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#192 Dr. Heather Kristian Strang: Creating Your Golden Age

September 21, 2024 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Dr. Heather Kristian Strang. She is a mystic, author, podcast host and metaphysical psychologist. Her work involves supporting us in co-creating our own personal golden age. And in this episode discuss what we’re doing here on earth at this time, and how you can live your own golden age now. Kristian, welcome to the program.

Kristian Strang: Thank you so much for having me, Johnny. I’m really excited to be here- Closer to Venus. How could I say no to that? I just love that title of your podcast.

Johnny Burke: I could not agree more. And we thank you for that. So, our own personal golden age-we’re pretty excited to hear about this too. So, your journey began when you had some experience, with energy medicine healing. Is that correct?

Kristian Strang: Yeah, it didn’t start out that way, but I did have a major health crisis in 2007, and I was not able to be treated successfully in the traditional ways, and that really launched me on a whole journey of trying to understand what was going on with my body and how to heal my body.

Johnny Burke: And you also had a near-death experience in 2008 where you apparently saw Angels. Tell us about that.

Kristian Strang: Yeah.

Yeah, so this is the journey I went on when western medicine and even naturopathic and acupuncture wasn’t helping my physical body symptoms. I had this chance encounter with this woman that I had never met before. I saw her at like a networking event, and she started talking to me about these healers in Brazil and that they do psychic healings. And the minute she started talking about it, I knew I had to go. I didn’t have the money for it. I cobbled it together and I went within nine months of meeting her, I went with her. I had met her for the first time, but I went with her on this trip and looking back, I think this is just so crazy that I did this, but it all just came together for me.

And so I was able to get there. We’re in the middle of nowhere, Brazil. I go and have psychic surgery- we’re totally sober. I want to clarify that, ’cause sometimes people think I was doing plant medicine. No, this is totally sober. So I go there, they take a group of people into a small room and they start, this woman starts praying over us in Portuguese. and as she’s praying over us, I start to feel all these things. moving in my body, like something’s inside, of me. And I felt this tapping on my knee from the inside out, this tapping on my womb from the inside out and all of us started crying. It was this very intense experience. It felt like it lasted about five minutes, but we were really in there for 30 minutes.

And when we finished, they said, now you’ve had a surgery. We applied an anesthesia. So you’re going to feel totally fine right now, but you need to stay resting and sleeping for at least 24 hours. You have to stay in the bed. I thought this was kind of silly. I felt a little l kind of woozy, but I felt fine physically, but they were really like serious, you have to stay in your bed for 24 hours and within a couple of hours from that surgery or a few hours from that surgery, I fell into a very, deep sleep. And upon waking from that sleep, I could not, move my body, I needed to get up to go to the bathroom, but I could not get, out of the bed.

So it was my first time ever having this kind of experience where all my life force energy was gone. As the only way I can explain it. I had no strength to lift my arm or get out of the bed or do anything, and I started to panic because I didn’t know what to do. There’s no cell phone technology, you know, my friend is off doing something I’m just I’m lying in this twin bed by myself in the middle of Brazil. I have no one who can help me. And I start panicking and I think, well, I don’t know what else to do. So I just started praying and I had not prayed in like six, seven years, many years. And I just started praying,

Johnny Burke: This was a psychic surgery? They didn’t use surgical tools or anything like that. There wasn’t any invasive type of surgery, right?

Kristian Strang: Absolutely. not. I was not touched at all. I was only prayed over.

Johnny Burke: It sounds a lot like shamanism and it’s not the first time I’ve heard about psychic surgery which happened in Brazil.What is it about Brazil and psychic surgery anyway?

Kristian Strang: Well, they have spiritual hospitals there where, how they treat mental health issues and addiction is all in this way, with psychic surgeries, with prayers, with entity removals. I think it’s brilliant. I would love to see this come to the United States. This is really how we should be treating illness, especially mental illness and addiction, and they have incredible success rates.

Johnny Burke: Do you have any experience with shamanism or not really?

Kristian Strang: No, No. experience with shamanism at all.

Johnny Burke: All right. Because that’s exactly what this sounds like, which again, is very cool and it’s very much an alternative to Western Medicine the way we know it. And many of us do know that shamanism is ages old 40, 50,000 years or maybe even more than that. So, how has this experience connected to the near-death experience, or how is it related?

Kristian Strang: So, this is what happened. I couldn’t move. I thought I was going to die. I started to pray and in my prayer, I said, if you let me live through this, I will do whatever you want me to do, God. At that time I was a journalist. And literally like within a few minutes of me uttering this prayer, I started feeling this wave of energy. I started feeling my body, my vital life force energy coming back to my body. Now it took me four days to be able to walk after that. I still had to crawl to the bathroom and my friend came back and, she brought in Naturopathic the doctor with her. She saw, me it was like, oh, something’s wrong and the Naturopath said, “oh, your anesthesia wore off.” But they just prayed over me. It wasn’t like real anesthesia. I mean, this is the real fricking deal.

Johnny Burke: Now these people also sound like energy workers.Energy healers? That’s exactly what it sounds like. Okay.

Kristian Strang: Absolutely.

Johnny Burke: Energy healers and naturopaths, here in the states are not necessarily the same thing, but maybe in their practice it is It’s very advanced if you think about it, because we are energy after all, right?

Kristian Strang: That’s right. That’s then I would wake up at night after that happened, these light beings would come to me at night, and they would be checking on my body to see how everything was going, and I would just see them hovering above me, making contact with my body. But all I felt was love. I didn’t feel afraid. I didn’t feel frightened or scared. I just felt this immense love, and I would just fall right back to sleep.

Johnny Burke: Light beings. Now, do you remember what they look like or, are the light beings the same thing as the angels that you referred to earlier?

Kristian Strang: So there would be these golden or like orbs that would be hovering all over my body and I would feel this tremendous love. And then once I could walk again. So this was about four or five days later. It was nighttime and I was out in the community area in the Pasada and someone had just had surgery and there was an angel outside of their door. In This instance, I saw, a gold outline. It kind of looked like an Egyptian being, but you could see wings behind it, and they were guarding the door of that individual.

Johnny Burke: You saw wings.

Kristian Strang: Yes. Yes.

Johnny Burke: Yes.

Kristian Strang: And it was an outline, and it was all in gold. At that time, this is before digital technology, like camera phones. So we all had like, you know, those little disposable cameras and some people had regular cameras. We’d be taking pictures, trying to see, you know, if they would show when we developed the film. And there was one gal who had, photos that she developed, and you could see exactly what we had seen, which was the gold outline of the being outside the door.

Johnny Burke: Do you have any of those photographs now?

Kristian Strang: I do not.

Johnny Burke: Was that the near-death experience or did that come later?

Kristian Strang: No, that was my near-death experience of waking up, not being able to move, and then my prayer is what brought me back to life. And then I started having healing energy coming out of my hands and psychic knowledge. I didn’t study to be a healer or study to have psychic abilities, but that immediately came online after that experience.

Johnny Burke: When you say came online, which means it’s an ability that you kind of inherited somehow. All right. So that ability manifested after the experience, which is pretty common with near-death experience survivors, whether they flatline or not.

I interviewed one gentleman who told me about how had like mediumistic type abilities after his first near death experience, and he said he did not want that. It’s not like he was saying, please let me be able to talk to the dead, because, that’s pretty scary. Speaking of which, did you have any experiences like that before or after this experience?

Kristian Strang: I had no real psychic experiences up until this experience. Then I started having the healing energy. Dead people started coming to me in 2012. Then I started spontaneous channeling in 2015. And like the gentleman you interviewed, I did not want any of this. This was not something I was training to be or trying to be. It just spontaneously happened through my, through my life.

Johnny Burke: When you start to have the experiences of the dead reaching out to you or appearing, tell us about how that happened. What did they look like? How did it feel and, and that type of thing.

Kristian Strang: So my experience was, I would wake up in the middle of the night and I would see like a shadow of someone in my bedroom, and I didn’t feel like terrified, but I did feel like I don’t want them here. So I would say” I don’t feel comfortable. with you being in my room. I would like you to leave” and then the next night, now it was a few beings. It was kind of like they were lined up. I would see these shadows kind of in a line, so my bed was like here, and then they were off out to the side here standing.

And then finally I told someone about this, and they said you get to choose if you want to be a medium or not. So you can set boundaries. with them. So, what I did was I said, listen, I understand you have messages. for me. They would start telling me, will you tell my mom, Will you tell this person. and I said, listen, the only way I feel comfortable doing this, is if you send your people that you want to give a message to, to my practice, my private practice. I was now a healer, so I became a healer after all of this. So I said, I will convey your messages in a healing session, but I can’t just have you in my bedroom at night giving me these messages.

Johnny Burke: In other words, that’s like saying, first of all, you’re scaring the hell out of me, I think. but rather than do that, come to my practice where I’ll actually get paid for it and then you’ll get your message delivered.

Kristian Strang: right. That’s right. I am not doing this in the middle of the night.

Johnny Burke: It’s so cool to hear about this because those people that those messages are meant for are probably, very, very grateful for the connection that you make. I understand that’s more appropriate for them to come through in a session where you can actually make the connection where it makes sense as opposed to calling somebody up, like, yeah hi Kristian? Yeah, I’ve got a note from this person who passed away 20 years ago. It probably would not land very well. Right?

Kristian Strang: Well, to be honest, johnny, I’ve had that happen a couple of times and it doesn’t land well, because they’re not asking for that information. So when someone comes to my private practice and they’re having a session, they’re open to some kind of, you know, psychic, spiritual event happening so they can receive the message.

The two times that’s happened to me where I felt so compelled because the dead person was so persistent, I finally gave the message to the person they wanted and the person was like, oh, this is weird. They could not really receive it, [so it just doesn’t work that way. You really need somebody who’s receptive to receive those messages.

Johnny Burke: Yeah. that makes total sense. Let’s talk about the channeling, when that started. What was that like? What kind of beings did you communicate with?

Kristian Strang: That was probably one of the scarier experiences for me. Again, I wasn’t trying to channel, I didn’t know any channelers. I wasn’t looking to do that. I had just been at that point, operating a private practice for five years maybe. I had been doing energy healing work in a private practice, And then I started having what felt like panic attacks. And I’d had panic attacks when I was a young girl, which I now Understand what panic attacks really are. They are psychic experiences, so if folks are having those kinds of experiences, it’s not something you need to take a pill for to get rid of. It’s actually you’ve picked up on some intense psychic energy or spiritual energy that you need to find out what’s the purpose of this.

So I’m now, far into my healing path. I’m doing energy healing work, and I start having what feels like panic attacks, but it’s not tracking with what I know about what a panic attack is. So I just asked, what’s happening to me? and I heard, “go get your laptop.” I went and got my laptop, “sit in meditation.” They know the tools we have so I was like, get your

Johnny Burke: Go get your laptop. Don’t forget the power supply.

Kristian Strang: Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Exactly. Make sure you get everything you need. Go into meditation. So I sat there and meditated for like 30 minutes with my laptop. And then finally I heard open up your laptop and then, my fingers just started moving. I put my fingers on the keyboard and I type a hundred words a minute, so, and I’m a writer by trade. So I was just going and I couldn’t even keep up with what was coming through. I was just, staying out of the way so that the typing could come through.

Johnny Burke: I had a few people that talked about that. One called herself a scribe for spirit– automatic writing. it’s kind of like that, but instead of [00:14:00] writing, you’re actually typing, which it’s the same thing. It’s coming from a different source. Did you even remember anything about what you were typing at, or not really?

Kristian Strang: No. So, and, how fast it was coming through I could not have kept up. I love handwriting, but I could not keep up or been able to read what I had written. So I think that’s why they had me typing and when it was done, any sense of anxiety was gone. I had so much peace just flowing through my body as that experience was happening. And then I read what I wrote. and I was like, whoa, this is something.

It was a transmission, it was like a message from the divine. And I later was able to through conversation deduct that I was channeling five ascended masters, Jesus was one of them. St. Francis of Assisi, King Solomon, King David and John the Baptist. So they were, coming to me as a collective. I didn’t know what to do with the transmission, so I just put them on my blog and I just said to my community, Hey, I would love to hear about your experience with this. This just started happening to me. And people started saying, oh my God, I am like having so many chills and tears and I had this pain in my hand and it went away when I read this and these magical butterflies all came, to me. People started having all of these experiences. So I just kept writing them every day and putting them on the blog.

Johnny Burke: Okay. For the skeptics out there, I have to ask how do you really know that was them? In other words, was it Christ? Was it really St. Francis of Assisi, et cetera?

Kristian Strang: The only way I could say that I know is just because I felt so much love and peace every time I would bring through the transmission. Someone could argue, well, there are other high vibrational beings, perhaps, I just know that’s what was shared with me. It felt resonant and it was just so much love and so much peace. It was the most beautiful feeling that I’d ever felt in my life every time I would be bringing through their messages.

Johnny Burke: Were you able to like ask questions or were you just basically a receiver?

Kristian Strang: It was more just receiving. That’s how my experience has been. Now, I might be asking questions in my life leading up to that. So in conversations I’d have with clients or just in my own like desire to understand what’s happening in the world. I might utter a question, but when I’m in the channeling phase, I’m just receiving, there’s no dialoguing. I might have over time as I, you know, did this. Now that’s been since 2015. Now, sometimes as it’s happening, my mind will kind of pop in, with what about this? And then I’ll immediately get an answer, but I’m really in that receiving state when I’m bringing it through.

Johnny Burke: During these types of experiences, I’ve noticed the topics of, past lives do come up. Was that something that you were able to view or not really?

Kristian Strang: No, no, what I was bringing through and what I continue to bring through are really messages for how we can create the best life here on Earth, or our own personal golden age or personal heaven on Earth. That’s really the mission of the ascended masters I was working with. Then I started working with Mary Magdalene, and that has been the focus. How do we as humans live our best experience now? How do we create our own golden age now even though there’s so much craziness happening in the greater like world governments and organizations. So that’s really the really the focus.

Johnny Burke: That’s actually one of the few times that has not come up, because usually when somebody talks about channeling and you made allusions which sounds a lot like shamanism, that tends to come up a lot; ancestors and that type of thing. Especially when you’re talking about channeling that often brings forth beings that are not living here on earth in 2024. Let’s talk about the Golden Age. First of all, what is the Golden Age? And how can we have that in the, here and now? Especially with all the chaos, which is hard to ignore.

Kristian Strang: Yeah, so my understanding based on my connection with Spirit, with the Divine, is that we have been in the dark ages and since 2012, it started trickling in more light trickled onto the earth, and then we received another big infusion of light in 2021. Since 2020 we’ve been in a cleansing process and we are working our way into a collective golden age. I. Meaning leaving the dark ages behind, leaving behind this psychic and physical Interference with humans thriving.

Johnny Burke: What you’re talking about sounds a lot like, from what I’ve heard from other intuitives talking about moving from the Piscean Age into the Aquarian age. Of course, it’s very hard to pinpoint when it happened or when it’s going to happen, but is that what the golden age, is it the same thing? It is the same thing. Right. And you also mentioned psychic interference. Another thing I’ve heard about more than once is that there are star beings- which we’ll talk about in a moment. Some that are trying to keep us in this third density and some others that are trying to help us get out of it.

Kristian Strang: That’s exactly right. Yeah, that’s exactly what’s happening. So my understanding is the earth matrix has been sort of hijacked by these lower dimensional beings, and that hijacking is nearing its completion. Because now, we have more light on earth than density, and so we do have other star beings who are assisting us from the angelic realms and other high vibrational realms that are assisting us in moving into this Aquarian or golden age.

Johnny Burke: Does that have anything to do with the emergence of star seeds or even star children that have been born recently where they’re here on a mission? If you look at what’s happening on earth, like everywhere, its real chaos,

Kristian Strang: We’re seeing a real collapsing of the old systems. What you’ll also notice is that when you see this chaos, there’s also all this disclosure, that’s coming out, right? things that were hidden before. Now we know whose hidden agendas are at play, what’s really going on. That disclosure is available because of technology- thank you, internet, of allowing us to all communicate with each other in a way that we couldn’t before. So this is really such an enlightened time, and I know some people think, oh well, technology needs to go. It’s the bane of our existence. But it’s actually what’s allowed all of this disclosure to come up, It’s allowing Johnny and I to have this conversation for your podcast to exist. For my podcast to exist. I’m super grateful for all of the amazing ways that technology is supporting this time of enlightenment as we move into the golden age.

Johnny Burke: It is, and that golden age that you’re talking about cannot get here quick enough. You made a good point about disclosure. I think it’s silly to think that we are the only intelligent life form, given how big the universe is. Right?

Because apparently these light beings populated earth, I don’t know how many, hundreds of thousands of years ago, whatever it was. But the other thing that’s interesting is that this type of disclosure and this information can at one point literally rewrite our history.

Kristian Strang: That’s exactly what’s happening because we’re recognizing that so much of what we’ve been programmed to believe about history is literally a patriarchal story. It’s not at all what actually happened. if we’re doing this kind of work, Johnny we’re star seeds, you know, we’re light beings. And we came specifically to support this collective expansion. So I don’t ever use the term extraterrestrial or alien. That does not resonate. for me. It doesn’t resonate for my connection to spirit. That’s more of like a human term to make it seem scary or strange. and it’s There are so many realms watching the Earth show right now, and so many realms that are supporting us.

Johnny Burke: I’ve seen comics where you have these aliens and one will ask the other what are you watching? I’m watching Earth 2024. Yeah. What a shit show.

Kristian Strang: W

We’re the microcosm of the macrocosm. We’re the reality show and then we’re watching reality shows but like we are the OG reality sho. that everybody’s watching what’s happening on earth.

Johnny Burke: I But at the same time , there’s a lot of interesting things going on, like you said, moving from one age to another, disclosure, light versus dark in this struggle, it’s like a battle for the sun almost. The reason I ask you about if you can ask questions during instances of channeling I’d be tempted to ask well, is Harris going to win the election? You can’t blame me for that can you?

Kristian Strang: I mean, I can’t blame you for wanting to know, but, my connection to the divine at least, really wants us to stay focused on where our point of power is. And the political scene, all of that tends to just be distraction based. And so we’re really here to not be outsourcing our power to a government or, a country or even, like Jesus or Star Seeds coming to save us. We’re really here to be empowered and create our own golden age now, as opposed to waiting for someone else or the right circumstances to deliver it to us. So there’s not this waiting, and let’s wait and see who’s going to come to save us. But recognizing we are our own empowered savior, and we have the ability to change our part of the earth where we’re at.

Johnny Burke: I like that thought about not waiting for someone, to save us as Christ was apparently quoted as saying in the Nag Hammadi Gospels, don’t worship me, become me.

Kristian Strang: Exactly right.

Johnny Burke: n=No wonder the officers of the church threatened people with excommunication or death. They didn’t want those gospels being passed around. So they were hidden for ages.

Kristian Strang: Yeah. And there’s still more books that were written that have been hidden, but yes.

Johnny Burke: Or have been excised from the canon of the church. Wow, wonder why that was. That’s a story for another day. So is the solution to living, to creating a golden age, is it as simple as raising our vibration, or is it more complicated than that?

Kristian Strang: That’s a great question. I want to say we have to start with raising our vibration because no action that’s aligned can come from a vibration that’s stuck in like misery or victimhood. So really daily meditation is something that I’m such a believer in and that I encourage everyone to partake in because that’s an easy freeway to raise your vibration to a higher level. And then from that higher frequency, you will be inspired to take actions that actually create sustainable results. So often we’re taking actions from a disempowered place, and then we won’t have the results that we truly desire. So raising the frequency has to come first. From that place of expansion, we can take more powerful action.

Johnny Burke: So something as simple daily meditation connecting to within, right? It’s not really complicated stuff, is it?

Kristian Strang: It’s not complicated at all and, and when you sit in meditation and when you do it consistently, now when I sit in meditation, I feel like I’m just plugging in. I’m plugging into source. And then everything you need to know for that day can be revealed to you. Okay? Take this action, do this, create this, reach out to this person, and you receive healing while you’re in meditation. When you are a daily practitioner over the long term, your meditation becomes a self-healing practice. It becomes a intuitive session. It has so many benefits for your life.

Johnny Burke: Let’s switch gears here. You had mentioned, some ascended masters earlier. You also mentioned Mary Magdalene. This comes up a lot with women that have had channeling experiences. Why do you suppose her story is getting so much attention at the moment?

Kristian Strang: We are at a time where there is an increase of light on the earth and Mary Magdalene is the beloved, or when she was on earth, the wife of Jesus Christ. So it’s important that as we are experiencing greater light on earth. We all are aware of the masculine light that Jesus carried. It’s also important that we’re aware of the feminine Christ, the feminine light that Mary Magdalene carried.

So the reason everyone is talking about her these days and the reason why she’s so prolific right now is because the awareness was low about her. And now with all of the light that has built to this higher tipping point. We can’t look away. We have to know who she really was and the importance of her, and I believe holy union that occurs between the masculine and the feminine, whether it’s inside a human or in a couple.

Johnny Burke: Does she represent something like the divine feminine or is it something different?

Kristian Strang: Now She represents the goddess just like Yeshua or Jesus represents the God energy.

Johnny Burke: I remember we were raised Catholic, born in New Jersey, in the Northeast. We were told that Mary Magdalene was not an evil person, but just a second class citizen.

Kristian Strang: That’s the story that the church told was. that she was a prostitute. Jesus had to exercise her seven demons, all this crazy stuff, but you know what they did? They got so much pushback over time, they decided to make her a saint and they gave her a feast day. so now the Catholic church has backpedaled on their whole story about her-

Johnny Burke: which is really bizarre Really strange.

Kristian Strang: They just had too many sightings, so people were having too many sightings of her. There’s so many churches in Europe that they’ve said, oh, these are Mother Mary churches, but they’re actually Mary Magdalene churches. So it was, too much was coming out. So they had to honor her in some way because they were going to have a huge problem if they didn’t. So they have changed the official narrative. But if we look at our culture, of course the men in the church who created the Bible canon are also going to squash any story of a powerful feminine being that walked alongside the powerful masculine.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard quite a few people talk about the divine feminine, one of the episodes, not too long ago, was called The Rise of the Divine Feminine, but I’ve also been told that it’s really more of balancing the masculine and the feminine. If that’s true, does that coincide with moving out of one age into another, or is it just something different?

Kristian Strang: No, it’s a direct part of that. So the first thing we have to do is recognize there’s a feminine energy that needs to be honored, right? So that’s coming up to the surface. And then we need to balance the masculine and the feminine that it lives within us because we’re vibratory beings, we’re energetic beings. So what we’re carrying in our advanced technology body is going to manifest around us. So yes, I believe it is bringing in the awareness that the masculine and the feminine lives within each of us. Then harmonizing those energies so they can work together within us, and then we can create more equitable, more beautiful relationships- romantically and otherwise with masculine and feminine, because we’ll have that greater harmonization.

Johnny Burke: And how exactly do we do that? Or is that a course we have to take? that sounds a little complicated. Shouldn’t be, but it is.

Kristian Strang: I don’t want to say it’s complicated. It does take effort and focus, and that’s really by making ourselves aware of what are the stories that I’m caring about. Masculine energy, what are the stories I’m caring about feminine energy. And then any of those stories that are harmful or wounded, we can heal those, and we can heal those through self-healing sessions, through healing sessions with a trusted practitioner.

So we’re just clearing the, gunk, so to speak, and all the programming and lies that doesn’t serve us. And then the natural state of who we are rises to the surface. So it’s not so much we have to get In there and like. You know, I got to fix what I think and we just have to delete the programs and the stories that are wound based and that are harmful, and then our natural self is harmonious. So your true self rises to the surface and your true self is balanced. Masculine -feminine energy.

Johnny Burke: Sounds like a defragmentation program or just deleting all the corrupted files, you know?

Kristian Strang: Exactly.

Johnny Burke: Great stuff. Anything else we should know? at least for tonight?

Kristian Strang: Oh, so many things I want to tell you. I would say the biggest thing for folks when you’re thinking about creating your golden age is to spend time and meditation and just think about what would make my heart so happy? What would make me so joyful? How would I like to live that would bring true joy? And I don’t mean joy like out here or like, oh, it looks good on social media. I mean like you feel an expansion in your chest and you feel like this, oh this joy filling, your, body. That’s the kind of joy we’re going for. And then do whatever you have to do to create that.

Johnny Burke: Joy that comes from within; pleasure comes from an external source – words to live by, Doctor, thanks for coming onto the show tonight. Great stuff. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Kristian Strang: Hmm. Thank you so much, Johnny. If you go to sacred -spirituality.org, I have free meditations, transmissions free chapters to my books, all kinds of fun things for folks to peruse that will help support them in creating their golden age..

Johnny Burke: I will put that into the show notes and the transcript as well. You’ve been listening to Closer To Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing. You can find more information on closer to venus.com and mindbodyspirit.fm/shows/closer-to-venus. Thanks for tuning in and we’ll see you next time.

#152 Bhavna Megh: Energy Healing

December 16, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Energy Healing

#bhavnamegh, #energyhealing, #energymedicine, #merkaba, #NLP, #reiki, #spiritguides, #timelinetherapy

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Bhavna Megh, she is a mindset and energy coach and founder of Stepping Into You. Her work combines experience in human behavior, wellness and energy medicine to help individuals and their businesses release what no longer serves them. Today we’ll discuss how we can use our mind and body to be more in alignment with who we are and what we desire. Bhavna, welcome to the program.

Bhavna Megh: Thank you Johnny. Thanks for having me.

Johnny Burke: So what made you want to become an energy coach?

Bhavna Megh: , I’ve grown up with it, energy healing, but it was largely my own health and wellness journey that made me dive much, much more deeply into that.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, being able to heal my own body, and be well, be happy and healthy.

Johnny Burke: And I’ve noticed that from other people that I’ve interviewed energy healers, shamans, and people that practice energy medicine, which I think is pretty much the same thing as energy healing. Many of them discovered that practice from either trying to heal themselves, or someone close to them. You find the same thing?

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Even more recently, I’ve met a few people in my community and same thing, they were wanting to do something different and actually be in wellness at a physical level or a mental level, in themselves, and that led them down that path.

Johnny Burke: And often those people tried traditional methods, you know, going to the doctor and so on and. They turned to an alternative because the traditional method obviously didn’t work. I hear that a lot. Energy medicine, for those of us that are not really familiar with it, what’s the difference between that and energy healing? Or is it the same thing?

Bhavna Megh: It’s, for me, it’s more or less the same thing in terms of topic. But I find energy medicine is much more expansive in terms of capturing what it is that we’re doing, whereas energy healing feels sometimes for me, it’s me doing something to somebody else and fixing them where it is actually, you know, opening up and helping and facilitating an individual to really tap into that own knowing capability themselves. So energy Medicine feels more expansive than energy healing.

Johnny Burke: Now, were there any other influences that kind of inspired you to follow this path? Or did you just decide one day I’m going to try something different?

Bhavna Megh: Well, I’ve grown up with energy healing. My mom’s a healer and when we were unwell as kids, myself and my siblings, she would do ritual chores with us to, to shift whatever was going on. We’d often see people coming just walk up at the front door and say, ” oh, my child is sick, and can you help? or I’m not feeling well. Can you help? ” So I’ve grown up with it. But when I was unwell as a teenager and was on heavy, heavy medication, it was when I got into my twenties that really, I thought to myself, I don’t want to be on medication every single day for the rest of my life. There’s got to be something else out there. I started exploring reiki as a modality, as an energy medicine. And then kind of everything avalanche or cascaded from there.

Johnny Burke: Reiki is also another common denominator with intuitives. So is Reiki a modality of energy healing or is it something different?

Bhavna Megh: I would call it a modality. So it’s got its own structure and form. It’s using symbols that have been established. So, when I look at the different modalities that I’ve worked with, they’ve got their own, I guess a thought form and an energy field around it in itself. And the frequencies that have been attuned into all of that is what you are able to gift and share with others as well as, , , tapping into source energy as well. So I personally would call it a modality. Other people may think differently.

Johnny Burke: Since we’re talking about frequencies and this practice has been in your family, and by the way, was that just one generation or is that tradition with your family, several generations old?

Bhavna Megh: It is several generations. So I recently found out that it goes at least back to my great-granddad and great-uncle. My granddad learned from his great-uncle. His dad passed away when he was quite young, so he learned his practices, which are broader than the ones that my mum used to practice when we were little. So I’m really excited to be able to spend some time with him soon to dive into that information. But yeah, very generational. Not to take away from anyone that’s learning it new and it, they haven’t had it. But I think there’s just this, this energy that kind of comes with that, the ancestral energy that’s passed down with that as well, which is really beautiful.

Johnny Burke: Well, the ancestral energy definitely conjures images and thoughts of shamanism. I’ve been told that energy healing and shamanism are very much related., but I think many of us get confused; is energy healing part of shamanism or shamanism part of energy healing?

Bhavna Megh: yeah, good question. I would say there’s a lot of similarities. My experience with Shamanism has been a lot of that working with nature. So a lot of shamans that I’ve, come across, work a lot with plant medicines which I love. I use essential oils and herbs and plants and have been part of my own wellness journey for such a long time. So it’s being able to tap into that nature aspect, but not to discount the spiritual connection that they actually have.

Johnny Burke: It’s interesting to note that someone who has those kinds of tendencies that can become a shaman and has that potential can easily be, mistaken for someone who’s got some kind of mental illness.

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s because we’ve been brought up with such a, a very, systemized approach to health, in the Western world, that spiritual aspect isn’t necessarily part of health and wellbeing. It’s not necessarily part of somebody being a whole human. When you go to a doctor, they’re not necessarily looking at your body, mind, and spirit as a whole picture to support you in getting well. I see where individuals may be presenting what could be easily labeled as a mental health condition. My perspective on it is that they’ve experienced and are storing and holding some sort of emotional trauma. They’re experiencing and holding some sort of energy that needs to be supported, moved, heard, for it to then be able to pass and for that person to be able to reset to a point of balance and come back into a state of balance and it feels just gentler to be honest. It feels when you, when you consider that the mind, body, and spirit is simply out of balance, when we’re presenting different conditions, we are then taking a, a approach to bring it back into balance. We’re not saying someone’s sick, it’s like we’re just out of balance. Where are we out of balance and let’s explore what that where is.

Johnny Burke: It seems like even though this practice is 30, 40,000 years old, if not older, it seems much more advanced than, let’s say the, the Western model of medicine. Do you agree?

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, absolutely. There’s so much we don’t know. There’s so much in all of that. I hate calling it magic because it’s not magic, and magic is only something that science hasn’t proven yet, but we’re also in a really wonderful place in time where technology , has shown so many advances that we are starting to be able to measure things. things likeall of the different quantum sciences, being able to demonstrate how connected everything is

Johnny Burke: Everything is connected. Everything is energy.

Bhavna Megh: Yeah. when you’ve had somebody in the energy medicine world saying, well, we’re all connected. Everything’s energy, we’re all connected. And then 40 years later, quantum entanglement is proving that through tests. How wonderful. Because now the person that you were calling crazy before, it’s like, oh, actually they were well beyond their years. They were well beyond time and space to be able to be doing that and being in the truth of that.

Johnny Burke: You also discovered NLP in your studies, neurolinguistic programming. I’m interested to know how did you become interested in that and what impact has that had on your studies and on your path?

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, so I, um, came across it when I was doing my master’s study in human resource development. I was already working in the space of people development, behavioral development, and was doing my master’s, study to be qualified in, to be able to then get other jobs to do what I was doing in that space. And one of the modules that I did was neurolinguistic programming, or actually I think it was a little segment inside a bigger module. And it just tickled me. It really piqued my curiosity. I’ve done a little bit of psychology in college and some self-study thereafter in between these two points. But NLP had interested me because we dived into a little bit of the use of language and how we can use language and really, really simple tools to be able to create shifts in state of being, create shifts in habits, create shifts in thoughts.

So after that little introduction in my master’s I looked for and signed up then studied and became an NLP practitioner and did hypnotherapy along with it, to go even deeper into being able to access and communicate with the subconscious mind and create change there.

Sometimes people wanted me to just hypnotize them when I was out at a therapeutic level to be able to support individuals to drop into things that they wanted to shift, and clear, traumas they were experiencing, stress that they were having and using NLP or both of those tools to support them in creating alignment to what they wanted to create in the future and the goals that they had and helping them to shift into states that were more aligned to that.

Johnny Burke: Now in the NLP training, I was told that actually very recently that timeline therapy is part of the training. Is that true?

Bhavna Megh: It is. So when I did my, training, I did it in the UK and timeline therapy for me was all part of the puzzle. I became aware when I moved to Australia timeline therapy was its own, almost like its own little bolt-on into NLP and hypnotherapy. For me, timeline therapy is being able to guide somebody either into the future or into the past.

Johnny Burke: Into the future.

Bhavna Megh: yeah.

Johnny Burke: Into the future.

Wow. Okay. I’ve heard a lot about the past lives, but, and actually the person that told me about timeline therapy did mention the future as well. So tell us more about that.

Bhavna Megh: It is really powerful if you consider that the subconscious mind is only present. It’s only present, and everything that you are experiencing, whether it’s actually happening in your physical reality right now, or you’re watching television, you are watching a show, you’re listening to a podcast and you’re having an emotional reaction. That’s you experiencing something. It’s your reality.

So working with timeline therapy going into the future, we would say, for example, set a goal for in five years’ time or 10 years time, work with the individual or with myself to in 12 months’ time, what does it see, sound, sense, feel like ?And completely embody that state of being. What have I achieved in 12 months’ time? What have I completed? And feel into every aspect of that, noticing what’s changed in reality, external reality as a result of the end of that 12 month, and then two years, three years, four years, and so on until the point of the goal. In doing that, you’re creating a sensory experience for your subconscious and your subconscious is not distinguishing anything differently from past, present, and future. So it becomes your reality now. So whatever you’re trying to create five years in the future, 10 years in the future, your body has already memorized it, putting you into alignment with now your conscious actions. So you’ve already experienced it to be real. So you could almost say that it’s magnetizing it towards you because your body’s kind of wondering, well, I already have that, so where is it? Like, let’s, let’s move faster, let’s do some things. And, you know, you’re drawing it into you and drawing it into your reality, so it’s really powerful.

Johnny Burke: And that’s related to the law of attraction, isn’t it ?

Bhavna Megh: Yeah.

Johnny Burke: you’ll experience what you expect, right? Experience it as if it’s already done

Bhavna Megh: Yeah, absolutely. The energy that you’re putting out, the frequency you’re putting out is the one that you’re pulling back in.

Johnny Burke: You’ve also done some channeling as well, and I believe you’ve channeled guides and what you described as other beings. Tell us how that began and what some of the experiences were. The ones that really stand out.

Bhavna Megh: I guess when it’s just happened, it’s been frequencies, energies, groups that I’ve been communicating with to create and support balance. and then when I’ve had, I believe it was one of my spirit guides come in, and then this other energy come in and in my physical body, I felt the shift in change and, I remember it felt like an elder.

I was doing some communication work with the indigenous elders here and it felt like one of them came in and my whole face felt like it shifted. My neck felt like it shifted. I was sitting cross-legged and I could feel the person within around me. And then at the same time, I feel like I feel there was my own spirit guide. So as that energy left, I feel like my own spirit guide decided to just jump in for a little bit of, a little bit of physical body time. It was an interesting experience. So again, that came with a bit of a shift and almost a change in my voice.

So when I’ve done, I call it going into surrogation, it’s connecting up with either another person’s energy field or a collective’s energy field. When I do that, which is much more of a conscious process for me, I feel the sensations of that other person, that being, that group within me. So I’ve been in Surrogation for example, the police force to try and do some gifting and loving and sharing some love and immediately I felt tightness around my neck and almost as if I was being punched in the gut over and over and over and over and over again. And I was like, oh, that’s really interesting. Being choked at the neck. So not being able to speak, not being able to challenge, and certainly being punched in the gut has an essence of that with that particular point in the body with the chakras. Your own identity, your ego, and that more so not being allowed to be. and my experience with that kind of surrogation, I mean, I’m really going into surrogation to, bring in a loving energy. I love myself. I am powerful. I am a creator. It’s safe. I’m safe. just to be able to share and infuse that into that collective energy. It’s a pretty intense experience sometimes. and often when with particular individuals where, people will say, oh, they’re a bad person. Oh, like, oh, just go and give them some love.

Johnny Burke: It seems like there are parallels between channeling and a lot of the shamanistic rites, traditions or practices, would you agree?

Bhavna Megh: Oh, definitely. Yeah, absolutely.

Johnny Burke: When you mention encountering elders, I can’t help but think that those elders might actually be in your bloodline. from maybe centuries or a couple generations back, did you ever get that feeling or

Bhavna Megh: I’ve had an energy healer, a reiki practitioner, actually feel into when I was having a session with her, and this was quite some years ago, and she’s had the vision of me as an elder with a group of women, talking about women’s rights of passage. And at the end of it, before she shared it with me, she asked me if I had family in Australia. I said, not that I’m aware of. I’ve got a few relatives that have moved over, maybe on the west coast. but I’ve not as ancestrally, but I think ancestrally if you look at it from that quantum world, everything’s connected. We’re all connected. And I feel and know I’m a very, very old soul. So I think I will keep coming back for a little bit more punishment!

Johnny Burke: Keep coming back, so that implies past lives. Do you have, any experience of your own or for that matter, past lives from maybe some of your clients? I.

Bhavna Megh: I can’t say where I completely sit with past lives. I am aware that I’ve had many, and I feel that my soul is very, very, knowing, experienced, which would then indicate that it’s lived many lives. I haven’t felt or seen anything of my own. That I have been so certain that it was a different life of mine, except one occasion. And it felt like a future me though. I feel there’s always been something with my abilities the parts of me that I already know to be connected. There’s a lot with me and the future. And seeing the future. so this one particular life, and it was in a meditation I had and saw my feet. There were shoes and there were men’s shoes. I was in trousers and I kind of pull myself out because I often get quite excited when I have a vision and drop back into the meditation. It’s like, let’s go back. So I went back into the meditation, and I could see myself, then I could feel then the standing up in this other body and moving and walking down this path. So that was a sensation, a very, very real sensation of me in another body, in a future life.

Johnny Burke: Especially in a different gender as well.

Bhavna Megh: Yeah. Yeah., and I’ve done some training where, when you’re looking at the Merkaba as a pyramid when they’re both up and down, so one’s masculine, one’s feminine, so each life is either going to be a feminine one or a masculine one. And then in a male body, female body, male, female, male female.

So there’s eight versions of you almost in this training that I did. which I didn’t reject. It felt like a truth to me. We have the potential to come back in whatever shape or form we would like. My own religious upbringing taught that when somebody dies, they’ll come back in the body of whatever animal, including humans, whatever animal represents the learning that needs to take place in their next lifetime. Part of the death rights, and rituals that we do in Hinduism, we place a plate of rice under the body, and it said that the footprints of the animal, that that person is going to come back as will be in the rice. I had an uncle pass away and his daughter-in-law looked at that plate and told me that there were bird footprints in there.

I was not in the same spiritual place that I am now. That was, maybe 20 years ago. And I I couldn’t quite figure out what would it mean if I looked and there were bird footprints in there? What would that do to my own reality? Is it easier for me to not look and pretend that she’s lying, but what reason does she have to lie?

Culturally we’ve been brought up with, we reincarnate and human is the opportunity for us to be able to ascend and go back, you know, return to source. Provided we learned all the lessons needed to learn.

Johnny Burke: A moment ago you brought up the Merkaba which I believe goes back to ancient civilizations. So for those of us who don’t know what it is, what is it and how did you discover that?

Bhavna Megh: I discovered it through Drunvalo Melchizedek. so I did a couple of his programs, one online and one in person with, one of his trainers. and the merkaba is a geometric shape, when you look into the world of geometrics, don’t take what I say as gospel, it’s just my interpretation and understanding of it. But it is an energetic field that is placed that can be activated, the masculine and feminine pulling earth energy and sky energy, or universe energy to create a field around the body. All around a thing.

So after I did my training, we learned and went through the process of activating the Merkaba around our own field, our own bodies. And really the most powerful way to do that is simply through intention, being able to drop completely into your heart and asking for it to activate. What it’s doing is creating a. I feel a balancing, positive energy around your whole being

Johnny Burke: Raising our vibration; we hear about this a lot. We know it’s important, but why are we hearing so much about it now?

Bhavna Megh: So I think the increase in the awareness of it, the message around it, the communication of it is a shift that’s happening globally. so we are hearing more and more people talk about it. Why is it important? It’s important from my perspective to be able to, as part of shifting and clearing what is and what a lot of people will call the shadow aspects of self, but really being able to love all aspects of ourselves.

So when we are able to love and release the fear that we are carrying, whether that fear is anxiety, worry, hate, that has manifested into sickness of whatever kind, when we’re able to love on that, we start to heal it and allow space for that to heal, which in turn does increase our own personal frequency. And as that collective frequency is increasing, people are becoming more and more aware it’s one of those things where once it’s come by you maybe once or twice it’s almost the same principle as if you’re going to buy a new car. You decide on a car that you think nobody else has really got, and then you go see it in the showroom, and then for the next few weeks or months, you see it everywhere.
We open up our awareness to raising frequency. We might have seen it in an ad on social media. We may have watched something, a communication or an interview. And it just slipped in and then we are more aware of it and it allows that information to come in even more until you are ready to explore it as an individual. Collectively I feel the frequency of everything on planet slowly shifting and changing. You can see old systems,patterns desperately holding onto what is known, simply by the fact that there’s more and more of that being pushed out. It’s often what happens on an individual level when you’re trying to shift into a new state. Your body as it’s memorized its way of being, it’s habitualized this way of being. It’ll put up resistances to creating the shift into the new state because this is memorized. This is easy, this is habit, and the current state is the path of least resistance to existing.

When you change, it becomes uncomfortable, unknown, and your subconscious mind is wonderfully creative in getting you to stay in the way that you are right now. So we’re experiencing that on a global level. We are experiencing the path of least resistance holding on as we are shifting collectively, into, into higher frequencies. There’s conversations where people will say, it’s not about saving anyone, or we need to save everybody, but I think it’s just starting here, loving self, loving more of yourself, and allowing yourself to heal. And that is the raising of frequency.

Johnny Burke: Does it have anything to do with moving from the three D world to the five D world, or is that a different discussion altogether?

Bhavna Megh: It’s a bigger discussion definitely and certainly, yes. When you’re moving from three D, you’re simply looking at self. It’s you who are this one being in this one place. When you are moving in shifting into five D it’s the connection to everything. It’s the connection to all beings. I feel that’s where your potential for manifestation of things is just exponential because you are connected to it all. There’s no separation of you and the thing that you want in your life or desire. There’s no separation between you and another person, so it’s much, much more malleable done obviously from a place of love.

Johnny Burke: Isn’t it more about moving away from fear, towards love and at the same time it’s more of a group consciousness?

Bhavna Megh: Yes, is a short answer to that. I think there’s an aspect of when, love and fear are on a duality. Over the last few years I’ve felt into rather than being sitting on the duality of one or the other, it’s not about sitting in extreme bliss and euphoria. It’s about being in oneness as a human being, or consciousness experiencing itself as a human being. It’s being able to be in that zero point in oneness to be able to ebb and flow out of that whole experience. So that does certainly require a lot more love to be able to allow what comes up and is triggering to move through rather than becoming attached. And equally for what we experience on a human level as being love, fun and joy again, to be able to move through and not be attached.

And from the group consciousness perspective, the more we as individuals are allowing ourselves to come to that point of oneness and not sticking in a place with experiences, good, bad, right, wrong. We’re generally moving into a very, very big expansive flow state. We are simply in the present moment.

Johnny Burke: Now you believe that the more we remember who we are, the more we raise consciousness. When you say remember, what exactly does that mean?

Bhavna Megh: Remembering our complete potential. We look at and have been shown superhero movies for decades now and there’s even language when individuals have this healing potential, this, being able to see into the future, being able to communicate with spirits, they’re superhuman. It’s like they’re remembering, I don’t see them at that as a superpower. I see that as a remembering of our true self, of complete or more of the capacity and potential that we have in our nature. Who we are is a programmed human based on all of the things that we’ve experienced through our childhood, from our parents, from our families, from our environments, school, all of the different various systems. We’ve become this version of human, but our version of human is just way out here.

It’s remembering that aspect. It’s remembering that our physical body knows how to heal itself and its remembering that any one of us can put a hand on somebody else’s shoulder and they will feel the healing from that. They’ll feel the loving energy from that, and it will go to where it needs to go with the right intentions.

Johnny Burke: So anyone can become that powerful to heal another person.

Bhavna Megh: Anyone can remember to become that powerful to heal the person. So it’s not becoming it, it’s simply dropping back into the nature of who you really are and the truth of who you really are.

Johnny Burke: What’s the easiest way for us to actually drop back into or remember who we are?

Bhavna Megh: Loving and healing the aspects of yourself that create discomfort, dis-ease. That’s on a physical, emotional and mental level and a spiritual level, energetic level. Being able to love and release that, feel it and free it, is one of my favorite ways to describe that process. If you’ve got hurt, feel it, free it, let it go so that you can return back to a point of zero. It’s all of the hurt that holds us and confines us to what we are not able to do. That’s what creates that reality. But when we love more on the hurt to release it out, we open up the potential of who we are. Not everybody wants to be a healer. That’s okay. But even on a very day to day-to-Day business professional level, you can open up your potential by releasing some of the anxiety, releasing some of the worry to be in more peace, to be in more creation, because that’s actually who you are.

Johnny Burke: I think we need more healers everywhere. That’s my thought. So, Bhavna thanks so much for joining us tonight. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Bhavna Megh: They can find me at my website, which is steppinginto you.com, or they can follow me on Instagram. My handle is @steppingintoyou.

#79 Amelia Vogler: Energy medicine and Soul Truama

July 23, 2022 by jonny

Energy Healing

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer To Venus, I’m Johnny Burke and today’s guest is Amelia Vogler. She is an energy medicine specialist, meditation guide and internationally respected teacher. Today, we will be talking about energy medicine and treating soul trauma. Amelia, welcome to the show.

Amelia Vogler: Hey, John. Thanks so much. Hey everyone.

Johnny Burke: Now, how did you get started, in working with energy??

Amelia Vogler: Well, you know, John, I think I started the moment I came into the planet, ’cause I remember being a little child and having experiences of being in the grocery store, and my mom would kind of park me over there next to the oranges while she was doing her shopping. And I would see colors around people and I would hear things as individuals walked past and I would feel discomfort in my body. My life has been a rich tapestry of sort of multidimensionality that’s just sort of evolved with me through my life. But I should say my life has not always been this way because our everyday reality really, kind of drives this multidimensionality out of our consciousness. I did what I called normal life. I went to school, I went to college, and I got a master’s. I did engineering and all that time feeling a little dead inside. Because I wasn’t acknowledging the bigness of my experience.

Johnny Burke: When you mentioned something like, multidimensionality. I’ve heard more than once thousands of years ago, that there were very advanced societies where we were multi-dimensional beings. Is that what you’re referring to or is that something completely different?

Amelia Vogler: No, I think that’s exactly what I’m referring to. And I think we have all evolved in some ways from these expanded consciousnesses, in the same way, kind of like my life has a little microcosmic example. I was born here with a big perspective of these multi dimensionalities that we live in and then life kind of eclipsed my awareness of them. I think that happened in my little life, but it also happened to us as humanities over a large period of life. So thinking about me going to college and studying Victorian lit, maybe that could be likened to an entire century of the industrial revolution here that helped, kind of reroute our perspectives as human beings into kind of a smaller silo where we forget how really big we are

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the word forget; I’ve also heard that several times where going back to the idea of multi-dimensional beings, that we did have that type of expanded consciousness, albeit thousands and thousands of years ago, and we have forgotten. And I’ve also heard other intuitives talk about trying to remember what we were way back when.
I know that you have a very interesting background and were you able to see and communicate with spirit or spirits at an early age. Tell us a little bit about that.

Amelia Vogler: have you ever heard of that expression” We pick our family? “

Johnny Burke: Of course. And we will get to that.

Amelia Vogler: The family I picked in this lifetime was my father, who is a funeral director owner. And that funeral home has been in our family for 250 years. And my mother is this amazing artist and she’s quite creative and she’s done a lot of things in terms of growing plants and working with the natural world. So my little soul was born into an opportunity to dance with the dead and also dance with the living. As I was a little child, I would go and roller skate through the funeral home because it’s a massive building. It has big doorways and it has, you know, easy ways to get rolling things through that place.

So I did have a lot of experiences with the spirit world and with communicating and hearing. At that point when I was little, I was already hearing sort of the spirits of the living, if you will. But here in the funeral home, I would hear kind of the whispers of those who had departed. and those messages kind of came at me and with me in many different ways.

Johnny Burke: How scary was that as a young kid, to hear these whispers?

Amelia Vogler: I’ve always been a very curious person. In my Mayan astrology chart, which I know is a little off tangent here, but I have alligator medicine in me, and alligators, we dive into the murk. And we’re just kind of curious, like what makes you a criminal?What’s going on with your psyche? what is that voice that I’m hearing?Or even being in the grocery store, having that entourage, that onslaught of extra sensory experiences? I was never scared by it, it was just part of the tapestry of my life.

Johnny Burke: you also mentioned, that choosing your family- that’s going to open up a rabbit hole as I’m sure you’re aware of but tell us how that actually happened- what the process is?

Amelia Vogler: Oh, okay. I can actually speak to that process, and I’ll take you through the story of how we come to be from an energetic perspective.

Johnny Burke: That’s exactly what we want to hear.

Amelia Vogler: Okay. Let’s imagine for a moment, a great void, a space in which all possibilities are encoded. It’s not a field of energy. It’s a void, it’s a space, it’s a different dimension than we’re used to thinking about. So we think of this void and this space as being rich with pure potential. And from that void, we too, emerge each of us as our unique spark, our unique, constitution, our unique manifestation of that great void of all possibility. As we emerge in our own uniqueness, that’s what we call our core star. It is sort of the light that is constantly creating us. And one of the ways in which that light is translated is through the spirit. And the spirit is, is sort of the light that we are.

if you think of your hand, the spirit feeds into our souls. Our souls are our different incarnated versions of our spirits. So let me back that up a minute. Think about your hand and let’s say you stick your hand in a fishbowl.You have your fingers kind of dancing, just beneath the water surface. If you were looking at the bottom of the fishbowl, looking up, you would see what looked like individual little islands or little fingers. But as if you were to travel up the fingers, you realize, oh my gosh, it’s all connected to the same thing. Each of those fingers are connected to the hand or the spirit. So from that great field of energy, our spirit emerges through this creative process. And then individuates itself into different soul expressions for different lifetimes.

Each of those soul expressions does have ways of communicating with each other. However, for the sake of our story, we’ll stick with one soul that is our incarnated spirit, trying to live out a specific purpose to learn something.. As we are developing. and coming to be in human form, there are a lot of decisions that get worked out here.. What’s our purpose here? What’s our mission ? Who’s going to help us create that mission.? What’s our soul group like? What’s our relationship to our physical body.? As you know, some people come in with really deep challenges in their physical body, disabilities or exceptionalities,. I like to call them, or maybe they’re destined to have a large accident in their lifetime to help grow them. But in those choice points, in that code of who your soul is to be here, that’s what gets referenced when we come to pick our parents..

Johnny Burke: What you’re describing, Dr. Michael Newton wrote about this in several books, he called. life between lives, between incarnations. A famous psychic medium, she’s the long island medium actually likened that process, that space as essentially casting a movie. She likened it to an episode of Saturday Night Live where there are all these different skits and different characters, but at the end of the night, everyone hugs, which I thought was actually quite clever. so we actually do choose our parents, choose our parents, choose our family, what you call the soul group. Sometimes it’s scripted where we have bad things happen.

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. Yeah. Things that grow us and there’s no bad in energy. Energy has kind of got all possibilities and, because energy, if we take it outside of the regular polarity plus and minus positive-negative, from the consciousness perspective, there’s nothing bad. That’s something that we overlay here in the human world, and that’s why we here in the spiritual communities, people talking about, “oh, this must be happening for a reason” which could be in some ways there’s some spiritual bypassing around that where it’s like,” okay, well, I’ll just find the reason to move on,” but there’s some deeper truth in that if we really do the work to understand what the meaning is, and that could take a lifetime.

Johnny Burke: Or several lifetimes

Amelia Vogler: yeah. If we don’t get it this time, it’s going to come back in a different way. And I see that in my practice.

Johnny Burke: Interesting. So let’s talk about your practice. Energy medicine. The first thing I think of when I hear that term is shamanism. Energy, and how that relates to shamanism, ancient practice. Thousands of years old. Is there a connection between the two?

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. Johnny, I think there is a connection there. I think we have to be really careful when we start creating one-to-one relationships in this work. So shamanism is one type of energy medicine, but it’s also deeply embedded in a larger cultural framework. People who identify as shamans or shamanic practitioners, many times they’re doing more than just healing, they’re tending to the community, they are bringing forth the template and the messages for what’s next coming in our human evolution. So, I think that the shamanic practitioners do use energy as medicine. They also use rituals and ceremonies, which allow us access to energy in different ways. It’s a really exciting pairing to think of how do the practitioners do energy medicine.

Johnny Burke: It really is. it’s quite fascinating because there are quite a few different modalities there’s energy medicine, Reiki, healers, energy healers, past life regression, Akashic records, it seems to me at least from what I’m told is that a lot of these modalities, connected as speaking of connections. Can you give us an example of your practice, how you use energy medicine, and what are some typical scenarios when someone comes to see you?

Amelia Vogler: Yeah, there’s a couple, I think anyone who is working in energy has sort of a large toolkit I have studied things from sound healing to acutonics working with tuning forks on the body to color therapy, to aromatherapy, which are different forms of vibrational therapies to yoga, which is, moving energy in the body as you actually move breath to body together. My practice has evolved now and it kind of sits in the space of the soul. because that’s what I came in understanding. It’s kind of like I was presented right between these spirits coming, who had recently departed, and these blooming little flowers on the farm that I grew up watching these cycles of life unfold in front of me.

So when people come to see me, what they’re struggling with is this feeling like.” I don’t belong here. I’ve never belonged here.” Or” I don’t know there’s something restless in me. I’ve never really been able to feel grounded here”. That’s a term some people hear about in the world. I also have people who come to me with feeling like I’ve never been loved. I’ve never felt love. Relationships are really hard for me. You know, these kind of lingering patterns that seemed to be a sort of like walking around with a big Santa bag on your shoulder, kind of carrying the burden of this same burden, but not knowing how to get to it. I’m really good at hearing what is the energy pattern of that burden ? Where did it come from? How do we change it? How do we rewrite that story? And how do we anchor that story back in the soul?

Johnny Burke: And in doing so, speaking of your toolkit, that does mean going back to past lives, soul trauma, and so forth?. so. how is that different or how is it similar to a past life regression therapist that has the same person come in and say, I have this type of anxiety, et cetera, et cetera.

Amelia Vogler: Yeah. I’m going to just preface what I’m going to say with a little disclaimer. I don’t mean to offend, I actually have deep respect for people who do past life regression. I don’t do them because I think they’re freaky. I don’t want to regress anyone in their full expression of their energy to another place in their past because I have seen people who come to me with parts of themselves, continuing to be stuck in the past. They would say to me,” I went to see so and so, and we did a past life regression and I feel like I left a part of myself there.” Oh, we got to go get that back. You’re going to need that!”

Johnny Burke: And speaking of which, I’ll quote something from your website:” energy workers apparently can hear the loops that keep people stuck and seem to know how to help them rewrite stories in a way that their souls can understand it.” can you kind of make that a little bit clearer so even the skeptics out there can actually get their head around it? I think it’s hard for everybody.

Amelia Vogler: I think it’s really hard and it’s nonlinear. So we’re having to take some big cognitive leaps to understand what it is we’re talking about. I would like to just for a moment kind of speak to my process I like to help us connect to that great field of pure potential and possibility from which each of us emerges.

Johnny Burke: Would you call that pure consciousness?

Amelia Vogler: I would call it pure consciousness. The imaginal realm, the zero-point field, the all that is, the universal field, the matrix. These are some other terms for that, but we can get at the pure possibility when we allow the wisdom that we have inside to play again, to be curious again.

What I do is when I start hearing patterns-I’ll give you an example. I was teaching just the other night and we were doing an exercise called alternate nostril breathing. It’s really beautiful Hindu breathing practice to help balance the right and left hemispheres of the brain, and a woman in class came up after the exercise and said to me, “well, Amelia, I have to say that really freaked me out. I felt like when I was closing my nose, I was suffocating, that I couldn’t breathe. And she said I’ve had allergy issues my whole life and whenever I get a bad allergy attack, I feel like I’m drowning. I feel like I am suffocating. And so it scares me.” Aha ! Here’s an example of one of those patterns. This is something that her physical body is experiencing. All of us get stuffy from time to time, but not everybody feels like they’re suffocating. So when I start seeing these connections between, sort of an existential crisis, how am I going to be okay here? And whether it be something in the physical, like asthma or breathing issues, or, I had a woman with a tumor come in. Not sure what that tumor was carrying. We can get at those.

These are also patterns that we’re carrying. So if I was to work with that woman who was having trouble breathing, I would want to get in touch with what does that feeling of suffocation feel like for you? Where does it sit? Is it in the heart? Is it in the stomach? Is it in the head? Because it could be many, many different places. What happens to your body? Do you disappear? Do you shrink in? And then all of those expressions of this issue, those are experiences of energy contraction in the body.

And it’s different from just talking with somebody, because what we do also is you’re sitting in my therapeutic space and you’re sitting in my energy field and we have, for whatever reason, I came into the earth to know how to do this. I can hold a space where suddenly we can go deeper than just a conversation and people say, “oh my God, I’m remembering a time I’m hearing my mother’s heartbeat. Suddenly I’m feeling like there’s water around me.” Are you in the womb? Yes. Did your mother have asthma? Yes. Was there anything scary that happened to your mother when you were pregnant? Yes. That’s not yours. That’s hers. Let’s give it back to her, and let’s rebirth you.

Johnny Burke: in this type of process, is this how you can sometimes stumble to a point maybe in this life, maybe in a life before this one, is that how it’s done? So, it sounds like it is similar to past life regression although, at this point, you’re really trying to figure out what the cause is.

Amelia Vogler: Well, yeah and we’re staying with that present experience in the body, at no time is this person my client like in a trance state or. Ungrounded or doesn’t have access to their own physical experience. And that’s the fundamental difference between what I do in a past life regression is that we’re always going through the immediacy of an experience because my perspective is you brought it here so we can work with it here. Instead of leaving the body to go and explore . We just access it from here. We know that in every single one of our atoms that make up ourselves that make up our body, we have a connection to that universal field,that imaginal field, that void that zero point. So we go in instead of.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of soul trauma. What are some of the most prevalent types that you deal with with your clients?

Amelia Vogler: I think that’s such an interesting question. I tend to attract in my practice, individuals who have never felt okay in their bodies. Like I never felt okay in my body, or I’ve never felt okay in the world. Like, I’ve just never been enough. I’ve never been lovable. God has abandoned me. Those are some that I often work with.I feel invisible. I can’t manifest anything. I don’t know how to be with people. Then there’s this other spectrum that I think is really interesting. I tend to attract people who have been quartered or buried in past lives, which I think is just really bizarre. But for some reason, I’m really good at taking disparate parts and bringing them back home.

Johnny Burke: you mentioned people that don’t feel like they belong like they’re not from here. And they feel almost like an alien. Doesn’t that imply someone that was from another, not necessarily from the earth, maybe from another star system or another planet or another world.?

Amelia Vogler: It certainly could be that. Honestly, Johnny, I think we all are that. If we go back far enough, we all come from some star systems. We kind of travel, I think, with our own kind of star group in some ways, but we’ve just evolved more in our earth, constitution identity. But there are some times that I work with people where a significant part of themselves has been placed away. As if they went through something that was so freaking scary, they left and they said, you know what? I’m going to go hang out on this planet for a while.. And, it’s really cute the way that we work with that, because I literally say, “Hey, you know what? I think we need to get in a spaceship. And I think we need to go find that part of you”.Because we’re using imagination. and when we go, “oh my God, it’s you. “And I say,” how does it feel to see yourself here?’ Oh my God, I feel alive.’ ‘Well, why don’t you invite them to come back with us? Okay. I think I will.” and then boom. We do the re-integration work.

Johnny Burke: When you mentioned, feeling alive do you think it’s true that some of the spirits that you’ve been able to communicate with seem more alive than some of the people here in our everyday life,?

Amelia Vogler: Well, what a beautiful question.

Johnny Burke: I didn’t come up with it myself. I have heard that more than a few times, with other intuitives, but I will take credit for it though.

Amelia Vogler: you got it- credit granted, but it is a beautiful question. And I feel like aliveness, this is where my geeky engineering brain goes. “Okay. Well, what’s your definition of aliveliness, I think our capacity to be is fully expanded in our spirit form and here we get constricted into this tiny little body that is holding something quite great. so we get to learn to navigate it, but I do feel like we can be equally alive here if we allow ourselves

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard many people that have had near-death experiences where they felt they were more alive in that space, that euphoria, that infinite love, Christ Consciousness was much more expensive; they felt like they were almost liberated from being out the body. So that’s most likely where that comes from.

So here’s a practical question: every once in a while, I’ll have people come up to me and ask me questions about the show like,” how do you know this is real? “How do you know these people are not just making it up?” I always preface any discussion with, I am not an expert -it’s and it’s not my job to really verify this with that because you can’t really fact check it, but what can you tell the people that are skeptical yet curious, because I think they want to believe, but they don’t really have that proof what would you tell them?

Amelia Vogler: Well, the very first thing I would tell them is that it’s never okay for anybody to tell you your truth.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Amelia Vogler: That your truth is your truth. And that I believe that our curiosity is important That our curiosity is leading us to something that it’s sort of like a tow line from something else, like leading you in the direction of more inquiry, more curiosity, maybe more experience like when you were describing John that sense of limitlessness that some people discuss, I would say, you know where I first that? On the massage table, getting my very first energy medicine treatment- boom! Lost my body. I was alive in the bigness of myself and then the next piece was to learn to live that and bring that into my everyday moment and be able to access it like that, yes, I can be in the grocery store looking at oranges or boom! I can be in the middle of that orange tasting the entire tree that it was grown from because I practice.

To the people who are curious, I say honor that, but, but please don’t let anybody say “this is truth ” right? Because it’s also a consciousness and I’m not saying any lower consciousness or higher consciousness, one is better or worse. It’s just that each of us has our own capacity to kind of see and connect with the bigness of who they are, who we are in any given moment. So if it’s a leap for you to kind of try on some of these concepts, dance where you are with this stuff. But also I would say pay attention to your senses and your feelings. There’s a lot of different ways energy communicates with you. And so a lot of times people just think it’s vision like, oh, you can see stuff and colors and this and that, but there’s a lot of other ways, energy and truth kind of speaks to you.

Johnny Burke: The way I look at it, I repeatedly will tell people. I’m not an expert. I’m just a curious guy with questions and whatever comes forth on the show, whatever episodes come out, it’s up to the listeners to find their truth. Right? And another thing is this: I had a woman reach out to me recently because she asked me a question about, Walter Semkiw, who I interviewed a while back. The question was, “do you really think he’s a reincarnation of John Adams? “And I said, you know what? I can’t really answer that, but I will tell you this. I don’t think he’s a BS guy. I think he’s a straight shooter. And I also said you’re not gullible. You’re a woman. And the reason why more women get this is because they have intuition, which is not native to men.

Amelia Vogler: Well, I know very many intuitive so I don’t know if that feels quite true for me, but what I heard in your sharing is that you’re holding a space for, different perspectives to come through. And I think that’s part of you as healer, john, I think that’s you standing as your own energy healer in some ways, inviting people to new knowledge and new information and creating that space for them to be curious about. So I think that’s right on. That’s what we’re doing here. We’re vibrating together or trying to help each other come home to who we are in the world.

Johnny Burke: I really rely on the guest speakers here. When it really comes down to it, I stumbled through a lot of this. I’ve learned a lot. Hopefully, people that are curious, like I am, will feel the same way.

Amelia Vogler: And in my consultations, I do these free consultations. So people can talk with me because I just think I love people. I’m curious, but I say everything in this space is intentional. Everything that comes out of your mouth is like a little doorway that we can walk through.

And I feel like what you’re doing is you’re holding some really big, beautiful doors for people and just letting all of us come and walk through it and offer new little doorways for people to look through and kind of go, ” is that important for me?” And maybe it’s not in this moment, but four years from now, they’ll remember, Hey, I remember Johnny talked with Walter because blah, blah, blah. Energy is just going to come into our awareness when we need it to, it’s just amazing. It’s all here. We just need somebody to open the doors.

Johnny Burke: That’s a really, really cool explanation. For people that are curious about energy medicine, would you recommend they trya Reiki healer? What would you tell them?

Amelia Vogler: Well, I think listen to what’s calling you, Each practitioner, even in the different areas of energy medicine. So there’s Reiki, quantum touch, healing touch, therapeutic touch, There’s sound therapy, quantum therapy, polarity therapy, and movement therapies like yoga. And, there’s somatic experiencing if you’re kind of more on the like psychological side.

Are you somebody who is really interested in the way the mind works and how you think about things? If that’s the case, I would encourage you to check out something like a somatic experiencing, because it’s an energy psychology type of energy medicine ,or tapping, EFT. So it’s a little bit more in that line of kind of extending the cognition app. And then for those of you who are, somebody that can’t sit still and they can’t move, like they can’t stop moving. I would say go to the movement, vibrational therapies like yoga or Tai Chi or Quigong, which Quigong healing is a whole way of doing energy healing. It’s not just a movement, it’s a healing modality and an ancient one. And then for those of you who are curious about getting kind of out of the body and those of you who might like meditation, I really like healing touch. Healing touch actually comes from the nursing tradition. It’s actually accredited through the American nurses credentialing center here in the United States. So it’s been validated scientifically, it’s quite an every day energy therapy. But boy, it’s incredible. It’s absolutely incredible.

Reiki and healing touch and therapeutic touch are similar.,so you might seek out Reiki, but a Reiki practitioner only has to go to a weekend class to become a level one Reiki practitioner, and then they do another weekend level two, and then they can go and get their master certification, Reiki comes through these different transmissions. So sometimes you’ll find practitioners who are quite new in the field and haven’t had a lot of experience actually doing the client side of the practice. So it could be a little clunky, like how are they holding that space for you?

Johnny Burke: it would be really interesting if sometime in our lifetimes people can have like an intuitive index rating, because some people are obviously more developed than others. Their empathic intuitive ability could be like, almost off the charts. I guess you have to just trust your intuition, right ?

Amelia Vogler: And see what it’s like. That’s part of why I do the free consultation is so that I can feel, is this person and I, are we on kind of the same vibration? Am I going to be able to use the language that I use of energy and have them understand it? Because it would be a disservice to them. If I’m not speaking their language and that’s when I refer out, because I really want people to find their way to their healing. It’s not about booking clients. So, I would seek out practitioners who have a touch point ahead, so you could kind of try it out. What’s it like? What are you like? How do you speak?

Do I feel seen, heard, and acknowledged in your presence?. So I think that could be a nice thing just to keep your eyes open for practitioners who, and even if they don’t list it on their website, you might contact them and say” would you be willing to do like a 15-minute conversation with me? “I just don’t like to book sessions before I talk to somebody, you could be a wacko.!

Johnny Burke: I think they should do that anyway. Excellent. Amelia, thanks for coming onto the show today. thought you brought up some really, really good points. How can our listeners find out more about you online?

Amelia Vogler: thanks Johnny. So you can find me@ameliavogler.com or on Instagram at Amelia Vogler _healing.