eventually recede, and the light will come back.

Johnny Burke: Bring on the light.

Winnifred Davis: As I say, it’s like having a sore or a wound and it will, scab over, but then it needs cleaning out.

Johnny Burke: Yeah.

Winnifred Davis: So you have to debride it. And so once you debride it, it will begin to heal properly. So that’s basically what’s going on. Also, it’s it just seems like, oh my God, how do we get out of all this muck in the world, and it’s like we are left in this ship and here, no one to guide or captain this ship and no shepherd to guide the flock of sheep. And, we see those pretenders and these latest wars are sort of like the dividing line. It’s like they came to expose the pretenders to what I call the throne of virtue.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Pretenders. Yeah. There you go.

Winnifred Davis: Yes, pretenders. And people that we see like, they were champions of human rights. Like most of our leaders in the West, we are champions of human rights. And they’re on the moral high ground, or so they believe, but it was all selective, as we see with the war in the Middle East, it was all selective. Some of us know that, but there are many, especially young people now, who are the future. They are the light, most of them. And they’re seeing this, and it’s like they’re lost. So it’s like there’s no one to stand up for justice, true justice.

So it’s sort of like letting the wheat and the tares grow until the time of harvest, and this is the harvest and the smoke blown away from the mirror. And so some of those children, it’s very difficult to say, but it is what it is. Some of them had just come in their brief time on earth, and this was their sacrifice. This is the mission that they decided in the spiritual world to come back and, yes, to become those shrouds of light, to illuminate the mirror, and to separate the wheat from the taresand to let us know you cannot look necessarily to others to guide your soul or to tell you., you have to listen to your own conscience. You are responsible for the well-being of your soul, not others.

Johnny Burke: Okay, this reminds me of something else. You believe when Tolkien described an army of the dead that helped in the Great War in middle Earth, your position is he wasn’t writing fiction. Can you explain that to us?

Winnifred Davis: No, maybe he might have thought he was writing fiction and maybe not. Yes, it does happen. And I’m going to just cite an example if it were if it is indeed true, and that is the example of the Abyssinian army in the sixth century that went into Mecca and was repulsed by birds. I do believe they say birds were throwing stones from the sky at them. So if it is to be believed, we have to query further, but in general, when you see the David and Goliath story, you know, when you see where the underdog just overcomes the super dog, it is very difficult to explain. That is when you know that the spiritual realm intercedes and puts a stop to it.

Johnny Burke: So you’ve actually experienced that in some of your past lives where you’ve seen instances?

Winnifred Davis: Yes. And even on a smaller scale, this I know from my work as a shaman. When you have egregious actions like someone who is very mean and nasty, unfair, causing suffering, sometimes spirits, they intercede, and they will indeed remove without prompting that individual who is causing needless grief and suffering to one who is undeserving,

Johnny Burke: Which means they call someone to be killed?

Winnifred Davis: Well, no, they’ll just, you know, it’s time to say goodbye to the world, so to speak.

Johnny Burke: Well, that’s death, isn’t it?

Winnifred Davis: It is.It could be death, could be sickness, or what have you. And these things do happen without prompting. So you can grieve those who have passed on and that’s the only way to get some justice there. That’s sort of like a defensive type of war, right?

[00:34:16] Johnny Burke: Most souls, you believe the time of our death is preordained. Some, for some people, there’s one point; in some, there are several. How did you discover that?

Winnifred Davis: My work as a shaman and clarity from the soul. The messages that I’m given by the keepers of the secret and the rest of the collective. For most people, when you die, that’s preordained. For some people, it is not. Death is determined normally. The length of our lives, so to speak, is determined by our karmic journey. Or the karmic journeys that we have decided in a given lifetime to undertake. And so once we finish that or those karmic journeys, then we expire.

Sometimes, the decisions that we make will determine whether we depart sooner or later. For example, you might have someone living, let’s say, in a poor neighborhood. You can choose to live a life of crime or the opposite. If you choose the life of crime, the chances are you’re going to have an early death. Whereas if you don’t, you might have a longer life. So there you have a decision, okay, as to whether you are going to depart early or later.

Some people have four different departure dates, for example, but there is a final one because, number one, the body cannot live forever, right? Then you have, for example, babies sometimes die early or stillbirth; maybe the body that we get to inhabit was imperfect, and so it could not sustain itself, and so that’s it. But there is a final departure date, even if you have different departure gates. There is a final one, the absolute final one. And mostly, the body will not live forever.

Johnny Burke: Right. But we wind up coming back again and again. It sounds like what you just described is almost like a spiritual airport terminal.

Winnifred Davis: Yes.

Johnny Burke: I couldn’t possibly add anything to that, so I think we will conclude the discussion today. Winifred, thanks again for coming back. Great information. In the meantime, can you remind us how our listeners can find you online?

Winnifred Davis: Okay, my website is www.naazimzinc.com.

#147 Winnifred Davis: A Continuation Of An Atlantean Karmic JourneyIn the 21st Century

November 11, 2023 by Johnny Burke

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#147 Winnifred Davis

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Winnifred Davis. She is a spiritual counselor, healer, psychic, medium and shaman. She’s also the author of several books on the Soul Its Journey and Reincarnation. And today we will discuss one of those books, Prophecy of the Homecoming of My Roman Soldier. A Venusian to Neptunian Karmic Journey. The book is about two souls who made a vow after their journey in Atlantis to reincarnate at this time to finish what they started in Atlantis. Winifred, welcome to the program.

Winnifred Davis: Oh, thank you for having me, John. How are you today?

Johnny Burke: Pretty good for a Thursday. And ready to dig i, to this title, Prophecy of the Homecoming of My Roman Soldier. But, before we get into that, I was curious because you position yourself as a medium and a shaman. So what came first? How did you find yourself on this path?

Winnifred Davis: From childhood I had many psychic experiences and, eventually, I became a shaman. I married my second husband, and he was an extraordinary, shaman in Jamaica. Legendary one, very famous one in Jamaica. They would call him an Obia man, which has a bad connotation, but as I know, it’s the intention that decides whether what you do is good or what you do is bad.

And so I married him because that was my soul contract. I just instinctively knew where I was going and I was a shaman in previous lifetimes, so I was just growing into what I used to do. And so while he didn’t teach me, he guided me. And so here I am,

Johnny Burke: So it sounds to me that your abilities of both being a medium and a shaman presented themselves pretty much at the same time.

Winnifred Davis: The difference between a psychic medium and a shaman, a shaman is a psychic medium plus they make changes. And I have a relative who does tarot cards and what she said to me, and I find that sums everything up. She says, you know, Winny, we do the cards, we read, but you make things happen. So a shaman makes things happen. They take it another level and make things happen. So that came after I met my second husband.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So now we know the difference between a shaman and a medium because they do similar things, don’t they?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, they do similar things, but the shaman makes things happen. For example, as a psychic medium, you can see where someone needs to lift their vibrations, so you can advise them, but you will not be able to help the individual lift the vibrations because sometimes they don’t know how to do it. You could say, you know, meditate or whatever, but sometimes you need more than that. You actually need to get other spirits in. To work with that individual and their spirits in order to lift those vibrations. We do exorcisms, psychic mediums do as well, but then sometimes they’re very, challenging, spirits that a psychic medium is not able to do, and not all shaman. It depends on the level of vibration of the ghost, the spirit, and the level of vibration of the shaman and the guides that he has working with him,

Johnny Burke: Okay, so it sounds to me like they have, an extra tool set as it were. It seems like the path is somewhat similar, but we also know that the path of the shaman goes back, what, 40,000 years if not longer?

Winnifred Davis: If not longer.

Johnny Burke: Right. Okay. So speaking of which, that path that you’re on, what have you learned about being a shaman, about the soul, and about reincarnation that you might not have otherwise discovered had you just, went along on the path of a psychic medium?

Winnifred Davis: Well in terms of reincarnation and if you want to say my specialty in writing about that. for me it’s the theoretical, aspect. and shamanism is the application of what you know and being in the spirit world, going back and forth, working with all kinds of spirits, gives me an insight as well. As I muddle through and as I get information with regards to reincarnation, the soul, it gives me a deeper understanding of what’s going on.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about the book. What inspired you to write about these two souls? and even before we do that, you had mentioned a soul contract earlier, which means there’s probably been some experience in the in-between space. Life in between lives. Is that true?

Winnifred Davis: Yes. Yes. There has been contact,

Johnny Burke: Right. was this something that you learned very early on, and it was just so clear to you that you never even questioned it, or did someone teach you about these things?

Winnifred Davis: I had my guides and what I call the collective, which would be the archangels, angels, the brotherhood, evangelists, and a whole host of spirits of higher echelons. And they’re the ones who inform me of most of what I know. And at the same time I had two very good friends. They were psychic mediums. One was a past life reader. He was extremely accurate. He’s passed on, he was my confidant as well. And so he helped there. So I got confirmations like I was getting information about my past life. He would confirm without prompting. he would confirm exactly what I was getting.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So you already had knowledge of past lives and reincarnation, of your own past lives. Is that the type of thing that inspired you to write about past lives and reincarnation, and specifically about this book that we’re about to discuss?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, that helped to inspire me, but also, it was information from the higher echelons and my guides. So I was just led into that path. Now it’s the time and when I really got into it, the whole topic of reincarnation was about 1997. I had this question of justice and duty, and it had been going on for decades. Like, I just couldn’t understand why I was so obsessed with duty and justice. So I called the A.R.E. And asked them for a therapist, a regression therapist who would take me back. And I got one in Canada, close to where I was living.

So went to his He had a bookstore. And as I went in, the words came out of my mouth. I looked at him and I said, “oh, you had a past life in China”. And he smiled. And here I was, I didn’t know how to read past lives. And he said “yes as a matter of fact, that was my happiest lifetime. ” And so he took me downstairs and then I was brought back to Atlantis, in something that looked like a spaceship. And while I was in this ship, I was a tall, slim man with a ponytail. And this spaceship, or the vessel craft looked like what you would see on Star Trek. And beside me was a gentleman with flaming red hair and another entity, blonde with green eyes, you know, very green eyes. And I was, going back and forth, pacing back and forth, and they were telling me “No.” and other elders were telling me, “No, no, you can’t take them. They’re not one of us. “You know, like they’re beneath us. And I say, “why not? We have space. We have to leave. “And so I didn’t follow my conscience, I left. You know, the craft took off, exploded, and then I landed somewhere in Scandinavia And I guess that’s why I was obsessed and have been with justice and duty and duty to conscience.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned ARE a moment ago. Can you tell our listeners exactly what that is?

Winnifred Davis: Okay. It’s connected with Edgar Cayce, all his writings and readings. an elderly friend who many years ago had mentioned it and I recalled back in 97, and that’s when I called, looked them up, I Googled them, and then I called.

Johnny Burke: now. Back to the spaceship. I’m dying to know this. How long ago in Earth years do you suppose that was?

Winnifred Davis: I have no idea. No idea. And I have not asked or queried, but it was the last period of Atlantis. I know it was the last period of Atlantis, and I know some people might say it might be 17,000 years or 10,000 years. but I have not asked that question. I suppose in the future I will ask that of my guides.

Johnny Burke: I’m sure that many of us, myself, definitely included, would like to know, because I’ve heard different estimations; could be 10,000. I’ve heard people say it’s a hundred thousand years ago or even, a million years ago. well before our recorded time. So these two souls in the book, who are they and why is it that they’re reunion in present day is imminent? Like it can’t be avoided?

Winnifred Davis: Okay. They were in the second period of Atlantis, and they were king and queen in that kingdom what we now know as Italy. the southern parts of what we now call France along the Mediterranean and some of the islands. Their names were Mummar, King Mummar, and the Queen her name was Risi. He was 26 years old. She was 19. And they were considered like demigods, they came to make a good and just polity. They were very well versed in architecture, agriculture, in all fields. And the reign was about seven years.

They had, a priesthood and the high priest, he took charge of the young king, you know, up until he came of age. Now, he was not pleased that the queen, she had the same amount of power as her husband because they were very close. They often communicated by telepathy. And so, a lot of conspiracy started going on. So the high priest, he conspired with some neighboring kingdoms, and they overthrew the king and queen. So they didn’t get to finish what they came to do, which was to build a good polity for the citizens of their kingdom. They were exiled. The queen was exiled with the youngest son to what we now know as Crete, and the king was exiled to what we now westward to what we now know as Morocco with the older son.

She died 30 years after exile, and he died 40 years after exile. When they went back into the Spirit world, life review and whatever, they made a vow that they would come back in this particular moment in time because this is a very important moment in time. And they would continue what they were doing in Atlantis, they would finish that work. They’re rescue souls. That’s how they first came to earth as rescue souls.

We know rescue souls in everyday life. These are the people that we just automatically, whether we know them or not, we just go to them if we have a problem. And start telling them our problems. Rescue souls will help whenever you ask them for help, they never refuse. And if they see you need help, they won’t ask. They will help you. They also operate on the spiritual plane, or should I say in the astral plane, where sometimes people that they don’t know in this lifetime , when they’re about to die, wherever those people might be in different corners of the earth, they will come in the spirit and the rescue soul will travel the astral plane and they will get the message they’re going or sometimes they need help to cross over. They need to be consoled to cross over. I, for example, I’m a rescue soul, so I have different experiences with that or people I might have seen them once ,clients of mine, might not have heard from them for like 10 years, and all of a sudden I get a call, you know, they’re in the hospital and they just need me to come in and speak with them, and then they go, or sometimes they’re in a coma.

The one case I had; the gentleman was in a coma. I was very close with him, and I was in Jamaica at the time. His family waited until I came back, but he was in the hospital for about 14 days. There was no reaction from him and they wanted to take him off the respirator. They waited until I came. I went into the hospital and how I got in, he was in I C U. That’s another phenomenon. And I went in, and I spoke with him and at the same time, he made a gesture with his hand and the nurse came in and she was shocked. And the next day he passed on.

Johnny Burke: These two entities, what was the woman’s name again?

Winnifred Davis: Her name was Risi.

Johnny Burke: Can you spell that?

Winnifred Davis: R I SI. That’s how I pronounce it. And he was a Mummar.

Johnny Burke: Mummar. And these two were rescue souls, why is it important that they have to come back now 2023 or 2022?

Winnifred Davis: These two souls, and it’s worth noting they have had at least 28 lifetimes together shared lifetimes. That is an awful lot of lifetimes and as many as 43 if not more. So they’re very close. They have an abiding love, and as rescue souls, they want to help. War cut short their reign; war, greed, betrayal. And so now a war that has brought them back here because a lot of souls from Atlantis are back here and you find a lot of tyrants around. And so a lot of karmic debt is being, settled being paid and, so that’s why they’ve come back. Both are now in versions of exile, so it’s sort of like unbreaking the broken egg.

Johnny Burke: Are you in contact with them?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, I am one entity does not know. The other entity is in the know, and it was prophesied to her because she’s a psychic medium herself, but it was prophesied to her by some other psychic mediums that this would happen,

Johnny Burke: Great. So you’re saying that they had to come back now because there is a war.Is this like a literal war that’s about to happen or is it a war that’s already happening?

Winnifred Davis: It’s a war that’s already happening. so they’ve come backin this time because there are many wars happening right now. Many, many wars are happening, and so they have come back now to teach some of what we are speaking about here. You know, people are looking because religious institutions are not giving them what they want, so they’re here to make people know who we are, you know, spiritual beings experiencing human life and different things connected with reincarnation to help us bring our souls back into equilibrium and how to do it. They will do a lot of charity work. they will heal. She does healing. They will be writing the continuation of their story together. He doesn’t know it yet because he’s not a writer.He’ll be shocked, he’ll be writing, and they will teach and so they will do so much good that even they cannot imagine how many people’s lives they will impact.

The second part of their journey, what I just described, is the Neptunian journey. And the second part of the Neptunian journey is they will serve as living proof testament to the truth that is reincarnation and its facts. So the seven lifetimes that they shared that are relevant to this particular karmic journey, those are mentioned in the book, and so you’ll have, for example, the masks from the Lucifer Syndrome that, our culture, our race, our gender, all those things are masks behind which hides the Lucifer Syndrome. And those masks do not travel with you from lifetime to lifetime. So they have lived in Gujarat, in India. They have lived in Lemuria. the male entity, he’s been female in Lemuria. They’ve lived in France, what we now know as France, England. They’ve been different religions. They’ve had different vocations.

So they will be living proof that yes, it does exist. The fact that the book is written before they reunite is also testament to the fact that you can use the akashic records and predict, because that’s how we predict things by going into the akashic records and a whole lot of other things, facts of reincarnation that they will be testament to.

Johnny Burke: Now you also mentioned Lemuria, which I’ve heard about several times. Can you give us a very brief description for those of us who may not have heard about it?

Winnifred Davis: Well, for me Lemuria and Mu are the same thing, and it was located in the Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean around that area. And it would be older than Atlantis. Atlantis, was a colony of Mu. That would be, according to what we know so far, the oldest, it’s not lost. There’s a book called The Lost Continent of Mu, but it’s not lost. Swallowed up maybe by the ocean or the seas, but it’s not lost.

Johnny Burke: It’s not lost. Now these two entities, Mummar and Risi, I believe.

Winnifred Davis: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Has their journey or their experience shed any light on what many have described as the fall of Atlantis?

Winnifred Davis: No, it has not. But I would imagine when they do reunite such questions they might write about, but the fall of Atlantis, we know part of it is, because of man’s corruption, right? And the things that we do.

Johnny Burke: I don’t remember that. Although I’ve had several guest speakers who’ve been on the show before that have basically said we were all in Atlantis at one [00:20:00] time or another because Atlantis had several periods. It wasn’t just one. The most common version I’ve heard is that corruption and the greed, took place and the consciousness if you could measure. It really just kind of went into what, a stock market, watcher would call a bear market. It just fell off a cliff.

Winnifred Davis: If you’re having corruption and greed, what comes after that that would lead you to wars? you know, not thinking about your fellow human being or your brother. You might make bombs, and everything flows from that. right? Which is what I call the Lucifer Syndrome.That selfishness, the craving for power. And then you hide behind those masks you know, you separate, and you segregate.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Now since we are on the subject and, Atlantis is, and Lemuria as well, are very fascinating subjects. Your direct experience, your past lives in Atlantis, What are the most important things that you can remember or the lessons that you learned or that we can learn?

Winnifred Davis: Well, for example, the one with justice your duty is to your conscience because when we were created, we were created with a free will as spirits, equal as spirits and the conscience to guide. And that conscience is what takes you back. That links you to the creator, and your duty is to that conscience. You can’t pass the buck. That’s what makes each of us responsible for the wellbeing of our soul because we can’t say it’s the devil; that’s a creation. There’s no devil. We can’t blame what we do on our general. My general made me do it, you are responsible for the wellbeing of your soul because you have that conscience to guide you.

Johnny Burke: Good point about the devil. Although I’ve heard different versions of that; people that have had experiences that talk about demons and creatures that do not have our best interests at heart.

Winnifred Davis: Yes. Okay. Yes, you do. You do have spirits and you have different spirits of different vibrations so on the lower level like if you are thinking negatively, you are attracting these spirits and misery loves company, right ?So you think, and they come and so the more negative you become, it’s the more of them that come in because it’s sort of like honey to a bear, right? You know that negative thinking. So Yes, they’re demons, but they’re not the devil as we know Lucifer.

which I don’t agree with that, but, even the demons eventually will regain equilibrium. It’s just a matter of when.

Johnny Burke: I’m curious about this because it’s a very tricky subject to say the least. I’ve heard a lot about duality, and these are people that have been in the in-between space and have seen the life reviews and, the Council of 12 and the soul family and all their different past lives. They talk about duality a lot, and one of the takeaways seems to be, and I’ve heard several people actually say this, is that there is no good and no bad. It’s all experience. And sometimes we need bad experiences.

In other words, we need to know what it feels like to be a murderer, as much as we need to know what it feels like to be the victim. Does that have anything to do with demons or any creatures like that where it’s their desire for experience, or is it just because they take the easy way out and they’re selfish and they don’t care about anybody else?

Winnifred Davis: According to the information that I have gotten from my guides and the collective, duality came into being when we sinned. When we came to earth, according to what Cayce says, we were created equal as spirits and with our free will, we saw the processes going on on earth. And so we decided to get involved.

In Jamaica, they have a saying that dance fast, mash it up. In other words, it’s okay to look. But once you get involved, that’s where the problem begins. And so that’s where the first sin is, and I’ll just briefly explain what a sin is. So we committed a spiritual mistake because we should not, that was not our destiny. We rebelled against our destiny. Then there an imbalance was created in the soul. And that imbalance has led to duality. So it’s, you cannot know good. Unless you know bad and you cannot know virtue unless you know vice. Having said that, you have like this journey back to equilibrium, which is like a ladder, right? And you’re going up that ladder. So I wouldn’t say, it’s the experience that we need to know. I wouldn’t explain it that way.

Johnny Burke: So for the layman, for the person that’s just trying to really understand good and evil and duality, what’s the simplest way to actually explain it?

Winnifred Davis: Duality, it’s good and evil. Good is the permanent state of the soul. Evil, and whatever term we want to use came about with the mistakes that we made, the spiritual mistakes that we committed when we rebelled against our destiny and became fallen angels. So that’s how we would, would term it,but it’s not a permanent state.

Johnny Burke: It’s not a permanent state. So a lot of what you’re talking about is there are definitely parallels in religious texts like the Bible for instance. How do we know, or how do you know that this is absolute truth? For someone who has not had the intuitive experience and you know, they go to church or they go to temple or wherever they go to worship and they’re struggling with the idea of good and evil, right? How do you explain that to them, where it actually starts to make sense where they know this isn’t a fallacy or a fantasy or a superstition, because we all know that the Bible has several inaccuracies and that’s putting it mildly,

Winnifred Davis: Oh, no, no, no. It has, quite a bit. Let us consider the principle of the fatherhood of God, brotherhood of man doing unto others as we would have others do unto us. That’s the one principle you need to know. So anything that contravenes that is what you might say is bad or evil because you are not doing good for your brother, you are not respecting the fatherhood of God. And respecting the fatherhood of God, you have to respect the brotherhood of man. That’s how you pay, respect to the creator by what we do with each other.

Johnny Burke: okay, who is the creator? Is the creator a person, an entity? Is it a thing? Is it consciousness? I know it’s not an easy question, but what exactly is it?

Winnifred Davis: We’re using all these terms so doesn’t matter whether we say it’s a being, we know that it’s not a human. Let us just say being, because we don’t know what being is, right? consciousness being could be consciousness. So it’s just terminology. And I don’t like to get bogged down in terminology because that’s what makes problems, like when there’s just too much dogma.

Usually you find the truth in simplicity when you have something with a whole lot of dogma so complex and lies develop and hide in the webs of complexity. So, consciousness, being, entity, we just know it’s the creator. Doesn’t matter what name we give it. And of course the creator would have created us.

He would be, he or she or they would be omnipotent. Sort of like when you say you’re going to fight for God; you can’t fight for God, how can you?that’s arrogance in itself. You understand what I mean? So, you know, it’s just being content, whatever terminology we want to use. One day in the future I will ask that question and perhaps the keeper of the secrets will choose to give us the answer.

Johnny Burke: Now the keeper of the secrets that you just mentioned, is this a spirit guide or some type of entity that is maybe related to an angel?

Winnifred Davis: Yes. It’s an archangel. Yes.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Good.

Winnifred Davis: Of the secret. Yes.

Johnny Burke: I like that. I think a lot of people that have direct experience with what we call the unseen world, or the non-physical world will talk about a love for Jesus and other ascended masters as well because there’s actually quite a few of them. And they do talk about angels and archangels. Michael, that’s one we hear about, quite a bit. It’s really interesting that they’re the same people that will openly admit that the Bible is rife with error and, someone’s, objectives and, agendas, which I think is really, really interesting. So, let’s recap here. You learned a lot from your past lives and reincarnation and the two people, the characters in your book are based on real beings. It’s not a fiction,

Winnifred Davis: No, it’s not fiction. This is real

Johnny Burke: It’s not a fiction. Okay, good. As part of their mission, they’re going to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that reincarnation and the whole cycle, birth, death in between space, healing space, casting our next lives as if it’s a movie, they’re going to basically prove that to us?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, they will be living proof that their existence [00:30:00] and their past lives. And seven of them that are revealed in the book that are to this Venusian Neptunian karmic journey will be proof. it’s proving the whole thing, testament, of soul cycle, for example. The fact that you have to as well fulfill and your self- soul contract before you can go on to honor a bigger contract. And so both entities are now honoring their self-soul contract because that’s the only way they can reunite. And only after they have done that, will that happen.

Johnny Burke: I am going to go out on a limb here, and I know this is going to be a very big ask, but since you are in contact with both of these entities-

Winnifred Davis: I’m in contact with one.

Johnny Burke: With one.

Winnifred Davis: The one in the know

Johnny Burke: is that Mummar? or is that Risi?

Winnifred Davis: That’s Risi

Johnny Burke: Okay. What are the chances that we can have Risi actually come on the show here?

Winnifred Davis: When she reunites with Mummar.

Winnifred Davis: Then they will tell their own story and. You will be one of the first, if not the first,

Johnny Burke: Have to be the first.

Winnifred Davis: Yes. You will be the first to hear, yes. Yes, exactly. To hear their story

Johnny Burke: By the way, I think I need to bring this up for those, people that do ask from time to time “Where did you get the name for the podcast? “It was actually a name of a synth pop group, a musical group in Los Angeles about 2008. But for some reason I was always really drawn to the name, so I kept it. And it’s interesting that I’ve had some people talk about, like you just mentioned, a karmic Venusian to Neptunian journey.

Winnifred Davis: It’s synchronicity and here I am.

Johnny Burke: I just got lucky with the name. That’s really all that means. I don’t have any special insight. I think we all know that. But, at the same time, I’m curious; what exactly is a Venusian to Neptunian karmic journey? What does that exactly mean?

Winnifred Davis: Okay. A Venusian Karmic journey would be between two individuals, on a karmic journey. So it could be romantic love, it could be in business, it could be in the arts and what have you. You know, Venus, Aphrodite, it’s all about love and getting along .

The next level to that is Neptunian. Now, Neptunian is not just a journey or relationship between two people. It’s the relationship with the world. And so in a Neptunian karmic journey, you know, some people would say it’s, it’s very, like, very quixotic or it’s megalomanic, or narcissistic because it sounds so highfalutin, it’s not real. But this is real because they could not have made that vow with the guidance of their guides and the higher echelons if it were not possible to do.

So on the flip side of that, because Neptunian journeys could end up being disillusioned and what have you. But with this journey, the Neptunian is divine love. Loving your brother, helping self-help. They are rescue souls that’s in their, should we say, in their DNA. So that’s what they know. They can’t help it. That’s what they’re here for. Giving people agency. So being testament to the facts of reincarnation and the mere fact that they’re here and they’re able to tell their story. That is one side.

And then all the other facts, they will have to deal with some of their adversaries from Atlantis. And they have come back. The male entity has to deal with them. The female entity had to deal with them because they believed they could cheat karma. So, they have not reincarnated in their proper soul cycle. So they have not learned enough. So they are still with all this animosity and this hate, not admitting, for example, that they have done something wrong. The one entity, this entity was the father of the male entity in one lifetime. And this was in Roman Britannia.

In Roman Britannia, the male entity was a Roman soldier known as Petronius. The female was a Celtic shaman or high priestess. Her name was Gwenffrewi. And he was the father to the Roman soldier. I. And again in Stanford, and that’s not Stanford, Connecticut, that’s Stanford Lincolnshire in England. He was the father of the female entity, Ruth. And he prevented the marriage between the two entities. And so that particular entity has now come back in this lifetime, but they have since passed and they are also helping to put the two entities together. The female entity has channeled when she channels and goes back, that entity has popped in, and asked for forgiveness. And so, you have those from Atlantis who have not asked for forgiveness; they still continue on death, it doesn’t make everyone wise, and here you have another entity who regrets what they did.

Johnny Burke: For those people who have genuine remorse for the things they did that were obviously not good. Are they more apt to climb up the spiritual ladder as it were? to get closer to being a light being than those who don’t admit or do not want to admit their mistakes?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, they are because you now get humility, forgiveness and love. And that’s redemptive guilt. So you have humility, and humility opens the door to learning. When we are humble, we say, teach me. I want to learn. Forgive me, I made a mistake. And we try to institute correct actions to correct incorrect actions. Sometimes, you might slip up, cut yourself some slack, try again, and so you learn to forgive yourself, and that’s very important. And forgive others, unconditional forgiveness. And you learn to love yourself. And you have to love yourself in order to create the space to love others and unconditionally love others.

And so you can respect the difference of opinion and belief of others. Respect, not tolerate, respect. As long as those opinions do not contravene the principle of the fatherhood of God, brotherhood of man, doing unto others as we would have others do unto us. Love one divine universal love. On the other hand, you have judgment that keeps us down the ladder because judgment closes the door to learning.

When we judge, we say, well, we know better. My way is the best way. And so what do we do? We tolerate and by tolerating, you say, oh, well my idea is better, And so we use destructive guilt there. Because we are not gonna apologize. And if anyone apologizes to us, it’s conditional forgiveness. And we use that destructive guilt as the church does sometimes our parents to control and usurp the free will of others. and we conditionally love people. I love you but- that keeps you down. Humility and forgiveness are a liberating force that gives the soul the wings to fly and be free up the ladder to equilibrium.

Johnny Burke: I think we’re gonna stop right there because the next question would be normally, is there anything else we should know? But I think

Winnifred Davis: It’s, a lot

Johnny Burke: Yeah, it’s a lot. And I think we will have another conversation, on these matters to be continued. Winifred, thanks so much for joining us today. very, very good information, and I think a lot of us are already looking forward to the part two. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Winnifred Davis: Okay. My website is https://naazimainc.com/

#125 Toni Reilly: Reincarnation and Life Between Lives

June 10, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Reincarnation, Life Between Lives

#drtonireiily, #lifebetweenlives, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #reincarnation

Johnny Burke: Welcome closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Tony Reilly,(@tonireilly) She is a soul life coach, an author, and one of Australia’s most sought after past life regression specialists. Her soul life coaching program represents the next step in the evolution in past life regression, and her goal is to ultimately change the face of psychology. Toni, welcome to the program.

Toni Reilly: Morning, Johnny. Thank you for having me.

Johnny Burke: It is morning where you are, isn’t it? I keep forgetting that. I’m in Florida and you’re in Australia.

Toni Reilly: We

on the opposite. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: hence the Sunday night recording. Excellent. Okay, cool. So you’re a hypnotherapist and a coach. how did you segue into past lives and reincarnation?

Toni Reilly: my life was very ordinary and mainstream up until about my mid-thirties, and at that stage I became intrigued about intuition. My own intuition was the first time I realized that I had it or it was a thing for me. And in the process of trying to develop that, I started to meditate. And I didn’t know that normal people meditated. I thought monks meditated.

So in meditation I realized I had all of these clair senses and they worked and they were brilliant. The lady who was teaching me to meditate told me to read Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss. When I read that book, I read it in one go and thought to myself. This is what I’m here to do. It was a revelation; I hadn’t had anything to do with past lives before reading that book. From there it was a bit of a process to quickly get it happening and do something with it.

Johnny Burke: That book was or is a life changer, a game changer for many people, and his signature has been felt throughout that industry, and on this podcast, there’s been several people that were trained by Brian Weiss .And I read the book, and it was pretty incredible, to say the least. So that makes sense. What is a Soul Life coach?

Toni Reilly: A soul life coach– they’re more a therapist actually, it’s someone who’s trained to go deeper than the story that we tell as people because we, we usually want coaching because we need some help or we’ve got a problem. So what we do as a soul life coach is go beyond. The story and help that person understand themselves and why they feel the way that they do go to an emotional level, and if that’s really for this day stuff.

But if there are issues that can help boost people’s esteem or confidence, or help them relieve themselves of fear or a phobia, then we can delve into the past lives or even go beyond to help them discover their purpose So that’s really the difference. We, we consider the soul

Johnny Burke: I know that you also wrote a book called, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. But I think you just hinted about going beyond the past life. Would that be the life between lives space? and

Toni Reilly: And even beyond that

Johnny Burke: I just opened up a pandora’s Box.

Toni Reilly: You did. Even beyond that, the between, if I would just dumb it down, the between life space is where there’s information about either the past lives you’re leading or the current life that you’re leading. So it’s almost like a bit of a space where humans or people can go and interact and get some relief messages, some guidance for themselves. Whereas there’s even beyond that where it’s really, dare I say nothing. The most beautiful nothing where we’re all one. And this is this place where people are always talking about, ‘oh, we’re all one.’ But it’s there. You can feel it and can visit there. They don’t let you stay there long. It’ll usually be you’ve got to go back now. So, yeah, different spaces to go and get answers from.

Johnny Burke: What I’ve been told by many practitioners like yourself is that it is a place where soul contracts take place. Soul family members are discovered, oh. And one of my favorites, the life review, which really almost makes my brain hurt to think about these things, but, it almost seems too good to be true. Is that me or have you heard that before?

Toni Reilly: I think it does seem too good to be true. It’s almost something that you must experience to appreciate. That it’s true. It feels true when you do this, when you go there, when you visit there. It can be a hard concept to fathom, but all of the things, thinking for a start is a human thing. It only happens here in this body. So once we are relieved of the body and we’re in soul energy, or we’re visiting because we’re in between lives or beyond, then we don’t have. The brain or the thoughts to deal with. We don’t have hierarchy; we don’t have time. Nothing of our human existence, and most of all, we don’t have emotion.
That’s why it’s just this amazing feeling there. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: That’s incredible. Now in this space, lots of questions that usually come up when people start talking about past life regression and then the in between life space and then obviously the soul contracts, soul family members as I mentioned before. In these sessions, is it true that we actually choose what period we’re going to reincarnate into a certain period?

Toni Reilly: I honestly can’t say that for sure because the work that I do is for people to feel better now in this life yes, we go back to past lives to help them understand now as well. But when we go in between, they’re usually, they’re asking about now. So the answers that they get in my sessions are for now.
So whether they chose to come into this time zone, or there’s another era,

I should say, I’m not sure because always I’m dealing with this life or predominantly everything’s leading back to what’s going on now and why.

Johnny Burke: the whole purpose of regression therapy, as described in Many Lives, Many Masters was there was a female patient that had some kind of an issue. And in this case, the practitioner was just trying to find the cause, and the origin of the problem. Correct?

Toni Reilly: Yes, she had many symptoms.

Johnny Burke: She had many symptoms, but what he did not count on being taken back to a life that took place what was it, 3000 years ago? That’s how he discovered it.

Toni Reilly: What does happen, Johnny though, in regression is they don’t go linear. Let’s say someone’s dealing with let’s say, anxiety for just pulling something out of the air. They might go back to a caveman time, and then if they go to another life, it might be in the sixties. So there’s no, there’s no linear time when they’re recalling them. They go to where there’s something that’s happened that makes sense of what’s going on now. It’s very cool.

Johnny Burke: Almost sounds like a science fiction movie. And also speaking of movies, I’ve heard many, many times, again, from practitioners and experiencers, that planning of the next incarnation amongst several soul family members, I imagine it’s like casting a play or a movie.

Toni Reilly: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Is that your experience or that of your clients?

Toni Reilly: Yes, It, is like casting a film, it really is. And also something I’ve discovered from all 20 years of working with this is everything is destined. Everything is planned. Every little detail, I think people get annoyed about it and they’re like, ‘oh, you know, its allowing, side stepping and not taking responsibility. ‘But actually what it does is it helps you become at ease with everything that happens and be at more at peace especially when obviously we’re really only concerned when terrible things happen or things that make us feel bad, but you get into this more philosophical mindset of, oh, well, it was meant to be. So why? And start looking for why instead of feeling so victimized by our lives and our circumstances. It’s extraordinary. And I think this is something also that people discover when they do regression or go beyond that, life is planned, and we are to be with certain people or certain souls

Johnny Burke: Everything happens for a reason.

Toni Reilly: It does happen for a reason. Yeah, and often it’s not until hindsight that people are able to fathom, ‘ oh, I get why that happened. ‘And then of course in the moment it’s also not beneficial to tell someone that in the moment when they’re going through something because they have to reach that understanding themselves. Otherwise you’re poking a bee if you like. But yeah, it all turns out,

Johnny Burke: That means that they are on their path and to interrupt them on their path, you’re not really doing the good that you think that you might be
doing.

Toni Reilly: That’s right, yes.

Johnny Burke I think it’s amazing that no matter who I talk to, who has real credible experience in this space, in the L B L space , the accounts, the details are a little bit different, but the, the structure, the hierarchy, the way how things happen is almost identical. It’s not that I’m in a rush to get there, but I don’t know. It seems pretty, seems like it’s a lot of fun to me,

Toni Reilly: Oh, Johnny, that means if you have not done an L B L yourself, we must do one.

Johnny Burke: That might be a discussion for another day, but yeah, I get that. You’re not the first person to bring that up. When I do the interviews, someone will say, a guest speaker will say, ‘so, Johnny, when are you going to do this?’ and I invariably will respond. ‘Oh, I’m going to get around to it at some point.’

I don’t want to make this about me. It’s about the speaker. But that’s a fair point. Your book, Awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here. Tell us a little bit about that. I would imagine this work had a lot to do with inspiring that work.

Toni Reilly: It did. It did because as I started to do this work, it was a culmination. At the same time, I became so aware of my own stuff and the two of these things together, working with people and also becoming really aware, self-aware of myself, made me realize that absolutely everything in life was quite simple, really. And that one person’s life is easy to outline as to why, why we have these parents? Why did we go to that school? Why do we go to 20 schools? just every little detail has a purpose.

This is what I tried to do when I wrote The Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here, was to just outline the simplicities in life that are fundamental to an individual’s life and how it plays out. So that was what I tried to portray because also I felt that people have this idea that the purpose of life is something different to what it is. It’s very simple, really. The purpose of life is every moment of every day. That’s what I tried to portray in that book.

I did some things, I met somebody towards the end of my marriage. People didn’t talk about these things that happen. But when you work in therapy with people, it happens all the time. And we are quiet about relationships and relating to people, which is a massive part of the purpose of life and judging it from a moral perspective, but really it doesn’t matter because all it does is make people hide what they’re doing.

It’s still all going on because we’re here having these experiences and we’re meant to encounter this person or that person. So I tried to be very honest with what I had done and what I had experienced. I’ll umbrella it with love at first sight, which is this irresistible pull when you come across somebody in your park. But this happens not just for love, it happens for all sorts of things.
So the book was generally about I’m going to call myself an everyday life and how it transpires. Of course, everyone doesn’t get into past lives, but still,

Johnny Burke: A simple answer to what is the purpose of life and why we’re here. It’s pretty much just to learn because as you just mentioned before, everything has a purpose. Every event. And I believe it’s for all of us to learn, not just me, the soul group, even all the bad stuff.

Toni Reilly: I feel like when I first started, it was very we’re here to learn what are we learning this time? But what I also discovered was it was less about learning in terms of we’re paying back, or we didn’t learn it last time. We’re going to learn it next time. I found that that’s not really how it works and that it was easier to call it, we’re here for an experience. I think people also get wound up in, ‘have I learned what I was supposed to? ‘We all do the things mapped out, and we’re going to have our experiences and we will learn. Everybody learns through life. We grow, we evolve. It’s a cycle of life. But I feel like when we are learning, people get this idea that they could fail. But we can’t fail. We’re all going to go through our process just as it was planned or pre-planned, pre outlined, and it will turn out that we experience exactly what we were meant to.

Johnny Burke: By saying that everything is planned, there are several people, well, probably millions, that really have a problem with that, especially when bad things happen. Right. But you’re saying. And not just you, by the way, that bad things happen- some of them are actually planned, even like the horrible things because we are apparently supposed to learn from them. Right? Okay.
: So self-awareness, in your work is very important. I believe your quote says “self-awareness is the ultimate activism.”

Toni Reilly: Yes. yes. Self-awareness, I feelis the way that we can change the world because if we can be aware of ourselves and what we’re doing and what affects us, we then become naturally tolerant of other people who maybe aren’t aware of what they’re doing or why. So somehow, and you know, the result of self-awareness really is calmness.? A calmness. It’s peace, I suppose. But this calmness that, Where you don’t feel like you need to get all involved in, in what’s going on with other people or even within the world because if you take care of yourself and what you are putting out there, it ripple effects out and good keeps happening or people are growing from their experiences and not getting so involved in outwardly not looking at themselves, which is what I feel activism is. It’s like, whoa, you probably need to sort your own stuff out first, before dictating to other people what’s right or wrong. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Do you feel that knowing what you know now that everything is planned for purpose for us to learn evolve. Is it a waste of time and energy to judge anyone where it’s actually easier to make the choice that they are exactly where they need to be, like everybody, and it’s a waste of time for me to judge them?. So I’m not going to interfere. I’m just going to say they are where they are, whether I like them or not, whether they irritate me or not. Do you agree?

Toni Reilly: Yes, yes, I do agree, but I think we are still people here and judgment is also part of the human experience, and we do need it to some extent, to survive as a person because we need to be discerning. But I think judging people, it’s probably no matter how self-aware you get, I think there’s always still going to be at least a little bit of judgment because people are so different to ourselves and it, it can be confronting. I guess what would happen is, It’s for less time. And you always come back to, ‘well, they’re doing their thing and they are so don’t get yourself all worked up about it.

Johnny Burke: Right. Discernment is absolutely necessary. You’re right, right. But when I say judging someone in a negative way without knowing anything about this person, to me that’s just a waste of energy really.

Toni Reilly: I feel like that is a waste of energy. I do think that is the piece that you, come to where why would you Yeah. And I guess that’s kind of nasty judgment, isn’t it? It happens quite a bit, but certainly once the awareness kicks in Yeah. that all just filters away.

Johnny Burke: That reminds me of something else-you also talk about, Gen Z as being different.

Toni Reilly: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Tell us what that means for us and because that’s relevant to this time period we in right now.

Toni Reilly: Yes, it is. So this is also part of the work that I did, is I developed a part of the self-awareness work is I developed a platform based on numerology. I call it life map. Because of that, what I know is a certain energy. The energy of the numbers from our birthdate. Of course it goes deeper, but based on just the birthdate, it determines what our character and our personality is going to be, and it determines the parts of ourselves that we cannot change.

We could try, but we cannot change who we are inherently at the core. what happens with the Gen Z is it starts in I, I think the mid-nineties, but actually when it really changes is in 2000 because from the year 2000, every single individual who was born gets two energy in their character, in their personality, and they don’t all have a one or a nine, which we all had because we were born in 19, whatever. So nine energy is thinking, so ideas, one energy is practical, it’s doing, whereas two energy is the heart and the feeling and the intuition. So what happens when you get these kids, or they’re 23 now actually, but we got these kids starting to be born. They all have that two. The energy of that two, within their psyche inherently.

So what that does is it comes with natural empathy and something they can’t avoid. some of them didn’t even get one or nine or the other practical or thinking energy. So what it means is they default to intuition, not logic. And because of that, they are more easily able to read what’s going on. Probably even if they’re in a bad situation, they’re most likely be able to come to the realization of why is that person doing that? Or why are they like that? Why is this happening? so that’s the main difference. They’re sensitive. They’re all sensitive. And if you can imagine across humanity, no matter their culture, they all come with this inherent kindness or sensitivity, so that’s why they’re different.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that there’s a difference between the Gen Z kids and the millennials that came before them. I thought it was just my imagination, apparently not. Interesting stuff. And you also mentioned intuition and heart. Heart, heart technology, heart- centered. These are all just terms that have been coming up a lot. One woman told me recently that type of thing is a marker of a different dimension, higher consciousness. Do you agree or is that something completely different?

Toni Reilly: I do think it would be associated with higher consciousness, but if I were talking about higher consciousness, I would talk about us as a soul because. When we’re just souls, we’re everything. We just don’t have these human thoughts or characteristics. So we are very pure, and I think that the heart, as far as being a human, the heart center of us or our intuition is the closest that we get within our, our jumbled up humanness that is part of that consciousness, yes.

Johnny Burke: So could that possibly be a marker of the 5D that a lot of these intuitives are talking about these days?

Toni Reilly: I have to be honest and say I’ve heard people talk about 5D, but I don’t know what it is. I’ve never studied it or even really read about it, but what I know is from the work that I’ve been doing is as humanity is evolving and what it’s doing is evolving back almost to when we began in some ways because we were much more intuitive and they were watching what the moon was doing and the stars and these kinds of things, but much more intuitive.

So we’re evolving back to that more connected people. and I think we’ve had our explosion of corporates and all that, and it’s slowly, well, actually, probably pretty fast in the last little while coming down and bringing us back to a sort of more connected humanity. So it’s changing and I do feel that humanity is an experiment that we’re all part of. With each generation it evolves some more e exactly as it’s meant to. So everything that’s happened through the course of humanity has meant to happen. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: So it could be that we are returning to a time or a place in our consciousness where we were more intuitive and we’re more heart-centered, maybe even more towards a group consciousness rather than a zero-sum type thing where it’s always me against you and there’s got to be a loser for every winner. Speaking of which, have you had experience in your sessions where one of your clients was taking back to an ancient time, were maybe the civilizations were more advanced consciousness wise?

Toni Reilly: Yes, it happens all the time. The simplest thing to say is, Earth is not the only place that we incarnate. So yes, people go to other places, other places, and they’re all, I guess, places of experimentation or experiences for the soul to have. but I noticed with any other place that people go, it’s always more energetic and- I’m going to say easier than Earth. Earth is the hard one. The other places are much more,

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that.

Toni Reilly: I’m just going to say energetic and different. Nice. Even.Yeah.

Johnny Burke: agree. I’ve heard that quite a bit. , I don’t want to call them stories because that makes it sound like fiction. I’m hearing a lot more about people incarnating from other worlds, other systems. And I know that there’s that part of the population that will always kind of roll their eyeballs and smirk when people talk about Pleiadeans and all these other, far-out places, which I know nothing about, but I hear it a lot you probably hear it a lot more than I do. pretty interesting stuff,right? And I’ve heard, speaking of which, that earth is a primitive- I heard this last week, a primitive and warlike planet that’s how we’re looked upon.

Toni Reilly: Yeah, it’s very dense and very, hands on, literally, because we don’t have any of this touch, taste, sound, nothing like that unless we’re here in this body. But Johnny, you know what, on the other places that people go, what’s really exciting about this work is people come along not knowing anything about other places. They’re so mainstream and still sometimes they’ll go off somewhere and they come back like,’ what the was that?’ ‘But it’s happened. They felt it. They saw it, and it’s so reassuring because they’re as shocked as anyone else, and most likely we’re an eye roller before you know if they’d even heard of it at all.

Johnny Burke: I was one of those people not really that long ago. I was always interested in, past lives and near-death experiences and that type of thing, and I never had a doubt about the survival of consciousness, even when I was a young kid. But when people start talking about ETs and different planets and Pleiadeans, I wouldn’t roll my eyeballs, but I would think, seriously? Okay.

I’m as skeptical as many people because I have to think what’s the motive? What would incentivize someone to make that up? Are they selling something? Is it a book? Is it a show? Is it a movie? I don’t know. But the more and more I dive into this, I hear about this stuff a lot. My question is always going to be ,okay for once and for all, would one of these beings come down in a ship or whatever and just put all this to rest so we can get on with our lives?

And according to someone that’s going to be on the show, and I think in about a month, he’s saying there is going to be a new cosmic master that’s going to come down here. And I said,’ is it going to be next week?’ I don’t know Johnny. ‘And I said, ‘great. Can you get him to interfere in the next election? Had to bring that up he had no idea. He got a laugh out of it. Anyway. Speaking of missions, you have a mission to change the face of psychology.

And you also believe that soul life coaching is the next step in the evolution of past life regression. So did the mission or the goal to change the face of psychology create the soul life coaching? Or did the soul life coaching come first?

Toni Reilly: Well, it all started as past life regression as I mentioned, I was on my own sort of self-awareness path, so, it all ended up sort of coming together. Past life regression quickly turned into between lives or there were stages where people were going elsewhere, and then of course, beyond which I call it home,

I think that a lot of people who’ve had any of these experiences call at home. But what happened with it was, I was very conscious that you’re still here as a person and we’re living life and we’re having relationships and we have to survive here, and we have to make the most of it. Life is fun. There’s some good stuff we can do here that we can’t do when we’re not in our body.

So I felt like if we can bring both together, we can make this life better and good, and hopefully a lot more fearless, making the most of it while we’re here. Because the truth is we are, we’re all leaving here we know there’s always been birth and death, so we’re all going through, it’s like make the most of it while you’re here if it’s at all possible.

So I feel like this type of coaching, or this type of psychology is so positive for people to get them back to a place where they can really live, live better, live well, feel good about themselves. So that’s what the whole mission turned into.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Do you feel that this work, especially the L B L space, has anything to do with the expansion of consciousness- which we’re not the only ones talking about that, obviously. Is there a connection there or not really? You tell me.

Toni Reilly: Oh, I’m sure there is. I’m sure there is. When somebody, when a person goes in between or beyond or even into a past life, there is without a doubt- whether they question or not, healthy skeptic, it happens and they know that they didn’t make it up. The emotion comes with it. So across the board, they are immediately more conscious and knowing that there’s so much more than just life and us here, our body. So it’s super awakening or beneficial.

Johnny Burke: To answer my other question, how this can change psychology, it seems to be that this type of work can not only expand consciousness -for all of us, hopefully, but it can also get to the heart of an issue a lot quicker than conventional. What do you call it? Couch therapy? Or whatever it is, probably a lot less expensive as well. What are your thoughts?

Toni Reilly: Well with me it’s an investment, but with soul life coaches, it’s the most amazing experience. It gets to the core of the issues fast and it helps people make sense of their lives and what’s going on and why. That’s the key. Soul Life Coaching is going to help you understand why and maybe one other thing I’d love to just say real quick is, every single one of us comes here with insecurity. It’s part of our mission. It’s part of the purpose of life. And when you understand what yours is and, and potentially, the ones that others have, there’s not that many. Everything just seems to open up and make sense as to why we react the way we do, why we behave the way we do. Some things we can’t change, some we can, and it helps our problems or challenges that we face make sense and dissolve, I suppose. Help us heal and move through.

Johnny Burke: Agree. Yeah, that makes total sense to me. Anything else that we should know?

Toni Reilly: Woo. Well, my favorite thing is to believe in yourself, doing the self-work it’s magical. You can’t turn back after that.

Johnny Burke: No turning back. Okay. I think I’m going to quit there. I don’t think I can top that. Great. And so, Tony, thanks so much for joining us this morning. excellent information. How can our listeners find you online?

Toni Reilly: Johnny, they can find me on my website. I’m on all social media, but my website is tonireiilyinstitute.com.

#100 Robyn Locke: Who Are The Elders?

December 16, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Spirit World, Reincarnation

#elders, #lifebetweenlives, #lifereview, #reincarnation, #spiritualessence, #thegreaterpurpose, #universallove

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Robin Locke. She is an energy-intuitive author and international speaker, and today we are going to talk about her latest book, The Greater Purpose, the Bridge Between the Physical and Non-Physical World, and the Elders. Robin, welcome to the show.

Robyn Locke: Thank you for having me today.

Johnny Burke: Now for those of us who did not see your first episode, can you tell them a little bit about how you actually do bridge the physical and the non-physical world, or what many people might call the invisible world?

Robyn Locke: So what I’d say is really clearing the mind and stepping beyond what the mind would suggest and having a welcoming space to be able to connect to something beyond my physical knowingness. So it’s just a matter of practice and developing a muscle.

Johnny Burke: you get insights from the Elders. who are the Elders and what do we need to know about them?

Robyn Locke: And so when I first started receiving insights and had been going on for a while, I finally stopped and said, ” what should I call you? “And they said, ” they call us the Elders.” And I said,” Gosh, that sounds so formal, is there something a little bit less formal that I could address you with? ” And they said,” No, this will do for a time and in time we might change that if you prefer, but right now this is what we suggest you would refer to us as.”

Over time I asked them how they would describe themselves and they said, pure consciousness, infinite awareness. They are mostly those who have not embodied and have that 360-degree view of life without the mind or ego and have that all-knowingness of expansiveness and the ability to understand what we’re going through without the constraints of the physical body and the limitations that the mind.

Johnny Burke: So when you say you get insights, how did that start?, was there visuals or how did you come to recognize them?

Robyn Locke: So I would sit in meditation each morning and I would try to clear my mind, and I would pose questions, and I would wait for my mind to become clear of the clutter of the ego or the mentalness. And wait for an insight to come in and I would write it down in a journal or on my laptop when I got to where I could type faster than I could write, and I would record these. It just really became something that I did within my meditational practice before I went to my real job, years ago. So it was something that I kind of developed over time.

Johnny Burke: Now you say the elders are those who have not incarnated, which I believe would be a point of distinction between the elders and spirit guides, who apparently have incarnated. Is that correct?

Robyn Locke: So There may be different understandings that different people have, based on their experience. So I’ll say that although the majority of the Elders have not incarnated, and the ones that I communicate with have not incarnated. There are those within that grouping because it’s hundreds of spiritual beings, and they actually came on a mission here on Earth, but they are of the persuasion of being that infinite awareness that gives insights in a loving sort of way.

The invisible entourage, which I think you’re referencing,are those that I also believe most likely have not incarnated, and are accessible when you start to ask questions and pose questions in prayer and meditation and contemplation where you’re looking for an answer. You have the means of understanding the answer that they’re giving. The Elders are not my invisible entourage. That’s a different category or grouping of beings that are with one. So you have anywhere from five to seven in the entourage with you at all times.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of spirit guides, some can be loved ones who have passed on . It does get a bit confusing though, doesn’t it? There’s different categories of these light beings for a lack of a better description. Would you agree?

Robyn Locke: Yes, and I would say that it’s all a matter of interpretation. So imagine that you’re a guide for an individual. You’re a spiritual being guide that is trying to communicate and give insights, and now someone has passed that is a loved one that you want to communicate with. They’ve been referred to, and we did talk about this the last time as the great mimickers. It’s not meant as a means of deceiving, it’s meant as a means of being able to provide insights in a way that is receptive, that one is receptive to receive.

So I don’t say that they are not joining the group, that’s not my understanding, but it could be another’s understanding, but also consider now that you’re searching, they have the means to give an answer because they’re with you from embodiment to embodiment, and they’re with you during the in-between time. So they’re your resource. When you give an opening to allow them to communicate, perhaps they want to take that to help the life stream that they serve.

Johnny Burke: Do you think it’s true that we can communicate with our past loved ones, through spirit guides? Do you believe that’s possible?

Robyn Locke: Absolutely. All you have to do is focus on their energy. We’re energy at the baseline consideration. And so when a loved one passes, I do it all the time. When I think about my dad or grandfather or someone that is dear, I just focus on them until I feel their energy and then I send them a message of love and I feel that reciprocated. It’s as simple as that. I believe you can connect at any point and at any time. You’re never separated. It’s the mind that believes of separation.

Johnny Burke: So we’re never separated, which means I can think of my mom or any number of people that I know that have passed, and they will acknowledge it. They will feel it. It’s not my imagination, right?

Robyn Locke: Right. And the thing I would say that would be key to that process is that you always begin from the heart space and that you always begin from a centered space of love, and that you asked to be anchored through light and love in the process. Then you just focus on them until you feel their energy. It doesn’t take very long. And then you say what you want to say and allow that feeling to be returned. Because everything at the end of the day is energy. So you’re just sending them an energetic kiss.

Johnny Burke: Energetic kiss. That sounds like a band name. As a matter of fact, I think that is a band. I think they’re from Brooklyn. more on that later. A few moments ago you mentioned something about the Elders and a mission they have. Is that related to what Dolores Cannon talked about in her books? or is that something completely different?

Robyn Locke: You’ll have to share with me what Dolores shared in her books. I pretty much stay true to my books, so that I don’t mix messages.

Johnny Burke: one of our recent speakers, Holly Duckworth, who was somewhat of a protege of Dolores- we don’t really have time to go into all the details of the books, that would probably take hours. But I think, the gist of it is they are light beings that were reincarnated to come back on a mission. It sounds similar to what you’re describing with the Elders. They might be similar beings. They might be the same beings. Tell us about their mission.

Robyn Locke: What I’ll say is that the Elders were in another system of worlds, and they heard about spiritual essence being trapped in human form and that they had lost their way back home. They had lost their awareness of why they were where they were, and so they came on a mission to this planetary system to allow a remembering to allow more than what we have today. So they’re introducing more truths, more understandings, and it’s simply that the mind needs to not limit what is understood. But they came from another system of worlds to allow remembering within humanity for those who quite frankly have been incarnating for quite a long time

Johnny Burke: So those that have been incarnating for a while seem to have lost their purpose or did not remember?

Robyn Locke: Lost their remembering of why they’re here. If you feel like you have a purpose, then you have a purpose. But I’ve been told that not everyone has a purpose. So it’s that inner awareness that you have a purpose, you want to know what it is because quite frankly, you are spiritual essence.

Spiritual essence heard about this Earth platform where you could understand something when you don’t have the feeling ability in spiritual form. And so in order to understand what love truly is, how do you know what love is unless you know what love is not? And so they chose to enter into an agreement to come into physical form. They donned a, what they call a space suit, like an astronaut suit, to be able to breathe in the environment, to be able to walk and talk and do all the things that you would do to have this experience so that when they left this earth plane, this journey, this experience, then they would understand what love truly is.

So those who have forgotten what their objective was to be here in the first place, perhaps have not enacted or understood that purpose. They have forgotten their objective, their mission, their reason for being in this earth space. And so what the Elders seek to do is to remind them so that then they can enact what they came here to understand and move beyond this earth experience in the rounds of reincarnation, which will continue until they satisfy the agreement that they entered into to incarnate here.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned that the Elders have been here. Do you know approximately how long ago was that in terms of Earth time?

Robyn Locke: They don’t know time-

Johnny Burke: They don’t.

Robyn Locke: Time does not exist there, but what they shared in the Awaken book, which launched recently, the first chapter is my soul’s first personality’s- my first embodiment, because we’re all connected. It was beyond an earlier than recorded time. It was a more advanced time than today. What they shared with me most recently is, we have had a higher evolution that has devolved and now is evolving in a higher way now, but not certainly anywhere near the higher evolution that we once were.

Johnny Burke: Now that seems to imply that thousands of years ago, we did have an advanced, civilization here. Not just in terms of technology, but in terms of consciousness.

Robyn Locke: I think they always talk in terms of consciousness. I received an update the other day in how to incorporate the means of manifestation in universal love, which was something that was done in this more highly evolved time. And it was the time they called the wanting, the wanting time. So today you donate to a charity to help those who are a part of that charity who receive support from that charity. This is the means to create a manifestation energy mixed with universal love that actually buoys up a whole community, individuals within that community. You direct that energy toward, and it is an elixir, more or less. I’d asked for a new insight because a lot of times I feel like we’re giving the same update and I wanted something more. So this was in response to my request to have something more to be given. And it is this development of this energy elixir, and it’s going to be released on. So it’ll be on my YouTube channel.

Johnny Burke: All right. in your experience with the Elders, your insights sound like downloads. It’s almost like you get a firmware update or something. Have they given you any kind of knowledge of ancient civilizations?

Robyn Locke: They do, and they have- they’ve given me three. One was a lost civilization; one was a story from a long time ago. It’s fun to receive those because they give kernels of insights within each of them, you have to really listen. I’ve started doing blog posts where it’s not from the Elders, but from me explaining what the Elders are giving, because sometimes they give it in such an esoteric way you may miss the message. So what I’m trying to do now is to start the blog post with something from me and then link it to the YouTube that will come out that same day.

Johnny Burke: So they have mentioned ancient or lost civilizations. Can you give us a hint of what that lost civilization was, or if there was more than one?

Robyn Locke: They don’t give particulars. They give insights into the civilization that they discuss. It’s not like they describe it, but what I know for sure is that I had an embodiment after my initial one that I worked in technology and it was a very advanced time, but apparently, my personality pushed against was customary at the time, tried to introduce something that was before its time or not acceptable. It’s caused subsequent embodiments with technology to have technology issues. I was doing something the other day with a launch, and it was almost like a sack was put over my head, and I did some work on that this morning because I believe that that was some experience that was held in that embodiment. So what I believe for sure is the value of knowing earlier embodiments is to understand limitations that we may hold in this lifetime.

Johnny Burke: When you say you worked in technology, that seems to be that took place in a period before recorded time here on Earth? Was it that long ago?

Robyn Locke: Yes.

Johnny Burke: I’m curious. How many thousands of years ago was that?

Robyn Locke: They don’t give time. They don’t recognize time. In the Awaken book, they talk about a parallel universe and time travel and all sorts of uniquenesses. And they say time does exist concurrently. So if you can almost imagine that some of this is going on concurrent to this one, but it was in a very different time. So it’s the time factor is something that we feel very tangibly here because we’re physical, but when you’re not physical and it’s just energy, it’s different.

Johnny Burke: That is a mind-bender.

Robyn Locke: It is a mind-bender, isn’t it?

Johnny Burke: It is. And I’ve heard several times that there is no time, everything exists at once. I had someone on the show recently, I believe it was Holly Duckworth, and she was talking about an experience where Dolores Cannon, who was her teacher and her mentor, had a discussion across time with Nostradamus, and I think that is just incredibly cool. But I’m thinking, Okay, so she had a discussion with Nostradamus back in whatever century that was. So you believe time travel is actually possible?

Robyn Locke: I don’t focus on a lot of this. I just know what they have told me, and I trust the Elders. So they’re from the energy of love and my purpose is service. And so truth is my life purpose. Because we don’t talk about the life purpose, we talk about the original purpose, which is the bigger, more vast purpose or greater purpose. There is so much more than I think we can individually conceptualize. They said the mind is like a computer and it hasn’t been programmed for spiritual objectives, so I don’t limit any of that with my limited knowledge because I don’t believe we could mentally handle what really is, because we’d just be blown out of the water. So most give little kernels that we can kind of get around and digest. I think I know 1% of 1% of 1%, but I don’t know by any stretch all that there is.

Johnny Burke: So, in other words, trying to really understand the concept of time or no time is probably beyond our comprehension in this current incarnation. Eventually when we cross over, hopefully then we’ll get it.

Robyn Locke: so what I will say when we pass, we hold the same belief system that we hold now. So if you believe something that’s partially true but not fully true, you’ll be reinforced by everything that you currently believe. Your belief system travels with you to that in between transitory time, they’ve shared that in The Greater Purpose. So if you believe something, Is kind of right, but not completely right. It will be reinforced and then you’ll plan your next life using what they call faulty material, not complete information.

Johnny Burke: So there’s no teacher there giving you the correct answers to the test, is what you’re saying?

Robyn Locke: No, because what Universe says is you have free will, and so if you wanted to know more, you would have looked for more in this lifetime. It would be a diminishment of your free will election to tell you that what you believe is not so at that point in time. Does that make sense?

Johnny Burke: Yep. Even with my earth brain, I think I can understand that. You’ve mentioned the in-between space, and agreements. I believe this is from the book: “the remembrance will enable our ability to stop the rounds of incarnation and complete the agreement we set up.” Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Robyn Locke: So the Greater Purpose is a three-purpose trilogy book set that is combined into one. The second book in the set is called The Original Purpose, and in that, it talks about the transitory time, and it talks about that in-between time and the remembrances and all of those details. In the third book, which is the most recent Enact Your Purpose, it talks about how you are not your mind, how you are separate from that. It gives the analogy of you donning a space suit to be in this lifetime today. And so all of this melds together to give you a more definitive understanding of what all of this is about.

This is where they compare the mind to and all of this to a computer and say that oftentimes the computer operator is watching the computer as a computer decides what it wants to do. So we need to become that conscious awareness where we take back the decision-making and recognize that the mind will lead us off track oftentimes because it’s like the teenager without the curfew.

Johnny Burke: Teenager without a curfew. What a lot of us have heard about the in-between space, life between lives and I think Michael Newton in his books talked about this quite a bit. Is this the place where we make soul agreements with the soul family? I’ve been told it’s almost like casting a movie. Do you find the same thing or is it a little bit different?

Robyn Locke: It’s very similar to that. When spiritual essence wanted to have this experience, they had to encapsulate it into a soul. So the soul isn’t necessary, and that’s why someone once referred to the Elders as departed souls and the Elders responded that you may not know the energy in which you’re speaking to, because they are not departed souls. They didn’t mean it in an insulting way, but they meant it that you’re not understanding the energy in which you’re communicating. And so departed souls are often those that want to come back and give a message they didn’t have a complete life, or they want to share more or they’re not ready, whatever the issue is, but that’s not this. So within the experience and the transitory time there is the faulty material that we’re basing our next incarnation.

So imagine today there is a lot of unrest within, let’s say, our population. The people that are fueling that feel very empowered and correct and right in what they’re doing. So imagine that you’re in a space and you believe whatever is believed and now you’re given reinforcement of that faulty belief system, and you formulate your next life based on those faulty beliefs. You can almost see it in the world today.

Johnny Burke: This is one of the things I could never quite understand. When we talk about karma, we are responsible for our behavior, our acts, what we do here on Earth. If you take a scene, where this group starts making decisions like, in my next incarnation:” You’re going to be my mom. You’re going to be my dad; you’re going to be the friend that betrays me. You’re going to be the girl that, breaks my heart,” whatever that is. They come down here, right? And some people have decided to play the bad guy. Do you think it’s true that once they go back to that in-between space they’re going to feel what they have made others feel ?

Robyn Locke: Yes and no. So what I believe is that when you go into that in-between space, sometimes you need a villain because you want to experience, and they’re helping you experience that thing by taking on that role. what I’ve been told about the review process is that it’s not an in-depth review. It’s snippets. It’s like little components. It gives the individual the overall flavor of the lifetime. Because the intention isn’t to make one feel bad or feel in a lower space. The intention is to review and give an assessment but in the space of love. So the other thing that you mentioned was about the agreement, I believe that the agreement is the thing that brings you into embodiment the first time. I don’t know that the agreement is reinforced in the in-between times because what I believe happens is the original incarnation is where you have the closest stability to enact your original purpose for entering into physical form. As different incarnations occur, there is less and less and less of remembrance, not only of the original purpose but of the divine lineage from which you came.

So there is that forgetfulness that we are in now. You can imagine that many had been incarnating before recorded history, that would mean that there is a great diminishment of understanding and of remembering and of recall. And there haven’t been books that directly go to the steps that need to be done so that an individual can reconnect to why they are here and what they can do to move out of the rounds of incarnation because karma has been misinterpreted by mankind or whoever wrote some of the definitions. The manmade inference is that you have to atone and make right past indiscretions. The Elders have said if you choose to do that, through your free will election. You may be coming here for a very long time, but the true meaning of karma is to make whole.

Johnny Burke: That’s a very interesting point you just made. So in other words, just so we all understand this, the Elders have basically told you, if we understand karma as atonement, we’re going to be coming back again, again and again.

Robyn Locke: If we believe it and accept it, if we embrace it, it’s free will. I believe that. I wanted to make right all my wrongs. I wanted to atone for everything that I had done. And they said, it’s not like that- this space is meant to be where you make mistakes because the mistakes make you look a different direction. So don’t try to make right what need not be perfect. You came for perfection. Now you’re in a space of imperfection and the imperfection is needed to show you a different direction, a different path, and to make a different choice.

Johnny Burke: Going back to the in-between space and the soul group; the casting, for a lack of a better description is done in such a way that the group learns as a whole. Depending on what role you’re supposed to play, good or bad, the objective is not just for you to learn, it’s for the entire group to learn. Does that make sense?

Robyn Locke: It does, and I don’t know that I have heard it that way. Everything I’ve heard is more individual and you need different players to come in. It discusses this in the Awaken book where it talks about needing antagonists, needing adversarial components in your storyline. When you recognize that many of the antagonists within your storyline are merely a reflection of the one who doesn’t like them. When you recognize that there are people that you hear all the time that people don’t like in politics, and they really almost rub them in a visceral way. Like it’s a deep angst that they feel. I always will ask when I hear that, “Well, what is it that you don’t like about them?”

If you can understand that the thing that often people don’t like is the very thing that they embrace. And no one likes to see someone doing something that they don’t like themselves doing. So it’s a mirror image and once we recognize that a lot of those things that we see is bad are simply reflections of us, and we see the gift in what was given, and we can look at the experience differently, and then we may not feel that way toward that individual anymore. They were simply needed to show us what we couldn’t see within ourselves.

Johnny Burke: I do like that, and it reminds me of what a friend of mine told me recently, He said,” I listened to your podcast on all these different episodes, and I really like how you dive into the in-between space and try to make sense of it. Could it be that if one were to look at his or her surroundings instead of saying, this person’s mean, this guy’s a dick, this girl’s a bitch,or whatever, merely look at them as if they’re playing a role. If you look at them that way, they’re playing a part. That’s what they were directed to do. That’s what they signed up for. That’s what I signed up for. That means I don’t have to judge them- it’s not good or bad, it’s just experience.

Robyn Locke: So the elders have said judgment is self-judgment. So whatever you judge the other person to be, how would you know what that person does? Really? How do you know what they think?

Johnny Burke: We don’t

Robyn Locke: But you know what you think and we know what you know. And so when you judge, it is the realization that you see that component in yourself. What they recommend- I think it’s in chapter nine of Awaken, that you have a journal, and you list all the characteristics about this individual and you go through a process. So that you can see and then release what was unseen before. It’s all meant to be a journey. It’s all self-discovery.

Anytime something doesn’t happen, it’s not because of them, it’s because of the energy that we individually keep. So when our energy shifts, we broadcast energy differently. That energy goes out and gathers more of its kind before returning back to you. So when you’re at a different energetic state, then you’re going to get a different energy in return. Once you have that realization, these people won’t bother you in the same way that they used to, and they’ll either exit your life or you’ll see them and you don’t care in the same way that you did before, or what they say will flow over and through you and you’ll chuckle at it and think it’s absurd. So that’s where the transformation happens, because now you freed yourself from the mental bonds that you had before because what the mind interjects is most of the time factually incorrect.

Johnny Burke: Does that have anything to do with what you describe as the mind being separate from us? The mind is not us?

Robyn Locke: Yes. And they explain that very eloquently. And I don’t know if we have time, but it’s a great explanation I never understood it fully, but I do now.

Johnny Burke: Well, we might have another installment because it seems like we do have a little bit more work to do on this. Robin, thanks for coming back onto the show. in the meantime, I believe the best way to find out more about you and your books is at www. Advanced energetics.org.

#100 Robyn Locke: Yes.

#82 Tamar George: The Reincarnation of Letty Lind

August 13, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Reincarnation, Past Lives

#Atlantis, #divine inspiration, #indigochildren, #lettylind, #pastliferegression, #pastlives, #rebornintime, #reincarnation, #spiritguides, #starchildren, #tamargeorge

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny and Burke and today’s guest is Tamar George. She is a psychic coach, artist, and author of several books, including My Life As Letty Lind. Today, we will be talking about how she can connect into past lives to better understand the greater view of reincarnation and why more people are remembering their own past lives. Tamar, welcome to the program.

Tamar George: Thank you. Glad to be here.

Johnny Burke: You are a psychic coach. How does that differ from being a medium?

Tamar George: A psychic coach is somebody that works with questions and a medium works with those who passed over to the other side. There’s definitely a difference.

Johnny Burke: That’s consistent with what a lot of us have been told before. So in other words, you don’t really position yourself as a medium, you ‘re a psychic coach.

Tamar George: Yes, I am.

Johnny Burke: When did you learn that you had intuitive gifts?

Tamar George: I remember talking to my mother around the age 11 and somebody was coming over and I described who they were and what they were about. And she said, “how do you know that?” And I answered,” how do you not know that?” that’s when I realized I was different. Then as an adult, I learned to meditate with others and I was receiving a lot of information that I could see, feel, and knew especially stuff I didn’t know. And others in that meditation group started asking me for information about their lives.

Johnny Burke: So the meditation group was a starting point for that. Is that where it blossomed from there? Or did it happen later on?

Tamar George: No, it blossomed from there. Definitely.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Good. All right. So you’ve been working as a psychic for, it’s almost four decades. Tell us how that journey started.

Tamar George: I call my intuition divine inspiration, and some would call it spirit guides. But no matter what you call it, I was getting advice. So there was a suggestion from my guidance that I take myself out there in the world and teach what I was learning. And I replied back, ‘no, I wasn’t going anywhere because I wasn’t perfect. And the answer that I heard back in my head was, yeah, they would hate you if you were perfect. That’s when I realized I was being asked to be perfect to just teach back what was working for me. And they were also telling me that our lives are the greatest example of being a really good teacher.

Johnny Burke: So spirit guides-, it seems to be that when people do talk about spirit guides and angels, for that matter, it often is associated with intuitives like yourself being able to see spirit or spirits, people that have passed at a young age. You didn’t have those experiences when you were younger, did you?

Tamar George: I did not. I considered spirit guides as information that, comes to you from your higher self. Let’s say you’re doing a painting and you received divine inspiration. The greatest paintings in the world were divinely inspired- architecture, all of that. Where does that come from? That’s what I’m talking about, divine inspiration.

Johnny Burke: Your position is that the greatest works of art, architecture and so forth all were the results of divine inspiration. Let’s take like Michael Angelo, for example. That one would seem like a pretty good candidate, but you’re saying basically all the great works?

Tamar George: Yeah. And in some way, and somehow it’s like sacred geometry, they all fit what is perfect. Think about the music that was created. It was divinely inspired.

Johnny Burke: Hmm. Okay. Now your website mentioned something about indigo children and star children. Who are they and does that have anything to do with what, people are calling Ascension?

Tamar George: I had clients coming to me telling me that their children just knew things. They thought maybe their child was an old soul. And they said that child seems wise beyond their years. And they also learn things really fast, and they know things they shouldn’t know at like five or six. They were also very loving towards others.

So those labels, indigo or star children, that’s just what they are because it means old souls. Ascension is what we’re in right now. We also call it the Aquarian Age , but it is the age from a fear experiment into a love experiment, and these kids are here to help. They’re going to create changes in technology in order to help save each other and the planet. They definitely don’t want our old world of greed and they don’t want to work nine to five every day. They want more freedom, more joy.

Johnny Burke: How can you know for certain these kids are in fact what you would call an indigo child or a star child?

Tamar George: The only explanation I can give for that is the parents just know, and being around one of these children, you just know they have wisdom beyond their years. They’ll point out when you’re mean to an animal, or point out when there’s an inconsistency with the way an adult is behaving, they’re wise.

Johnny Burke: Is it possible that these children come from other star systems or anywhere other than earth?

Tamar George: That is a real possibility., but I believe that’s true for all of us because we’re multi-dimensional. We have eternity to explore and create in. So. Yeah, we’re just very limited. We’re very much in our box here on earth.

Johnny Burke: what exactly does multi-dimensional mean?

Tamar George: To me it means that the great, great giant spirit of us, has the ability to send pieces of its spirit. It’s also been described like the drop in the ocean. That’s still water, it’s a drop, but it’s in the ocean. And we are able as pieces of spirit to be in other realms, to be in other places, to learn how to create.

When you look at this planet, we’re creating all the time. We’re cloning animals. We’re creating new technology. We’re creating new plants. We’re just constantly creating. And to think that it’s limited by an 80-year time span or a hundred-year time span in eternity is really limiting everything.

Johnny Burke: Limited thinking; where do you suppose that actually comes from?

Tamar George: I think when we look back in history, we have been in the dark ages, this fear experiment. So we limited ourselves, we limited one another, just to this amount of consciousness. But now we’re hearing the consciousness is being raised. We have so much access to other information that once we get out there and start researching, we realize where the myths come from. Joseph Campbell did Occidental mythology, where he traces all the myths in history. It’s an amazing book, amazing book. So that’s why we’re limited.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned raising consciousness, a moment ago, and also what you called the fear experiment. Does the fear experiment have something to do with moving away from the male energy and moving towards the feminine energy, which is also related to what people call Ascension, which I think has a lot to do consciousness, raising, more people waking up and so forth?

Tamar George: Yeah, we talk about the patriarchal system where the man has had more power on this planet. But what’s coming back is this divine feminine with the divine masculine so that the misuse of power is no longer. We’re in the age of unity.

Johnny Burke: We are there?

Tamar George: We’re there right now.

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard that. I always ask for a roadmap when someone brings this up. When are we going to get there? Is it going to be next year? Next decade, Next millennia? When is that going to happen?

Tamar George: No, we’re in the Aquarian age, right now. So we have gone past the cusp of it, and we have moved right into it. When we’re watching the news, what’s happening around the world is the old system. The patriarchal system is holding on for dear life of still wanting power over others. And we’re seeing that. We’re all going through a very rough time. But the outcome is going to be that balance. It’s going to be that joy. It’s always been that probable of happiness.

Johnny Burke: regarding the Aquarian age, which we’re supposedly in right now. Do we have a reference point from thousands of years ago? There are people that talk about theories of how we move out of one age and into another. Where does the projection come from that we are currently moving into the Aquarian age?

Tamar George: I think it comes from the Mayan calendar. It was a big deal in 2012, that the earth was going to end, but what they were really saying as the earth was going to end as we know it, so what was humanity going to do? What’s it going to continue the old process or was it going to have enough people waking up into their own consciousness, stepping out of the box and that’s what happened. That’s when this shift occurred. That’s when we moved into the Aquarian age.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of the Mayans, which is always a very interesting topic, how long ago was that civilization in place? It was thousands of years ago was it not?

Tamar George: I think even less time than that, the Mayans alive today would say “we’re still here. ” That calendar? I don’t know exactly when the calendar was created, but they had a really, really good system. it was cycles of patterns that they were researching and learning about and writing down.

Johnny Burke: And speaking of cycles, there are theories that thousands and thousands of years ago, five, 6,000, maybe even more like 10,000 years ago, there were civilizations that were more advanced than the one we’re living in today. Would you agree?

Tamar George: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Whenever someone talks about Ascension, we often slip into that, discussion about cycles. The great year concept where everything does go in cycles. And I asked about reference points because it would appear that the Egyptians, before the pharaohs, were living in a time where some people might call it five D, where telepathy was as normal as people speaking or people using their smartphones. I think that does tie into of these discussions about indigo children and star children and things that do seem a little bit extraordinary. You agree?

Tamar George: Yes. To that person in that box. Yes. It seems extraordinary.

Johnny Burke: Yes, exactly.

Tamar George: Those of us who remember, which is my first book,” Reborn In Time“, which is the story of Atlantis. Then the Atlanteans moved out. They had sister cities. They moved out from their land, into the Egyptians, into the Mayans, into the Celtic people. And I trace those lives through past life regression. How we got more into the darker age is how we misused the teachings even more. So it’s quite an exciting journey.

Johnny Burke: To say the very least. Since you brought it, up past lives, going back, quite a long time, you’re talking about, I’m guessing here- 10,000, 12,000 years or more. This means during those past lives, you’ve seen, the cycle that we’re talking about; enlightenment and then falling down into the dark ages. Kind of like what America is now, and hopefully coming out of.

My Life As Letty Lind, describes a past life of yours in Victorian England. So, how did you discover that you had a life that long ago?

Tamar George: With my intuition. I just saw her as a child. I just knew that I had been there. It was just a knowing. And I kept asking for a name and I came up with Letty Lind, and this was all before the internet. So, I went over in 1997 to London to look at the birth certificates in an official government building and it was all handwritten. But I couldn’t find Letty Lind because that was not her official birth name. So when the internet came into being, around 2003, I typed in Letty Lind, and up came a picture and it was like,” yes, she really does exist.”

Johnny Burke: So, what did it feel like when you saw the picture, what were your first impressions?

Tamar George: Just that excitement that I just portrayed, it was like, “oh my gosh, yay! I’m on to something here. “So I kept Googling. And then 2005, I found the guy named Graham from London, who is doing a biography of Letty and he kept emailing me and, I absolutely kept all of those emails. He wouldn’t tell me what he was writing about. He wanted to know why I was interested in her.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned knowing that this person – this was one of your past lives. Is that a claircognizant knowing, or is it something different?

Tamar George: I just have been getting information from my guides and I was trusting the information out to my clients. Why not trust it?

Johnny Burke: Right. so the information was coming from your spirit guides then?

Tamar George: Yes.

Johnny Burke: You actually had experiences remembering past lives going much farther back than Victorian England. Did you learn about that first? Or did you learn about the life of Letty Lind and the previous lives after that?

Tamar George: It’s like balls in the air. I was juggling all those lifetimes as I was writing my first book and recording information for this book. So it was all happening at once. So I would, I would keep finding more information and doing more regressions.

Johnny Burke: You initially got the information, from your spirit guides, but the past life regression, sessions you learned even more. Can you give us an idea of what, one of those sessions actually feltlike?

Tamar George: They grew over time. So the more I trusted myself to do it, the more I would trust what I was getting. And the more I did it, like practice. So I just became better and better and better at those regressions as well as my psychic ability. Reborn in Time took 10 years to write. My life A Letty Lind only took a couple of months because I had gathered all the information.

Johnny Burke: From one of those sessions when you did a past life regression, do you remember the type of questions that the therapist was asking you and how the process went and some things you remembered? Did you have a recorder on anything like that?

Tamar George: I didn’t have a recorder on, and I always remembered it because I was visually seeing it and I was feeling it and I was there. So after the session, I would get up and I would write it down, I led the regression therapist in a lot of the questions because as I was telling the story, they would ask me a question that might not relate to where I was and where I was going. And I’d say,” ask me this,” and they were okay with that because I was getting All this information.

Johnny Burke: When you go into a session like that, you do a past life regression, how do you know it’s not your imagination, that it’s something much different? In your case, It actually was a past life?

Tamar George: It’s really that ability to trust. if you can work with your intuition and learn how to trust it, then you’ll realize you’re not making it up. Plus a lot of times you’re having feelings and your brain knows where you’re going with the sentence. In a past life regression, you don’t know where you’re going, you’re watching it as it’s happening. So there’s no ending there. And that’s another way between those feelings and watching the story develop. Are those your two trust issues?

Johnny Burke: Really. Emotionally, what does that feel like when you go through that type of experience?

Tamar George: Well, sometimes you don’t want to hear the information and other times you’re going, “wow. I really felt a lot in that situation.” the other thing is, ” that is so similar to what I’m going through right now as the lesson. ”

Johnny Burke: Okay. So let’s talk a little bit more about Letty Lind and your other lives. Going as far back as Atlantis, we might have to devote an entire episode just on that, but that’s pretty amazing stuff. So Letty Lind; who exactly was she? because you obviously nailed it down to a certain period in Victorian England.

Tamar George: Letty was an actress. She was also a dancer. She was very well known for her long performances on this stage. She was born in 1861 and died in 1923. And this life I was born in 1947.

Johnny Burke: How did you know that she lived during a period of Victorian England. How did you know that it was during that time, other than what the researcher told you?

Tamar George: The researcher only confirmed it, but I could see it. I could see her dancing. I could see her on stage, it all felt just so familiar.

Johnny Burke: What else is significant about the life of this person?

Tamar George: What’s really interesting is I did a regression on my husband and. After I had met Graham, the researcher, we talked about, what else did I know? And I said, “well, I did this regression on my husband, and he came up with the lifetime as King Edward, which was really surprising. Letty was born in the same year that King Edward, Victoria’s oldest son , was promiscuous. My final proof was the fact that I finally found that there was a person named Lord Esher that was in charge of Letty’s will. And Lord Esher talked to King Edward every single day. So how come Lord Esher was put in charge of this singer and this dancer in King Edward’s will? And that connected the two. That was my proof.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So what relationship did Letty have to King Edward?

Tamar George: Well, she was his child born out of wedlock when he was very, very young.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Tamar George: Yes.

Johnny Burke: This brings us to another question. Why do you suppose so many people have connections to famous people in their past lives?

Tamar George: I’m okay with all of that, because in that bigger picture, we all are creator energy. We all are one, but I had a client who thought she was Marie Antoinette. And when we did further research on it, she found out she was in the court of Marie Antoinette. So a lot of people associate. Their brain goes right away with what is known, they’re meditating, and they’ve got this figure of light in their mind screen, and they think it must be Jesus. Cause that’s the only figure of light that they could possibly relate it to.

Johnny Burke: There are more light beings than master Jesus, as some people refer to a mess. 300 people that claim to be Marie Antoinette or the Queen of Sheba probably are not all that accurate, right?

Tamar George: Not unless they really do a lot more regressions, a lot more research, not unless they really find those details. They really move along that path. Like I did with Letty Lind, the proof, which I lay out in the book, the linear proof that happens all along the way that convinces me I was indeed her. Why would this happen?

Johnny Burke: This isn’t the only past life you’ve had ,apparently, right.? You’ve had more than one.

Tamar George: Oh yeah.

Johnny Burke: You also did visit London to find her grave or your grave- what was that like?

Tamar George: I had been emailing Graham, and he was writing this pamphlet about the life of Letty Lind, which he did not share any of it with me. So I met him in Windsor at the train station and we went off to Letty’s grave. He got mad at me when we were standing up the grave saying,” you’re not paying your respects.” and I said,” bones, how you doing?” I said, “Graham I’m Right here.” So then we went off to the church and I sat down and read the booklet and all of a sudden I came upon the date. Letty’s funeral was Friday, August 31st. And I went, “oh my God, Graham, come here, come here. I said,” what date is today? “And he looked at me strangely and he said, “it’s Friday, August 31st.” And I went, oh my God, 84 years later, I’m sitting in the church on Friday, August 31st, the same day as my funeral. Letty died when she was 61 in a month and a half, I was going to be 61 years old. Total proof for me! How can that happen?

Johnny Burke: There does seem to be quite a few coincidences there. We all know what intuitives think about coincidence; many of them say there is no such thing. So going back to the discussion about Ascension and moving away from one energy to another, whether it be the divine feminine or the divine feminine and the divine masculine. Why do you suppose more people today are remembering their own past lives?

Tamar George: I believe that that ability to raise our consciousness, to meditate, to spend more time in yoga is helping with those scenes and that understanding. Our past lives are in the aura around our body. So we’re able to connect into that record that exists around us. That’s where it is. We have a lot of information in the auric field around us.

Johnny Burke: The auric field that you just mentioned, is there any connection to the Akashic Records? Might that actually be the same thing?

Tamar George: I believe there are two different sort of teachings. The Akashic records are saying all your records are held in this place. And I’m saying all your records are held, around you. Why can’t it be both?

Johnny Burke: It could be,

Tamar George: I think from being a psychic, what people don’t know is everything is known about you. As a psychic, I’m only privy to so much information. And I always ask for the highest good. So it has to be for your highest good, but everything is known.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that before. That does harken back to the concept of the records where apparently past, present, and future are happening all at once. That’s a pretty hard concept to get your head around. But the auric field, that seems to imply that it’s in our energy field, does it not?

Tamar George: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Okay. does that have anything to do with how a shaman would conduct a shamanic journey or a session of their practice?

Tamar George: I’m a person that doesn’t ever say absolutes because the more I know the more I don’t know. So, and I don’t know their process, but it is very likely that they were tapping into something that they were getting results from. If you’re getting results from the process that you’re doing, you keep doing it. It’s worth it.

Johnny Burke: That’s true. What do you think are some of the most important takeaways from your experience of remembering your past lives?

Tamar George: I think that because we live in such a racist society we’re saying we’re better than, and that’s gone on for thousands of years. That when we finally figure out that we’re all one that the great gigantic spirit of who we are chooses to put a part or a piece of its spirit in a human costume and live out this life. That if we are very negative against another race, then that is our choice. The next time around is to come back into that race, to learn love, compassion, understanding. So people don’t realize the karma that they’re building. And we are coming into a time where we are going to all say we are all one.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Tamar George: I even believe the religions out there are going to say we’re all one.

Johnny Burke: So what you’re talking about is basically reincarnation and you also mentioned religion. So in your experience of all the past lives that you have remembered and viewed, and how does that change your view of spirituality and religion if it’s changed at all?

Tamar George: Well, it has changed because I believe I was living in a very limited box that only saw things a certain way. And by jumping out of that box and experiencing all of these other past lives. And my psychic, abilities experience on all of that, I was realizing the creator created everything. And if the creator created everything, then that creator energy is within us. That energy within us then moves out into earth experiment to create, and we have free will. We can create the good, the bad, the ugly, or we can create a joy filled life, but our subconscious thoughts are doing the creation. Believe it or not, it’s not that much of the consciousness. It’s more of the deep subconscious fears or desires that are manifesting themselves in the future. There is no future. We are just in the now and in that now we are manifesting what that subconscious is believing. So that’s part of my psychic ability is to get into that subconscious and say, do you want to create this? Are you sure you want to go down this path? And I’m not allowed to give so much information that would interfere with that path? Or I have karma with it.

Johnny Burke: So you see information pertaining to one of your clients, but you know what to divulge and what not to divulge- is that how that works?

Tamar George: How to say it, like, here’s the probability, but you have free will to change this. What you’re creating doesn’t look that good. Let’s back it up, change the thought pattern, figure out why you have that fear, desire, whatever it is you’re manifesting. And let’s move on to create something that really would be joy-filled.

Johnny Burke: Have to like that. Last question here. With the explosion of mediums and intuitives and empaths and psychics when do you think we will see the day when psychics, for example, are as commonplace as psychotherapists?

Tamar George: 39 years ago when I first started out, I didn’t have many people relating to me at all, but now I have a whole lot of people that understand what I’m saying, are okay with the fact that I’m a psychic coach, way more accepting because they’re wanting to know more about their own intuition.

Johnny Burke: Makes sense. Excellent. Tamar, thanks so much for joining us today. very cool information. Very informative. How do our listeners find out more about you online?

Tamar George: www. tamargeorge.com