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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Pamela Aloia. She is an energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and teacher. Her work helps clients understand how w they’re affected by energy and how to clear emotional and mental clutter. Today we’ll be talking about her experiences meeting people from the other side, connecting with past lives, and working with angels. Pamela, welcome to the program.

Pam Aloia: Thank you very much for having me. I’m excited to be here Johnny,

Johnny Burke: Excellent. so I’m thinking that when I look at :energy healer, author, spiritual coach, and all of your experience- the energy healing, did that experience come first or was there something else before that?

Pam Aloia: It was the energy healing, at least that I remember consciously.I was having a lot of physical issues and while I was receiving some feedback and some help from traditional medicine with medication and things like that, it wasn’t enough. I found that when I went to some of the alternative therapies, that energy work was the best thing that gave me about 75% of relief from my symptoms, and I was able to go off some medication from it.

So once I realized that energy healing was a thing and it was real, I really just jumped into it with both feet and figured, okay, I got to learn as much as I possibly can about this, and share it with as many people who are open to it.

Johnny Burke: And it seems at least from my experience, that the energy healing seems to be like a starting point for many, many of an intuitive path. Do you find the same thing? Yeah.

Pam Aloia: Yeah, it is a common occurrence to get people onto a different way of thinking about things and viewing things. I think a lot of folks that I speak to start to realize that they were looking at things so linearly and so 3D-ish that we are so ingrained on getting the symptoms of our physical issues resolved when we don’t always realize that our physical issues could be associated with emotional issues or mental issues or constructs that we’ve either been ignoring or have been programmed within us that we don’t even realize that they’re there.

Johnny Burke: And can we assume that your entry into the world of energy healing, and everything that comes with that, is that how you discovered past lives and spirit guides and things like that?

Pam Aloia: It is, through deep meditation. I learned that meditation got me through some of my discomfort physically with some of the symptoms that I had been having, and it also brought me an inner awareness about myself. And then about guides, angels and those who have passed and everything else that goes along with that.

Johnny Burke: And it’s quite a vast universe, if that’s even the right term. It’s probably more like a galaxy or several galaxies. I know a lot of us are still trying to figure that out. So,

Pam Aloia: tTrue.

Johnny Burke: What really comes first? We have past lives, angels, spirit guides, and other types of beings. Did this kind of all hit you all at once or was it little by little?

Pam Aloia: With the meditation, I found that I was able to understand more about Angels and guides. Now, I grew up Catholic, so I always believed that we had guardian angels with us. Anyhow. I just assumed they were with us, but never really did anything to try and feel them other than pray. So the more I did the meditation though, I felt like I could open up doorways that I hadn’t opened up before.

So I was aware of different changes in energy and started to do some conscious meditations to learn who my guides were, learn who my angels were, and connect with other spiritual beings too. Yeah. So I would say that probably came first, and then the next thing that happened for me was connecting with past loved ones. And that was sort of by accident for me.

The first, relative of mine who I would say she connected with me because it was my grandmother. I had, I guess, received some of her furniture and had it in my home, and it was just in one room in the home. And after a while of having it in the home, I would go into that room and I would feel her. When you have furniture or heirlooms or things like that, you’re going to feel the person’s energy, that’s part of the reason why you take it, is because you want to feel and stay close to that person. This was more than that. I actually started avoiding that room because I knew she was there. I had a feeling she was there and growing up, this wasn’t something we talked about. I didn’t think I was going crazy. I knew what I knew, but I didn’t know who to talk to about it so that I could feel more secure in it. And finally one day I was outside doing some yard work. And this is months going by now, months gone by. I know my grandmother’s there. I know she wants to talk to me, and I just keep avoiding the situation. So I’m doing some yard work and I’m taking a break. And I feel my uncle, my uncle who’s also passed, he’s never come through to move before or since, by the way, he came in, he said, clear as day”you know, someone wants to talk to you. “And I said, yes, “yes, I know. “And I said,” but I’m not sure I want to talk to her.” and she said,

Johnny Burke: Were you scared ?

Pam Aloia: I wasn’t scared at all. There was no fear whatsoever. I knew he was coming from a loving place. and I think it was time. I know I had ignored it long enough. I said, finally, “Okay, I’ll make some time later on today and I’ll sit with her. “And I did. And then that kind of opened the doors for other folks to come through. People I knew, people I didn’t know.

Johnny Burke: Now when you commune, I guess is the right word, with people that have passed over, What kind of insights come at you right away? Are they happy? Are they sad? Does it vary? I’ve heard lots of different accounts on that.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. To me it varies on how long the person, and that’s not always true either. So, it depends on how the person is transitioning to the other side. Sometimes it depends on how long they’ve been over there too. Initially, some folks take a little bit of time to some folks took a very long time to transition. I had a mentor of mine whose husband had died, and she claimed it took him 20 years to come to her and accept that she was trying to connect with him for all of those 20 years. But he had lived a life that he was ashamed of. And he came to her 20 years later and said, ‘you know, all the work that you’ve done, the forgiveness work, the love you’ve sent me has definitely helped me grow on the other side.’

And then I’ve talked to people who, come to me and ask to connect with somebody who’s passed, some people just want to know they’re Again, sometimes depending on how quickly it’s been, some folks are still transitioning, and finding it interesting exploring what it is to be on the other side. and others are just totally, ‘Whoa, this is great. We love it’. You know, ‘don’t call us too many times’, you know?

Johnny Burke: Don’t call us?

Pam Aloia: If we’re having fun.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard that. Other mediums have told me that when a person passes initially, it takes them time to learn how to communicate with living people that are still here on Earth. And speaking of mediums, I noticed that you don’t use that term, even though by definition you are a medium. Because if you can talk to the dead, that’s how it’s usually described. Do you consciously avoid that label or,

Pam Aloia: I may consciously avoid that. I think part of that is because to be. People who have crossed over and are able to connect with those folks as well as spiritual beings. To me, it’s all the same. it’s a different vibration If you can tap into the different levels of vibration, so to me, it’s more than mediumship. I don’t really segregate the two. I could. I will admit secondarily, I think part of the mediumship, to me is, growing up, again, this was not something that you talked about very often, and if someone was a medium, they were automatically, kind of pushed aside, you know, dismissed, so I think part of that is in there too if I’m honest.

Johnny Burke: As a young person, were you able to see spirits and have psychic phenomena, psychic experiences at all?

Pam Aloia: Not that I recall. Not that I recall, no. The, closest I feel I’ve gotten to a spiritual experience as a young person was in second grade when I really started to have a fabulous relationship with Mother Mary growing up Catholic. I don’t recall anything specific. I do remember being in completely enamored with the apparitions with Wars of Fatima,And really was sucked into that story for years. I still am. I think it’s a fascinating story all the times that she’s appeared in places.

Johnny Burke: So on the subject of Angels and Guides, for one thing, I think some folks do kind of get them confused. Can you give us some clarity on that, if it’s possible? They are different. And I’ve been told that angels have never been on Earth whereas guides are usually people that have lived here and then passed on.

Pam Aloia: And, that is my understanding too. So the angels, again, it’s a different vibration. The angels vibrated, I would say a higher vibration, although they can lower themselves depending on where we can meet them in between. The angels bring a much loftier energy but they can be quite humorous at the same time, and practical, you know, kind of call you out on your own stuff in a humorous way. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: it’s not the first time I’ve heard that either. It isn’t, I think it’s kind of funny. It’s good to know.

Pam Aloia: It is. It’s fun. It, it’s fun. And because you can feel the love behind it, there’s no judgment, there’s love and you can have fun with it, even though you’re screwing up or you feel like you’re screwing up there. There’s just endless love. So that’s lovely. And guides can be folks who have been here in the past. They could be from your lineage. They could be Indians, they could be Eskimos, you know, it could be other people, but you can also have guides that are animal guides as well. not necessarily have walked the earth, but say we have a guide that’s a bear ;that to me encompasses the whole bear energy of all bears that have ever lived. just the essence of what a bear is. I have seen people who have guides who are like, dragons or fairies or things like that. So it’s not just related to earthly type things.

Johnny Burke: Dragons? as in like Game of Thrones? Like those kinds of dragons?

Pam Aloia: I’ve seen dragons yes, I’ve seen water dragons, air dragons, fire dragons, it really depends on the person. And all guides are great. It’s more what meets the person’s personality or the information, in essence of what they need at that time.

Johnny Burke: So, do you think it’s true that we create the vision of our guides, or do they somehow read our minds and just manifest themselves in a way that is best for the individual?

Pam Aloia: I would say the latter. I hadn’t given as much thought quite honestly, but the way I understand it is that we have, for lack of a better word, a team of light and the team of light can be angels and guides put together if we’re going to simplify it. Based on what it is that we need at that time, I believe there are some guides who stay with us throughout our whole lifetime. And there are other guys that kind of switch guards mm-hmm based on what we’re going through. So, in that regard, I do believe that those folks will come in based on what we’re resonant with so that we can receive the messages.

Johnny Burke: So now that we’ve got a pretty good explanation on that, can you tell us how you work with Angels and Guides with your clients?

Pam Aloia: I believe that when I work with clients, we are working with both of our angels and guides to get the clarity, the healing, the information, whatever it is that the person is there for together and getting it in the most concise, accurate manner for them to receive. So I don’t believe that it’s me working with the client. I feel like we’re bringing in the whole team of light and saying, okay, what does this person need based on their intention? We set the tone, we call them in from the very beginning. And a lot of times the angels or guides will bring verbal messages. They’ll bring in emotional calm or information to the client that I may not even be aware of. They can bring in different colors of light geometries, whatever it is that they need, they bring it in. I really believe that we probably only are aware of say, 30% of what they’re providing for us. And the other 70% would be things that we either can’t sense, don’t need to know.

Johnny Burke: How did you come up with the 30/ 70 distribution? Is that just a guess or just a gut feeling?

Pam Aloia: That’s this, this is the first time I came across it because I know that there’s a lot of times when, even in meditations if we’re clearing ourselves cuz we all have patterns. So, if we take some time to clear a pattern, it could take weeks, months, or years, depending on how ingrained that pattern is in us. There’s times when we have to create, we would have to let go of any other, how do I say this?

There’s certain agreements we may have made to have this pattern in our lifetime so we can learn from it or we can learn to let it go. In doing that, my experience has always been we don’t need to know everything. So sometimes we can just let that go, if we’re intending to let go of something that doesn’t serve us anymore because as humans, we tend to overanalyze everything, and the more information we have, sometimes it’s worse for us. So, I think, 30 to 50%. We don’t know what’s going on. We’re just letting it go energetically.

Johnny Burke: We may not need to know, those things. You mentioned agreements, this definitely does, conjure images or thoughts of the in-between space. Life between lives, in between incarnations. In your experience or with your clients, have you experienced that space?

Pam Aloia: Yes, definitely both with myself as well as, with my clients in the past life regression therapy sessions, we do, and I find it fascinating because it helps us understand some of the trials and tribulations we’re doing here. Some of the agreements we make are not always spiritual.

So, let’s say for instance, in a past life regression session, if we were dying in a past life and say we were dying because we were, being hanged because we stole something, but we didn’t steal anything, we were wrongfully accused by our friends. And we said to ourselves, we’re never trusting a soul again in our lives before we gave our last breath. So when we come into this lifetime, we’re all of a sudden the most distrusting person in the world. We don’t think that anybody can love us. We don’t think that anybody’s treating us correctly because we know they’re going to betray us at some point in time. So, these sort of agreements are things that are not helpful for us.

It could be a lesson for us, but sometimes we bring that on ourselves based on a prior experience.

Johnny Burke: One of the questions I’ve always had because I’ve had quite a few people talk about past lives and the in-between space. And invariably what comes up is that it’s like almost casting a movie on how they make the agreements. They basically take on role. So is it even possible to differentiate between someone who’s playing a role and someone who’s just being, just a lousy, poor human being? Free will. Is there a way to do that, or is that something we’ll just never know?

Pam Aloia: So, are you saying in our lifetime here, can we tell if, say your brother is playing a role versus your cousin playing just a not necessarily nice guy?

Johnny Burke: Actually, no, it’s a tricky question. Let me rephrase. Let’s you have some experiences here in this lifetime, which are not great. There’s a mix that there’s good and there’s bad. You get to the in-between space and you talk to guides or whoever is there.

Do you discover there what roles the soul family- the members had? If someone was supposed to give you a hard time as opposed to somebody who was not playing a role, and was just a mean person,; murderer, thief, or whatever, is there a way to really figure that out or do we even need to know?

Pam Aloia: In my experience, most of the time that we get to that space where we’re talking about who played what role, that is really all we talk about because those were the most important ones. If we weren’t learning that lesson, then everything else was kind of superfluous and not necessary to know. So I think it’s something we would worry about after the fact, if we’re getting the main gist of what that lifetime was presenting for us, then that’s sufficient. But I appreciate the question because now in my next sessions, I’m going to see if we can bring in some of the minor characters and see what happens. So thank you.

Johnny Burke: I’ve always been curious about that because this space is incredibly fascinating. The first time I heard that, I thought, this can’t be true, but invariably, whenever I talk to an experiencer or a practitioner like you, even though the details might vary a little bit, the mechanics are almost identical. You go there, you get a life review, which is not someone judging you. You’re basically judging yourself as if someone is asking, how do you think you did? Right? And then you take on a role and it’s like, casting a play. It might be a Shakespearean tragedy, it might not. And it’s for the good and the learning of everyone in the group, not just you.

Pam Aloia: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: It’s almost identical every time I hear someone try to explain what it’s actually like to be in the in-between space. So, when you first discovered this, how different was it from a past life experience or are they very similar?

Pam Aloia: How different was,

Johnny Burke: How different was the life between lives?

Pam Aloia: Oh, the life in between Oh, okay. Then the life itself, how different was it? you’re in a completely different space, obviously. When you’re experiencing the past life, you’re in it, you’re feeling the emotions. You are there, you’re not seeing anything beyond it. You’re bringing yourself right back into that space. So, it’s completely different because usually once we get into the in-between space, all the drama kind of falls away. You’re less stressed and you can see things a little more objectively than subjectively.

Johnny Burke: So that’s the difference. Okay. Yeah, that’s great. Can you tell us about some of your experiences or your client’s experiences in that space?

Pam Aloia: In the past life arena we’ve had quite a few interesting ones. So, I guess for myself, the example I used with the judgment piece was one of my past lives where I was wrongfully accused by my friends who I thought were my friends and I was hanged for something. So, judgment was definitely something, that I have come a long way on and in the importance of non-judgment because it’s important we’re all going through something different for our soul learning. The importance of non-judgment is pretty huge.

I’ve had some past lives where I was a Native American- two specifically. One was very interesting; all I needed to know from that lifetime was that me and my sister in that lifetime were just joyous and lovely. And so, we wound up growing altogether, but that sister in that lifetime is now a very dear friend of mine here, which is lovely.

Johnny Burke: I was just about to ask you that, what is it like if you recognize someone in this life that you’ve shared lives with before?

Pam Aloia: Oh, like you meet this person and all of a sudden everything clicks. Why do I get along so well with this person? I just met her for 20 minutes and we know each other’s life story. It’s a connection that doesn’t fade, I don’t think. But I also believe it is true for what role she was planning to play in this lifetime. Right? So maybe she was here, we’re both here to support each other. But say I had a friend or somebody else in a lifetime. And this time they decided, hey, we’re going to be that mean person. We’re going to marry you and treat you meanly and have you go through a divorce. You know? So, I don’t think it’s always our best friend in one lifetime’s going to carry through that way to the next, I think we all switch it up to play different roles.

Johnny Burke: It’s like in the movies, sometimes you’re the good guy and sometimes you’re not.

Pam Aloia: Yeah. I agree.

Johnny Burke: Great so, experiences in the in-between space for some of your clients; anything that was really, really interesting and, and had an impact on them as well afterwards?

Pam Aloia: I guess those two I could go into. One of the women who had a very, very strong reaction to her past life and her past life was that she was a Jewish child in World War ii, and she saw herself, we got to the point where she was in a mass grave. She hadn’t died yet, but she was in a mass grave. And one of her emotions was,’ I don’t understand. I did everything right. I said all my prayers, I did all the rituals. We were good people. ‘ All that kind of stuff. So it was very traumatic for her when we got out of it. We actually didn’t even get to this in-between lives but helped her understand some of the issues she had with religion and spirituality in this lifetime. I know that seems pretty even keel, but it was very deep and very profound for her. And just as we can have very deep and very profound experiences.

There was another woman who wanted to experience past life regressions. She was a little skeptical. And she goes,” I’m not sure I want to do this.” so we said, okay, “why don’t we set the intention that our first past life regression therapy session with you is going to be pretty benign. It’s going to be a life and death so that you feel comfortable with it.” And we did. She was dying in bed in this lifetime. And she could feel that she was dying. She said I could even smell the smell of decay a little bit before she was dying. And she said she wasn’t afraid. She was totally accepting of that death. And that touched her in such a way that we did more past life regression therapy sessions with her, but it also changed how she viewed her own death in this lifetime. thought that was kind of fascinating.

Johnny Burke: That does give people comfort that they’ve been through it before, which means they’re going to go through it again. This means, the obvious conclusion is, it doesn’t just end right here.

Pam Aloia: Exactly. Exactly.

Johnny Burke: Do you think though, and I’ve never asked anyone this question before, a practitioner that is, but do you think some people take offense to the idea of reincarnation and past lives? Because once they die, they just want to be done. They don’t want to be conscious?

Pam Aloia: Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. That’s part of it, and I think some people believe whatever their religion believes, and they don’t want to go against that for whatever fears they have around that. But yes, absolutely. Some people are like, why would I want to come back? Why would I want to come back? Heck, I, I have a client of mine who totally believes in past life aggression therapy sessions and she goes,” I hope I don’t come back after this one. I think I could be done.

Johnny Burke: It’s probably pretty common, but in your sessions- as we’re laughing,is it common for, you to walk your clients through a death at the end of every life?

Pam Aloia: That is our goal. And most of the time we do get there, but some of the time we don’t. And that’s fine.

Johnny Burke: How often do you go from there from one past life? What’s the trigger to go into the in-between space?

Pam Aloia: It usually flows very nicely if the client is willing to go that part. Sometimes we get to the place where, okay, what did I need to learn in that lifetime? And they’re good, they don’t want to know anymore. But I’m finding a lot of people want to know what was the plan? Why did we do it this way? Why did she have to come and do this? Why did he have to come and do this? The way I see it is that once we leave this life, we kind of go up into this little area where we meet our guides and everything, and then we go a little further up to say, okay, how did we plan on this? What’s the big orchestration going on?

Johnny Burke: So, it sounds like you’ve been doing this for a while, what do we have to do to keep from coming back here.? When I say to keep from coming back, I’m not saying consciousness ends. I’m saying we ascend, we go towards the light, or become more like light beings so we don’t have to reincarnate anymore. Do you have any insight into,

Pam Aloia: I have to say, I’m still figuring that one out. I would love to know if you find anything out, please, please let me know because there’s

Johnny Burke: Thanks, but I don’t have spiritual authority; I’m just a messenger. That’s all I can tell anyone. But I will definitely keep that in mind. So, at the beginning of the episode, you did mention something about 3d, when you talk about 3D the inevitable discussion is about 3D to 4D and 5D and beyond. What is, this journey, this path that you are on, what have you learned about ascension or going to the light or how we’re supposed to raise our vibe? Or is that even relevant to your path?

Pam Aloia: Raising the vibration is definitely relevant to the path, and I think that’s relevant to most folks who are on this path to raise the vibration for a number of things. One, to raise the vibration of ourselves. Then also raises the vibration for everyone around us. I believe that we can live our joy but there is a lot of contention around how we do that or why we would want to do that, or do we have the time to do that. So if we were to talk about dimensions, I think I get too mentally engrossed in the differences between the dimensions that I think it takes away some of the, purpose, I guess?

So, my focus has been more about, okay, how can I raise my vibration? Especially if you’re feeling low, how do you bring it up? If you’re already feeling high, how do you bring it even higher? Because to me, I believe that the evolution of humanity, is to bring that vibration up as high as we can, because if we are all vibrating at a higher rate, then life on Earth has to get better. We start living from the heart, we start treating each other better. We start having these experiences with what we call supernatural all the time. I believe that’s part of who we are, and It’s just that where we live in the vibration that we’re at keeps us from these experiences on an ongoing basis, like on a very regular basis.

Johnny Burke: What you just mentioned reminds me something about what many mediums do and other intuitives, do say. Typically, it’ll be something like, this isn’t a gift, everyone has it. It’s a little closer to the surface in some than others. Is it possible that we were once a very advanced civilization thousands and thousands of years ago where we lived in a fifth-dimension type civilization where telepathy was common? Did you get a glimpse of any of that in any of your past life experiences or that of your clients?

Pam Aloia: I have had, so I agree. I believe that we have had on some timeline on earth that we were all already in 5D and something happened where we weren’t, we fell to a lower vibration for whatever reasons. It could be for a learning portion of humanity, it could be for its mistakes that we’ve made. I’ve had a past life where I supposedly was on Atlantis and was right before things started going really bad. I just remember being in a stone temple. And for me, what I needed to get out of that, lifetime was that stones can be healing and how to use them and draw some of that information in.

I had a client come in too for a past life regression, and I don’t know if we ever determined which civilization it was from, whether it was from Atlantis, Lemuria, or something like that. But he drew something from that lifetime and pulled it into this lifetime for some work that he was doing with lasers and trajectory and things like that. He was an engineer. It was really fascinating. I was so excited. He was stoked when he left. He’s like, “This is fascinating!”

Johnny Burke: So cool. And you mentioned Lemuria, which I think, as far as I’ve been told, is supposed to be even older than Atlantis. One of the things I’ve always been curious about, do you have a visual memory of that, or is it just kind of like a dream that you had a long time ago? Do you remember what things looked like?

Pam Aloia: I do not. I do not. I just remember the feeling in that temple and how sacred it was and how normalized our abilities were, looking outside in, it was like, ‘oh my gosh, we could do this!’ And then just being okay with all the crystals and stones and how we worked with those things.

Johnny Burke: How long ago do you suppose that was? I know you can’t pinpoint a year, but a lot of people are curious.

Pam Aloia: I don’t know. I honestly don’t know. I don’t usually ask timelines, although I will say I had a past life regression therapy session with a history teacher once, and she spent a lot of time saying, “Wait a minute, what we’re wearing doesn’t match that.” So, she started like bringing her mental mind into, I’m like, wait a minute, wait a minute. Let’s do that afterward. Let’s get to the core part of your emotions here, you know? so I usually stay away fromit unless it comes up,

but I normally, uh, focus more on the emotional aspects. So, when I do past life regression therapy sessions, my goal is to help people eliminate or understand so that they can start to eliminate something that is keeping them or hindering them in this lifetime. So a lot of times you’ll go to, some meditations and say, ‘Oh, let’s just go to a past lifetime and see what it was like. ‘For me, I make sure that we have some sort of pointed, purpose. Okay. What do we need to let go of so you can feel freer, happier, and live life more fully?

Johnny Burke: So, it seems like this type of work can definitely have some therapeutic benefits.

Pam Aloia: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes, and it can be quite deep for some people, and it can just be quite fascinating for others, because everything is in our cellular memories and we just need to access it if we want, to get past certain things that we’ve carried on for whether lifetimes or even just into one lifetime.

Johnny Burke: What kind of advice do you have for someone who could be listening right now, and they’d like to be able to connect with their past loved ones? What are the dangers or what words of caution would you give them if they’re interested in doing that?

Pam Aloia: That’s a very good question because there’s a lot of information out there. There are a lot of people out there who could help guide you, but really follow your heart on what methods you want to use, and what people you want to connect with. There are a lot of safety protocols that I’ve put into place, from day one And I teach a class with a specific technique on how to connect with past loved ones. And there’s a whole setup you do to make sure that what you’re bringing in is of the light and that you’re comfortable with it. As soon as you’re not comfortable with it, it’s time to let it go. It’s just time to stop the session or change your space.

I’ll give an example; earlier on when I first started doing reiki, I’d say within the first five years of doing reiki, I was given a woman a session. Yeah, and it was interesting. I saw this figure walk in the door and sit down on the couch that was right next to the table, and it was a black energy and my mental body saying, something’s off, something’s off something, you got to get rid of this. But the energy was so calm and just sitting there, doing no harm. So about five or 10 minutes, I sat there, and I guess my mind got the better of me. And I said, ‘Listen, you need to leave. I’m very uncomfortable with you here.’ So, the being got up and left. I did a meditation afterward. I said, okay, what was that about? Who was that person? And that person was a friend of the person I was working on the table. And he wanted to come through because he saw the energy, he felt the light, and he wanted to know what we were doing because he thought it could help him.

So, from then on, I never judged being by the color of their energy. in fact, with certain clients, I’ll invite folks who are not as light to come in if they can learn from what we’re doing or be healed also by what we’re doing. I’ll invite them in, of course, a little off to the side so they’re not in our space, because I feel like we can uplift those folks as well.

So it’s really important to not judge a book by its cover because there are also some light beings who come through, you think they’re light and then you look past the light and they’re not so light. So there’s a whole thing of, I don’t like to use the word protection, but it is, you put an intention up there that you are safe and secure, and nothing but love and light is going to come through. So yes, I think it’s very important. It’s a good question to ask. Especially for folks beginning. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Right. So, anything else you can share about safety protocols? Because I’m sure there are a lot of curious folks out there, and I’ve heard quite a few cautionary tales saying, this is not for amateurs. And you must know what you’re doing. And protection is very, very important.

Pam Aloia: It is, it is, there’s lots of ways you can do that. You can bring in light, you can say a prayer, and you can ask angels for help. There are crystals that can assist too. I think you don’t always need to have an actual crystal with you. You can ask for the energy of the crystal to be with you. There’s music, there’s sage, there’s tons of things that you can do.

I actually wrote a book during the pandemic because I could see with all the contention going on and the controversy, there was so much anger and so much emotion that I wrote a book called The Daily Cloak. It’s an energetic guide for clearing and protecting, so you keep yourself clear so you’re not absorbing other people’s stuff. And, then you’re also protecting yourself. So once you clear, you keep your space sacred, you have to do that on a regular basis. So, there’s other books out there, other websites, and things like that that can help out with that too, but there’s tons of ways you can do that.

Johnny Burke: Good information to know and I think that information can’t get out there quickly enough because I have a feeling that a lot of people are getting involved with things that they have no idea what they’re fooling around with. Pamela, thanks so much for joining us. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Pam Aloia: You can find me on my website, which is PamelaAloia.com. I’m also on Facebook as Pamela Aloia author, and on LinkedIn as the same. Pamela, Aloia author.

#126 Channeling and Past Lives with Birgitta Visser

June 17, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Channeling, Past Lives

#annunaki, #ascendedmasters, #Atlantis, #birgittavisser, #channeling, #duality, #lightconfigurator, #lordkuthumi, #rosicrucians, #saintgermain, #sirryberndsen, #survivingdeath

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Birgitta Visser(@universallightwarriors). She is a soul empowerment coach, light configurator, and author of the forthcoming book Becoming Authentically. Today, we’ll be talking about how she’s a courier for those who wish to convey their messages across the veil. Birgitta, welcome to the show.

Birgitta Visser: All right. Thanks Johnny. Thanks for having me.

Johnny Burke: So Courier, for those who wish to convey their messages across the veil, I imagine that is a label for a channel. Is that correct?

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, that’s correct.

Johnny Burke: Okay. That’s the first time I’ve heard someone use that description as a courier, as if you’re carrying something.

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, I’m like a bike messenger, and I say that because I’m Dutch and the Dutch love to ride the bikes, so that’s why I say I’m a bike messenger, a career between the here and there.

Johnny Burke: what is a light configurator?

Birgitta Visser: it’s really all about, it’s actually all in the wording. So light configurator is, how do I put that? It’s about configuring the light, configuring the darkness back to the light within. That’s basically what it is.

Johnny Burke: Does that have anything to do with the duality that we live in? light and dark?

Birgitta Visser: We live in such rapidly transformational times. It’s almost like it’s sped up in the last couple of months.

Johnny Burke: That might that be due to current events or is it more like something that’s happening in the background?

Birgitta Visser: Oh, I don’t keep up with the news. I don’t have a tv. I don’t keep up with all the illusion of the news. That’s oof, that’s too much chaos for me. and as you know, I work with the ascended masters and especially the ascended Masters Saint Germain. And as he always says, everything is an illusion. Right.

We see the heroes. The heroes are portrayed as villains and the villains are portrayed as the heroes in the media. So we live very much in this upside-down world. But maybe the world is the right side up.

Johnny Burke: Mm-hmm.

Birgitta Visser: You know, it’s very much Alice in Wonderland. They always make reference to that.

Johnny Burke: That’s a very interesting point, and that makes me think of discussions we’ve had in the past on the show about life in between lives- that space where soul contracts and basically roles are accepted, assigned, and so on, where we come down here to often play roles. Is that- okay, so that is pretty much on point.

Birgitta Visser: That is very much on point.

Johnny Burke: Very, very, very interesting. Great stuff, so how did you find yourself on this path? Learning the channel being a, like configurator. and also, learning about ascended masters, which you just mentioned.

Birgitta Visser: I went through a lot of trauma in my life and we’ve all gone through difficult experiences except I did not remain a victim, so to speak. I was abused as a kid. I starved myself. I was assaulted in the modeling industry. I lost my dad when I was 14. and that dented my self-confidence. And I lost my stepdad when I was 25. And then I had a short stint with drugs. I was in a very dysfunctional relationship because I didn’t heal myself until I started my healing journey in about 2009. I did research and I rolled into reiki, and I think that really, that really helped me.

Johnny Burke: Question about, trauma. I’ve been told several times that here on the show that if you are able to heal trauma, healing trauma for some people increases their psychic abilities.

Birgitta Visser: Yes.

Johnny Burke: So that is true.

Birgitta Visser: Absolutely. And there’s a very simple formula for that. It’s really the more you get rid of the trauma and the more you heal. I always say the more you hug it out with yourself, and you forgive yourself, and, and if you want others and you return to that love of yourself, you lose weight.
Right? You become far more enlightened because you just lose it and it’s, it’s almost like this negative energy dissipates, so it’s very true. You become a lot clearer.

Johnny Burke: Maybe there’s a reason that some of us actually go through the trauma.

Birgitta Visser: Yes,

Johnny Burke: And sometimes it’s planned, as in pre-birth planning, which is amazing. I’ve heard so many descriptions that are nearly identical, and it just boggles the mind because people think when they hear this, how could this horrible thing be planned?

Birgitta Visser: Yep.

Johnny Burke: I’m just going on what I’ve been told here is that it’s for the greater good of the soul group, you and or them, for everyone to learn. So, since I just mentioned that- the soul group that is, you had mentioned ascended masters, I’ve heard about what that is. Can you tell us a little bit more about how you discovered them and how you learned to communicate with them?

Birgitta Visser: Wow. I’ve known about them. Oh gosh. many, many, many years. And I used to read the angel cards, gosh, starting early two thousands. When I was 21 and I was living out in Germany, I did communicate with the ascended master Saint Germain, and he took me up to this mountain retreat. And I’m telling you, Johnny, it was full of amethyst crystal. I have no idea where it was, but it was everywhere. And it was so calming. You could just lie down, or you could just sit there and absorb that energy. And that was the first time that I had known of the ascended masters, Saint Germain.

Then life took over. And then when I learned to channel properly, this was in 2016, I attended a workshop on divine channeling and Alania Star Hook, who was my mentor at the time. She did a meditation for the whole group and I was just sitting somewhere, somewhere outside the circle because I am like that. I like to sit on my own and. She counted to three. I have no idea where I went. And when she counted back to three, half an hour later, I was back in the room. Now everyone had these amazing stories and visions. They saw the ascended masters, the arch angels, got messages, saw colors, everything. And I saw Nada, nothing.

I was really upset, and nobody saw me cry because I was wiping the tears away really quickly. But Alani had, when she started, she did one exercise and she had a, a notepad and a pen, and she sat down and she said, the spirit, I am ready to receive. And that’s how she started channeling.

I’m just writing. So I took that on board and I went home and I did that exact same exercise. And I think because I was so exasperated also because of everything that had gone in, in my life at that point in time because I was trying to get away from a dysfunctional relationship. And I just started writing then I looked down and I was like, oh my gosh, because partially it was like in prose and old English

Johnny Burke: did you say old English?

Birgitta Visser: yes. Old

Johnny Burke: like O L D E, English, like Okay. Yeah, 18 hundreds, 17hundreds..

Birgitta Visser: There was like ‘thy’ and ‘thou’ and a lot of prose, and I was like, oh, and I was sitting there, and I was just honestly crying tears of joy. And so that’s when I started to do it every single day. But I just asked questions and then I got the response. And then I started using the cards where I just pull a card, whether it was an ascended master, or an arch or it didn’t matter. And rather than looking it up on Google, I just sat with the energy, and I asked if they had a message for me or if there were any past lives. And so that was really, really interesting. but you really have to just, just like when you go to the gym, and you want to work on yourself. You don’t do it once, and then it’s like, okay, it’s done. You really have to keep practicing.

Johnny Burke: A repetition. So you mentioned, you had actually had an encounter with St. Germain.

Birgitta Visser: Yes.

Johnny Burke: Now the skeptics, they’re going to say, okay, cool. That sounds really wonderful. How did you know it was in this case Saint Germain or any of the ascended masters for that matter?

Birgitta Visser: I knew because if the energy, I don’t know how to explain that. Yes, they show themselves, they have different forms, of course, but I knew that when I saw him in those robes when I was 21 years old. I knew that it was the Ascended Master Saint Germain. I’ve not only met him, but I’ve also met Esther Sharan, Sharon or Sharan, however you pronounce it. Commander or the captain of the galaxies, as I always call him. Or star command. That was amazing at the time.

Johnny Burke: It would appear that that was the start of your journey channeling. Right? You seem to have met and encountered many different types of beings, Pleidians, Venusians, Annunaki. Tell us a little bit about that and what that was like and how it actually happened.

Birgitta Visser: That’s quite funny how that happened. For the Annunaki, I didn’t ask about that. They just, boom! They just came through and I just asked them,’ well, who are you?’ And so they told me. And that story is very, very interesting. I know there are many, many books out there. I haven’t read them because when you read these books, you get influenced, and that’s something that I didn’t want. And it was very, very interesting. Annunaki have evolved in consciousness tremendously over the last probably millions and millions of years. when we go,

Johnny Burke: You said millions of years. Okay. And what was their purpose? Were they trying to enslave humans?

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, that’s what people always say.

Johnny Burke: Right. That’s what the books say. Right? Yeah. I don’t know what to think.

Birgitta Visser: I don’t think it was just that the Annunaki, you have the Draconians, you have Reptilians. I met them before as well and not all are bad. But there were galactic wars billions of years ago. If we want to talk about time. You’ve also got, I call them the felines for some reason. And they were very peaceful, but they were attacked. Planets were annihilated. They were nuked. Do you think nuclear technology is new? No, it’s ancient technology. Come on.

Johnny Burke: That’s not the first time I’ve heard that, by the way. I’ve heard that before.

Birgitta Visser: Yeah. And so even the Annunaki, there was fighting amongst them. Yes, they created the human species, but they weren’t the only ones because when you take the word human apart, you get you, which is you is light. And man so we are light man. We are the light within, we are walking light man.

Johnny Burke: Right. It’s so cool. I’ve never heard that. What does that have to do with light beings?

Birgitta Visser: We are starseeds. We encapsulate light within our human bodies. Without these bodies, we could not breathe the air. We could not evolve on this planet. But the Annunaki were not the only ones. Because I believe we carry about 23 different strands. And so there were others that were involved. You’ve got the Pleiadeans, the Venusians, and many other beings, the Syrians of course. So it’s really amazing. We’re amazing beings, but we just don’t see it. We’ve been dumbed down so much, but we are capable of incredible things and we’re here to return to a love for ourselves and others. But not only that, we are alchemists.

We are alchemical beings. What I mean by that is, in the Renaissance times, when the Alchemist turned led to gold, it was really about transformation. Transformation of the soul, of letting go of the heaviness within our experiences and transforming that healing and returning to a lighter state of being. That’s what it’s about. And it’s not only that, but we’re also here to learn to manipulate the energies and to understand the energies, to understand that we are manifestors in everything that we do and what we create because we create our lives and the energy corresponds, what we vibe out is exactly what we vibe back in.

Johnny Burke: You get what you give, that type of thing. Okay. I know this might be a question for another day, but I’m going to ask anyway. Knowing what you know, why are we here on earth; what’s the point?

Birgitta Visser: Oh, to evolve, to return to a love for ourselves, to remove the heaviness and to help one another, returning back home.

that’s in a nutshell. But there you get a lot of other questions.

Johnny Burke: Right. that might be an entirely different episode. Because there’s quite a few rabbit holes in this content to say the very least. Now we’re talking about earth and the galactic arena, or the galactic realm. You’ve had past lives both earthly and Galactic. I’ve not heard too much about the galactic sort. Can you tell us what that’s like and how it’s different from an earthly past life, if at all?

Birgitta Visser: Totally different.

Johnny Burke: Mm-hmm.

Birgitta Visser: Totally different. I cannot even describe a galactic fleet to you. If we look at Star Trek, it’s kind of like that, but even Star Trek is a little bit dinosaur, but then every sci-fi movie has an element of truth in it. It’s not just imagination. There’s an element of truth in it. I think that’s fabulous, but. many of the other beings are not as dense. like we are in our human embodiment, so to speak. It’s very hard to explain. I have been on one of these fleets and one of these ships, I can’t even describe the technology on it. the very sleek design. I can’t even describe it.

Johnny Burke: Our brains might explode.

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, and it’s not only that, Johnny, there are so many different beings. It’s not just the Syrians, the Venusians, the Pleiadeans but there are millions, millions. of other beings. I’ve seen what I call squid heads. They’re also amazing ELOs. When I do my channel, my light language, I work a lot with the aquatics as I call them, which are from the Syrian star belts. and there are too many, some of them, they look like they’ve got fish heads, but it’s not quite like that. I can’t even describe them. Or I see others that are smaller and very furry, they’re blue. It’s fascinating.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that many of us have had galactic past lives?

Birgitta Visser: Yes. absolutely, and they are not even

Johnny Burke: aware of it.

Birgitta Visser: Yes, not aware of it, but some of us may have been in galactic wars. I’ve been in galactic wars, and I’ve been killed many a time, you know? but time out there, I always say time is an illusion. So here it’s like we’re in this bubble. For us, a hundred years for them could be a year for instance. I can’t put my finger on that, but it’s like just a snapshot in time.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard time as an illusion, from quite a few people who have been on the show before, as if certain past lives are. Or basically everything, is happening all at once. So a past life, according to some speakers, the intuitives or mystics, is not really so much past, but it’s like a parallel life. Do you find the same thing?

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, we are multidimensional beings. So we exist simultaneously. I try to wrap my head around it sometimes, and it’s just like, yeah, but I exist in the now here. Yeah, but you also exist on different planes. Which is true, I, I understand it, but I’m like, yeah, but I’m still here.

Johnny Burke: you apparently had some experiences, in your past lives that go. Back quite a ways. I’m always curious to know what some of the oldest memories are you have in terms of past lives?

Birgitta Visser: well, of course the galactic,

Johnny Burke: Earthly, earthly past

Birgitta Visser: The earthly, I’ve got to go to the back, to the beginning of time,
and that is, let me skip one of them. It’s in my book. but I’ve lived in Atlantis, I’ve lived in Lemuria but I remember Atlantis more. I’ve been to an Aztec. I’ve lived my life as one of the royals in France. I’ve lived in the Middle Ages. I’ve just kept on going, but one of my Aztecs was Nimal Nimrod, and, Nimrod was, as they said, the creator of the tower of, um, .

Johnny Burke: It’s not the Tower of Babel, is it?

Birgitta Visser: Yes, it is. It’s so vastly misconstrued. And actually he was a giant, very hairy and he was a giant. Everything in history has been misinterpreted on purpose. And was he evil? No, he wasn’t evil. Did he make mistakes? Of course he’d make mistakes, but he was hybrid, and he was there to help humanity. And when we talk about the Tower of Babel, it’s really about where the ego crept in and that separation crept in and everything got lost in translation because people didn’t live from the heart anymore. That is the difference. That’s what it is about. There’s nothing left of Babylon, just like there is nothing left of ancient Egypt, nothing.

Johnny Burke: Right. Okay. Going back to Atlantis for a moment. I’m dying to know this. So, first of all, you have no doubt that Atlantis existed because apparently you and probably many of us had past lives there.

Birgitta Visser: Yep.

Johnny Burke: What did the architecture look like? Are there any illustrations that are accessible that can show us ?it’s one of the things I’ve been curious about forever.

Birgitta Visser: How we currently build and structure our homes is very dinosaur compared to these amazing what you call ancient, actually futuristic cities that were built because everything was built according to the lay lines of the land, right? Everything was done in harmony with the earth. People don’t care these days, they just boom.! They just build wherever.

And I think that’s such a big difference. Atlantis was built on what I call a crystal grid, but they also use crystalline energy. People don’t use that today because, oh wait, governments can’t make money from that. And in that way, we are very much enslaved because, there’s only 1% that ruled the world. And even though not everyone is awake, which is okay because we all awaken in our own timing. Humanity has been enslaved. Our soul was not designed to live this way.

Johnny Burke: One of the reasons I bring that up is because I’ve heard a lot of converging theories about Atlantis and the fall of Atlantis and why it happened. And I think you just touched on this. We stopped living from the heart where greed and avarice kind of took over, which if you could actually put consciousness on a chart and give it a mathematical value, you would see it starting to go down at some point. Is that a reasonable explanation?

Birgitta Visser: Yeah, absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Okay. And they were more advanced, not only the technology, but consciousness-wise. There have been those people that would say we were living in a fifth dimension, society where like, things like, telepathy was

Birgitta Visser: Yeah,

Johnny Burke: completely normal.

Birgitta Visser: it was, and kids were schooled according to their abilities. So some would say, would become like a farmer or a priest or a priestess, or learn about herbs. It was all about their abilities and what they were good at. Here we just go to school, and we get these subjects. Within the Atlanteans because due to the sons of Belial, they made hybrids, half animals, half, humans like the the minotuars and the minotuars by the way, beautiful creatures. Yeah, they did exist.

Johnny Burke: So in other words, the ancient art of Egypt, which depicts half human animals and hybrids, that wasn’t a fiction, that actually happened?

Birgitta Visser: Yeah. So many of the Atlanteans started to rebuild their lives in Tibet. I think in the South Americas and in ancient Egypt. Now, how do I explain what they look like? They were incredibly intelligent, incredibly light and tall, they were not half-breeds. That was just the masks that they wore. They call it retractable masks. , I don’t even know what kind of metal that was. It’s very, very light. But underneath it, when you see them, they were kind of translucent.

Johnny Burke: Like a light. Like a light being almost,

Birgitta Visser: absolutely. Just amazing because when they went to Egypt to rebuild society, what they found there were no mans, and that was very, very different. And so they educated these people, but nothing is left of ancient Egypt. I mean, look at the pyramids. Do you really think, Johnny that these were tombs? No, these were energy transponders,, and they were gold caps

Johnny Burke: Like the ones in Mexico. I’ve been to the pyramids in Mexico

Birgitta Visser: Oh, wow.

Johnny Burke: They’re there for a reason. My guess is, it has something to do with an energy grid and what you just explained about how the Atlanteans migrated to certain areas like the South Americas and Tibet and, and other places. I’m probably not even aware of. These pyramids show up all over the world.

Birgitta Visser: Yes, they do. Yeah. It’s baffling to me that scientists are trying to figure out how the pyramids were built. Yes, it was gravitation and it wasn’t just humans. It was other light beings, other star seeds that helped with that because life was very different back then. Many other species, if you want to call it that, they intermingled. But what do we know now? We’ve been dumped down so much that we think, oh, aliens, oh, well, wait a minute, actually, we’re the aliens because we’ve alienated ourselves from our brothers and sisters up there.

Johnny Burke: Good point. I remember one of my early interviews with a medium, named Sirry Berndsen. she was affiliated with the Forever Family Foundation and they were actually in the Netflix special Surviving Death. She had an experience with what she called a star being. Because I had used the word alien like many people do, and she said they don’t like being called that because alien means apart, and they are not apart from us. And I’m hearing that more and more . In sum, people waking up, you mentioned this at the very top of the episode where there has been a transformation accelerating. Is that part of ascension? Is that part of coming out of the Piscean Age and moving to something different? Or what is it exactly ?

Birgitta Visser: Yes. It has to do with that. It has to do with the planets actually. And that’s why everything’s accelerating now. I think we came out of the Aquarian Age and it’s, isn’t it Saturn in Pisces right now?

Johnny Burke: I believe the progression as far as I’ve been told is coming out of the Piscean age and moving into the Aquarian age. I don’t know whether that’s already started or if it’s going to be in the near future or I have no idea.

Birgitta Visser: No, it, it has already started because it started earlier this year. Yes, it did. So it’s Saturn, the planet of commitment and of discipline. That’s that planet. Yeah. And it entered Pisces, and it did that in February of this year, and I think it will last till 2026. The other problem that we’re having is that Neptune is involved and Neptune kind of muddies the waters a little bit because Neptune is the planet of doubt, confusion, deception, and that fogginess in the head. And that is actually a good thing because, with this acceleration at the moment, it makes people think about things.

Things are starting to resurface quicker, and you cannot suppress these emotions. You can’t whack all these emotions back into its little pot because somewhere this dis-ease within your body will come out, so heal it. Because that is very, very important. If you want to improve your life, you have to deal with these emotions, with this trauma that is coming up and it’s bubbling up to the surface.

Johnny Burke: I think you explained that quite well and because I think there’s always been a lot of confusion about why this transformation is happening now. One last question. I’m not sure if this has a lot to do with what we’ve been talking about or not, but I’ve always wanted to ask you, because you mentioned this before; the Rosicrucians. Why is the history of the Rosicrucians relevant, or is that a topic for another day?

Birgitta Visser: So my dad was a Rosicrucian, and I did know that, but I did not know what that entailed .Because in the 1980s there was no Google, right? Everything was done via, via the mill. So got sent modules every week, or it was every month he got sent a module and I had no idea what it was about. And the Rosicrucians, they stem from Atlantis, and ancient Egypt. And it’s all about transformation. The ascended master Saint Germain as LeCompte Saint Germain when he was living in France, of course he was a Rosicrucian. Abraham Lincoln was a Rosicrucian. There were many, many Rosicrucians and many of them were murdered. I think Thomas Edison was one. Albert Einstein

Johnny Burke: So they are.

Birgitta Visser: Leonardo da Vinci.

Johnny Burke: Would you say they were ascended masters?

Birgitta Visser: So in human form. Of course they were Rosicrucians like the ascended master Saint Germain, of he’s an ascended master now. One in ancient Egypt, one of the pharaohs set up the mystery schools. He is Lord Kuthumi ,also an ascended master now. But many of the ascended masters have lived many, many lifetimes in order to ascend and to understand love and to understand life, because you can sum it up in one word; why are we here? To love and to return to a love for ourselves? And I think that’s very, very important because once we love ourselves. We can love others and accept them the way they are, and we would embrace one another and not see a difference because there is no difference between any of us and the world will be oh my gosh, the world will be a better place.

Johnny Burke: Another thing I’ve heard a lot lately is when you talk about separation, separation is an illusion. Is that true?

Birgitta Visser: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: I think that’s a good note to end on for everyone to remember. Anything else we need to know or might we have to have a part two?

Birgitta Visser: It’s always good to have a part two, it’s so important to live your life authentically and return to the authentic nature of yourself, as they call it. The wholesome, the awesome, authentic nature of yourself. It’s so, so important. Why choose to be someone else because you’ll make your life more difficult.

Just be yourself in everything that you do. And that’s hard because many people wear different masks. Ditch the mask and just be yourself. We’re not in this bold masquerade anymore. It’s time to ditch that that 3D consciousness and shift shifted at 5D mindset.

Johnny Burke: There you go, to be continued. Brigita, thanks so much for joining us today. Very entertaining, very, very educational. How can our listeners learn more about you online?

Birgitta Visser: Through my website, which is powersoul healing.com

#90 Wajid Hassan: The True History of Mankind

October 8, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Ancient Civilizatons

#ageofaqaurius, #Atlantis, #cosmicconsciousness, #cosmicmasters, #drgeorgeking, #kundalini, #lemuria, #maldek, #reincarnation, #theninefreedoms, #yogimasters

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Wajid Hassan. He’s an actor, healer, and author of The Struggle For World Sanity. Today, we will be talking about ancient civilizations, the true history of mankind, as well as what the future holds .Wajid, welcome to the show.

Wajid Hassan: Hey, good to see you again, johnny. Appreciate it.

Johnny Burke: I should say, welcome back to the show. The last episode , was very good, very well received. And, I’ve got a lot of interesting emails, from our listeners asking questions about Dr. King, which we’re going to touch upon today. Now we talk about the true history of mankind, the conventional wisdom and history books describe the earliest civilizations were about five to 7,000 years ago. We’ve also heard stories of Atlantis but that may be just a myth- or is it?

Wajid Hassan: Well, the real true history of mankind has not been revealed except my Yogi master, Dr. George King, went into deep meditation, projected from his body and had the chance to read what’s called the Akashic Records of earth. Similar to if a psychic looks at your aura, they can see your past and your present and maybe your future as well. It’s the same concept that the mother earth is a living being has a aura. And those in advanced states can achieve these advanced states of projection.

Dr. King wasn’t unique; there’s many Yogi adepts in India and Tibet and other places that have done the same as well, but he revealed the true history of mankind in his book, The Nine Freedoms and, it’s actually fascinating, but at the same time, it’s very shocking and it goes back 18 million years. What my Yogi master said was whenever he stood up on a platform, he had a technical oath before his creator, his higher power that he would speak the truth. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction, The history of mankind is vague. Like you said, they’re going back 5,000, but they haven’t really seen it in the way that that the Yogi masters see in full dimensional, uncolored, totally open, history.

So he mentioned that we’re actually not from this earth. We were actually a resident on a planet, uh, orbiting between Jupiter and Mars, known as Maldek in The Nine Freedoms, he mentioned that we were actually a very advanced race .

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the Akasha records. Can you give us a brief synopsis of what the records are and how it works?

Wajid Hassan: a Yogi master can look at your aura and see the imprints of all your previous lives. And it’s the same thing with the mother earth she has an aura, and those who are advanced in the occult sciences and metaphysics, I guess you could call it like a super computer that holds, every aspect of the history of the planet . Any extraterrestrial that goes to any planet can read the aura of that planet and know everything about that planet. So these are things that I believe are beyond science fiction. I believe they’re beyond the grasp of the materialistic scientists who have yet to discover other realms, other higher dimensions.

They say what the Yogi talks about today, the scientist reveals 500 years later. So, I would listen to the more advanced Yogi master than I would to any scientist who just sticks to the physical realm. And the physical realm is just a small aspect of creation.

Johnny Burke: I had that kind of discussion with someone just a few days ago. We talked about science and discoveries and so on. And I thought, I think the intuitives are going to be well ahead of the scientists in terms of discovering the metaphysical world. And I think it’s interesting that you mentioned the history goes back millions of years. I had a woman on the show a few days ago she talks about, Remembering past lives in Atlantis and in other ancient civilizations. Of course, I’ll always ask.

So how long ago do you think that was? And she said ” well, this might stretch your imagination, but it could be 20 million years ago.” We’re talking about Atlantis, Lemuria and all those other worlds. Do you think those civilizations could have been actually that old?

Wajid Hassan: Dr. King mentioned Atlantis, was about a hundred thousand years ago. He didn’t talk too much about the civilization Lemuria, but it probably was far more distant than that. The shocking aspect of our history is that Maldek was destroyed, by anatomic. explosion as was Lemuria and Atlantis were destroyed by atomic warfare. So this is the fourth time that mankind has again opened up the Pandora’s box of atomic warfare. And based on just even recent things, it could go into another nuclear Holocaust. So it’s important for us to be aware of these things and not let history repeat itself.

Johnny Burke: Very, very true. As you mentioned before, the scientists are years behind the Yogi Adepts and the other seers. Tell us about your time studying with Dr. King, what he learned from these ancient civilizations.

Wajid Hassan: I believe that he wasn’t part of the terrestrial civilization. I believe he was from a different world in a different dimension. And he came here to teach. But he came with a warning to mankind, to not again, regress. And, like he mentioned in The Nine Freedoms that Maldek was destroyed by atomic explosion, and we are remnants of that race. It was an advanced civilization. He said that technology wise, he said that robots controlled all aspects of civilization. So the people could control the weather. They had an abundance of food and they kind of lived in utopia.

The Bible mentions Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, it’s a bit of a fair story, but it has a very strong, moral parable to the fact that we were in the garden, Eden and regressed out of the garden Eden after the destruction of Maldek . Fortunately for us, the mother earth being a compassionate, advanced goddess allowed, these remnants of atomic mutation to eventually reincarnate upon her body.

After millions of years, the civilization of Lemuria did rise and fall under the great flood. It’s been known scientifically that the earth has tilted on her axis twice. And that happened after the atomic destruction of Lemuria, where Lemuria went under and then the same again with Atlantis.

And so, we stand at a crossroads today. We can go into regression and start another atomic war. But the difference this time is that we will not be allowed, to reincarnate if we do start an atomic, Holocaust. We will probably be taken to another younger planet in this solar system, which was revealed by Dr. King in the fifties and the scientists laughed at him. Then in the sixties and seventies, they said, “oh yeah, there’s a possibility of this planet on the other side of the solar system.” So we stand on a crossroads now where the mother earth is raising her vibrations . Matter is being spiritually elevated. And either we change on a spiritual level, or we will not be allowed to stay on this planet. And only those who can keep the vibrations, their spiritual vibrations on this high level will be allowed to stay and enjoy. This is the message of hope. Enjoy a new Dawn of a new age, which is soon to, to become in the next few centuries on planet Earth

Johnny Burke: We’ve all had lots of discussions about reincarnation. I’ve had speakers come on the show and talk about how some of us will reincarnate onto other worlds, because that’s going to be the best possible outcome for us. But this is the first time I’ve heard someone say mother earth is actually making the decision to not only raise her vibe, but basically expel those that do not raise their vibe. Am I right?

Wajid Hassan: She’s not expelling anybody. She was told by highest forces and on July the eighth, 1964, she received a tremendous initiation, where tremendous spiritual energies were sent into her and she’s holding these energies at bay. So she’s kind of been ordered by the higher cosmic hierarchy to rise in the heavens. She’s been holding back her evolution just to keep this crazy micro call man on her body for the last 18 million years. But there comes an end to the suffering of. any entity, even if it’s humanoid or a planet like mother earth. And so she is actually not shaking anybody off her back.

It’s up to us if we are going to enjoy this new millennium is to conform to the higher vibrations and in mercy , those who can’t, the war mongers and the murderers and the polluters will be taken to this other planet to start the reincarnation cycle and the bloody history that they created.

A lot of these changes like the ice caps melting and the ionosphere coming down is a small part of carbon emissions. A lot of it is actually to do to this great change that’s occurring now on planet earth.

Johnny Burke: In our last talk, we talked about cosmic masters, cosmic beings, and how they’re connected with these ancient civilizations. . How is Maldek related to if at all to races or entities like the Arcturians or the Syrians or several other types of these beings, is there a relation or are they completely different?

Wajid Hassan: Well, I think a lot of people are being deluded by having these contacts with Pleiadeans and Arcturians. I think there’s part of our memory that remembers us as space travelers, remembers usas advanced beings. The beings that contacted Dr. King were actually from this solar system. He mentioned that all the planets in this solar system are inhabited on higher dimensions by these civilizations. They actually physically saw the destruction of Maldek and they saw the destruction of Lemuria. They’ve been monitoring us for millions of years and they have seen the destruction of Atlantis. Now they come with this warning again, that we’ve opened up Pandora’s box and we’re ready to destroy ourselves again. They’ve warned us in these critical times to cooperate with the divine laws, send out healing, send out power and change the world through the release of energy of love instead of this destructive mode.

We’re known as a very savage primitive war -like race, and they’re trying as much as possible to save us from our own destruction, but they can only advise at this time. They can’t openly come and save us- it’s up to us. Because we created our own history. They karmically cannot intervene. The only intervention that they can do is beam spiritual energy through us for us to radiate out. That’s the only solution that’s going to fix. The problem that we’re in right now, is a spiritual release of power to transmit the hate and all the terrible things are occurring.

Right.

Johnny Burke: What about those of us who consciously want to raise our vibration.? when we finally die here- and we all will on earth, does that mean we’re probably going to come back here, or could it be possible that we’re going to reincarnate on other worlds?

Wajid Hassan: I don’t know about other worlds, but I will say another world. I don’t think there’ll be different worlds. I Dr. King mentioned in The Nine Freedoms, and the cosmic masters have also mentioned that we’re only here on earth for one reason. That’s to raise our consciousness to the point where we can raise, the mystical power of Kundalini and go into these deep states of cosmic consciousness and eventually Ascension where we can eventually evolve and go on to higher dimensions and higher planets. That’s our heritage. What’s occurring right now is not our, Heritage’s, just something that we’ve created. We can’t blame God or any divine being for that. It’s our own mess.

And so, the cosmic beings have said that there is a planet in this solar system, it’s on the other side of the sun from where the earth is. So it’s not visible but based on their calculations of the gravity pool exerted by Neptune and Uranus that this planet is there. They say it’s about 10 times the size of this earth. And the cosmic beings have said that that is the planet that those who won’t be able to survive these high vibrations will be reincarnated upon this planet.

Johnny Burke: That planet almost sounds like an Australia of sorts. it’s like you’re rounding up all the ne’er-do-wells and kind of dropping them off and saying “off you go.” Is it something like that or?

Wajid Hassan: I don’t think karma punishes; I think karma teaches. This will be in mercy because they won’t be able to withstand the spiritual vibrations of mother earth. Only those who can will be allowed to stay, I don’t think they will judge any particular race or religion or humanoid. They will just judge based on positive or negative. So if you have that positive vibration and align yourself with the higher vibrations of mother earth, you’ll be allowed to stay. It’s not a punishment. It’s not Australia. It’s just an aspect of divine law, I guess.

Johnny Burke: Well, it sounds like they’re being held back a grade because they need to learn. And you’re right. I think it is only fair. Another question I’ve had, this has been coming up a lot. A lot of people that have been on the show and they remember past lives in Atlantis, like the woman I just described as well as Lemuria. They are telling me that many people that are alive today had past lives in one of them or both places. Why do you suppose that? Is, does that have something to do with Ascension or something that the planet needs?

Wajid Hassan: All of us were on Maldek. All of us were on Lemuria , there’s nobody who wasn’t. All of us were in Atlantis.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that.

Wajid Hassan: Yeah, so there wasn’t any particular special person that was in Atlantis. The whole human race from the Aborigines , the Eskimos, to the African tribes to the Russians- any aspect of the mankind, we were all part of these three civilizations. So, a lot of people are having past life experiences and they recall being in advanced states, so they confuse ’em with being connected to other planets outside of the galaxy or Pleaidians or Arcturians, but really all they’re just remembering is that civilization of Maldek, Lemuria and Atlantis.

We need to focus on what’s happening in our solar system. There’s this vague, silly theory that the cosmic beings are suddenly going to come and rescue us. They’re not going to rescue us. They didn’t rescue us when we blew up Maldek ,or when we destroyed Lemuria and Atlantis because we did it ourselves. They’re not in the position to come and rescue us, but if we look up to them and cooperate with them on a spiritual level, they can in many ways intervene and help us, but we have to make them move first.

Johnny Burke: It’s basically on us. Okay. Because I have heard people that some of these cosmic beings, they’re not going to intercede on our behalf until the situation becomes so dire that the preservation of the planet is in question, but you’re saying that’s not true.

Wajid Hassan: They won’t intervene in mankind’s war. And I agree with them that if they try to harm mother earth, then they will intervene on behalf of mother earth because a cosmic hierarchy has said that only one planet in this solar system was allowed to be destroyed. But the mother earth herself will not be allowed to be destroyed by mankind. If it means destroying the whole of civilization to save mother earth, they may have to do that. She’s more important millions of times more than the whole of mankind combined because of a evolutionary status.

These are some of the stark realities and not the wishful, nice ,condensing theories that people have forward. They’ve said it’s it’s going to be hard work to change the situation on this planet. And the hard work is rolling up our spiritual sleeves and sending out the power and being of service to each other. That’s not a popular motive these days because everybody’s into their own thing.

Johnny Burke: Let’s talk about disclosure. I know that’s a bit of a thorny topic, but what are your thoughts on that?

Wajid Hassan: in regard to?

Johnny Burke: Why is it happening? Why hasn’t it happened before? Why is it slowly starting to be revealed now? Is there an agenda that we need to know about ? It seems to be very murky at the very least.

Wajid Hassan: Well, there’s so much misinformation that’s going around. So it’s very important for people to use their intuition so they can figure out the truth from the untruth. I would follow somebody who spent many, many years in strict yoga discipline, strict mental discipline like my master did for 10 years practicing yoga. It was then he was contacted. The only way that these beings could contact him was when he raised his vibrations to higher psychic centers like the heart center. So, I would trust a person like that than somebody who just has vague recollections of a past life or vague dreams and has not been trained the way Yogi masters are trained.

The truth of the disclosure now is because there’s an urgency. Things are changing rapidly, but mankind is not listening. We’re on the brink of maybe another third world war with this Ukrainian rubbish that’s going on right now that that could escalate. The disclosures were given, I believe through my Yogi master, in such a way as to warn mankind to say,’ look, you’ve been through this before. You need to stop this and start sending out power, start sending our healing and love and raise the vibrations of this planet. We know what’s going to happen if you don’t.

Johnny Burke: What did Dr. King think about what our future actually holds

Wajid Hassan: Well, it’s a glorious future. He went into deep meditation and he, and he saw the future. He saw this, if we hang around, there will be a world. In the future that will have no borders, there’ll be no economic system, no monetary system, no races, just one race, and it’s going to be total utopia. It’s just gonna be a beautiful, beautiful place to live. So that’s our heritage that’s coming up. So every man, woman, and child are going to be given the opportunity to be part of this race. The decision has to be made now. We’ve been told that conditions will be so good that they’ll be beyond our even wildest imaginations. That’s how beautiful the conditions will be. Doesn’t seem right now, based on the horrible things we’re seeing in the media all the time, but, but there is nothing. There’s no force, no military, no economic force that’s going to stop this great change from occurring.

Johnny Burke: if you had to guess, when this would take place?

Wajid Hassan: Well, it’ll probably be in our lifetime because we’ll be reincarnating on and off this planet. Dr. King didn’t give a specific time, he did mention that in the future there will be, a cosmic being that will land openly, and declare himself and warn mankind .So that that’s actually going to happen. The Bible and the other religions talk about Messiah coming. Dr. King said he will openly land in a spacecraft and demonstrate his spiritual powers and his might and warn mankind. And after that, if people don’t listen to this person, they won’t physically take to this other planet, but after they pass on, they’ll be taken from the other realms to this other planet. I believe it could be maybe a thousand years. I don’t know. It’s hard to say.

Johnny Burke: I, can’t see that happening anytime really soon. So this other planet, does it have a name?

Wajid Hassan: It hasn’t been given a name. I know the scientists call it planet X. There was no name given to it by the cosmic beings.

Johnny Burke: Do you suppose it’s gone be. even more primitive than earth is

Wajid Hassan: Dr. King mentioned that the people may regress again, like they did after Maldek , their intelligence may actually regress further to maybe again like the caveman status. And he said it is a primitive world with volcanoes and, and stuff, so we may have to regress the prehistoric times again and make our way up. So we won’t be just evolving in the same evolutionary state as we are now.

Johnny Burke: That’s actually pretty frightening because if you think about it, the people that are not so good that had that have, I suppose, very low vibrations, they stand at pretty good chance to reincarnate on such a planet. Is that true?

Wajid Hassan: Yeah, but they will all be reincarnated with their intelligence, really, really regressed. And it may take ’em, thousands of years to regain that intelligence. That’s what happened to us after Maldek, Lemuria and Atlantis; our intelligence was reduced tremendously. So again, they may reincarnate as a very primitive, primitive race. We’ve only ourselves to blame if we do go to that other planet, because we didn’t listen to the promptings of our higher selves.

Johnny Burke: But what about those of us that are making a conscious effort to raise our vibration and evolve into a higher state?

Wajid Hassan: of us, who are doing that will probably more than likely stay on this planet

Johnny Burke: I think that gives a lot of us incentive to do so. What else can we learn from Dr. King’s teaching?

Wajid Hassan: The essence of the main message that he came forward with is that we’re in the age of Aquarius. It’s the age of service. It’s the realization that we are one race, that we are our brother’s keeper- whether we like it or not, and we are responsible for the whole race. We’re all metaphysically connected. We’re just different races cultures religions and sexes for different experiences as we reincarnate on and off this planet. But we’re all interconnected. We’re one and we have to help these days we can’t stand back, going to the wilderness and evolve. We have to be part of civilization- we can’t evolve unless we help others evolve. , that was his main message of raising the vibrations, not only for ourselves, but for everybody on this planet.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Any other parting advice that you want to tell our listeners ?

Wajid Hassan: I think we owe it to the younger generation coming, I think it’s our moral and spiritual duty to elevate ourselves so that the generations that come will look at us as being pioneers, as opposed to being, self-centered and only thinking about ourselves.

Johnny Burke: I like that. Good. Wajid, thanks again for coming back to the show, as always very, very good content. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Wajid Hassan: They can just go to my website, which is wajidauthor.com

#89 Tamar George: Past Lives and The Fall of Atlantis

October 1, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Tamar George. She is a psychic coach, artist and author of several books, including Reborn In Time. Today, we’re going to talk about the misuse of power that began in Atlantis and in her book, she traces how the magic of Atlantis was misused for personal gains throughout history. Tamar, welcome back to the show.

Tamar George: It’s nice to be with you again.

Johnny Burke: Your last episode had a very nice reception. I get the feeling more and more people are warming up to the idea of reincarnation as a lot of people are talking about that these days. So, Atlantis; are we going back to the past or are we going back to the future? How did you remember lives going back that far?

Tamar George: I seemed to be encoded within my memory, of that lifetime. When I started writing about it, I was there, and I could only write for like 20 minutes a day because it was so intense. It was like I was in Atlantis, living out the story and listening to my guides at the same time, and 20 minutes I was done because psychic ability gets you exhausted. So, I really believe I was downloaded with the information before I even came here. I remember.

Johnny Burke: The curious person, is going to ask questions like,” okay. Atlantis: first of all, how long ago was it? Was it 10,000 years ago? 20,000? and, and what was it like? What did the people look like? What did they sound like?

Tamar George: the agreement online is that Atlantis sunk between 12 to 10,000 years ago. And so when I tell you that it lasted 20 million years.

Johnny Burke: oh,

Tamar George: I it’s really going to bring up a lot of doubt because this planet has been around for a long time. So let’s just imagine, we don’t have to believe it because there’s nothing you can prove at all. Let’s just say there were a group of beings that decided this beautiful earth needed to be populated. So they came from Sirius Venus, and the Pleiades -that information is out there.

Johnny Burke: This is the first time I’ve interviewed someone that actually talked about the origins; I’m not really sure what you would call those people.

#89 Tamar George: Well, we’re all star beings, you know? So we talked the last time about having many multiple lives in other dimensions in other places, because we are multi-dimensional. So we have eternity to do this in. So 20 million years in eternity is a blink. It really is. So we are always out exploring other places; we’re creators.

So we came here to create, and we did a great job of it when we first got here, because we remembered our connection to source. We didn’t know how to misuse power. So legends talk about, from the Hopi to all over the planet, that there was a time that there was a paradise on earth, a golden age. They all talk about their motherland sinking, but these are stories are told by ancient bards, by reciter priests. And they claimed a time when their Kings were from the one true blood.

Johnny Burke: What is the one true blood?

Tamar George: Being from the stars and them being from Atlantis.

Johnny Burke: I can’t help but think it’s a very good idea for a band name, ‘one true blood playing at the Roxy this week’. I I’ve never heard that before.

Tamar George: Well, while I’m on that subject, the Egyptians, their pharaohs were from the one true blood. That’s why they intermarried. That’s why they were honored as the pharaohs. So they were trying to keep that one true bloodline alive.

Johnny Burke: So Tamar, did you have multiple lifetimes on Atlantis and maybe in other lands as well, or?

Tamar George: The one I write about in the book was just one particular lifetime, but yes, I’ve had many lifetimes there. And I remembered one.

Johnny Burke: And you’re saying the timeline stretches back to almost infinity, is what you’re saying?

Tamar George: Seems like it.

Johnny Burke: I think anything’s possible- well, within reason anyway. In this one particular incarnation, can you describe what the people look like? What kind of clothes did they wear? Did they speak a language that we’ve never heard before?

Tamar George: The original Atlanteans were very albino looking. Their skin was translucent. You could like see the blood work in the skin. They had white hair, and really, really intense blue eyes. I’m not saying that this was a superior race by any means as we know of racism right now. It’s just the way they looked, and they were six feet too. So they were very tall. I can’t imagine translucent skin would be that gorgeous. So I just want to put that out there.

Johnny Burke: That is interesting. I never heard that.

Tamar George: What we wore was, we would literally be looking like Romans. We would wrap a sheet around us and then we would have a shoulder piece, and then we would have a Cape. Each color of the Cape -different colors of the different capes meant where your service was. Because the Atlanteans were in service to one another and to all that is, you know, the Law of One, the law of one love. We were in service. So it was a very beautiful, magnificent life. Now, the language, I’m not sure; my brain probably couldn’t interpret it, but the names that I was getting were very Greek sounding. So that was really interesting.

Johnny Burke: So What kind of magic was used? Were there lasers or things based on crystals? How did that work?

Tamar George: Well, at that time in those different groups, there were called, magicians basically. And they would come together with group thought and they would create and fuse crystal together. Then these particular crystals could be morphed into anything that a ship or a flight ship or, then they would be solar powered. They were very, very advanced to using the earth energy. So the earth energy. It definitely has geomagnetic energy from the planet. And then the galactic magnetic energy coming towards the planet was creating a way to really manifest with. Plus the lay lines. You’ve heard of lay lines around the planet? Like energy grids. So you also had that energy. So with thought, with the belief, with the trust, with all of that energy, boom! You could really create something.

Johnny Burke: Now, what you’re describing is that similar to what other people have described as a 5 D, or fifth density civilization where their consciousness was advanced, their technology was advanced, and they just had abilities that obviously we, in the present day do not have.

Tamar George: Yes.
Johnny Burke: Telepathy was common?

Tamar George: Yes. Yes. There wasn’t a lot of fear. So you didn’t need this whole language that we associate with fear and a language that is power over others.

Johnny Burke: Interesting point. I’ve heard people talk on the show about the great year cycle, great year concept where consciousness goes up and down in cycles. And apparently, I think what you’re about to explain has something to do with not just the fall of Atlantis, but basically the peak of consciousness. Then it goes into somewhat of a dark age. Am I right?

Tamar George: Yes. So what happened with the Atlanteans is over that time period, things just got corrupted. People were forgetting what their source connection was and they were getting more ingrained into the earth. What they started to do was use the crystals against one another, or to have power and control over one another. When I say the great city of Atlantis sunk 10 to 12,000 years ago, that’s not that long ago.

Johnny Burke: Not really. And we’ve heard obviously lots of different theories about where Atlantis was. Do you know like where it was located?

Tamar George: I do. When I say this, remember that there are a lot of people with a lot of different theories. I’m not even going to say that their theory is wrong because Atlantis had outposts, and sister cities in those areas. Yes, it was an outpost. It was a sister city. It was a satellite, but the mainland that the city was in was called Thula and that is where we know England, Scotland and Ireland are.

Johnny Burke: Cool. I like that. Just to digress, just a tiny bit. There’s a show on the Gaia network, I believe his name is Matt DeStefano and, he has actually two different series about Atlantis; have you ever seen that?

Tamar George: I know who he is. I have not actually watched the whole series.

Johnny Burke: Okay. That’s probably discussion for a different day, but apparently, he remembers lifetimes and he actually goes into detail about what some of these lands and civilizations were named. Like Lemuria- according to him are actually even older than Atlantis. So tell us more about the magic and how it began to be misused.

Tamar George: Well with that misuse of crystal and the actual sinking, the Atlanteans had moved out from the city for thousands of years. And they went to settle in the different outposts, which would be the Mayans. The Aztecs, the Egyptians, and around the world where many of these satellite cities were. When we look at this, we realize that the technology was very similar. The way they created their buildings, the way they painted their buildings, their astrology, their priests, their king. There were all these similarities within each of these civilizations and yet they weren’t supposed to have any connection with each other.

Johnny Burke: Right. How did they have similar-looking pyramids in different outposts, maybe literally around the planet? It’s a bit hard to explain that. And apparently, their technology was very, very advanced. we’re not even close to that- I don’t think …

Tamar George: Right. So early on, they were the teachers, they went out on their crystal ships and taught at the different outposts.

Johnny Burke: Did you actually say crystal ships?

Tamar George: I did.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that maybe Jim Morrison had some past life memories or encoding as it were? what are your thoughts?

Tamar George: Well, I believe people just say things or think things and they don’t remember why, the concrete knowledge of where it’s coming from. So of course.

Johnny Burke: Crystal Ships. It’s actually a very good song.

Tamar George: Crystal Ships

Johnny Burke: Yeah. and speaking of which, you have some memories of the early sea people in the travel, but before we get to that, I wanted to ask you about the helicopter hieroglyphs, I believe it’s a carving in a temple. The one I’m thinking of has two men that have these rods, and it seems like there’s this giant rock above them. Is that the same thing or is it something different?

Tamar George: This is in the temple in Abydos on this ceiling, because I saw it . Type in helicopter hieroglyphs they will all see it.

Johnny Burke: Now. That’s an example of 5 D or fifth density abilities because the legend is that the pyramids were built with some sort of defining rods. It wasn’t just like manual blood and sweat labor. Am I right?

Tamar George: Well, again, there is lots of theories on that and, and through time, I’m sure that the different techniques changed, but I happen to believe it was sound. You can do a lot with sound. You can destroy stuff with sound.

Johnny Burke: So it’s a certain type of frequency?

#89 Tamar George: So yes, you can also build things with sound.

So, these hieroglyphs, they call helicopter hieroglyphs because there is an image that looks exactly like a helicopter. There are other images that look straight out of Star Wars, and the things that we see are friends in Star Wars flying around on. So it’s fascinating. Now the experts-the Egyptologists say, there are broken hieroglyphs. You know what? The Egyptians never created broken hieroglyphs.

Johnny Burke: Just so our listeners know this, what is a broken hieroglyph?

Tamar George: They were saying that somehow, they were destroyed or the images were not, the way they should have been. They were making all kinds of excuses because they didn’t know what it was, but the Egyptians were recording their past their history. They remember.

Johnny Burke: speaking of remembering, do you remember seeing flying machines in Egypt or Atlantis for that matter?

Tamar George: No. When I was there, I was going about my daily work. my service to others trying to have that higher consciousness. I don’t know if it was in a different time period. I think it was more towards the end of Atlantis that my story was happening before the fall.

Johnny Burke: What do you know about the sea people and sea travel?

Tamar George: when I was in the temple of Abydos and the guide was showing me with a flashlight on the ceiling, the actual helicopter hieroglyph, there was also a hieroglyph of sea people that traveled around the world. More history that the Egyptians were recording. I think this was probably the later Atlanteans that were moving out and moving around the world. Now, when I was in the Canary Islands, I got to go to the Thor Heyerdahl Museum and see the reed ships. The reed ships are made out of reeds. They’re like straw tied together and they could float on the oceans on the Gulf stream for about three months before they sunk. So they were traveling all around the world way before, history has pointed out that we were actually traveling.

Johnny Burke: So, what else can you tell us about the early civilizations? Like Atlantis from things that you remember?

Tamar George: Well, Atlantis had a pyramid and it also had temples, to set the temples rotating in a circle around the pyramid. Those temples were dedicated to science to what they considered was their philosophy, their magic, and all the things that they needed in daily life. These temples looked very much like they do in Greece. So I really believe that the Greeks are definitely a memory or a satellite city of Atlantis. There was,a shipping port. It was on a horseshoe, a cove. If you look around the world, there are a lot of cities built on like a Cove, a horseshoe, so that it could easily be traveled in and out by ships.

Some of them lived in the mountains, the Hills, like Anastasi Indians. So they actually had ladders and Hilltop houses. Back to Greece, if you’ve ever been to Santorini, and you see the white stucco houses built, somebody’s porch is somebody’s roof and on and up, and they built like that. They’re still doing that.

Johnny Burke: So what you’re saying is that’s ancient architecture. They had buildings that were similar.

Tamar George: Yes. Yes. Or they originated those buildings and later on, people replicated them. And I bet you, they replicated them from memory because, if you were many lifetimes in Atlantis, you remembered.

Johnny Burke: So how did the fall actually transpire? What were the events that preceded, that period?

Tamar George: Well, it was definitely the power over others. I think that really is our theme because we’re seeing that around the world right now. ‘ I want power over you so I can control you’. That way I’ll have what I want, need desire, whatever. And it was the same sort of thing, except they used something as crystal, and I don’t have a brain for how they would create some kind of destruction out of that.

It blew up and the great cities sunk, but not all of the rest of the land because we still have England. We still have Scotland. Scotland by the way, is built on huge quartz crystal. When I was there, the light was shining out of the earth. As an artist, a painter, I was just fascinated with this light. And my friend said,” well, we’re standing on pure quartz” and I go,” oh my gosh, “that’s it. It’s just being reflected down and coming and being reflected right back up again.

Johnny Burke: What can we learn from this story going forward?

Tamar George: Yeah. I ask me that question, because what happened was, we did go into the dark ages. The grid around the planet was shifted and it really was, you’re not going to have the power to create like you did, or you will destroy this planet. So we were plunged into the dark ages. And all the different satellite cities, the Aztecs, the Mayans, and Egyptians were trying to recreate that magic. They were desperate to recreate it, but they just weren’t making a go of it. So then it morphed into people having superstition, they were creating magical tokens. Like the priest in Egypt, you had to pay them for their prayer or their token, whatever they were going to give you. So a lot of what they were figuring out was working is they still could create weather conditions. If they had a drought, they were realizing if they put a pregnant person in a field, their crops would grow better. Now what’s that about? Like energy attracts like energy, thoughts or things.

Johnny Burke: Thoughts or things.

Tamar George: Yeah, so we create what’s positive. We also create what’s negative. So then they thought, well, if one is good, well, if the king wants life, then like the Aztecs, let’s kill all of these people. And at one time they killed like 20,000 people. So that life would continue and they would have the good stuff. It got totally out of control.

Johnny Burke: So a shift in consciousness going from service, serving others to service of self; greed, avarice, all those not very good things, basically plunged our consciousness into a downturn. Almost like we’re looking at a stock market graph where things like telepathy and other sensibilities just basically disappeared. That’s what it sounds like.

Tamar George: It did and then groups of people decided how they could have control over us, and that was through politics and religion. And when we watch the news today or read a newspaper or go online and figure out what’s going on in the world, same stuff.

Johnny Burke: You had other lifetimes, I think in Egypt and maybe one has a Celt. Did you tend to remember any of the past lives- let’s say like you had a past life in Egypt? Were you aware of past lives before, like in Atlantis?

Tamar George: I don’t believe so. No, not at all. In fact, I believe I know more about Atlantis now than when I lived there.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Tamar George: Yeah. When you think about it, there’s so much more consciousness or knowing, or intellect or a broader picture on things that if you and I looked back on this lifetime in the future, we would know a whole lot more about that time period.

Johnny Burke: Good point. I’m just curious about the living quarters, the dwellings, did it look primitive? Like the interiors, what did the floors look like and the furniture and that type of thing? What did you use for lighting? Do you remember any of that?

Tamar George: Well, I think a lot of it was solar, but when I saw the buildings, everything was pristine. Especially the temples were gorgeous. We had a temple by the sea and the water was just astounding because Atlantis was more downward toward the Canary Islands. There were water fountains, there was foliage, as far as floors, I don’t remember, seeing much detail to that other than this is stone. It was more natural, more Frank Lloyd Wright.

Johnny Burke: Really? Okay. I know that you paint, did you ever try to recreate any scenes from your life then

Tamar George: Yes, a bunch of. them.

Johnny Burke: That’s definitely something I’d like to see. Do you think we can ever get back to the point where we’re living in an advanced society in terms of consciousness, not just technology. Do you think we’ll see that in our lifetime, or probably not?

Tamar George: I see that there’s going to be a rough period here for a while, but in 2012, the grid shifted back. So in Atlantis, the grid was shifted to not having any power, but in 2012, we, as light workers said, we will be responsible for this power, give us one more chance. And there was enough of us that said that in different events, one was the 11 11. These were events where I called them pieces of the puzzle, held all over the world with different light workers. So that consciousness of the light workers is raised and hopefully, everybody is living love.

But the grid has shifted, and this is why we’re seeing such a downfall; the end of the patriarchy. Because now we have to come into unity and the Aquarian Age was always the promise of unity. It was always the promise of that power that glory time, that golden age will be back. Atlantis is back. It has risen through the people here doing the work, living love, having a higher consciousness.

Johnny Burke: it’s just that we might not see it in this lifetime. I’ve had people tell me that in 2012 something changed; it wasn’t the end of the world. It was, like you say, the beginning of a shift.

Is there anything else that you want to talk about regarding the ancient civilizations?

Tamar George: Just, I think that we need to learn from history. I really think that history repeats itself and we’re doing that in the United States right now, where we’re reliving things that we thought were finished and complete. So what can we learn from history on what not to do, and why not to do it? And what really is the benefit of living love?

Johnny Burke: I think you said it -with a conscious shift that was 10 years ago, but I guess you have to start someplace. Hopefully, as a civilization, we will get back to that and not make the same mistakes as we did before. What else can you say?

Tamar George: Live love, and we are responsible for everything. That’s a problem because there is karma. So we get that karma back when we are not responsible for being the most loving kind, just caring compassionate individuals.

Johnny Burke: I would agree, but there seems to be an awful lot of fear and hatred and bad stuff happening now. Hopefully this is, the storm before the calm.

Tamar George: So the energy here is a do-over. Look at what’s going on, astrologically; its mind-blowing this energy is coming into the planet for this do-over. That’s the basis of what I wanted to get across is I’m so hopeful we are going to make it through this. We can’t get discouraged and we can just individually learn how to live love. That’s the key.

Johnny Burke: I agree. That’s what I’m hearing from other intuitives as well, and that’s a good note to end on. Tamar, thanks again for joining us. How can our listeners learn more about you online?

#89 Tamar George: they can find at http://www.tamargeorge.com, And I have the first podcast up on my site. So if anybody wants to listen to that, and when this goes up, I’ll put it on there.

#82 Tamar George: The Reincarnation of Letty Lind

August 13, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives, Reincarnation

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus, I’m Johnny and Burke and today’s guest is Tamar George. She is a psychic coach, artist, and author of several books, including My Life As Letty Lind. Today, we will be talking about how she can connect into past lives to better understand the greater view of reincarnation and why more people are remembering their own past lives. Tamar, welcome to the program.

Tamar George: Thank you. Glad to be here.

Johnny Burke: You are a psychic coach. How does that differ from being a medium?

Tamar George: A psychic coach is somebody that works with questions and a medium works with those who passed over to the other side. There’s definitely a difference.

Johnny Burke: That’s consistent with what a lot of us have been told before. So in other words, you don’t really position yourself as a medium, you ‘re a psychic coach.

Tamar George: Yes, I am.

Johnny Burke: When did you learn that you had intuitive gifts?

Tamar George: I remember talking to my mother around the age 11 and somebody was coming over and I described who they were and what they were about. And she said, “how do you know that?” And I answered,” how do you not know that?” that’s when I realized I was different. Then as an adult, I learned to meditate with others and I was receiving a lot of information that I could see, feel, and knew especially stuff I didn’t know. And others in that meditation group started asking me for information about their lives.

Johnny Burke: So the meditation group was a starting point for that. Is that where it blossomed from there? Or did it happen later on?

Tamar George: No, it blossomed from there. Definitely.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Good. All right. So you’ve been working as a psychic for, it’s almost four decades. Tell us how that journey started.

Tamar George: I call my intuition divine inspiration, and some would call it spirit guides. But no matter what you call it, I was getting advice. So there was a suggestion from my guidance that I take myself out there in the world and teach what I was learning. And I replied back, ‘no, I wasn’t going anywhere because I wasn’t perfect. And the answer that I heard back in my head was, yeah, they would hate you if you were perfect. That’s when I realized I was being asked to be perfect to just teach back what was working for me. And they were also telling me that our lives are the greatest example of being a really good teacher.

Johnny Burke: So spirit guides-, it seems to be that when people do talk about spirit guides and angels, for that matter, it often is associated with intuitives like yourself being able to see spirit or spirits, people that have passed at a young age. You didn’t have those experiences when you were younger, did you?

Tamar George: I did not. I considered spirit guides as information that, comes to you from your higher self. Let’s say you’re doing a painting and you received divine inspiration. The greatest paintings in the world were divinely inspired- architecture, all of that. Where does that come from? That’s what I’m talking about, divine inspiration.

Johnny Burke: Your position is that the greatest works of art, architecture and so forth all were the results of divine inspiration. Let’s take like Michael Angelo, for example. That one would seem like a pretty good candidate, but you’re saying basically all the great works?

Tamar George: Yeah. And in some way, and somehow it’s like sacred geometry, they all fit what is perfect. Think about the music that was created. It was divinely inspired.

Johnny Burke: Hmm. Okay. Now your website mentioned something about indigo children and star children. Who are they and does that have anything to do with what, people are calling Ascension?

Tamar George: I had clients coming to me telling me that their children just knew things. They thought maybe their child was an old soul. And they said that child seems wise beyond their years. And they also learn things really fast, and they know things they shouldn’t know at like five or six. They were also very loving towards others.

So those labels, indigo or star children, that’s just what they are because it means old souls. Ascension is what we’re in right now. We also call it the Aquarian Age , but it is the age from a fear experiment into a love experiment, and these kids are here to help. They’re going to create changes in technology in order to help save each other and the planet. They definitely don’t want our old world of greed and they don’t want to work nine to five every day. They want more freedom, more joy.

Johnny Burke: How can you know for certain these kids are in fact what you would call an indigo child or a star child?

Tamar George: The only explanation I can give for that is the parents just know, and being around one of these children, you just know they have wisdom beyond their years. They’ll point out when you’re mean to an animal, or point out when there’s an inconsistency with the way an adult is behaving, they’re wise.

Johnny Burke: Is it possible that these children come from other star systems or anywhere other than earth?

Tamar George: That is a real possibility., but I believe that’s true for all of us because we’re multi-dimensional. We have eternity to explore and create in. So. Yeah, we’re just very limited. We’re very much in our box here on earth.

Johnny Burke: what exactly does multi-dimensional mean?

Tamar George: To me it means that the great, great giant spirit of us, has the ability to send pieces of its spirit. It’s also been described like the drop in the ocean. That’s still water, it’s a drop, but it’s in the ocean. And we are able as pieces of spirit to be in other realms, to be in other places, to learn how to create.

When you look at this planet, we’re creating all the time. We’re cloning animals. We’re creating new technology. We’re creating new plants. We’re just constantly creating. And to think that it’s limited by an 80-year time span or a hundred-year time span in eternity is really limiting everything.

Johnny Burke: Limited thinking; where do you suppose that actually comes from?

Tamar George: I think when we look back in history, we have been in the dark ages, this fear experiment. So we limited ourselves, we limited one another, just to this amount of consciousness. But now we’re hearing the consciousness is being raised. We have so much access to other information that once we get out there and start researching, we realize where the myths come from. Joseph Campbell did Occidental mythology, where he traces all the myths in history. It’s an amazing book, amazing book. So that’s why we’re limited.

Johnny Burke: Now you mentioned raising consciousness, a moment ago, and also what you called the fear experiment. Does the fear experiment have something to do with moving away from the male energy and moving towards the feminine energy, which is also related to what people call Ascension, which I think has a lot to do consciousness, raising, more people waking up and so forth?

Tamar George: Yeah, we talk about the patriarchal system where the man has had more power on this planet. But what’s coming back is this divine feminine with the divine masculine so that the misuse of power is no longer. We’re in the age of unity.

Johnny Burke: We are there?

Tamar George: We’re there right now.

Johnny Burke: That’s the first time I’ve heard that. I always ask for a roadmap when someone brings this up. When are we going to get there? Is it going to be next year? Next decade, Next millennia? When is that going to happen?

Tamar George: No, we’re in the Aquarian age, right now. So we have gone past the cusp of it, and we have moved right into it. When we’re watching the news, what’s happening around the world is the old system. The patriarchal system is holding on for dear life of still wanting power over others. And we’re seeing that. We’re all going through a very rough time. But the outcome is going to be that balance. It’s going to be that joy. It’s always been that probable of happiness.

Johnny Burke: regarding the Aquarian age, which we’re supposedly in right now. Do we have a reference point from thousands of years ago? There are people that talk about theories of how we move out of one age and into another. Where does the projection come from that we are currently moving into the Aquarian age?

Tamar George: I think it comes from the Mayan calendar. It was a big deal in 2012, that the earth was going to end, but what they were really saying as the earth was going to end as we know it, so what was humanity going to do? What’s it going to continue the old process or was it going to have enough people waking up into their own consciousness, stepping out of the box and that’s what happened. That’s when this shift occurred. That’s when we moved into the Aquarian age.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of the Mayans, which is always a very interesting topic, how long ago was that civilization in place? It was thousands of years ago was it not?

Tamar George: I think even less time than that, the Mayans alive today would say “we’re still here. ” That calendar? I don’t know exactly when the calendar was created, but they had a really, really good system. it was cycles of patterns that they were researching and learning about and writing down.

Johnny Burke: And speaking of cycles, there are theories that thousands and thousands of years ago, five, 6,000, maybe even more like 10,000 years ago, there were civilizations that were more advanced than the one we’re living in today. Would you agree?

Tamar George: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Whenever someone talks about Ascension, we often slip into that, discussion about cycles. The great year concept where everything does go in cycles. And I asked about reference points because it would appear that the Egyptians, before the pharaohs, were living in a time where some people might call it five D, where telepathy was as normal as people speaking or people using their smartphones. I think that does tie into of these discussions about indigo children and star children and things that do seem a little bit extraordinary. You agree?

Tamar George: Yes. To that person in that box. Yes. It seems extraordinary.

Johnny Burke: Yes, exactly.

Tamar George: Those of us who remember, which is my first book,” Reborn In Time“, which is the story of Atlantis. Then the Atlanteans moved out. They had sister cities. They moved out from their land, into the Egyptians, into the Mayans, into the Celtic people. And I trace those lives through past life regression. How we got more into the darker age is how we misused the teachings even more. So it’s quite an exciting journey.

Johnny Burke: To say the very least. Since you brought it, up past lives, going back, quite a long time, you’re talking about, I’m guessing here- 10,000, 12,000 years or more. This means during those past lives, you’ve seen, the cycle that we’re talking about; enlightenment and then falling down into the dark ages. Kind of like what America is now, and hopefully coming out of.

My Life As Letty Lind, describes a past life of yours in Victorian England. So, how did you discover that you had a life that long ago?

Tamar George: With my intuition. I just saw her as a child. I just knew that I had been there. It was just a knowing. And I kept asking for a name and I came up with Letty Lind, and this was all before the internet. So, I went over in 1997 to London to look at the birth certificates in an official government building and it was all handwritten. But I couldn’t find Letty Lind because that was not her official birth name. So when the internet came into being, around 2003, I typed in Letty Lind, and up came a picture and it was like,” yes, she really does exist.”

Johnny Burke: So, what did it feel like when you saw the picture, what were your first impressions?

Tamar George: Just that excitement that I just portrayed, it was like, “oh my gosh, yay! I’m on to something here. “So I kept Googling. And then 2005, I found the guy named Graham from London, who is doing a biography of Letty and he kept emailing me and, I absolutely kept all of those emails. He wouldn’t tell me what he was writing about. He wanted to know why I was interested in her.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned knowing that this person – this was one of your past lives. Is that a claircognizant knowing, or is it something different?

Tamar George: I just have been getting information from my guides and I was trusting the information out to my clients. Why not trust it?

Johnny Burke: Right. so the information was coming from your spirit guides then?

Tamar George: Yes.

Johnny Burke: You actually had experiences remembering past lives going much farther back than Victorian England. Did you learn about that first? Or did you learn about the life of Letty Lind and the previous lives after that?

Tamar George: It’s like balls in the air. I was juggling all those lifetimes as I was writing my first book and recording information for this book. So it was all happening at once. So I would, I would keep finding more information and doing more regressions.

Johnny Burke: You initially got the information, from your spirit guides, but the past life regression, sessions you learned even more. Can you give us an idea of what, one of those sessions actually feltlike?

Tamar George: They grew over time. So the more I trusted myself to do it, the more I would trust what I was getting. And the more I did it, like practice. So I just became better and better and better at those regressions as well as my psychic ability. Reborn in Time took 10 years to write. My life A Letty Lind only took a couple of months because I had gathered all the information.

Johnny Burke: From one of those sessions when you did a past life regression, do you remember the type of questions that the therapist was asking you and how the process went and some things you remembered? Did you have a recorder on anything like that?

Tamar George: I didn’t have a recorder on, and I always remembered it because I was visually seeing it and I was feeling it and I was there. So after the session, I would get up and I would write it down, I led the regression therapist in a lot of the questions because as I was telling the story, they would ask me a question that might not relate to where I was and where I was going. And I’d say,” ask me this,” and they were okay with that because I was getting All this information.

Johnny Burke: When you go into a session like that, you do a past life regression, how do you know it’s not your imagination, that it’s something much different? In your case, It actually was a past life?

Tamar George: It’s really that ability to trust. if you can work with your intuition and learn how to trust it, then you’ll realize you’re not making it up. Plus a lot of times you’re having feelings and your brain knows where you’re going with the sentence. In a past life regression, you don’t know where you’re going, you’re watching it as it’s happening. So there’s no ending there. And that’s another way between those feelings and watching the story develop. Are those your two trust issues?

Johnny Burke: Really. Emotionally, what does that feel like when you go through that type of experience?

Tamar George: Well, sometimes you don’t want to hear the information and other times you’re going, “wow. I really felt a lot in that situation.” the other thing is, ” that is so similar to what I’m going through right now as the lesson. ”

Johnny Burke: Okay. So let’s talk a little bit more about Letty Lind and your other lives. Going as far back as Atlantis, we might have to devote an entire episode just on that, but that’s pretty amazing stuff. So Letty Lind; who exactly was she? because you obviously nailed it down to a certain period in Victorian England.

Tamar George: Letty was an actress. She was also a dancer. She was very well known for her long performances on this stage. She was born in 1861 and died in 1923. And this life I was born in 1947.

Johnny Burke: How did you know that she lived during a period of Victorian England. How did you know that it was during that time, other than what the researcher told you?

Tamar George: The researcher only confirmed it, but I could see it. I could see her dancing. I could see her on stage, it all felt just so familiar.

Johnny Burke: What else is significant about the life of this person?

Tamar George: What’s really interesting is I did a regression on my husband and. After I had met Graham, the researcher, we talked about, what else did I know? And I said, “well, I did this regression on my husband, and he came up with the lifetime as King Edward, which was really surprising. Letty was born in the same year that King Edward, Victoria’s oldest son , was promiscuous. My final proof was the fact that I finally found that there was a person named Lord Esher that was in charge of Letty’s will. And Lord Esher talked to King Edward every single day. So how come Lord Esher was put in charge of this singer and this dancer in King Edward’s will? And that connected the two. That was my proof.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So what relationship did Letty have to King Edward?

Tamar George: Well, she was his child born out of wedlock when he was very, very young.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Tamar George: Yes.

Johnny Burke: This brings us to another question. Why do you suppose so many people have connections to famous people in their past lives?

Tamar George: I’m okay with all of that, because in that bigger picture, we all are creator energy. We all are one, but I had a client who thought she was Marie Antoinette. And when we did further research on it, she found out she was in the court of Marie Antoinette. So a lot of people associate. Their brain goes right away with what is known, they’re meditating, and they’ve got this figure of light in their mind screen, and they think it must be Jesus. Cause that’s the only figure of light that they could possibly relate it to.

Johnny Burke: There are more light beings than master Jesus, as some people refer to a mess. 300 people that claim to be Marie Antoinette or the Queen of Sheba probably are not all that accurate, right?

Tamar George: Not unless they really do a lot more regressions, a lot more research, not unless they really find those details. They really move along that path. Like I did with Letty Lind, the proof, which I lay out in the book, the linear proof that happens all along the way that convinces me I was indeed her. Why would this happen?

Johnny Burke: This isn’t the only past life you’ve had ,apparently, right.? You’ve had more than one.

Tamar George: Oh yeah.

Johnny Burke: You also did visit London to find her grave or your grave- what was that like?

Tamar George: I had been emailing Graham, and he was writing this pamphlet about the life of Letty Lind, which he did not share any of it with me. So I met him in Windsor at the train station and we went off to Letty’s grave. He got mad at me when we were standing up the grave saying,” you’re not paying your respects.” and I said,” bones, how you doing?” I said, “Graham I’m Right here.” So then we went off to the church and I sat down and read the booklet and all of a sudden I came upon the date. Letty’s funeral was Friday, August 31st. And I went, “oh my God, Graham, come here, come here. I said,” what date is today? “And he looked at me strangely and he said, “it’s Friday, August 31st.” And I went, oh my God, 84 years later, I’m sitting in the church on Friday, August 31st, the same day as my funeral. Letty died when she was 61 in a month and a half, I was going to be 61 years old. Total proof for me! How can that happen?

Johnny Burke: There does seem to be quite a few coincidences there. We all know what intuitives think about coincidence; many of them say there is no such thing. So going back to the discussion about Ascension and moving away from one energy to another, whether it be the divine feminine or the divine feminine and the divine masculine. Why do you suppose more people today are remembering their own past lives?

Tamar George: I believe that that ability to raise our consciousness, to meditate, to spend more time in yoga is helping with those scenes and that understanding. Our past lives are in the aura around our body. So we’re able to connect into that record that exists around us. That’s where it is. We have a lot of information in the auric field around us.

Johnny Burke: The auric field that you just mentioned, is there any connection to the Akashic Records? Might that actually be the same thing?

Tamar George: I believe there are two different sort of teachings. The Akashic records are saying all your records are held in this place. And I’m saying all your records are held, around you. Why can’t it be both?

Johnny Burke: It could be,

Tamar George: I think from being a psychic, what people don’t know is everything is known about you. As a psychic, I’m only privy to so much information. And I always ask for the highest good. So it has to be for your highest good, but everything is known.

Johnny Burke: I’ve never heard that before. That does harken back to the concept of the records where apparently past, present, and future are happening all at once. That’s a pretty hard concept to get your head around. But the auric field, that seems to imply that it’s in our energy field, does it not?

Tamar George: Yes,

Johnny Burke: Okay. does that have anything to do with how a shaman would conduct a shamanic journey or a session of their practice?

Tamar George: I’m a person that doesn’t ever say absolutes because the more I know the more I don’t know. So, and I don’t know their process, but it is very likely that they were tapping into something that they were getting results from. If you’re getting results from the process that you’re doing, you keep doing it. It’s worth it.

Johnny Burke: That’s true. What do you think are some of the most important takeaways from your experience of remembering your past lives?

Tamar George: I think that because we live in such a racist society we’re saying we’re better than, and that’s gone on for thousands of years. That when we finally figure out that we’re all one that the great gigantic spirit of who we are chooses to put a part or a piece of its spirit in a human costume and live out this life. That if we are very negative against another race, then that is our choice. The next time around is to come back into that race, to learn love, compassion, understanding. So people don’t realize the karma that they’re building. And we are coming into a time where we are going to all say we are all one.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Tamar George: I even believe the religions out there are going to say we’re all one.

Johnny Burke: So what you’re talking about is basically reincarnation and you also mentioned religion. So in your experience of all the past lives that you have remembered and viewed, and how does that change your view of spirituality and religion if it’s changed at all?

Tamar George: Well, it has changed because I believe I was living in a very limited box that only saw things a certain way. And by jumping out of that box and experiencing all of these other past lives. And my psychic, abilities experience on all of that, I was realizing the creator created everything. And if the creator created everything, then that creator energy is within us. That energy within us then moves out into earth experiment to create, and we have free will. We can create the good, the bad, the ugly, or we can create a joy filled life, but our subconscious thoughts are doing the creation. Believe it or not, it’s not that much of the consciousness. It’s more of the deep subconscious fears or desires that are manifesting themselves in the future. There is no future. We are just in the now and in that now we are manifesting what that subconscious is believing. So that’s part of my psychic ability is to get into that subconscious and say, do you want to create this? Are you sure you want to go down this path? And I’m not allowed to give so much information that would interfere with that path? Or I have karma with it.

Johnny Burke: So you see information pertaining to one of your clients, but you know what to divulge and what not to divulge- is that how that works?

Tamar George: How to say it, like, here’s the probability, but you have free will to change this. What you’re creating doesn’t look that good. Let’s back it up, change the thought pattern, figure out why you have that fear, desire, whatever it is you’re manifesting. And let’s move on to create something that really would be joy-filled.

Johnny Burke: Have to like that. Last question here. With the explosion of mediums and intuitives and empaths and psychics when do you think we will see the day when psychics, for example, are as commonplace as psychotherapists?

Tamar George: 39 years ago when I first started out, I didn’t have many people relating to me at all, but now I have a whole lot of people that understand what I’m saying, are okay with the fact that I’m a psychic coach, way more accepting because they’re wanting to know more about their own intuition.

Johnny Burke: Makes sense. Excellent. Tamar, thanks so much for joining us today. very cool information. Very informative. How do our listeners find out more about you online?

Tamar George: www. tamargeorge.com

#57 Gates McKibbin: Love Is The Only Reality

February 19, 2022 by Johnny Burke

Past Lives, Reincarnation

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. Today’s guest is Gates McKibbin. She is a clairaudient medium and author of several books, including the Love, Hope, Give series, a saga about love across lifetimes that involves multiple people who agree to reincarnate together. What we’ll be talking about today is the unconventional way the books were written. Gates welcome to the program.

Gates Mckibbin: Thank you so much. Happy to be here.

Johnny Burke: These books you’ve written, you didn’t write them in the conventional way as most people do. Can you give us some insight into how that was done?

Gates Mckibbin: I’d be happy to. I am a clairaudient medium which basically translates as a scribe for spirit. I hear messages sent down by spirit and write them as I’m hearing them. It’s not the kind of hearing that we use with our ears. It’s more of an inner knowing that messages are being sent down. I understand the words that are being sent to me and write them as I discern them. The stories in the Love, Hope, Give series, four novels, were sent to me that way. I was given the information that I was to write these novels. I had no idea what they were going to be about. I had no insight into anything other than that I should sit in my living room on the sofa with a pad of paper and a pen and wait for the words to come down through me, which is exactly what happened. I ended up writing four novels that derived from spirit, not from my brain.

Johnny Burke: That’s pretty incredible. And apparently, this series, the Love, Hope, Give series spans thousands of years. It apparently begins in Atlantis. why do you suppose it began there?

Gates Mckibbin: It begins in Atlantis when an androgynous spirit, a person who has no defined gender chooses to go through a very esoteric process involving high-frequency meditation on the part of a number of capable individuals, and crystal technology to split into two people, literally two people, a male, and a female who are exact twins, except for gender.

And that is the beginning of the love story that is told throughout these four novels. Atlantis was a remarkable manifestation of creation here on planet earth, where people had the ability to basically stay healthy for extended periods of time. They didn’t have the same kind of difficulty living apart from the diseases and other things that we have now. so in Atlantis, with all of these high-frequency technologies, with the capabilities that they had to live quite differently from the way we do, this individual chose to be reborn as two. The problem with Atlantis was these abilities that were so remarkable were abused by a number of people in power. Therefore over time, that corruption became so predominant, we had what is known as the fall of Atlantis, but the stories begin there.

Johnny Burke: It would appear that the reason that the stories began in Atlantis is because it’s almost as if someone or something is trying to teach us a lesson, where history repeats itself. Now let’s go back to what you mentioned earlier that spirit basically informs you to write- you don’t know what it’s going to be, you have no idea what it’s about. When you mentioned the word spirit, are you talking about a spirit of a past loved one or a spirit guide or are we talking about something bigger?

Gates Mckibbin: I believe we’re talking about something bigger .There is a larger divine wisdom that in fact guides and informs all of us. It just happens that an aspect of that divinity comes to me and uses me as a means to get messages out into the world. So I don’t and can’t identify an individual spirit I work with it is an energy, it’s a compelling energy quite frankly, that takes over my mind and allows me to transmit what’s being communicated.

Johnny Burke: It’s almost like a force. Takes over driving your car and you have no idea where the car is going to go.

Gates Mckibbin: That’s a really good way of thinking about it. In fact, it’s funny how the process works. I will unplug my rational mind to such an extent that I fundamentally have no memory of what I’m writing after I’ve written it I’ll sit for hours at a time with a journal on my lap and allow the words to come through me and be written. It’s my handwriting. I know that. But at the end of the day, I don’t have any idea what’s on those pages. On the one hand, people say well, how is there proof that these stories didn’t come from your brain? The proof is I didn’t even think about them, and I can’t even remember what I wrote. Then, when I transcribe what was written and put it into the computer, I basically use voice recognition software, and read the stories into the computer. My experience of reading them is as if I were hearing the stories for the first time. I have no recollection of anything that happened. I’ll be reading along, out loud and I’ll be thinking, ‘oh my gosh, that’s fascinating.” or I wonder how that could happened when I wrote it before.

Johnny Burke: What you’re describing is that the same thing as automatic writing or is it something different?

Gates Mckibbin: I think it can be certainly called that, but I don’t have a sense that my hand itself is being guided across the page by another energy. That’s really not it, it’s more, as I said before that I’m hearing words being dictated, and I’m writing that dictation. That’s how it happens.

Johnny Burke: The clairaudient part. Okay, that would make a lot of sense, and is consistent with several cases. Now going back to Atlantis, you mentioned advanced technology; crystal technology. It sounds like you have no doubt that that technology actually did exist thousands of years ago. Were you given a hint- a clue about approximately how long ago this story took place?

Gates Mckibbin: know that it was thousands of years ago. I don’t know how many thousands. There were a number of communities on the planet before Atlantis, that in fact were much more effective. at working with spirit or collaborating with spirit through a very thin, almost non-existent veil between the earthly dimension and the higher frequencies of spirits. Those communities, or those cultures maintain the integrity of the wisdom and the spiritual capability, our technology, if you want to call it that, maintain the integrity of that in almost impeccable ways. It was in Atlantis where that integrity was compromised. And where other agendas began to come forward, which was, we know how to do all of this. We’ve been given this extraordinary ability. Maybe some of us can use it to expand our power, our wealth, our control over people. That was the inflection point that created ultimately the fall.

Johnny Burke: So there were ancient civilizations before Atlantis. How Exactly did you learn of the existence of these civilizations? Was it living through the words of Luke and Grace, or was it something else ?

Gates Mckibbin: Interesting question. About 25, 30 years ago when I began to understand that I might be a scribe for spirit, I was also told not to read anything that had been published in any new age or metaphysical area. And I asked why, why should I be ignorant of a lot of what’s out there that’s really great literature? And the answer was, “we don’t want your rational mind to get filled up with a lot of information that came from somewhere else. Because if that happens, you may start to think that what you’re writing really did come from your own thinking rather than from spirit”. So what I tell you that I believe about places or cultures like Lemuria, all of that has come from what I’ve been told by spirit, not what I’ve read anywhere. People listening to this podcast can either believe it or not. I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. My intention is to share what has been so generously given to me and through.

Johnny Burke: Well, I think it’s pretty incredible that you were told by spirit not to read anything, for obvious reasons. It seems to me that they want you to take the information straight from the source

Gates Mckibbin: Exactly, and I can trust that’s where it comes from, because I don’t have a huge library in my brain of books I’ve read. I’m not suggesting that other people follow that same guidance, but certainly for me, And the purpose I’m serving, collaborating with spirit. That sounds like, and it has been a very good recommendation.

Johnny Burke: Not only that, but it tells me that you are a direct experiencer of something, which is called a spiritually transformative event. Like someone who had a near-death experience, or a Kundalini Awakening, or out-of-body experience. I think it’s important to make that distinction.

When we talk about this series, the Love, Hope, Give series about reincarnation. And reincarnation implies that we’re spirits with an eternal life existing temporarily in human bodies. Then we choose to incarnate again and again. As far as, you know, how does this process work?

Gates Mckibbin: Initially when we become a separate unique spirit, which each of us is, that happens when we differentiate ourselves from source. And I define source as all loving, originator of all that is. We all derive from love. We all derive from that source. And when our spirit differentiates from source or separates from source, we have the opportunity then to come into human embodiment. There are lots of other things we can do throughout the universes, but here on planet earth, we are engaged in an experiment, and a lot of us are participating in that experiment by coming into multiple lifetimes.

So each of us have our individual spirit, our soul with all of its memories from incarnations and we establish a blueprint for a lifetime that we are about to be born into. That blueprint provides us with choice points, with opportunities to grow toward spirit, through our ability, to love, to forgive, to be compassionate, to share generously with others. We create those opportunities before we come into this lifetime and then we make choices. Some of them are aligned with our divinity and support that and strengthen it. And some not so much at the end of a physical lifetime, when our spirit leaves our body, we then have the opportunity to review what we did the choices we made, how we treated other people, all of the ways that we either aligned with our divinity and shared that with others or didn’t. That time in between lifetimes then gives us a chance to review all of that and establish a blueprint for our next lifetime. So when we come in we’ve got more choices we could make and hopefully do a better job. That’s how I perceive reincarnation.

Johnny Burke: Great explanation. the Love, Gift, Hope series does feature several people who agree to reincarnate together. I guess you would call that a soul family. They make soul agreements, and this happens in that in-between life space, that I believe Dr. Michael Newton made popular.

That’s where apparently these people that agreed to reincarnate together with Luke and grace and several other people- did they just meet and say, “okay, great- I’m going to be your best friend and this guy’s going to be your worst enemy, and this woman’s going to break her heart, but you need to do that because you need to learn. And we’re going to come back here and then we’re going to see what we need to work on next.” Now that’s probably a very crude way to look at it, but I’ve heard this discussion several times. And I don’t think that’s really too far off the mark, is it?

Gates Mckibbin: I think it’s right on the mark. I don’t think it’s crude at all. It’s exactly what happens. We gathered together with a handful of other spirits we’ve known in prior incarnations, and we select the kinds of relationships we can have. Maybe someone who was a, father in a prior life becomes a brother in this one, or a sister or someone with whom we had a troubled relationship comes into the next lifetime and it’s another troubled relationship. But the two of us have a chance to resolve things through forgiveness, and to complete whatever wasn’t completed before. So to me, it makes complete sense that we would come together with others with whom we’ve had prior experiences, because otherwise, if we just come in by ourselves and we have to start fresh every single time, it’s not as easy to heal and to grow and to transcend and to support each other in our individual paths to our divine love, which is really what this is all about.

Johnny Burke: Almost like cast members of a play or a movie. It sounds like they actually helped facilitate a more direct path back to divinity, which apparently, we somehow forget. It brings to mind a quote that was made by the Long Island Medium. I believe her name is Theresa Caputo. She basically said, “life is like an episode of Saturday night live; everyone constantly wears different costumes and characters, but at the end of the night, they all hug and kiss.” it sounds exactly what we’re talking about here.

Gates Mckibbin: I love it. I love that because we come together. Whether it’s with people we’ve known in prior lifetimes or not, we’re all here for the same reason, which is to recognize that the only reality and I mean this- the only reality is love. . We all derived from love and returned to love at the end of each life. This planet that we live on with all of the material, third dimensional, all of the emotional, all of the different facets of our lifetime on planet earth- we think that is our reality. Those are simply stage props. That’s the stage on which Saturday Night Live occurs. And in fact-

Johnny Burke: that’s this Saturday’s episode. Right?

Gates Mckibbin: Exactly. In fact, we’re here to understand that as we live our lives, if we can fill our hearts with love, and if we can share that generously with others and unconditionally and feel joy, even in the slightest way, we can live that way, then we are moving closer to spirit, closer to our divinity. Yet so often it’s easy to be seduced by the idea that what we’re surrounded with in the material world is what’s real. That’s illusion. That’s the same illusion that we have when we’re watching Saturday Night Live. The reality is that we are love. We always are love. Our spirits are composed of nothing but love and our spirits reside in our physical bodies and are with us constantly as we move through our lifetimes, and with us in between; with nothing but a completely benevolent intention for us to be our best selves.

Johnny Burke: Now a return to love or return to divinity seems to have some type of parallel, some type of relationship with what is referred to these days as Ascension. Trying to move away from the masculine to the feminine energy, from the third dimension to the fifth and so forth. Would you agree?

Gates Mckibbin: Well, yes – with perhaps little bit of a redefinition. Here’s the way I see it; we are in these physical bodies on planet earth that is part of who we are. We also are spirits that can reside or ascend into higher dimensions, higher frequencies while we are in these lifetimes. So I think it’s both, I think the Ascension can occur and can actually be an ongoing part of our lives on planet earth in each incarnation. So we are living lifetimes. We are having to pay the bills. We are having to deal with all these things that are right before us. And we also can have a significant portion of our spirit residing in dimensions that are a higher frequency, which are closer to the divine. We can exist both ways. That’s how I receive Ascension to be.

Johnny Burke: And the third and the fifth. Now going back to Luke and grace, all the way at the beginning. This brings to mind that Atlantis and civilizations before that, had advanced consciousness, right? And somewhere between now and then, we went into something similar to a down market in the stock market; it peaked. And then it started to go down. If you go back to the time of when this story starts, the Love, Give ,Hope series. what do you suppose we were in terms, of not just necessarily technology, but consciousness? Where we at the peak? Were we falling off the peak? Where do you suppose we were?

Gates Mckibbin: We were engaging in a precipitous fall, and the fall occurred because it became more important for people to use divine wisdom and capability for their own selfish purposes, than for the greater good. They separated themselves from their divinity, from their spirit and corrupted what they knew. Once that began, and once more and more people bought into it, then it became very difficult to counteract it. In fact, the first novel ends with the fall of Atlantis. It became impossible to shift the trajectory of the fall.

So you talk about consciousness and in fact, I love that you use that because as people became more and more corrupt in their use of these extraordinary, gifts from spirit that affected consciousness and consciousness began to lose the incredible access to divinity that existed before. So it’s like a circular process; the more corruption there is, the more corrupt consciousness becomes. Then that feeds more corruption. It also goes the other direction. The more transcendent people are, that feeds love and divine consciousness into the collective. So it goes both directions.

Johnny Burke: Hopefully we are coming off the bottom, and we’re starting to turn back up again, which brings to mind the Great Year Concept , based on consciousness going up in cycles. The connection I make there, is what you just said about the more corruption there is, the more selling there is going to be in the market- it’s going to go down. The more transcendence there is, the more buying there is and it’s going to go up. The stock market graph has maybe not the best analogy, but it’s another entity that has a cyclical nature. And apparently maybe on a much grander scale, consciousness does the same thing.

Gates Mckibbin: Well, and also, the stock market is a manifestation of who we are as a collective of choices we’ve made about how to organize, to get things done, how to share profits, how to value the importance of money, which we value incredibly. So it’s a good analogy. What I believe is that each of us individually can create the larger capacity for the collective to be able to represent our divine imperative, or not. Individually as we make our choices, we also are influencing the collective’s ability to live within our own divinity, within the divinity that we all share. And we can either support that or detract from it. We can either add to it or subtract from it. And that’s how the collective in fact is formed and how it’s maintained. It all happens because of individually, how we choose to live our lives moment to moment, day-to-day, choice after choice, decision after decision, emotion after emotion, whether we forgive or not, whether we can love, whether we share all of that creates the collective. Creates collective consciousness.

Johnny Burke: It seems like many of us contribute to it. Either it’s a positive contribution or it’s a negative contribution. I don’t know how accurate that says, but I’ve also been told that with light, there needs to be darkness. With positivity there has to be something negative, otherwise we would have nothing to contrast it with.

Gates Mckibbin: Well, that’s true, but I would say, I welcome less contrast

Johnny Burke: I agree.

Gates Mckibbin: Yeah, let’s choose love and light, yes, the shadow is there, and let’s choose to live in the light. I don’t know that a lot of us need that much darkness or that much shadow really to step into the fullness of our capacity to be light, to be love.

Johnny Burke: I have been told the shadow self is part of the fourth dimension, which we have to get through, to get to the fifth dimension, whether we like it or not. It’s a bit complicated and it’s a lot for us to get our heads around, it’s just something that I’ve never really gotten a completely satisfactory explanation of when we start talking about the dimensions. I agree completely that we should choose the light, the love. Love, forgiveness and compassion. I think the shadow self is something that I was told that we have to at least acknowledge. If we don’t acknowledge it, it can cause problems. That might not have a whole lot to do with what we’re talking about today, but it does apparently have something to do with dimensions.

Gates Mckibbin: I think the shadow is very relevant. One way to think about it is that because it is so present here in our earthly existence. It is present also in the next dimension up the fourth dimension, but we sure have a lot of it here. The last thing I want to indicate is that we should deny it. I believe that denying the shadow actually energizes it. We give energy to the darkness when we deny that it exists.

Johnny Burke: I think that’s what I was trying to get at, because denying the existence actually does give it energy. So by accepting its existence- I don’t know if it takes energy away from it, but it doesn’t give any more.

Gates Mckibbin: I agree with you. I think that what we all can do is acknowledge any examples in our lives where people’s actions are less than love-based- acknowledge that, but don’t allow ourselves to be brought down by it to such an extent that we go into despair. Because even by despairing the existence, we give energy to the dark side by denying it, we give energy to it. So acknowledge it and then transcend it with our own actions.

Johnny Burke: That’s an opportunity for us to exercise one of the three most important things in the universe, which is forgive. And I’ve always been curious about the life in between lives space. Here’s an example: I was watching one of the Gaia shows, I think it was beyond belief, and there was a man talking about one of his books. I believe his name is Richard martini. . He was describing a scene where this man went into the space, the life in between life space, and he recognized some of his relatives and is very happy, but one of his relatives was the mean uncle. And he finally got a chance to communicate with the mean uncle and the uncle says,” don’t you remember? We agreed on this.” So for those people that agree,” you know what? I’m going to be the bad guy this time, because for whatever reason you need the experience, I need the experience.”

So for someone in our life right now who obviously chooses less than love and light, couldn’t that be an example of someone that agrees to play that part in this lifetime for either his benefit or the benefit of someone else in his or her soul group?

Gates Mckibbin: Absolutely. Yeah, it’s absolutely possible. On the world stage, when I see things occurring that are in the news, my first thoughts is, “oh, he or she is playing the role perfectly.” that individual is playing the role that he or she came in to play, and they’re doing it perfectly to hold up a mirror for all of us to say, okay, are we going to allow this to continue or not?

all I can say is. I believe that we each come in with a purpose. And sometimes, the purpose that we’re pursuing can be defined by most of us as awful or negative. But maybe the people who are the most extreme in that area really are giving us the biggest opportunity to wake up and take our power back and get our voice back and say, this cannot continue, or to dig deep and forgive if it’s an interpersonal relationship. So I’m not someone who thinks that just because someone is doing something I perceive to be negative or destructive or whatever, that that is necessarily what everybody would call a bad thing. The question is what’s the opportunity here.

Johnny Burke: What’s the opportunity, and there is no coincidence. I think that’s where a lot of people, myself included get a little confused. We talk about light, love and doing a good thing and ignoring the negative or just trying to look past It. I think a lot of us will miss the point, and it’s not really our fault because this isn’t really something that’s really taught in the mainstream. We’re just trying to make sense of everything. But another way to look at this I believe is that if everything in everyone is pretty much where they are supposed to be, according to what they agree to when they came into this incarnation, then I guess we just do what, we let it play out.? Hopefully, we learned from it. It gets confusing, doesn’t it?

Gates Mckibbin: It does get confusing. The people who are coming in, let’s just say, and being the most destructive, let’s look at it that way, from that third-dimensional perspective. They have the opportunity to do some pretty significant soul searching and decide to shift their, lives and decide to release whatever that pattern is and move beyond it. Probably those who come in and are the most destructive have been that way for many, many lifetimes. It gets more and more extreme. And so they’re here as difficult as it might be for them individually, they’re here to basically face it and say, I choose not to act that way or engage with the world that way any longer.

Johnny Burke: Right? but they have to go through that in order to reach that point where they say, “I can’t do this anymore, and I need to go back. ”

Gates Mckibbin: Exactly. And then that becomes the catalyst for their own transformation, but it has to come from within them. And we don’t know, we can’t know any of that, but what we can know is that it does no one any good to either deny or energize the darkness. . We can do something different with our lives.

Johnny Burke: what else can we learn from The saga of Luke and Grace?

Gates Mckibbin: The saga involves shared love. Unconditional love between two people, and others who incarnate with them throughout . That love in the face of compromised love, our lovelessness that exists in the context in which they’re being born. So, after Atlantis, the couple are born England around 24 A D and have to face the Roman invasion that occurs about 20 years later. They marry, but there is this violence and the intention of the Roman empire to control an entire culture with a long history through military dominance. And so what happens with their love in that context? who are they individually and together as they face that? And that becomes the question in the second novel. In the third novel, he’s born a , Roman Senator, she is a Greek slave. This is about 120 AD.

And according to the laws of Rome, senators cannot marry slaves or slaves who have been freed. It is legally prohibited. They’re born into a situation. When they meet and they realize they love each other from prior lifetimes, they cannot come together in marriage. Society is preventing it. So what occurs then? What happens to their relationship? How do they move forward? And in the fourth novel, which takes place on the 1600s. He is a count with a huge landholding that he’s inherited, a large estate. She’s born the daughter of a Venetian courtesan and a Senator. The minute she’s born, she’s taken to a convent to be raised by nuns and she ends up being sent to France and, decides at age 21, not to take her vows. And so they’re born in these radically different circumstances. How do they come together?

Johnny Burke: and each incarnation there’s challenges,

Gates Mckibbin: Exactly. And so this is a love story, but it’s not a frilly, little love story. It’s the story of two people and others who incarnate with them. Two people who love each other across lifetimes but come into these incarnations and face obstacles that would tear asunder a love that isn’t as strong as theirs. But in each story, their love survives. It survives all of this that I just described. It’s really so heartening for me to talk about these novels because they are affirmations that at the end of the day, love is our only reality. Love is all that’s real.

Johnny Burke: I won’t go any further than that because there’s no way could ever say anything more important. That’s it -love wins.

Gates Mckibbin: Last.

Johnny Burke: Excellent. Gates, thanks for joining us today on Closer to Venus. Great stuff, your books and the way the books were composed and so on. We really appreciate it and I’m sure there’s going to be a part two at some point. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Gates Mckibbin: My website http://www.lovehopegive.com. They can check out my four novels. My other book called Epic Steps that contains messages from three presidents and also a series of seven books. I published a number of years ago.

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