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#194 Jemmita: Ancient Wisdom and Shamanic Practices

October 5, 2024 by Johnny Burke

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#194 Jemmita

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Jemmita. She is a modern medicine woman, retreat leader, healer, and ceremonialist. Her work involves energy healing, shamanism, and spiritual guidance, deeply rooted in the Andeancosmovision. And this episode we’ll discuss how she helps clients remember their true divine nature and making ancient wisdom accessible. In today’s world, Jemmita, welcome to the program.

Jemmita: Thank you so much for having me, Johnny. It’s an absolute pleasure to be here.

Johnny Burke: So, Andeancosmovision, we’re going to have to dig into that, very shortly here. But how did you first of all, find yourself on this path?

Jemmita: Mm, it’s a really, really good question. First of all, it’s as strange to me as perhaps it is to anybody. I mean, I’m a, a blonde head, blue-eyed lady from Australia. So the last thing that I thought I would be doing is working with Andean Shamanism and adopted into a family, up in Chinchero.In the High Andes in Peru. For me, really as a kid, it began with, an extreme and acute sensitivity to energy and to beings, I guess, of the unseen world. , Like a lot of us didn’t really have any, mentorship, I guess, to learn how to navigate those realms when I was a kid. And so, it was really interesting because when I look back at it, that’s where my love for ceremony and ritual began somehow, innately I knew how to, program energy. So before I would go to bed each night, there would be certain things I’d have to do in certain ways, to close portals so that I would be able to sleep because otherwise I would have visitations from all kinds of beings from all kinds of worlds.

It’s funny, I sort of reflect on it. If my parents had have seen me doing all of this, they probably would’ve taken me to the doctor and I would’ve been put on some medication of some sort. But, you know, thankfully that didn’t happen, and I sort of went along my way. I grew up as an only child, so I also had a very deep connection with nature and, you know, we didn’t have iPhones back then, so I was spending a lot of my time speaking to trees and talking to , the elements. It’s really interesting. When I look back now, I’m like, wow, you know, it’s something that was very innate, within me.

I also grew up in an interesting environment. I sort of say that my shamanic path began when I was two days old because my mom and dad were publicans, meaning they owned hotels, pubs, at two days old I was literally, you know, in the sling around on my mom’s hip behind the public bar of the pub with, the strippers and the old drunks and all of the funky energies that are flying around in that environment. So I often say that that was the beginning of my shamanic training to learn how to, transform energy, to move energy.

Johnny Burke: The modern medicine woman that is a shaman,

Jemmita: Yeah. it is.

Johnny Burke: so the energy healing, it seems came before shamanism, or was that introduced to your life at about the same time?

Jemmita: Yeah. Well, I think this is the thing that word shamanism has such a. connotation and such a broad context. I don’t use the word much. I use it more now, like I’m more open to using it now, but it sort of put me off a little bit because it gets thrown around a lot. And also, I just never know how to describe what I do when people ask me. I mean, really, I am a shaman. I work as a shaman. What does that even mean? It means learning how to walk between worlds. learning how to listen, to read, respond, and be in the flow of how you’re being guided by nature and by the natural world. accessing different realms, at a simultaneous time so that you’re able to travel and, do the healings for yourself or for somebody else.

So that really is shamanism. So I don’t think it’s separate from the energy work. It’s just a different way of working with it in my experience and from what I understand, but I think the energy stuff that just came innately and naturally, and I feel like there’s so many modalities out there that teach us how to do these things. But actually, the role, the traditional shamanic apprenticeship or certainly what I have experienced and been through, is not something someone can really teach you.

There’s certain techniques or recipes in a recipe book if you like, that are helpful. But then it has to be through your ongoing communion and your practice, particularly with the guardians that you’re working with, of the scene in the unseen world that bring forth that remembering. In the quechua language, they call it yuyay it means to remember it’s not really learning anything. It’s unlocking this other beautiful word yachay , which means divine intelligence or wisdom. That, for me, I really feel is encoded in every single one of ours. DNA. So even in the work that I do with others, my job is not to be their teacher or tell them what to do. It’s to help them unlock that within themselves and find that and remember for themselves. And when you touch that place within yourself, you touch that divinity, then the healing becomes actually quite effortless. Can be quite effortless.

Johnny Burke: You’re more of a locksmith than a teacher. You’re just helping someone uncover something they already have. You made a good point about the apprenticeship of shamanism because it’s not like you can go to a community college and take a course in Shamanism, or can you?

Jemmita: Yeah. I mean, at the moment, I myself run apprenticeships and I do one where it’s largely me and I’m bringing people from the Andes, my teachers and my, my brothers in, to teach on that apprenticeship, which is more about facilitation of the work that I do. And then I do a 12-month apprenticeship, which is taught with my Maestropuma. So with my teacher, we do it together. And it’s a 12-month thing, so it can be taught. It’s interesting because for me, I was, I know he was too often asked, for me back in the day when I began that work and, my apprenticeship, I had to give up a lot of stuff. I gave my business away, literally my relationship. Not to say that people have to do this, but it was a calling and those things weren’t serving me anyway. They were things that needed to eventually go.

But when you’re called to the path, you kind of get a kick up the bum if you don’t listen. And sometimes continuously, like, up in the mountains, in Erdos, in the traditional way, they say that if a pako- pako is like, the term for, medicine man or woman or shaman in the Andes. And if you don’t listen to that call, you will get struck by lightning and they do. I have met many masters, even Maestro puma was struck .So traditionally that’s how they were chosen. Because the the lightning strikes. But in our western world and our modern world, lightning strikes in a different kind of a way. And if you ignore the call, the lightning will keep striking and making things hard, like life becomes kind of challenging , for me anyway, until I put my hand up and really said yes.

I was often asked; can you teach me? I’m like, God, how do you teach someone how to pray? Like how do you do this? Then as often happens for me anyway, a moment will come when the time is right because I’m a massive, huge believer in synchronicity where literally the portal will open and I will get the directive on how to do it. so same with MaestroPuma. And, and actually I have to say thanks to, that pandemic period that we had, it really shifted the way that we are able to reach people and communicate. When people ask me to teach ’em online, I’m like, or do ceremony online. I’m like, you kidding? we can’t. Zoom to me now is a Stargate portal. It’s just another portal. And in a way the technology is taking us back to where we were. It’s not something new. It’s actually a revisiting or, a remembering of something very old, which is that we don’t need to be physically present with someone to work with energy and to feel energy. You can do it through the screen. You can do it from a distance.

Johnny Burke: If we do go back to what I think we were, and we’ll get to that in a moment soon, we won’t even need the internet and zoom, to communicate because we should be able to do that telepathically like we were thousands and thousands of years ago. I think it’s interesting that shamanism for one thing is probably one of the oldest, if not the oldest mystical practice, what is it, 40, 50,000 years old or older?

Jemmita: Older, I would reckon. Yep.

Johnny Burke: A little bit older. Okay. Can anyone learn shamanism, in other words, how to live their life, how to get connected, how to walk in between worlds, as you say, or. does it really need a long apprenticeship?

Jemmita: Well, first of all, I think the apprenticeship is lifelong. I don’t think it ever stops. It’s constantly deepening. Anyone, of course can learn but it has to have commitment. It’s got to have practice. What is the practice? It’s communion. It’s really, when you’re working shamanically, you have a very powerful team. You know that you are never alone. I’m not talking about humans, although we do have our human family and our human team as well, but there’s this principle called Minka, which is community. It’s like this team of masters that assist us in our service, to our communities, to our families, and eventually it gets to a point where you don’t even need to call on these beings, but we are because we acknowledge and we respect and we honor.

But sitting in the mountains, you know, for me, 10, 12, 15 hours on end per day with no instruction, just go and sit and listen. So that, that is building a communion where the mountain starts to speak to you. The rocks start to speak to you. The earth starts to speak to you. You start to hear the wind, you start to get messages from the sun, you know, like the clouds and the way they shift and move and the patterns and the shapes. They’re telling you something. So codes are in everything, but we have to get still enough for long enough to listen. So the, the way that you can teach it, I feel. And again, it’s a lifelong apprenticeship is it comes from your willingness to, even if it’s just a couple of minutes a day to gratitude is number one. I mean, the most powerful prayer that there is thank you.

So when you are given a synchronicity or when you’re given a sign, or when you’re given a message and you receive that, then always acknowledging it because when you acknowledge it and say thank you, they give you more. That’s the work. The work is the communion. So you can’t just go and do ceremony. And then if you’re a true shamanic practitioner, if you want to call it that, I’m a big believer in walking your talk, right? So you can’t just go do ceremony and then do something else in your life. Life is the ceremony. Life has to become the ceremony. So the ceremony, the facilitation of something. Whether it’s a healing space or a ceremony for me should become kind of like a yardstick, to help you in your own personal development and growth, to close the gap between what is the formal ceremony and the true ceremony, which is that of life.

How we show up in ceremony, present, aware, centered, grounded, Resilient, strong in our energy field, compassionate listening, empathic kind, all of those things we should be able to take into life in ceremony energetically, I don’t get taken out at all. I can be with somebody in their heaviest, deepest, darkest process. I won’t take any energy on, why? because I’m conscious. I’m conscious of every single thing that’s going on of how the wind’s moving, even whereas we bump around in life largely unconscious. That’s when we take on heavy energy, that’s when we take on stuff that isn’t ours and claim it as our own and feel like it’s ours, especially if you’re empathic. So, yes, that was a long answer to a question. Anyone can learn if there’s a willingness to, build that relationship and that communion with, , the guardians of the shamanic world that are working with you.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned something about stillness, which I think was really interesting, where if you can just be still long enough, you can start to sense more things. Is there a relationship between the increasing stillness and the raising of a vibration or attaining a certain frequency?

Jemmita: Yeah, that’s an interesting question too. I think there’s a difference between meditation and contemplation, and both are equally important. That place of manifestation or creation or remembering definitely comes when the mind is still, you know, in that stillness, the contemplation is a holding and awareness of something. It’s like a moving meditation, right? It’s holding an awareness of something that you are working with or working on, for example. With my students when we’re working with their mountains, with their apples, we call them the spirits of the mountains, and we go through a process because a lot of people haven’t ever seen a mountain, right? They’ve never been in the presence of one, let alone one that really inspires them. So we go through a process to help them to find that mountain, discover the personality of it, commune with the spirit. Its name, all of the things. And then their work will be to move throughout their day with a, constant awareness and presence of this guardian. And to start a dialogue, when something arises, you ask the guardian, you listen to the answer. So it’s this moving stillness. It’s kind of the stillness in action. That’s one way of doing it.

With the medicine work that I do, this is where the gold really is in that actually, because that work, takes people out of their regular environment. That’s the number one thing that we need for really true and lasting change. It puts them back into connection with nature, which I think that is the biggest disease on the planet, that we have totally lost our divine connection to nature. The realization that nature is us, there is no separation, right? And the disconnection from nature means disconnection from ourselves. So really eventually, I think you realize, for me anyway, and this is not something that you can be shown how to do, it’s something that has to be embodied and come from within, and it comes with time and experience that when you’re calling on these guardians, when I’m calling on my team, I’m actually calling back parts of myself. I’m Calling those aspects of me home.

We’re all fractals of this unified whole and we all have our roles to play the apples, the earth, the trees, each one of us, we have our roles to play, so we honor and acknowledge, but really there’s, it’s the Hanaq Pacha It’s theI amthere is only one at the end of it all.

Johnny Burke: What is the Andean Cosmo vision? It sounds like a band name, I was about to ask you if you were a musician because if it isn’t a band name it probably should be.

Jemmita: It is a good brand name. The Andean Cosmovision is a a belief system because there’s people that believe it, but it’s a philosophy, that is based really around a constellation in the very beginning called the Chakana. The Chakana is known in the southern skies as the Southern cross. Through this constellation, which was kind of their reference point for all life on Earth, it kind of acted like a cosmic map that gave them the geography on the earth and gave them clues or information, wisdom on how to live the most harmonious life on Pachamama.

In the Andes they have a strong belief that they are from the Pleiades portal, that they’ve come from another galaxy through the Pleiades. They’re also very connected to Sirius and Orion, but particularly the Pleiades, to the point where there’s a huge festival every year called Qoyllur Rit’i,, which is up on a glacier. and it celebrates the return of the Pleiades to the night sky.

Johnny Burke: Really?

Jemmita: Yeah, and it’s beautiful ’cause in the Andes, if someone says to you, where are you from? And you say, I’m from the Stars, they won’t laugh at you or think that you are new age woo woo. They’re like, oh yeah Pleiades, you know? Of course we are.

Johnny Burke: Aren’t we all from, the star beings anyway? There are those people that will say we are all star seeds. And then there’s another camp of thought that defines star seeds as, maybe first generational star seeds that came from however many heavenly bodies are out there. Isn’t that true though?

Jemmita: For me, it’s true for me. I feel in, in every cell of my being as being true. I mean, as a little girl, my mom still reminds me of this now, we used to sleep outside. I grew up in a place called Perth in Australia, very, very hot. And we didn’t have air conditioning. And so we would sleep outside at night, drag the mattresses out, and all sleep on the grass. I would point to the s and say to my mum, “home.” and I had no reference point. Like I didn’t know. My mom would say, “that’s the seven sisters darling”. For me, it’s just an innate knowing.

Having said that, I am also super grounded because I know also that my decision to come here and my role to be here is to be in service to Pachamama , and our family here and, to have fun. Came down, there was good stuff on the brochure, there was chocolate, there were waterfalls. All the things I often joke, you know, when I looked at the brochure, I’m like, woo. Yeah, it’s looking good. but I also came down to be in service to Pachamama, , and that isn’t even something that I came to do. It’s more something I believe that we come to be. We, have a gift, and we can emanate it. It doesn’t matter what role you play, and people get so caught up. I have to be a showman. I have to be a healer. No, you don’t. You can be an accountant or a banker. It’s how you interact, what are you giving out? What energy are you sharing with people?, are you uplifting or are you pulling down?

That’s your true service. It’s not about the ego’s role of I do this, I do that. If your inner purpose and your outer purpose, at some point marries up and you’re expressing yourself in a healing art or something, awesome. That’s what you were meant to do.But it doesn’t have to be.

Johnny Burke: So you mentioned, your team a little while ago, and you also mentioned that you knew what your mission was. So is that reference, a knowledge or an experience with a space that is in between incarnations or is that something different?

Jemmita: I feel that when we leave the planet, we don’t take anything with us. I don’t have the thing of karma where there’s something else to, reconcile or to do in terms of that. I believe that whatever we receive while we are here, that’s our legacy. We plant it into the earth, we leave it behind, and when we come in, we come in clean.

I think we come in with a memory for sure. Definitely, I think we come in with a memory, and I don’t tend to listen to anything that anyone else has to say. I never have. I don’t like information coming from the outside so much. I prefer to allow it to arise within me because then it’s embodied, it feels true for me, regardless of whether it’s true for somebody else. I really, really believe that I knew what I wanted to come here to master, not to fix, not even to do, but what I wanted to master. And I also knew that as soon as I went through that birth portal and there was this great splat of energy through experiencing that first trauma of actually coming through the birth canal, that I would forget.

The purpose would be to find my way back to that original memory, that original intention for being here. I would eventually get to a point where I knew that I had programmed the whole thing to happen exactly in a way that it meant to. But I would also get to the point when I realized that, I knew that I could change it because I would step into my creatorship.

So I don’t feel like it’s something that I carry with me from, from a lifetime to lifetime. I feel like I come in at a different trajectory point every time. Come in consciously forget, remember, and hopefully what I would love to master this time, and I think one of the things I set for myself was to remember while I’m still in the body without having to leave, to remember, and that’s happening. I think that’s happening to a lot of people. What does that look like? at the end of the day, I don’t know.

I think it looks like a combination of, an extremely deep, inner peace, I guess you would call that an awakening, you know, being in an awakened state and at the same time, being able to, manifest, and I’m not just talking abundant material things, but I love, I’m sure you’re experiencing it too, how quick the manifestations are now. It feels good. It feels natural to be in that state. Just like you were speaking about telepathy too. I believe we’re moving towards that too, because it’s natural, so it’s like a return to the truth of who we really are, you know, before. Everyone has their different ideas about what happened, but before , the DNA was changed, you know, we’re returning.

Johnny Burke: When you say, remember who we were? And telepathy is natural. The reason I brought that up is because I’ve had several people that do have memories of ancient, ancient civilizations. I mean like Atlantis and Lemuria, which is supposed to be even older, they’ve all concurred that things like telepathy were normal,

I don’t know whether you’ve had experiences like that, but if you tell us that telepathy is normal, which I don’t think it’s normal for everybody. I think people can do it, but the other 99% of the population has no idea how that’s done. Have you had a glimpse of any of the ancient civilizations ?

Jemmita: Yes, I have. One of the biggest Lumerian portals is Lake Titicaca. I mean, the Aymara people there, firmly believe still now that they’re descendants of the Lemurians.

Johnny Burke: Lumerians?

Jemmita: The Lemurians

Johnny Burke: What is it about Peruvians anyway? Because they have the Nasca lines, they have I believe an airline that has a logo that says the world’s oldest airline, which is. a tip of the hat to the ancient spaceships,

Jemmita: Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: What is it about that place?

Jemmita: I spend a lot of time in Peru. I mean at least, three months every year, apart from the pandemic year, six, eight months before that. and I’ve been to a lot of places and a lot of places repeatedly too because these portals there, these places, they’re programmed for certain things. They were programmed by the Masters. When I turn up, there’s been a year in between, and so I’m different. So it’s always interesting to me to see how I relate to these places when I arrive.

Coming back to your question, the Peruvians, the cosmovision, is really, again, coming back to that, this knowing that the traditional people have that we are star beings. And that there was, and still is a communion that is happening with our cosmic family. Like, they literally call it the cosmic family. So when they see a star, they don’t just see a star, they see a sister or a brother or an uncle, or someone is speaking to them. If the stars blinking, then that’s a message. It’s like a morse code . So they’re, they’re deeply connected still now to the point where there’s so many examples I can give you, but the WilkaMayu, which is the river of the Bumba, the Urubumba River, and they’ve named it after the Milky Way because it’s a mirror. It’s an exact mirror image.

If you follow the Bumba River, it follows the river of light. And so where they built all of their, temples were along the constellations of that river, and you have, Like Anawana hautana means to tie, it’s like a lineage of light. It’s to tie the sun to the temple, to tie the moon to the temple, so there’s this innate and phenomenal communion, but, it’s like a library. They see it like a library. So they’ve never really lost in the high Andes through their traditions. Of course, they have the Conquistadors but even that has an amazing story behind it and why the people are so generous with their wisdom is because that was a part of what had to happen. They don’t judge what happened. They don’t even judge the people that brought all of that stuff in because it was written in from their original prophecies that this was a part of the awakening. This is a part of what had to happen.

In terms of the telepathy, going back to the Lemurian portal of Lake Titicaca which the Aymara people are still so dialed in. They even have a name for the dog people, the Annunak, that’s in Aymara, they call it the Annunak.

Johnny Burke: Is that the same thing as the Annunaki or is that different?

Jemmita: I’m guessing it’s a version of, or the same thing, but their whole creation story involves the dog, people called the annuak that were star beings right?, It’s phenomenal. It just blows my mind. Now these are people living in the middle of the lake barely even got internet, let alone watching any new age you know, that’s in their cosmovision. So they have the story about these beings.

Years ago, when I was in Lake Titicaca, I was in a temple called the Pachamama Temple on an island called Amantani , and I went into kind of a bit of a sleep, in that, in-between world. And the next thing I’m in this sea of blue, like just blue, blue, blue, blue, blue everywhere. I’m realizing that I’m in water and I’m like, where the hell? And I’m like, rushing through this kind of portal of blueness and I pop out in the jungle. When I arrive in the jungle, there’s a trail and there was an elder sitting there chewing cocoa leaves. And he gave me an offering called a Kintu and he gave it to me to have as an offering to enter this place. It was a pyramid that was made of pure gold. It was huge. It was rising out of the jungle and what was incredible was all of the stones, the rocks and the boulders were made from crystal. They were pure amethyst, emerald, quartz and the whole rock. Instead of having rocks like we do, everything was crystal. And when I went into the temple, the people, the, the feeling was indescribable.

It was the most serene, vibration, the frequency was so high, the beauty was absolutely astounding. And I watched as the people went and stood in front of each other and just placed a hand on each other’s heart, and they were like nodding as though like we are having a conversation, but there was no words. Were communicating through the telepathy.

Johnny Burke: During meditation or where were you physically when this is happening?

Jemmita: I was in the temple, and it wasn’t a meditation, it was that liminal state between sleep and wake. It was like a lucid dream, but I was very awake and aware. I lucid dream a lot, but I was very awake and aware of where I was and what was going on. So there was no mind, I wasn’t controlling that vision. I was being taken into it. and then the interesting thing is there was, a man and a woman, they were kind of like the leaders, like what we would think to be a king and a queen, but they didn’t have that same hierarchy. They were just revered and loved and so beautiful.

And when I saw them, I said, I walked over and I said, “excuse me, I’m through my telepathy, where am I?” And they said, “Paititi! “out loud. And I went and straight back through this blue and then I like woke up and I was like, whoa. So Paititi this mythical city. It’s actually what the Conquistadors came looking for because in Paititi they called it the city of Gold,El Dorado. it was known as well. People think that it’s a mythical place. Some people think that it’s a real place, it still exists. People believe that the last refuge of the Inca, when the Conquistadors came, they fled also to Paititi. It’s like a shambala, our Shambala. but what they said to me is that Paititi exists in another dimension, and you access it through the portal of your heart.

Johnny Burke: I was just about to say that it’s not here on earth, it’s somewhere else. Like heaven or the spiritual realm is in another dimension,

Jemmita: Honestly, I’ve seen it so many times in temples in the Andes, where I see the temple existing on a parallel dimension. So what you see, you see in the rock, you know, you see the physical, what’s left there, of the, I don’t like to call them ruins because I don’t think they are, they’re a place of masters, but you see the physical thing there and then when you go into these deep states time after time, I see this exact thing existing on another dimension. And that this physical one here was a place for the masters to connect, travel, commune travel. Like Waqrapukara is like the United Nations of Star Nations. You’ve never seen anything like it. It’s built on top of a horn rim, coming up through the valley. Each one of the temple’s faces a different, different constellation, it’s, yeah, it’s just incredible. What is there.

Johnny Burke: Who are the masters? You’re talking about Masters and portals. ascended masters or are they different?

Jemmita: All

Johnny Burke: Are they star beings?

Jemmita: They’re all-here’s so many, I don’t want to say levels, when I say the masters, the ancient masters, you have the beings that walked here on the earth physically that were in direct communion with the masters that are the apples, which are the original elder beings, star elder beings that were petrified or enchanted into stone to guard the earth. You have the galactic masters, the masters and priestesses of light, which for me are like a galactic council. it comes back to not somebody telling you who they are, but it’s your communion with them and how you are in communion with them and how you receive them. That’s important because it’s going to be different for everybody, but for me, when I talk about the ancient masters, I’m talking about the priest, priestesses that had this continuous, communion and connection that hadn’t forgotten yet. They knew what was coming. So a lot of these temples were built and programmed for now, not even for then, for now for us.

Johnny Burke: Really the temples-these temples are all around the world. Not just in South America.

Yeah. I always thought it was interesting the way the pyramids all over the world had similarities and they weren’t just there to store grain, were they? Something to do with energy grids all around the earth.

Jemmita: Definitely.

Johnny Burke: How do you really explain this to the layman? We’re talking about portals and ancient masters, the mystery of the Incas and all the other really cool stuff that, originates in South America for some reason. What I’m trying to figure out is when we have people that have glimpses into ancient civilizations, sometimes it’s through channeling, sometimes it’s through a vision. So going back to that topic, have you actually seen visuals of what it was like in some of these civilizations, 10, maybe 20,000 years ago?

Jemmita: Multiple times. Multiple times. And it’s really cool for me because as I said, I don’t like to get too much outside information I like, because I don’t want anything influencing what’s coming through for me. So many times I’ve had, very clear visions and directives from the masters of what these particular places were and what they were used for and how life was then and remembering, and information and wisdom and things for me to do and all of the stuff, but it blows my mind because then at some point someone will come and be like, oh, did you see ancient aliens on Gaia? It was like, in this temple, and I just laughed because I’m like, well, yeah. The wisdom is universal. It doesn’t belong to anybody, and it can be accessed by anybody. So. my feeling is that all of the sacred sites on the planet have been coded very purposefully, very specifically, and whether you are open and realize that you’re receiving the coding or not, you will receive it.

If you arrive at these places, you have been called. And you are not there for no reason. I, I see people all the time at Match Picchu, for example, they do this bloody three-day trek, the Inca Trail, which was never done in three days. By the way, it was done in a minimum of three months to six months because it was a spiritual pilgrimage. But people run it, they do it in this short amount of time. And then they arrive at the top and they go click, click, click, and then they’re out. It’s like something to tick off the bucket list. So you could be in judgment of that and be like, oh my God why would you arrive here just to do that? To tick it off your bucket list. But just from the arriving. If they’re being activated just from the arriving, they’re receiving, even if they don’t know it, it’s in the cells. For some people, it will unravel

How I ended up in Peru was Machu Picchu. I didn’t know that I was called to Peru. I was going because my Colombian boyfriend back in the day wanted to go and work with medicine in Peru, and I was like, I want to see Machu Picchu. But as soon as my feet hit the ground in Cusco, I burst into tears. It was like a tidal wave of memory coming back shocked me like it was really incredible. The masters I’m speaking of knew it. They got me there. They put the seed. even the orchestration of it is just so divine, even down to the partner wanting to go there for the thing and every little bit of it. There is no mistake. It’s all drawing you. So even if somebody walks into a pyramid, just as a tourist with a camera, they’re receiving the codes from that pyramid. They’re receiving the activation regardless.

Johnny Burke: Anything else that we need to know at least for tonight? Because I’m pretty sure we’re going to have a part two.

Jemmita: Yeah. Has really lights me up. I really feel that these times that we’re in Johnny, People are being called to these places and called to these sites and called to this work because it was always part of the plan. And the remembering is there, and all you need to do, don’t get in your head about it. Close your eyes, put a hand on your heart. Put a hand on the stone or visualize it, breathe with it, and just ask and listen. Simple words, when the highest self speaks, when the masters speak, they don’t speak in blah, blah, blah. They speak in simple directive, simple words. So just through that practice, we can tune in more to this wisdom and into ourselves and into our own inner wisdom, especially.

Johnny Burke: I believe you have a gift for our listeners tonight they can get from your website?

Jemmita: I do, I have a course, it’s called Be the Crystal. It’s about resilience training for empaths. It’s working with energetics. I’d love to gift it to your listeners, just to hopefully help people.

Johnny Burke: Jemmita thanks again for joining us tonight. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Jemmita: They can find me on Instagram at @anchoringthelight. My website: anchoringthelight.com And if you want to receive that gift, just send me a DM with the word resilience, and you’ll get the link for it on instagram.

Johnny Burke: You’ve been listening to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke. If you enjoyed tonight’s episode, please consider subscribing. You can find more info at closertovenus.com. Thanks again for tuning in. We’ll see you next time.

#180 Elissa Freeman: Connecting with Spirit Guides

June 29, 2024 by Johnny Burke

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Elissa Freeman. She is an author, therapist, shamanic practitioner, and hypnotherapist. Her work includes dream analysis and tapping into your unconscious and universal messages to have a direct link to universal knowledge. In this episode, we’ll discuss how this connection with source helps you heal, live your purpose, and make the world a better place. Elissa, welcome to the program.

Elissa Freeman: Thank you very much for having me. It’s great to be here.

Johnny Burke: So, universal messages and universal knowledge. I like the sound of that already. So, tell us -your journey, I believe started with a relationship with a spirit guide, which spanned four decades.

Elissa Freeman: That’s right. That’s right. Something began before that when I was about nine years old. I found myself sitting in this room with all these adults around me, and they were all sitting on the floor. I. And at the front of the room was, this monk, and this monk was teaching everyone meditation techniques. I don’t quite know how I got to be there with all these adults at nine years old, but here I was sitting cross-legged amongst all these people. And I can remember when the monk looked at me dead in my eyes. And asked me why I should be there. The funny thing is that I was so nervous, and I was so overwhelmed that I couldn’t say anything, and all I did was just stare back. He just looked into my soul, and I’ve never felt anything quite like it. But I just sat there, probably looking like I was in shock or something. In the end, after he had looked at me for quite what felt like an age, a period, he ended up just moving on, and I thought I’d be thrown out at that point, but I wasn’t.

And I ended up spending a couple of days, with all these adults learning these coveted meditation techniques that were, one of the monks from Guru Maharaji.??? And that was my first introduction to meditation. Now I didn’t take it terribly seriously after that. I was at school, and I was doing my thing. I was just a kid, but it really wasn’t until I was 14 where I had this experience with my spirit guide. I was very grateful to my mother who introduced me to this. My mother was a psychic; at one point she said to me,” I have a spirit guide. Let’s do a meditation together, you can find yours, and my guide can help you. ” So we laid down on her big bed together and meditated.

Johnny Burke: Your mom did that?

Elissa Freeman: Mum,

Johnny Burke: So instead of talking about boys as a 14-year-old, your mom said, let’s skip that and go straight to the spirit guides. Is that what happened?

Elissa Freeman: Boys were still very important at that point.

Johnny Burke: Good.

Elissa Freeman: But, yes, I was introduced there. So we meditated, and I had an experience, and that experience with meeting my spirit guide has stayed with me, and I still meditate and go to that space to learn and get information.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So the meditation was more like a primer that kind of like prepared you for, meeting the spirit guide?

Elissa Freeman: 100%. In fact, that’s the only way that I can tap into it that I found anyway is through meditating.

Johnny Burke: what did the spirit guide look like? I mean, did you have a visual?

Elissa Freeman: I do have a visual, but I don’t know whether that’s so important because some people don’t experience that as a visual. I think we experience it all very differently. I’m a very visual person, so perhaps that’s why it was visual for me. And that’s changed over the years. So, the visuals changed numerous times, almost like my own growth. So perhaps it was as I grow, the spirit guides visual changes.

Johnny Burke: Really? It changes. I’ve never heard that before, but I have heard and tell me if you had similar experiences where spirit guides kind of come and go as you develop, as one develops, it’s almost like a baseball game where like one pitcher works for three or four innings, and then they switch to a lefty or something different, and then a closer comes in at the end of the game just to basically finish them off. I’ve heard that before where your spirit guides are there for certain stages of development. So you had the same one, though, for decades?

Elissa Freeman: Just one. One’s enough. Believe me. One is enough.

Johnny Burke: Right. So did he or she have a name?

Elissa Freeman: Yes, they do, but it’s not necessarily something that I’d like to share here. Yeah, it’s very, very personal.

Johnny Burke: What kind of messages were you getting?

Elissa Freeman: Okay. So I get all sorts of messages, and it often depends on if I have a question, so sometimes the spirit guide will answer questions, but sometimes I ask a question, and I get an answer to something else because I must have asked the wrong question. Some people might get the idea that spirit guides are kind of light and love and, and perhaps they are, but certainly, my spirit guide can be quite abrupt very strong, and there’s been more than once that I have been told off. So, I feel that sometimes my spirit guide gets quite exasperated

Johnny Burke: That doesn’t really surprise me.

Elissa Freeman: “Oh my goodness, really? Come on, Alyssa, come on.”

Johnny Burke: Do they ever curse?

Elissa Freeman: I have not heard that.

Johnny Burke: I have heard that

Elissa Freeman: No, but definitely frustration. There’s been a number of very strange things. There was one recently where, two years ago, I had heart surgery, and it took me quite a while to recover from that. I spent a lot of time meditating ’cause I was on my back for probably most of 18 months. I was told by all the health experts that I should be moving my body. And I should be doing, you know, exercise. But I was just so exhausted I couldn’t. And so I went into meditation, and I met my spirit guide and I was having a whinge about not being able to do anything for my body. And I was just lying around all the time. And my spirit guide said”, get down and give me 10″. And I was like, what? And they said.,”Get down and gimme 10 now. “And I went, what do you mean? In the meditation? “Yes, now. “

So in the meditation, I was visualizing myself doing 10 pushups, and I was like, this is really strange, this is really weird. They said it doesn’t matter whether you’re doing it physically or you are doing it in your mind; you still get all the benefits from it. So I was, basically, told off for not using this incredible aspect we have, which is here in our visualizations.

Johnny Burke: So, does your spirit guide also have a sense of humor or not necessarily?

Elissa Freeman: Oh, yes. yes. Sense of humor, not anger, but frustration- usually at me. …

Johnny Burke: I kind of suspected that, and I brought this up with another speaker a while back. and I said, I can just imagine them watching me or one of my friends not learning a lesson and just looking at another spirit guide and shaking their head; this guy’s never going to get it. What are they doing now? Or literally throwing their hands up in the air, apparently that’s true. What kind of messages has your spirit guide given you, especially ones that help you in your current work?

Elissa Freeman: Well, my current work, it’s strongly linked; if I am working with a client and I’m coaching a client, I’m doing some therapy with them, and perhaps there’s something I can’t quite connect with or I can’t quite work out. Then I can also use meditation for that, going to my spirit guide and just say, how can I help this person? And often, I’m told exactly what I need to help them with. Or they might say that’s not even the problem. It’s way underneath that. The reason why you can’t work it out is because that’s not the problem. Or something like that. So I am definitely guided to help my clients or they benefit from not just what I’ve learned in my studies, but also to that deeper level as well.

There was once before I was a coach, I was a fashion designer where I had this huge studio where I was making things. I had my machines, rolls of fabric, and everything there. One day when I turned up at my studio, I found that my things had been stolen, a couple of rolls of fabric and some tools had been stolen. I was devastated. I was just, you know, I was working my way up into putting together a fashion show, and this was just catastrophic. And I turned around and went home, and felt very, very sorry for myself. Eventually, I went to my room, and I meditated and spoke to my spirit guide, and I just wondered, why did this happen to me? Oh, no, why? What’s the reason? And my spirit guide said. What? Don’t you want to know who took it?

Johnny Burke: Interesting.

Elissa Freeman: And I said, ” I can know that?” And my spirit guide said,” Yeah.” And I said, “Well, who took it? “And they mentioned a person’s name. And this was someone I’d met once or twice, and I was working in a coffee shop that came and repaired the dishwasher. For some reason, we got to chat, and they said, “Oh look, if you ever in this area, pop in, “and gave me their address. And for some reason, I kept that. And that was the person’s name

Johnny Burke: Did you confront them?

Elissa Freeman: I did. So I had their address, and it was actually in the same suburb as my studio. I had never been to the place before, so I found the place and knocked on the door. There was no answer. So I left a little note on the door. This is pre-mobile phones and the internet, of course. So I wrote on a note. I just dropped in to say hi. And I put that on the door, and I went back to the studio and went about my business. Now, about 45 minutes later, he turns up at the studio. He turned up, and he was gray in the face, and he took me aside, and he said,” Oh, I was really out of it a few nights ago, and I broke in here.” and I said, “I know.” “And I took your things.'” And he was like,” How did you know?” And I just said,” Oh, I just sometimes know these things. ” And apologized profusely and brought everything back to me. That’s just one particularly good example, but certainly, from that moment on, I have never doubted a word, and it has steered me very well.

Johnny Burke: Sounds like it, and what you were describing before, like how you help your clients, and you consult with your spirit guide to figure out what the real problem is. And often, it’s something that is, as you said earlier, that’s not the real problem. It’s beneath that. It sounds like a mediumship reading where a medium is using her guides and perhaps the sitter’s guides to see what’s really going on. Do you see a parallel there?

Elissa Freeman: I do, except when I speak with my spirit guide, I’m not with my client.

Johnny Burke: All right. Okay.

Elissa Freeman: So this is something that I’ll do before a session or something like that. Particularly if there’s a tricky one. Or sometimes, if someone doesn’t really want to share with me, which I’m perfectly fine with, I do a lot of work with people, and they don’t need to tell me the problem necessarily, but they can just say, I have a problem, and I can work with that. That’s sometimes enough. So I guess perhaps there are similarities; maybe it’s all one thing anyway. Who knows?

Johnny Burke: It could be. That leads me to the next question. I don’t think you consider yourself or brand yourself a medium, but you did eventually become a shamanic practitioner and a hypnotherapist. And what prompted you to learn about shamanism and become a practitioner?

Elissa Freeman: I think that I’ve been unknowingly practicing it always, so I think it’s been something that’s just in me. it wasn’t until later in my life with my readings, you know, just, just research and reading, that I found that what I did and what shamans do tend to be fairly similar. I’ve studied shamanism from all different cultures, so I don’t connect to one particular culture, it’s more of a general thing, but basically, for me, a shamanic practitioner can connect with spirit and can interpret symbols and signs, et cetera, things like that, which I’ve been always doing. I only recently put a name to it because I’d been searching for a word I guess, that encompassed everything that I did anyway. and that one seems the closest.

Johnny Burke: You don’t really dabble in mediumship then?

Elissa Freeman: No, not really.

Johnny Burke: Mediumship and shamanism often overlap. I interviewed someone recently who is both. She does both. And there are certain things that she said a shaman can do that a medium can’t always do, so I thought that was really interesting. So, let’s talk about dream analysis. How is that part of your work, how did you discover it, and are you using it?

Elissa Freeman: Oh wow. Well, for a start, the reason why I use it is because it is immensely powerful. Dream analysis and hypnotherapy tend to go hand in hand really nicely because both of those things tap into that universal knowing. The universal knowledge that we are a part of. There’s no separation between us and spirit. It’s, we are part of it, and we are just part of us, and we are all one. Sometimes, that’s hard to get our head around. We can understand that intellectually not necessarily fully get it. And the reason for that is because we’re in our physical body.

But in regard to dream analysis, because we’re in this physical body and we have logic and all of this, we don’t often get to hear what our unconscious or universe- I see it as one- is telling us. We constantly have guidance; constantly if we are willing to see it, and it’s everywhere around us all the time. Some people might hear, okay, I’ve got the spirit guide that I can see. Not everyone has their guidance like that. That’s just how mine works. Whether that’s the same or different to anyone else, I don’t know. But I do know that we all get messages that guide us all the time. And dreams are one way that our unconscious will give us messages. It goes through filters, though. So, there are sometimes different filters like our beliefs, our upbringing, and our programming.

And there are all these things that this unconscious, pure unconscious message, which might be something like “you are powerful beyond measure. “The unconscious says, okay, I want you to know this, and it pops it up, but it goes through these filters of humanness, and these filters change the message into symbols, and it might pop up. One of the most powerful filters we have is our culture really changes. If this is one of the things dream analysis. If you’ve got a dream analysis book or you tend to look up your dream symbols online, I’d suggest you throw the book out and don’t look up those symbols. And I know some people might go, oh my goodness, that’s pretty full on.

Johnny Burke: You’re saying don’t look up the symbols. Question about dreams; What do you make of the dreams where you see a family member or friend who passed on in your dreams; I’ve been told many times it is them, but other people seem to doubt that, and they think no, that’s just a figment of your imagination; it makes no sense. How do you know if it is indeed them or if it’s just your imagination? Is there a way to do that?

Elissa Freeman: Yeah, so it could be one of two things. It could be them. It also could be that the message going through these filters that I was just mentioning changes into the visual experience of the memory of that person. Regardless, the message is still vital. That’s what’s important. And when it pops up, when this message, let’s say this, you are powerful beyond the message, and the universe pops it up, and it goes through their human filters, and perhaps in one of those, it may actually be a visual of that person who’s passed on. That’s possible. Right?

And once we get through all these filters, it might pop up as the visual of that person saying this thing to us. “You are powerful beyond measure.” Or it could be something that’s not those words at all. It could pop up as something like, a dog that’s sitting by your feet. What does that dream mean? But if you looked up dogs on the internet or in your dream analysis book, it might not be right for you because of these different filters that we have in our humanness. An example of this is, let’s just say you’ve got two people who both dream of a dragon.

One’s cultural background is Chinese, and one cultural background is British. And you are going to get very different meanings. That person, when they analyze it will be very different. Perhaps the Chinese person would see that as a very lucky symbol and there’s going to be something very fortunate. Whereas perhaps the person with the British background might see that as something like a danger. They’re polar opposites. This is why looking up the symbol of the Dragon is going to be really just the author’s interpretation.

Johnny Burke: Right, and it’s not necessarily going to be right for you.

Elissa Freeman: No, no. So that’s what’s important.

Johnny Burke: How about when you dream about a person or a very familiar place? You know them, but when you wake up and that fogginess for about 30 seconds passes, you think, who was that girl? I know her, but I’ve not met her. What is that?

Elissa Freeman: There can be a few different things here. It could be an overlapping of time. So this is where you get prophetic dreams and Deja vu. So, with prophetic dreams, you dream it without symbols. It is clearly what it is. You dream someone’s going to call you today, someone out of the blue you never expected. You wake up, and they call you. That’s a prophetic dream. Some people have those, and some people don’t. It’s direct. Sometimes things like what you’ve explained are like Deja Vu, but perhaps in a dream? Maybe there’s some time overlap there.

Johnny Burke: When you say time overlap, are you talking about maybe a past or a future life? Because I’ve heard that too.

Elissa Freeman: I think that because we’re human and we have this relationship with time, I think that that relationship with time keeps us human and in our bodies. But I think universally, that doesn’t exist. But I think it must exist for us in our human experience.

Johnny Burke: When you say it doesn’t exist, what does not exist?

Elissa Freeman: The lineal time,

Johnny Burke: Oh, okay.

Elissa Freeman: The past, present, and future. The fact that they exist all at once. So I think when we have Deja vu or a dream, like you just suggested, you knew that person, but then you woke up and you realized you didn’t know them, perhaps you haven’t met them yet. Perhaps it’s that universally time exists, as one thing, not lineal as past, present, and future. But I think we need to experience, past, past, present, and future in our human experience.

Johnny Burke: One woman I interviewed said, “I don’t believe there’s past lives because they’re all happening at once. To put it in human terms, that was probably another life. Maybe one I’ve not actually experienced physically yet. Does that make sense?

Elissa Freeman: Makes perfect sense. And because you said that and you feel that, I would agree with you. Now, someone else has had that same experience, it might be different for them. This is why it’s such an individual thing. It’s a direct link from your unconscious, from the universe to you. That’s why no one else can tell you what your dream means. I use processes with my clients where they can have a dream, and I’ll say, focus on your dreams. They’ll come to me with a dream, and then we’ll analyze it. Their symbols are theirs. I help them put the pieces together. But their symbols are theirs because it’s so unique. So if you had that experience in your dream that you felt was a past life or another present life, you want to see it

Johnny Burke: Another, present life in a different dimension? It felt very real, and it’s not the first time that’s happened. I was always really interested in that, and since you brought up dream analysis, I figured things like that have to come up with your clients.

Elissa Freeman: I think it’s really, really interesting that you say that too Johnny because, if that’s happened more than once, and it might, it’s a recurring theme, then what is happening there without a doubt is that you are being told something. You haven’t got it yet, so whatever the message is in there, it has to come back a few times and recur because it’s really important. And number two, you haven’t quite got it all yet.

Johnny Burke: And one of my shaman friends said something similar to what you just said: that is a recurring thing for you. It’ll eventually be revealed what that is. I’m not saying I had the same dream about the same girl, but dreams where a place or a person are really familiar.

Like, I remember one day I woke up, I thought, who was that? I got to find a way to get in touch with her, and then I thought, oh, that was a dream. I just think it’s very interesting how you do that, and you do the shamanic practice. Shamanism is really old. It’s probably the oldest mystical practice. What is it like? 30, 40,000 years old or older?

Elissa Freeman: Well, I think it is. This is the beginning of humankind.

Johnny Burke: Yeah, it could be. Yeah. Okay. What are the biggest takeaways from your experiences with spirit guides shamanism and Dream analysis? Are they all paths that wind up on the one path or not necessarily?

Elissa Freeman: I think there’s so much we don’t know. We are vast and immense, but our knowledge is so limited that, to answer your question to honestly, who knows? What I think is important is that if you get a sense of that, if that works for you and if that’s helping you. Then that’s what’s important because I believe that we are here to do good. We are here to make this world a better place for sure. However that comes to us, it is part of that whole big picture. The techniques are less important. Then what the outcome will be. The technique is just a tool that we use; the real focus here is on how they’re used and what difference they can make. It’s how the Universe connects with you.

[Johnny Burke: If we are listening to our spirit guides, ‘ I’ve been told many, many times, everyone has them, sometimes more than one. That is a way for us to connect with universal knowledge that we can all have access to. Right?

Elissa Freeman: Absolutely. But know, if people hear this interview and go, oh, I need to see this and hear this. It may not be how you are being guided. It could be through your dreams; it could be through the symbols that you see. It could be when you are walking down the street and there’s a crack in the footpath that pops to you and then you can work out from what that means in your life right then and there. It could be that little feather that you see. It could be the reflection of the clouds in the high-rise buildings, or glass windows. It doesn’t always necessarily need to be nature or necessarily in meditation. I just have an experience. Some people may have something similar, but you all have guidance. Everyone on planet Earth has that guidance, and sometimes it’s just simply that heart feeling or gut feeling.

Johnny Burke: The gut feeling of intuition, right?

Elissa Freeman: Many different ways that the messages come to us. And everyone has, I guess, their way that connects them with universe. That’s this whole big picture. Like I said, the tools are less important, but the message is what’s vital.

[Johnny Burke: Messages. Okay. So, how do you see the role of spirit guides evolving in the future? I mean, do you ever think we’ll see holistic medical buildings that have shamans and mediums and energy workers and spirit guides on floor two where you can talk to them? And I’m exaggerating a bit, but do you see the knowledge and the acceptance of these beings actually progressing, or not necessarily?

Elissa Freeman: I think it’s progressed so much in the recent past that it’s a logical progression and I can’t see it ever going backwards. Well, I think that science is starting to play a really powerful role here because finally, science has actually been doing studies on some of these more obscure tools and finding the truth in them. Years ago, meditation was, you know, nothing, and now they’re realizing how incredibly powerful it is for helping people with PTSD and anxiety and all different things that they’re now doctors are recommending, you know, only 10 years ago they wouldn’t have. So I think this is going to be a natural progression. It’s very exciting.

And I also think not everyone realizes it. And you think, okay, where do these spirit guides come from? Are they just people like you, Johnny, who have collected a life of all these podcasts that you’re doing, all this information that’s going into you; what’s to say that when you are a spiritual being, you’ve let go of your shell, you physical shell, that you are going to be guiding others? Who’s to say that’s not your whole purpose? It’s not just for this life. You are actually preparing.

Johnny Burke: I’d be a pretty snarky spirit guide, though, and I would probably get frustrated and get a little irritated with people who weren’t really taking my messages. But as people become more spiritually aware. Thinking that, from all the discussions all of us have had about ascension and raising our vibe, at some point in the future, people are going to say, “Of course, you have a spirit guide. Have you not been paying attention in school?” Is that like decades or centuries off in the future?

Elissa Freeman: I think that that is starting to happen already, and things like what you are doing are vital. It’s really difficult for me to predict that. I certainly hope, and I do believe that that is going to happen. Yeah. It’s happening already. Definitely, there are huge changes, and you talk to youth; when I talk to my kids and my kids’ friends, it is so different now. They’re so much more aware. I think that we really have to bank on that happening because we have to change the world has to change. There’s a lot that’s wonderful.

Johnny Burke: Here in the States, there are a lot of non-great things happening. We’re not going to go into that, but you’re right; it does have to change.

Elissa Freeman: And what we can do is do our very best to follow those feelings, follow our spirit guide. The spirit guide would never tell you to do anything that is harmful to you or others. You can follow that, knowing that is the truth. And that is a powerful message for you if you did get a message that told you to do something that was harmful to you or others, but that’s not your spirit guide. That’s not universal knowledge.

Johnny Burke: Good point. …

Elissa Freeman: Yes. So I think that that this is something that is, definitely we are going to see far, far more of. I don’t know about other places in the world, but when my mother was a psychic- she’s passed on now,when she was doing her psychic work, that was when I was a child. So when, as I was growing up through my childhood and teen years, mum was reading all the time, but it was secret. It was something that my mother said, don’t you ever tell anyone that I read.

Johnny Burke: That’s not true now though.

Elissa Freeman: No, it’s not true now because she was concerned she’d be arrested and jailed. This is just in my lifetime, seeing this. When people would call her up and want a reading, basically, it was only through recommendation; who recommended you? And it wasn’t someone she knew and trusted she wouldn’t read for them. Because it was illegal and punishable by law, and so we’ve really, in just my lifetime, I’ve seen it come. Yeah, well, I don’t know what it was like in other parts of the world, but this is Australia. We’ve come a lot further now. Now, of course, people can advertise their services and put it on social media. We can have these kinds of conversations.

Johnny Burke: Psychics and mediums are very common. Now. There’s a book for those of you who are curious called The Medium Explosion; it’s written by a man named Bob Ginsburg, who runs the Forever Family Foundation, which, among other things, actually tests mediums; tests them, and certifies them. The book is meant for that person who wants to explore finding a medium to get a reading from, but to be wary of the pitfalls and the things that they need to know about. So, it’s definitely good stuff. Elissa, thanks for coming onto the show tonight. great information, especially about the dream analysis. In the meantime, how can our listeners

find you online?

Elissa Freeman: Oh, it’s been great to be here. Thank you so much. And for your work, Johnny, the work that you do is so important, so I’m really, really happy to be here. So, yeah, if listeners want to connect, they can go to my website, which is elissafreeman.com au. Or on Instagram, which is Alyssa j Freeman.

#174 Winnifred Davis: War Through The Eyes Of The Soul Part I

May 18, 2024 by Johnny Burke

Shamanism, Mediums

#fallenangels, #karmicdebt, #lawofone, #mediumship, #pastlives, #reincarnation, #rescuesoul, #shaman, #shamanism, #sonsofbelial, mediumwinnifreddavis

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Winnifred Davis. She is a poet, writer, spiritual counselor, psychic medium, and shaman. She’s also been a rescue soul for more than 33 years and has written several books about the Soul’s journey and the truth that is Reincarnation. Today we’ll discuss her most recent book, A Broken Record, History on Rewind. War Through The Eyes of The Soul in Poetry. Winnifred,welcome back to the show

Winnifred Davis: thank you for having me back. John, how are you today?

Johnny Burke: I am good, and it’s always good to see you. I guess we’re going to continue the Through the Eyes of the Soul Series. Today, we’ll talk about the latest book and how the soul defines or actually sees war in the first place.

Winnifred Davis: war is a culmination of the struggle between the spirit and the material affinities. So man’s advent on earth began in war, and as Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, said, we were going along as spirits, doing what we were supposed to be doing. And we stopped by, saw what was going on on Earth, the processes, and then we decided to get involved. As I like to say, in Jamaica, they have a saying, you know Stan a sih noh bruk noh deans, ah fas mash it up. In other words, it’s okay to look. But once we get involved, that’s another story. And so we got involved in fighting the other animals for their molds. That there were no molds for us because this was not our destiny.

So we rebelled against our destiny. And so our advent on earth began in war. Rescue souls were sent to help the first wave of spirits who got trapped. When they came down, some of them got trapped. They loved the material affinities, and so a war developed between those rescue souls who decided to join the first set of souls and the ones who came just to do their job. So you had the Sons of Belial, who decided, well, they’re going to get in there. It looks really good. And the ones who came to do the job were the sons of the Law of One. So that’s our first foray into war. It was not really Lucifer’s rebellion; it was our rebellion.

Johnny Burke: So we were trapped by the material affinities. And it wasn’t our destiny to come here in the first place. Interesting. And you also mentioned the Sons of Belial or Sons of Belial, which Edgar Cayce did write about. That was the faction that gravitated toward materialistic things, the material affinities?

Winnifred Davis: That’s correct.

Johnny Burke: So since we mentioned the Sons of Belial, what does that have to do with the Lucifer Syndrome and the masks, which you’ve written about?

Winnifred Davis: Mm-Hmm. Lucifer has nothing to do with this, but because the popular thing is that Lucifer rebelled, he was the angel, the fallen angel. So I just termed what the love of the material affinities are; I termed it the Lucifer Syndrome, which is the cravenness for power. And that’s why we crave material affinities: because we want power and control over our brothers. And well, some of us believe that we have dominion over the fish, the sea, the land, and the animals. So that basically is the Lucifer Syndrome.

The Lucifer Syndrome usually hides behind masks. What are the masks? The masks are race, color, ethnicity, language, politics, and religion. Anything that separates us into groups, separates and segregates us. Those are the masks. Behind them hides the Lucifer Syndrome.

Johnny Burke: As we have discussed before, you have many past life memories in your experience, which go back quite a long time. Have you seen anything that confirms that Lucifer actually did exist, or was that the type of thing that was handed down through the ages, whether by tablets or writings or by word of mouth?

Winnifred Davis: I believe Lucifer did exist. I have not queried, but I’m sure he did as an archangel. And there are many. But as some of the myths say, he rebelled against destiny. And if you think there are four poles: north, west, east, and south, and if he rebelled against his destiny and he’s one of the archangels that would be holding up the earth, so to speak, then I guess we kind of be just hanging on three instead of 4 legs. Right. I do believe he did exist, and later on, I will query; whenever my guides decide, they will let me know. So I’ve just used him, his name because of the stories we hear. I just used that saying that we are the fallen angels, not Lucifer.

Johnny Burke: We are?

Winnifred Davis: Of course, we are the fallen angels, exactly. Okay. Because we rebelled against our destiny, which was not on earth.

Johnny Burke: Someone who does astral travel, that was on the show a while back, actually likened what you just described as some people or souls that thought they were going to go on vacation, and they went to this place and got trapped into the 3D density of Earth. That’s been explained to me in different ways.

Winnifred Davis: Different ways. Exactly.

Johnny Burke: It’s different, but I’ve not heard anyone describe us as fallen angels, but if the description fits that this was not our destiny,

Winnifred Davis: Right, when we think about the story of Lucifer, we say he’s a fallen angel because he rebelled against his destiny, right? Or some people say he tried to overthrow God, the creator, the supreme being. Another thing about masks is that each of us wears many masks at one time.

For example, I am female, so I’m wearing the mask of gender. I’m black. I’m wearing the mask of race. If you should go further into my genealogy, I’m actually wearing not just the mask of the black race, but I’m wearing the mask of different peoples, right? Religion. We wear the mask of religion all at the same time. Social status. Politics, you know, what’s your political persuasion? What’s your language? What’s your ethnicity? Each of these masks can be subdivided into different masks. So if you take religion, I’m Christian. I’m not Christian, but we are just speaking Christian. Okay. Are you Catholic? Are you Orthodox? Are you Protestant? I am. Baptist, I’m Protestant, and I’m a Baptist. What kind of Baptist are you? And so we can go further and further. So, each of us wears many different masks at once and we tend to shift to where the power is. And that’s where I’ll go.

Johnny Burke: So at what point, other than when we finally leave the Earth and go back to the spiritual realm, do we get stripped of our masks, or is that the only time that happens?

Winnifred Davis: No, the masks are stripped as soon as we die,

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Winnifred Davis: They are irrelevant because you will come back in another lifetime. You will change gender, and you will change religion. You might come back with the same mask or some of the same masks. It depends. Maybe you need to be born into a family to work out certain karmic duties or debts. Or sometimes, you come back in a mask because you have a lesson to learn or a karmic debt to settle.

Johnny Burke: What’s interesting about masks, right? I’ve heard this described many, many times when we die, and we go to the In Between space and we make our soul agreements, and maybe reconnoiter with our soul family, whatever happens there. ‘ I’ve heard that described as, like someone casting a movie, casting the characters that are going to be in our next life. Are the masks part of that casting process or is it something that we put on when we come back down to Earth?

Winnifred Davis: Well, they can be part of that casting process because, as I said, if you have to come back with a family, and members of that family to work certain karmic debt, or to learn certain lessons and the family with regards to their other, journeys that they have to deal with in that particular lifetime, then you would be black, for example. Right? Or it is something that is part of your learning process, then the lessons will determine the mask that you are going to wear, right?

Johnny Burke: That’s, a very, very good point to help us understand this, which is multi-layered. The whole cycle, birth, death, reincarnation, casting, and then over and over again. You believe that there are different types of war, not just the physical variety that we are very aware of at this time, but also maybe a war that’s fought on the spiritual plane. Is that true?

Winnifred Davis: Yes. There are wars that are fought on the spiritual plane between spirits. There are wars that are fought between spirits and the living.

Johnny Burke: Great. Would that be like a Poltergeist thing or actually spirits that have a memory and an agenda?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, you have the poltergeist thing, and then you also have spirits with an agenda. And then, when you’re dealing with something like witchcraft, which does exist. And that’s where a lot of us lose our lives sometimes too prematurely because we do not know or do not believe that what you can’t see can harm you. So yes, you can have that as well. And then, of course, if we have bad thoughts or negative thoughts, then we do attract negative spirits, and they act in accordance with you because misery loves company, and you become even more negative, and on and on it goes. So there’s always that struggle going on as well.

Then, in terms of the physical wars, one would be with politicians when they are sagging political fortunes, then start a war because everyone loves to rally around the flag. For example, they have a scandal going on, and they want to create a distraction and start a war. And therein, you see the selfishness. People are going to die. Children will be left as orphans. The misery you create, but you don’t care. You just care about your power, your political fortune, or getting rid of your scandal. And then, of course, you have the war on terror. You have war, which we must fight to defend ourselves. We cannot avoid that. And then, of course, if you are in bondage, then you are going to fight to lift and extricate yourself from that yoke around your neck or the shackles around your feet. So yes, you have different types of physical wars and reasons for wars.

Johnny Burke: But what about the galactic beings? I’ve been told that there have been wars that go back in time, way back- eons, actually. Wars between different types of star beings. Or perhaps even star beings waging psychological warfare with humans.

Winnifred Davis: The spirits of what I consider on the low rung of the ladder of soul evolution, they love misery, so if you are thinking of negative things or if you are open to suggestion, they will make your life just exactly what you want it to be; a living nightmare. For example, you’ve heard those stories of gaining wealth, but you don’t have to make the horrific sacrifices that you think you have to make. Which is ridiculous, but those spirits will promise you that. And then they know better. But they’ll have you go out doing all these crazy things, and they’re laughing. Those are the kinds of things that they will play with your mind. In terms of different star seeds, I don’t know anything about that,

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard the same thing about star beings that feed off negative energy, which is exactly what you just described.

Winnifred Davis: It’s basically the same thing. It’s just a matter of names- how I look at it and how my guides give me things. The keepers of secrets and the collective like to make things simple so that we are not caught up in the whole dogmatic framework we are all trying to run away from with regard to religion. Uh, cut away the fat. So, you have different terms. Do you call it the supreme being? Do you call it consciousness? Call it God? What is it? They or them? It doesn’t matter. It’s just all names, and if people are going to understand the whole of humanity cannot get into the trap of where you have to be specialized. You know the names, you know these terms, you know, they’re basic terms, but you know, it becomes so complicated, and only a special set of people are going to know all these terms. And they give it to me, they just give it to me lean without the fat.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned the collective. Now, you and I have talked about this several times, but for those who may not have seen your first episode, tell us a little bit about the collective and how that figures in all of this in the cycle of war and history.

Winnifred Davis: Okay, the collective- my collective, or my guides. They would be my ancestors. They would be other guides from my different lifetimes on earth. Maybe I might have met them. I know them from other lifetimes. They’ve continued with me. They’re angels and archangels and have different specialties, just a whole host. The Great White Brotherhood, the different names that we have, those are my collective.

Johnny Burke: I heard someone bring up the great, white Brotherhood the other night, and she asked me, this one speaker,’ Have you ever heard of them? ‘I said no. ‘I’ve heard of a metal band called Great White’, but not the Great White Brotherhood. Sorry, I couldn’t resist. You had just mentioned, a few moments ago, source. I think you did say something about the creator as well. Talk about how you believe we cannot fight for the creator.

Winnifred Davis: Yes. A lot of religious people, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus, believe that they make Holy Wars when we try to convert others. They believe that they speak on behalf of the creator in the sense that I’m fighting for him. I’m collecting money for him. You are an infidel, or you are a heathen, and so you will not abide by the rules of the creator so you fight. You have the evangelicals who say, God says this, and you are not doing this. Who are we really when we think about it? If this is a consciousness creator, he is not supposed to be like us. If he is the supreme one, he will not be partial. Why do we think that we have the power to fight on his behalf? He doesn’t need anyone to fight for him. Because he is what? Omnipotent that, for me, is very logical.

Johnny Burke: He doesn’t need us to fight for him.

Winnifred Davis: He doesn’t.What we need to do is to look after ourselves, take care of ourselves, and take care of each other. That’s how you fight for the creator. That’s what he wants to see. Not doing harm, killing others, and you say you’re fighting for the people. I mean, that’s arrogance. That is what we call Lucifer Arrogance.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Is that the same thing where we have politicians aligning themselves with either religion or God ? Some of them have actually said certain politicians were brought here by God. If that isn’t a red flag, I don’t know what is. What are your thoughts?

Winnifred Davis: Often, we use religion. We invoke the name of the creator to give credence to what we are doing. We cannot really speak on behalf of the creator, saying that we represent him. We all represent the creator because he created us, each and every one of us. And he’s not partial to you. He’s not partial to me. He’s not partial to anyone. He has no chosen few. That’s us.

Johnny Burke: He has no chosen few?

Winnifred Davis: No, not at all. Because when we do that, we say he is like us, and he is not. If not, I cannot understand how he would be a god; he could never be, and if he’s like us, well, is he black? Is he white? You know, is he Muslim? Is he a Jew?

Johnny Burke: is he a Democrat? Is he Republican?

Winnifred Davis: Is he Democrat, Republican? Yeah. Is he Russian? Is he English? You know, for me, it’s just not logical.

Johnny Burke: I think that the religious element obviously has a lot to do with war, and many of us wonder, this endless cycle of war; is it ever going to end? But at the same time, you believe that war has no descendants. How does the fact that war does not have descendants have to do with this endless cycle?

Winnifred Davis: Well. You have what I call historical grudges, victimhood, prejudices, and suffering. So, you’ll have, from generation to generation, two groups of people constantly at war, and it just never ends. And it might go on for hundreds of years, but if you look at it through the eyes of the soul- I’ll just use me as an example. In one lifetime, I was Catholic, and it was during the time I’ve been Catholic in a couple of lifetimes. Still, I’m talking about a particular lifetime when the war between Protestants and Catholics in Europe was going on like no tomorrow. And so here I was in one lifetime as a Catholic. 50 years later I reincarnate as a Protestant,

Johnny Burke: It makes perfect sense because you get to see both sides of the coin, right?

Winnifred Davis: you know what I mean? And so here now, I am reincarnated as a Protestant, but I’m going to fight a battle against Catholics because my father was a Protestant, and my grandfather was a Protestant. That makes no sense. In this lifetime, first Catholic, then another lifetime, the next lifetime, Protestant. And in that lifetime, when I was a Protestant, near the end of my life, I converted to a Catholic.

That’s why I say historical grudges and prejudices and suffering make no sense because here you are, you’re born, and sometimes you have no skin in the game. You might be, for example, Palestinian. And you have someone who is Jewish, but in other lifetimes, they were neither. Well, why are they fighting? You see where I’m going with this? Therefore, war has no descendants. The only descendants war will have been if you happen to live that lifetime. But once you leave this earth. That’s it. So, there are no descendants. So during this war, these historical grudges that we’re fighting, because if you look at some of the souls, now, let’s go back to the Middle East. If you look at some of those souls, you would be surprised to know that some of those Jewish souls in another lifetime were Nazis.

Johnny Burke: True.

Winnifred Davis: You would be surprised to know some of those Palestinian Muslim souls were Jews. So, if we could only understand reincarnation and the facts, then we would think twice. But then again, maybe we wouldn’t because it’s all about power. It’s all about power when you go down to the nitty gritty. So what you have in many of these, historical grudges and all the wars that are because of them, what you have are basically souls on the lower rung of the ladder soul evolution who try to cheat karma. So. They have not been through many incarnations to learn lessons, and they sense an opportunity to come back and then gain power. So they reincarnate as people with different masks.

Johnny Burke: So I meant to ask you about this anyway. How exactly does someone cheat reincarnation? It’s almost like they’re trying to rig the game, as it were.

Winnifred Davis: Yeah, they’re trying to, but you can’t. They haven’t learned that you cannot, so they will just delay, no matter how many times they reincarnate. They’ll just delay it and decide not to come back for like 200 years or a thousand years. Just, you know, to come and, I hate using the word, but settle their karmic debts.

Johnny Burke: Okay. They’re delaying it.

Winnifred Davis: Yeah, they’re delaying it

Johnny Burke: It’s like delaying paying a bill that you know you need to pay.

Winnifred Davis: Yeah, exactly. They think maybe karma will forget about it, right?

Johnny Burke: Uh, karma will not.

Winnifred Davis: No, it will not.

Johnny Burke: Very good explanation. I like that. Tell us about it. This is really fascinating, by the way. Some of the children who’ve come to you and others who are rescue souls, where did they come from?

Winnifred Davis: In the book, I refer to this particular conflict going on in the Middle East, the DRC, the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Sudan. And that’s a horrific one that’s going on, famine, and it’s just absolutely horrific, but it’s not on the front pages. And so I had all these little children dressed in different flags. They were wearing different flags and led by this little one who was in a superhero, I think about it, superhero costume. And he was leading them. Right there, I knew some of them; they were lost. They didn’t know how to get over to the light.

Johnny Burke: To the light?

Winnifred Davis: Yes, they did come along with my guides, my grandmother; she’s very prominent when it comes to children, helping them over the light. But that little one was wearing the superhero costume, meaning he knew where to bring them .So he’s sort of like the shepherd. I’m sure there are a lot of other rescue souls who are probably doing the same thing around the world.

You have some of these rescue souls working with children, including children who have passed away. Now, if you want to put it that way, my specialty is getting them over into the light, and then others are dealing with them here in the physical plane. So maybe you’ll have rescue souls working on kids who are lost, kids who have been kidnapped during conflicts, and stuff like that.

Johnny Burke: So you’re kind of like a crossing guard in the spiritual realm just saying, traffic stop- you can cross over now.

Winnifred Davis: Mm-Hmm. Yeah. You know, helping them and guiding them over because that’s part of my job as well as being a shaman, right? Where you’re helping people, and people will come to you. You might not know the person physically in this lifetime, but they find you because you’ve known them before or other spirits lead them to you, and they come, and they announce to you that they’re going.

It’s like when you had 911. I saw it like hours before it happened. I didn’t see that it was New York. But what happened was it was about four in the morning, and I drifted off and I found myself actually in Jamaica with all these deceased people. They were on gurneys. There were so many of them, and they were wrapped in like a white swathing. And my stepdad was one of them. And he was saying, all of them, they were saying,’ tell the world we say goodbye, tell the world that we are gone. Tell them goodbye.’ And I remember jumping out of my sleep.

I just sat up on the bed, and I knew that it was not sleep that I had astral traveled, and I said,’ I’m back. ‘Immediately the phone rang and when I went to the phone to get the phone, it was a friend of mine saying,’ turn your TV on. The second plane is going to hit the tower.’ and right there I knew.

So they had announced, and my stepdad passed away a month later. So they announced that to me. Or I can have clients who I’ve not seen for years. All of a sudden, I got a phone call, and they’re in the hospital; they want to see me. So I go and they’re waiting on me. As soon as I go, they pass because they need assurance.

I’m thinking of one client I had many years ago. I was very close to him, and I was in Jamaica at the time, and they admitted him to ICU. He ended up on life support, and as far as the doctors were concerned, that was it. But his family called me, and asked me when I was coming back, but they wouldn’t give the okay. So I came back and straight from the airport. I went to the hospital. He was in ICU. They’re supposed to check everyone, but somehow, I managed to get in, went in, and I spoke with him, and at the same time, he made a signal. Because I knew there were some things he needed to settle within his soul with regard to some people. And immediately, the hand moved and went like this. And the nurse had just come in at the same time and she was shocked because he had not moved or done anything as far as they were concerned,he was gone and shortly after that was it, he passed.

Johnny Burke: It reminds me of someone I spoke with recently. She was a medium, but also worked in hospice, and her mission, as it were, was to help these souls cross over to the other side. It’s similar to what you do and very cool. And she even talked about shared death experiences where she would actually go along with them to a certain point. So it’s fairly obvious to see what the inspiration for the book was, but you also say it was given to you in less than two days?

Winnifred Davis: The poems, and they’re 14 of them, and some of them are pretty long, and they were given to me less than two days. So I didn’t get any sleep. And for the two weeks that it took me to write the book, like everything, I didn’t get much sleep. I would go 48 hours without any sleep and was wide awake. I had all the energy in the world, and I might sleep, you know, after 48 hours for two hours, and then it was back again. I got the poems and then I said, okay, I’ll just make a little book of poetry because I write poetry. And over the 50-odd years I’ve been writing, I’ve written a lot of war poetry.

I consider myself to be obsessed with war. I can’t think of another word. I wish I could find another one other than obsessed. And so I would put them with some of the war poetry I’ve written, with regards to South Africa and, you know, the whole nine yards. But then I did that, and then, no, they weren’t done. Every time I would say, okay, so I’m going to finish today. I found myself just writing and when they were done, that’s when it was done.

And that was my grandmother. And in the book I wrote, I acknowledged her, and I wrote a dedication to her. She was an extraordinary woman, and the book is dedicated to the children who have passed on during the different wars. In the last 20 years or so, especially in the last 10 years, we see that it’s like children are suffering. It’s like wars are on children; they’re targeted. That’s very close to my heart and my grandmother. So she, along with the guides that I work with, who deal specifically with children with war and justice, are the ones who gave me the book.

Johnny Burke: Okay.

Winnifred Davis: And it was dedicated to them and the children, and to all children all over the world who my grandmother taught me. And she always believed every child had a right to live with their family in love. They had a right to dignity. To an education, to shelter, clothing, and food. They had a right to play. Children should be allowed to play because they’re children. Unfortunately, most of the world is Dickensian, and it’s really difficult.

Johnny Burke: Now the children, does that have anything to do with the Warriors of Justice and Pacific Persuasion that are contained in these poems?

Winnifred Davis: Yes. It’s for the children.

Johnny Burke: I think we have a lot to unpack here. And honestly, we’re just getting started. We’re going to have to continue this discussion in a part two, or in your case, actually a part three. We will definitely do that. Winifred, thanks for coming back to the show. How can our listeners find you online?

Winnifred Davis: Okay. my website is, Naazimainc.com.

#164 Lesley Bergstrom: Shamanism, Channeling & Soul Retrieval

March 9, 2024 by Johnny Burke

Shamanism, Channeling

#channeling, #closertovenus, #earthboundspirits, #fixedeyegazing, #greatwhitebrotherhood, #seraphim, #shaman, #shamanicjourney, #shamanism, #soulretrieval, #thesunshaman, #wanderingspirits, #whiteeagle

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Leslie Bergstrom. She is an empath, channel, urban shaman, and naturopath. Her work involves teaching people about their spiritual gifts and how to grow them for self-healing. Today we will discuss the different ways people experience their psychic gifts, what soul aspect retrieval is and who are the seraphim Leslie, welcome to the program.

Lesley Bergstrom: Thank you, John. I’m so pleased to be here and have this discussion with you. I come to you from the future, the next day in Australia, so that’s kind of fun.

Johnny Burke: So you have a very, very interesting background, which we’ll get into. How did you find yourself on the path that you’re on now?

Lesley Bergstrom: It’s quite a long story, but I suppose I was very psychic as a child. I used to see things in people and what really disturbed me as a child was that what I would see from a person, they wouldn’t show that in their face. They would show something else from what I saw. And that really confused me. And I had some interesting psychic experiences as a child. I actually saw Anubis one night, in bed at, I didn’t know who Anubis was, I lived in a small country town on the far northeast coast of Africa. We only had television; I think when I was 10 years old. And so I’ve lived a very isolated life. I also had an out of body experience at about the age of seven, where I saw my body from above and it felt incredible., a few psychics have told me that I’m a walk-in, I’m still processing that information. At the age of seven, I had an experience where I left my body, and I could see my body from above. I was awake- what I understand now was doing fixed eye gazing. So when you stare at an object, you can alter your state of consciousness. and the knowledge came to me. So a Walkin is when a soul leaves and another soul into the body. So I’ve had two other psychics without me saying anything, tell me that I could be a walk-in and I have toyed with the idea. and it’s interesting, we’ll have a chat about the Seraphim because I’m still going through that process of understanding what that is.

Johnny Burke: so are the rest of us. Yeah.

Lesley Bergstrom: It’s really out there, it’s really out there. And I still have to live my life, you know, chop wood, carry water, raise children. And so, you know, it doesn’t change anything about living my life. But it’s an interesting side note because often as a child, I. just had this saying, I don’t understand people, and it’s like I’ve spent my whole life trying to understand the human being. And that’s even the words that have dropped in. It’s like I don’t understand the human being. And so part of my passion in my sensitivities is being to really understand, what it is to be human. You know, what is the human experience?

Johnny Burke: It sounds like something, a starseed would say, have you any experience with that realm, or not necessarily? Oh, you have.

Lesley Bergstrom: I have in my shamanic journey when I was doing shamanic journey practices, I’ve had lucid dreaming where I know I’ve gone looking for home and I’ve gone out into space, and I actually had my power animal stop me from leaving. And what they said is that if you go too far, you may not be able to come back. That did freak me out a bit, but I know I was looking for very specific star constellations and I have used Stargates in my shamanic journey before and come across realms and it was funny, the one realm I came across that was really interesting that it had, you know, those, I’m just trying to think what they’re call, like the obelisks that they have.

I think they’ve got some in Washington state, those tall states with the peak on top. I came through to a place that had those like guards, and I came into this planet, and it was like a schoolhouse, and I went through a window and I went in and this really strange being came up and grabbed me by the ear and threw me out and said, it’s not time for you to come here right now. And I was like. Damn. Okay. So I had to go back to where I came from.

So, I do resonate with other starseeds and in my energetic work I pick them up a lot. So a lot of star seeds have this kind of feeling that they don’t belong, that they haven’t lived many lifetimes here, and that they do try and understand the human experience. But I do feel we are all star seats to some degree. I find it really interesting , I have a lot of indigenous people come and do my courses. They seem to be drawn to the work that I do. And what I find that is interesting about them is that they’ve had other earth lifetimes, but their ancestors are really close and their energy comes more from the earth and from within the earth. Whereas a lot of energies come from without the earth. So, it’s quite an interesting difference in energies. If that makes sense. So a lot of my passion is to help people understand their energies. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Everything is energy. So when you just mentioned a power animal- which we’ve heard a lot about on the show, actually kind of stopped you and said, “don’t go too much farther because you might not be able to return.” I’m not saying it’s not possible., I’ve just never heard that before. These starseeds, and all the information that comes with that realm has been coming up a lot lately, not just here on Closer to Venus, but I just hear a lot of people talking about it. Why do you suppose that is?

Lesley Bergstrom: I definitely feel that the earth is changing consciousness. So a lot of the information I have been getting recently, especially over the last two or three years, and we’ve been through such an incredible time. Starseeds are incarnating more at this time because we are shifting the vibration of planet Earth. So it’s not just human consciousness and human soul that’s evolving, but the whole planet is actually evolving. The whole vibration of the planet is evolving to a level where we will shift into a new dimension of being.

And so I’ve been shown, because I work a lot with the earth energies, I’m really passionate about the earth energies.

But it surprised me because I never even thought of that, is that even the trees and plants and the earth herself is increasing her vibration. And so starseeds are coming in because they ground energies from different planets and dimensions and realms, and so all of that energy supports the earth and all of the souls, they all come to raise that vibration so that we can live a new, experience of being. It’s kind of like we are evolving that level of consciousness so that we can manifest more easily and come back to a higher vibration of being.

Johnny Burke: Speaking of higher vibrations, does that have anything to do with migrating from. 3D to five D, Ascension and that type of thing, or is it something different?

Lesley Bergstrom: You could probably call it that. I suppose I always say we all poke the elephant from different directions. It’s how everybody sees their energies or experience their reality from their perspective. I’ve tried to question that. It’s quite hard to ground. What does that look like? 5D? I try to actually ground that in a lot of my spiritual work. I’m like, we still have to live our day-to-day lives and experience our life from a grounded, practical perspective. And so what that looks like is becoming more conscious of how we actually manifest, of how we ground the energies of what we create in our lives. That old paradigm of that, you know, we look at life and experience life and then adjust how we behave. We are learning to kind of grow up that energy and really become more personal about the energy. It’s really about holding our own energy, our own vibration and healing our wounds and our shadow so that we don’t hold onto too much darkness, and that we can stop them manifesting way quicker. All the good things that we want in our life. It doesn’t negate any of the hard, heavy energy, but it’s really about being conscious and really grounded and in our bodies about what is coming to us and flowing through us in reality. Does that make sense?

Johnny Burke: It does. Speaking of energies, what are the different ways that people experience their psychic capacity? How do they discover it? What are the most common means in other words?

Lesley Bergstrom: So I find, a lot of people are empaths, so I call them kinesthetics so they feel things. so they may walk into a room and feel the energy. So it’s like, oh, you can often feel that it’s like crowd frenzy. You actually feel that physically in your body. It really hypes you up. And so people are not really conscious of it and how they experience. Some people are more kinesthetic where they feel things and then they translate what that means in their energy and they would obviously relate that to what they’ve experienced in their life when they feel an unhappy parent or an angry parent or a loving parent, you know, what that feels like. And then they may translate that into images or belief systems.

Some people are auditory where they actually hear sounds and then they translate that into what that means for them. Or they are hearing energies. It’s all vibration. Some people are really visionary, so they will see images of pictures or get flashes of things, around a person or insights. And some people have all of that going on. They are kinesthetic, auditory, and visual. And I find when I work with people, I often encourage them to plug into their greater sense and then that I kind of laugh by the end of our process. They’re really having all of that evolve. They’re learning the language, the energetic language of how they experience their reality, and it’s really beautiful because you just grow the consciousness of that.

Johnny Burke: So you’re talking about the clairs, the different sensibilities, right?

[Lesley Bergstrom: Yeah. And you know, I feel we all have that. You know, they say the most incredible businesspeople are quite intuitive because they feel into business decisions and what is right for them on their path. They feel into their next decision, or they have visions about where their energy is headed or what they want to do next. They really trust their inner knowing. We all have a vibration and energy that comes to us and flows through us.

So I definitely feel that we are all becoming more sensitive as well right now, and that is the challenge for most people because you don’t want to keep putting your hand on the hot stove. We are all used to kind of pushing hard emotions sideways and when things are difficult in our life, the old paradigm is we’ve kind of really pushed it aside. I’ll deal with it another day and it’s really hard right now because it’s coming more and more into people’s consciousness. Things that are not working for you anymore. Relationships, health issues, ways of doing things. You really feel the discord in yourself that it’s not right for you. And you know, we have these old belief systems about how we earn money or how we relate to people or how we have relationships.

And the consciousness is coming up when it’s really not in resonance with who you truly are. And all of us, everybody on this planet, we all have to really come back to ourselves and really sit with the truth of those belief systems and how they resonate with us and really connect with our hearts and our energies about what is true for us. And do that healing, that really releases our parents and their pain and their patterns. and I find just consciousness of that is incredibly healing, understanding the generation our parents were from and how they dealt with things and how they may not, accept the consciousness of something before they die, or they may. I had to sit with that at quite a young age. I even explained to my siblings who my parents really were. It helped a huge healing in my family in being able to do that because we have expectations as children of how our parents should support us, how they should guide our lives, and often our parents can’t show up for us in that kind of way.

So I find energetically we are all gaining the opportunity right now to come back and rediscover who we are to really sit with our wounding, to sit with our parents, wounding our ancestors, wounding the planet wounding, and really release that, help it grow us up. Learn from our past errors and learn from the belief systems and kind of redefine what is it that we want, what do we want to create on this planet moving forward.

Johnny Burke: Going back to your background, you describe yourself as a channel and an urban shaman, which I think is really, really interesting. So what came first?

[Lesley Bergstrom: I was a channel first. so I’ve been incredibly intuitive my whole life. I was always searching to understand my gifts and I found it really hard to find people to explain that, and I was really lucky. I’m an immigrant to Australia, so I come from Southern Africa. I’ve been in Australia, I think, for over 20 years now. When I first came to this country, I worked in a hospital. And I met a woman who ran a channeling group. So they would channel White Eagle and the Great White Brotherhood. I’m not sure if you’ve heard of them.

Johnny Burke: I have not.

Lesley Bergstrom: you’ve not.

Johnny Burke: I’ve heard of a band called Great White, but not the Great White Brotherhood.

Lesley Bergstrom: So the great white brotherhood are ascended masters who still come back into the earth energies to help support the evolution. White Eagle was channeled by, I think a Christian lady, and it was quite interesting because he channeled information through to her, about through Christianity in the Bible, he would bring in lessons. And it was interesting because he was American Indian, so he would, channel lessons to her about spiritual growth.

My very first session with this group, there were five ladies, they were all incredible channels, and I was quite nervous. I literally closed my eyes and white eagle came and stuck his face in my face and he had a skin over his head. And I thought I was going to fall off my chair. I got such a fright, And I knew he was coming in to really look at my energy to see if I was ready for this. and what we used to do, we were guided through a process of literally embodying spirit, but our intention was really, to embody light masters. So they are beings of really higher energies. They are teacher beings. They really come with divine love and energy. And the incredible thing about when you channel them is you really feel how they’re trying, they stretch your energy, or they squash you when they come in. You really feel the difference in energy.

So it takes a while to actually energetically stretch or I suppose they’re adjusting your energy so that you can be a good fit and that they can really channel clearly through you. And I found after a point in time I started, taking the group through guided meditations, which I know now were guided shamanic journeys to really relax everybody, get their busy days out of the way, and to really help bring the body back to congruence so that, these light masters could really merge with their energy. I really learned and understood about how everybody channels in a certain kind of degree, any kind of inspiration you have. Yeah. everybody channels, it’s called inspiration. There’s so many words for it in history, but it’s about how much you allow that into your energy. So some people, I call them Rotes. There is a great American author. He did a lot of like OBE experiences. He called it a rope, which I found was such a beautiful way to experience it. So often the energies will just drop a bundle of information where you get a vision, you get a sensory sound, and you get a feeling, and it kind of brings in whole new insights. And that is inspiration, isn’t it? It’s a whole idea, but you kind of get visual, you get kinesthetic, you get auditory. Musicians get sounds coming in, they hear that. It really depends on where your senses are.

So with channeling, there’s different levels. So some people really embody where they literally check out, they step out of their body and allow the guide to really step in and speak through them. Their voice even changes. So when you look at Seth, I’m not sure if you’ve heard of Seth. He was a really deep channel. Yep, and so some people are more like trance channel or some people just their guides are really close by and they literally dialogue them. So that’s how I began. And then I was really searching, I was channeling these journeys and I ended up going to a workshop and a beautiful channel did a guided journey to our houses in that. And my sister was actually with me at the time. and it was really fun because after that meditation, we sat down and started to unpack the meaning of what we got in our meditation.

That led me to kind of search and find shamanism that resonated with me because I’m from Africa, and Shamanism is quite scary. It’s quite superstitious, and it’s really fear-based. And it made me realize that a lot of shamanism can be really fear-based. They use a lot of fear in Africa. It has evolved a lot. There’s some incredible s Gomez?? They call them these days. They do incredible work. But yeah, a lot of deep African shamanism is really scary. They terrify everybody and they have been known even to abduct children and, you know, use body parts for medicine and things like that. So

But then there’s sorcery, they call that sorcery, you know, that all black magic you have everywhere. It’s just about how you use the energy. Then I found South American shamanism, like Michael Hana and Alberto Vedo.??????? I really resonated with their work. and I started doing shamanic journeys and I found what I loved about shamanic journeys, it gave me a direct experience of energy. I could actually, energetically journey into the realms I could dial up with what is there. And it taught me so much about who I was, and how I experienced the world., that evolved to me recording those. And that’s how I teach people about their own energies. I lead them into the landscape, so I’m literally their guide, and it teaches me so much about their energy, so then I can hold space for them to understand their own energies,

Johnny Burke: It does. So, in your work, the shamanic journeys do enhance the channeling experience. It seems like they do work together.

Lesley Bergstrom: Definitely do. I find I channel most of my journeys. My guides have a very clear intention. When I used to run group classes, I used to have the odd student that came, and it was so fun. I have a beautiful student and she is Cook Islander. And her grandmother arrived before my class even happened, and she was so loud in my head and she literally directed her process, because, she could step into a leadership role in her community in the future. And her guides were really clear about how they wanted to train her. And so they would direct my journeys that I did in her training. And it’s so beautiful to see what an incredible visionary she these days is. We’ve been working together for quite a few years now and that’s just been incredible.

So most of my journeys are actually channeled, but I’m also quite an intellectual. I love to understand. So when I channel, sometimes I go deep, but I don’t go very deep so that I can hear and listen and understand concepts that are landing because I learned from it as well. And that’s what I really love about it: how much I learn.

Johnny Burke: How did you learn about soul loss and soul retrieval? And what place does that have in your work, in your practice?

[Lesley Bergstrom: Soul loss and soul retrieval, my students taught me when I started teaching classes and doing guided shamanic journeys, I had some incredibly psychic women come to my classes and one woman had even been through shock therapy in the eighties and she’d actually lost half her memory because she was that psychic and they thought she was crazy. And so they had done shock therapy on her, and I used to run like six- or 12-week processes and she came to class the one day and she had a lost soul. A wandering spirit in her energy. and it was incredibly clear. And she even kept saying, this person keeps showing up and I keep seeing them. What do I do? My guides really showed me, and I also did some research, but they showed me there is a process that you can actually do where you sit and dialogue. So, because I’m a channel, we used to just embody that spirit and allow them to kind of hitchhike in your energy too. Speak through what is keeping them earthbound, if that makes sense.

Johnny Burke: So they are earthbound ghosts, earthbound spirits.?

[00:18:41] Lesley Bergstrom: Yep. how I see that is that when we pass over, if we don’t have a clear perspective of the afterlife or any belief system, or if we die in trauma or fear, I feel like it’s just an aspect of us, it’s not a whole soul.

So most of us return to source, but there is a part of us that stays behind to finish unfinished business and it becomes like a loop of energy, almost like a replay. And that’s why like spirits will often be in houses or areas in where they died. And it was interesting channeling them. I suppose I’m lucky that I wasn’t in a deep trance that I could switch between what the soul was saying and what I was feeling. So I could also then explain to my students what was going on with them and how to process this, if that makes sense.

I had one man once who was in rigor mortis, and it was the weirdest thing because my whole body just went stiff while I was channeling. And it was actually quite hilarious. And I was like, come on, stop trying to stay in your body. Can’t you see? Your body is dead. It is gone. It was interesting because he had no belief system or he hadn’t even really thought about death at that stage, and a lot of people are afraid of it. When I could shift his consciousness, he could see all his ancestors, everybody who showed up for him in spirit. There are always beings that come in spirit.

When a person has been through a lot of trauma, what I often find is that, there is not much and we have to clear, do soul retrieval as well sometimes with the soul. and kind of call in energy. So if a person is Muslim, we bring in angelic beings if they’re Christian often Jesus comes or Mary comes if they are Catholic. If they’re indigenous, you always see the tribal members waiting for them. I’ve had a close family experience. My brother passed away, my brother committed suicide, and my father was there to greet him. I’m so incredibly grateful that I can do this work. So they are wandering spirits. And when we die of stress and trauma, we need help in clearing. And when you look at a lot of the Hindus, you look at the Buddhists, they spend time in doing prayer. In connecting with aspects. The gypsies had a process; they called them sin eaters. They would bring a psychic into the house to clear any of those residue energies in the past. So there’s a lot of history in a culture where they would clear any lingering energy. In Western culture, there’s no process for it. I find there’s a lot of wandering spirits in Western culture because there’s no process for it.

Johnny Burke: I also noticed that your history and practice, a lot of it sounds like what a medium might do. So, is there a crossover between the shamanic practices combined with channeling and mediumship?

Lesley Bergstrom: Yeah, definitely. What I found in the shamanic process is, I mean, I always laugh. I say my guides lead me like along like a stupid donkey. They literally dangle the carrot of the next thing that I need to learn. It is all just where you choose to connect with the energy. So it’s like a rainbow of colors; every color is a different vibration. So as a medium, you choose to connect with that realm. So in shamanism, there’s different realms of energy. The lower world is the energy of this earth. And like the spirit of nature, you know, the spirit of the animals, the plants, our bodies all belong to the lower realm. So it’s that vibration of energy.

The middle realm is the dimension we live in now. So it’s past, present, future. It’s that dimension of time. So what I find with wandering, spirits and soul retrieval, that is all middle realm. So, that is the realm that mediums work in. So they are connecting with the energies in that level for me personally, because I’m so sensitive, I made an agreement earlier on that. I didn’t want to connect with that realm. I didn’t want to feel how Johnny passed over. his pain, his experience. You know, you have to have quite a constitution to deal with that energetically. and so then you go up from there.

So then you have masters. When you look at Muji and Masters like that, I kind of look at it as a tree of life. You start going up the Tree of Life in the vibrational realm. And so, even in shamanism, we journey to different layers up that tree. And so then when you get near the top of the tree, you start having the angelic realms, the light masters and beyond that, I always see can even go up into, outer space beyond that.

So everything is literally a vibration and it’s where you choose to plug in to that realm. So with lost souls, and we even do that when someone has passed over. I had a woman, she died from a spider bite and I, sometimes journey to see where the soul is, if they are in a coma, so that I can then, dial up with the spirit so they can choose what is next for them. So sometimes we have to do soul retrieval. It’s a shamanic word, I suppose. And, I really resonated with that. So soul loss is when we go through any kind of trauma in our life where a certain part of us has to leave in order for us to function and be okay. And so if you look at it as a child, sometimes it can happen through an accident, like if you have like a major accident because of the shock, part of your soul literally leaves.

The unfortunate thing is, and how they describe it in shamanic practice and how I’ve seen it, is that when you’ve had like big trauma, like a big accident, the rest of your life is filtered through that perspective. say when you’re five years old, one of your parents disappears. You don’t know, you’re not explained to, they die or they leave. you have a kind of a soul loss where you can’t trust that you are supported or loved anymore, that that person you really were loved and attached to. And there’s no rational experience when you’re five years old. So what happens, unfortunately, is the part of you that trusts, that feels completely supported and safe leaves.

And so anytime in your life, you start having a similar experience to that scenario. It’s like the five-year-old steps up and relives that experience. And so sometimes you get irrational. Emotional experiences where you can’t explain why you’re feeling the way that you’re feeling, and that is soul loss. I look at it like a knot in your energy. That point is triggered and so that part of you comes up again to be healed. In traditional shamanism, the shaman actually journeys to dialogue with that part of you and brings that back. And it reintegrates that as part of your soul.

How I love to teach it is I like to guide people mostly if they’re capable to do their own soul retrieval because I find it incredibly powerful and they learn so much about their energies. And the more soul retrieval you do, the more present you are in your energy. so it’s incredible. It’s like you’re more coalesced. The more soul loss you have it can make people really depressed or anxious, really ungrounded. And then people can feel dead to life where they just feel like they don’t feel anything anymore because they’ve had so much soul loss, so much trauma that it’s just not safe to be in the body. And so then the problem is, is that they’re spreading their energy through different timelines, and so life just feels completely meaningless. It’s an abstract subject

Johnny Burke: Now speaking of the shamanism, because it sounds like soul retrieval is a shamanic practice. In your experience, have you seen past lives or perhaps even future lives?

[00:25:44] Lesley Bergstrom: yeah, definitely a lot of the time past lives can come up, especially when we’ve had trauma in past lives or, if you are having a specific relationship at this time and you had something happen in that past life that that needs to be healed. Often, especially when I guide people through journeys, a past life will come up. I always find it’s perfect your guides always guide you to what is needed at this point in time. And often I find when you do soul retrieval, you always get what you most need. And that soul aspect will often ground the platform for more to return because each time a soul comes back, a soul aspect comes back.

Say that 5-year-old comes back that was really let down by their parents. When you bring that five-year-old back, you have to then learn to parent that as the adult through all your life experience to this point, you then have to hold that five-year-old. And when you experience soul retrieval, you really get to see how that 5-year-old looked, how they were dressing, what they were doing. And then when you bring that aspect back, you sit with them and you reparent them. So then you start hearing their voice more when they want to play more, when they want to be creative, when they want to have fun or sing or dance, or just relax and have fun. You have to start acknowledging what they need in order to be okay. And the more you acknowledge their energy, the more they stabilize in your energy.

The same happens with past lives, like some people have incredible phobias of water or traveling or things like that. And when they gain the consciousness of that past life and what really happened, it really just dissipates. I find consciousness is incredibly powerful. Whatever we focus on, we bring energy to, and even sometimes just focusing on an awareness of something is incredible. We even do that with animals. You know, domesticated animals actually have greater consciousness than a lot of wild animals because we focus our attention on them.

Johnny Burke: Who are the seraphim? and why is that important in your work?

[00:27:34] Lesley Bergstrom: so the seraphim are new guides that have just come through. It was really quite surprising. I went through, major shifts July last year . And I love going to other shamans for healing. So that I can really be nurtured. And a beautiful shamanic practitioner did some healing on me and he started to open up my energy. And it was really funny because I felt them come into my energy, and they were like light serpents. They started moving in and out of my body, and as they moved in and out of my body, I saw them breaking off like almost like mud. Like layers of energy around me and they were quite joyful and they looked like snakes and they had eyes. All I could see was the eyes and they moved incredibly fast.

I always question anything that comes into my energy, are you of the light? is always my first question because I only want to deal with anything of the light and because it’s of that vibration. And they were very clear they were of the light. And so I allowed them more and more into my energy and as I allowed them more and more into my energy, they started to speak through me and speak light language. And I’m not used to channeling light language. My guides are very clear- they speak English. They’re very explanatory when my guides come through and the therapist started to channel, and it was funny because I’m not a deep trance, I said to them, you better start telling the shaman who you are because otherwise he’s gonna think you possessed and he is going to want to clear your energy. And so I was quite amused. And so even I was surprised at what they said and they said, ” we are the seraphim, we are of the light, and we come to shift the consciousness.” and he was quite surprised too. I was shocked because I was not used to this energy.

After that, I started to connect with them and ask them who they were and what they were doing? I wanted to do that first before I started researching, I’d heard of Seraphim. I kind of know that they are of the angelic realm, and so I thought, okay, let me dialogue with them for a while. To really understand, the energies. And what they showed me was that they actually are light elementals, which really surprised me because I saw them as angelic beings. When you look at like- water has a spirit, the earth has a spirit. Nature has a spirit. Like a beehive has an elemental. Yeah. So it has a consciousness of being. and so they showed me they are the consciousness of being of light and, what they are coming to do.

So what they actually do is when we incarnate, our body is made of the earth. And when our soul comes into the body, it’s actually the seraphim who helps our soul come into the body before or when we are born. So our soul actually travels on their energy. And that’s why there are many, I think there are six or eight of them. And it really confused me because I know when I channel, I really feel the difference in energy between myself and the being that is coming through, especially the Light Masters because they’re such big energy. And the seraphim I didn’t really feel a big difference between my energy and theirs. Their perspective is incredibly different because they are elementals. What I find with elementals, they’re really clear in their purpose of energy.

The conversations with the Seraphim have been so fascinating because what they’re saying is that they never used to be close to the earth dimension. They would literally help us incarnate and then they kind of worked in that realms between when we die and when we are born and kind of bringing like consciousness into matter more. But because the whole vibration of the earth is raising at this time, they are more present in our everyday life because we are really shifting.

And they said, whenever we have heavy, dark thoughts, we are light. So, our soul embodies light into our physical body. And because we are raising consciousness right now, we are becoming more light beings. And when we have heavy emotions or when we focus on dark negative energies, the negative energies are lower vibration. And what it actually does is put a layer of mud around our physical bodies. So it also blocks us all from receiving, and it really weighs us down. And they started showing processes, and that’s why they were doing that to my body. I’d been through a really hard time and they were coming in and literally breaking up all this heaviness around my body so that my light can shine, so that I can be more of who I am and really come back to peace with who I am.

I had an interesting meditation with them. Even just about two days ago, I did a chakra meditation where I normally check in with what my chakras are doing, and they literally, they came in with an angelic being, they were the crown of his energy. And as I was going in and closing down my chakras, they came in like little snakes and it kind of freaked me out a bit, but they started chomping all the chakras on the way down. And I was like, what is that? I we’re closing them. I’m making them whole and perfect and, what are you doing? And they were like, the consciousness is changing right now. How are we experience reality is changing. The old paradigm is falling away. We really have to notice and become conscious of how we are manifesting, how we are standing in our energies, and how the energy is flowing to us.

Johnny Burke: For the average person, can we assume that the Seraphim will be working a little bit harder to get all of our vibrations higher?

Lesley Bergstrom: I definitely think they are around everybody right now maybe because I’m more conscious of them. I see them around everybody, and it’s kind of like they are around whenever you ask, you know, when people pray or ask for inspiration or ask for a connection with love or healing, that is when they can mostly come in and help us.

We are beings of free will, so we have that free will that we can focus our consciousness on whatever we choose. And we are getting that prompting more like – shift that thought already. Can you love yourself through that? You’re having a hard day. You’re frustrated, can you really sit and love yourself?

And so it’s like you’re coming back to that consciousness way quicker than what you would’ve before where you could have gone into that depression hole for a year before. It’s like that’s really shifting way quicker now.

Johnny Burke: It’s good to know that the angels are on our side and are even more trying to raise the vibration collectively. It’s definitely good stuff. Leslie, thanks for joining us today. in the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?

Lesley Bergstrom: so I have a Facebook group called Journey Drum Meditation., my website is www.thejourneydrum.com and I’m known as, the Sun Shaman on Instagram as well.

#142 Denise Damijo: Energy Healing And Shamanism

October 7, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Shamanism

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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Denise Damijo .She is a seer, a shaman, and creator of the Healers Real Podcast, which is part of the Shamanic Group, a place where people are given the appropriate tools and understanding to be guided in their own healing journey. Today we’ll be talking about shamanic meditations, energy healing, and her path to spirituality. Denise, welcome to the program.

Denise Damijo: Yes. Thank you, John. I’m so excited to be here with you today.

Johnny Burke: We love it when someone’s excited. Thank you. Now shamanism, right? This is one of the oldest, if not the oldest, spiritual, mystical practice. What was the attraction for you in the first place?

[Denise Damijo: Well, to be quite honest, it wasn’t attraction. It was more so likeI was thrown into it. And it wasn’t a scary thing, or it wasn’t something that was intimidating or anything else. It was just really like, what is this?

So, I guess, let’s start with the dreams. I had a couple of dreams where I was told in the dreams that I was a shaman and I was like, no, I’m not. Because I had no idea what being a shaman, or a shamanism was. And so then after those dreams, Especially the dream with the man, with the bird head in a boat in the sky, you know? After the dreams, I actually was walking through an airport, I think it was Chicago airport, I can’t remember, but I was walking through an airport. It was around Covid time. The airport looked like zombie land where nobody was there. And all of a sudden, I heard woo! And all these claps and you know, all these things talking about ‘shaman coming through ‘and I’m like looking around. Nobody’s there. And so I got to the train to take me to the rental car place so I could go to my hotel for the night.

And I’m like, okay, when I get home, I need to start figuring out what the heck is a shaman because this is, this is bizarre. This is crazy. When I got home, I got an audio audible book on Shamanism, and as I was washing the dishes, I was listening to that book and everything that I was describing in there was me over the years who I was, automatically. And I was like, wow, okay.

Johnny Burke: So this came to you in a dream, but it sounds like you were in an airport, so you were conscious at the time, right?

[Denise Damijo: It was three different events. It was two different dreams. One with a bird man in a boat in the sky, with a staff that pointed to me and said, ‘you’re a shaman.’ And I was just, in that dream, I was like, is his head a bird? So I was more interested in that than what he was actually telling me. But then another dream was with a lady, and she was Native American -looking and she had electricity all around her and she threw me a staff and said, ‘you are a shaman. ‘And I threw it back at her and I said, ‘no, I’m not.’

Johnny Burke: No I’m not

Denise Damijo: No I’m not. And then she said, ‘from one shaman to the next, you’re a shaman.’ It just so happened that when that dream came about, I actually recognized the energy. Yeah. And even though it didn’t look like the person that I knew; I knew it was that person. So I went and talked to her, and she said, “yeah, yeah, well, usually when I’m dealing with my clients, I usually send them lightning bolts.” And I was like, oh my goodness. So, the lightning that I saw around her. And then her telling me that post, you know, dream. It was like, oh, okay. So, the airport was the final thing that made me say, I need to look this up.

Johnny Burke: You were awake at this time, right?

Denise Damijo: Yes, I was actually awake and that’s what, kind of like really not scared me, but I was like, shocked me the most is I think I saw a janitor, one janitor, but nobody pretty much was there. And I’m hearing all of this cheering and clapping and you’re a shaman, shaman coming through. And I’m like, I’m looking around like, where, what is this exactly?

Johnny Burke: It sounds like a scene from a Stephen King movie.

I noticed a lot of people that have intuitive abilities, and sensibilities, they tend to have these kinds of experiences very early on in childhood. So as a kid, were you able to see spirits or did you have any kind of psychic or paranormal events, or not necessarily.

Denise Damijo: I wasn’t able to see spirits. And actually, really early on, decided, I asked, God, everything else is good, but I don’t want to see spirits. And this was actually, I asked him that, after I started to hear the voice. So like one day I was sitting in my father’s forum of his condominium, and I was playing, I believe with a train or something like that, and all of a sudden, you know, I heard a voice, and it says, ‘Denise, you’re special, you’re my daughter. ‘And I’m like, and I’m so happy and excited. I’m not, you know, scared or anything. And I’m like, really? I am? Does that mean Jesus is my brother? And he’s like, ‘yeah, something like that, you have special gifts. ‘And I was like, really? Like Aladdin The Genie? because that’s the movie that I was watching. So, it was so interesting that he came down to my level of understanding and was talking to me. I wasn’t afraid. I didn’t even tell anybody about this until I got older, but yeah, he was like, you know, He was just really, personal with me.

From there that’s when I kind of like, I don’t even know how I started making agreements, but yeah, I’ve made agreements throughout my life. Like, it’s okay for me to hear these voices and everything else, but I don’t want to see it because I saw the Sixth Sense and after seeing the Sixth Sense, I said, no, I don’t want to have that experience. And it didn’t, it hasn’t happened.

Johnny Burke: Okay. And you were how old when this happened?

Denise Damijo: I was five when that happened.

Johnny Burke: Okay. You mentioned him, do you have any inkling of who this was? could that have been a spirit guide or something of that nature?

Denise Damijo: I don’t have, to my knowledge, male spirit guides, although I did at one point in time, I did ask that question. I don’t know if they were my spirit guide or a guardian that showed up and they had a deep voice and everything else, and they just said a couple of words and then laughed, and I never heard from them again. And so, I don’t know. I always say that that was God, like the introduction to the spiritual world was God.

Johnny Burke: All right, so you never really had male spirit guides, which means you were obviously cognizant of spirit guides in the first place. Did you have female spirit guides or were these entities more of the shamanistic, type of being?

Denise Damijo: Okay, so let me just say this. I didn’t even know that they were spirit guides. I have no idea what they were. I just knew that they were there, and I didn’t even know that there were more than one. And over the years, as I got older and as I started to connect with other people, because I thought I was only one, I didn’t know that there was multiple people out there having these experiences. Like I said, I never really talked about it with anybody until I got in my, I think thirties.

Well, actually no, I take that back, twenties. That being said, there may be a difference in between the spirit guides when you’re talking about shamanistic spirit guides and other spirit guides. And the reason being is because of the assignments that we have to do in these lives. And so we need particular spirit guides in order to guide us. my main spirit guide is a woman, a female, feminine energy

Johnny Burke: Okay. You just mentioned assignments, which sounds very much like a soul assignment or a soul agreement. Did you make those agreements in this life? The reason I bring that up is because this often comes up when someone has past life memories and memories of the place where we go in between incarnations. Do you have any experience in that area?

Denise Damijo: No, I don’t recall the actual agreement that I’ve made, prior to, but the assignment is clear and evident throughout my whole life, even before I even understood or knew what an assignment was. I have broken contractual agreements that I have made in the past before I even got into this life.

And how I did that was it was simple. It’s not a complicated ceremony. It’s just really just saying what you do and do not want, and really knowing how to say it and do it, and then honoring that and believing that it’s going to occur.

Johnny Burke: In other words, you might’ve made an agreement, for this life. this incarnation, but you say you can change it?

Denise Damijo: Yes. Let me give you a prime example. So I had an agreement that I was supposed to experience this life with another human being. Well, that human being I decided on was not somebody that I wanted to experience life with. I was actually in a ceremony at that particular time, and in the ceremony,

I just said, if this is the way that it’s going to be, and, and I’m going to continue to have these experiences that I am not comfortable with, that I don’t like, let’s end it now. I don’t want to have this experience, let’s hemorrhage the ties, cut the ties and move forward without this individual. And ever since then, what is it called? Fire Flames.

Johnny Burke: Twin flames?

Denise Damijo: Twin Flames. Yes. I’m sorry. Twin flames. And, how you’ll never lose the connection and how this was supposed to be, my twin flame, we experienced so many lives together and everything else. Well after I’ve been free, and so, it is possible, and that’s just one occurrence where I did say that and do there’s been others where I’ve also cut the ties, and broke contracts that I had as well.

Johnny Burke: So when you break a contract, I know this is not the easiest question in the world to, to ask, but, with a broken contract, what kind of karmic implications might that have? I’ve been told many, many times that sometimes the assignments that we have for a particular life are not supposed to be pleasant because there’s an objective for either that person or the group to learn something from it. Do you have any insight into that?

Denise Damijo: That’s a good question. What the karmic debt would be, I’m not too concerned about that. And the reason being is because the karmic debt that I have is appeasing and I know that is going to help me to live a happy and a good quality life outweighs the other. And so, me personally I’ve been going back and forth in this, in the last couple of just months. I was like, do I really want to come back to this life or do I not? I think I want to just be an ascended master and be somebody’s spirit guide or, or guardian or something and I was like, I don’t even want to be a spirit guide. I think I want to be a guardian. I think the spirit guides have it bad sometimes, they got their work cut out for them. And so, I’m still contemplating what I desire to have happen. And, when you’re talking about if it’s going to bring because of your severing ties, or breaking contracts, is it going to be replaced with the negative? I personally don’t think so. I personally think that the choice is ours. It’s just, did I get the lesson that I needed to learn, prior to severing the contract? And I believe I did.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So that would answer that question then because I think the objective as far as I’ve been told, the most important thing is the lesson, but then others would kind of deviate from that track or that line of thought. And they would say, there is no good and bad. It’s all experience. And one incident or one instance, which kind of sticks out as when someone told me you can experience being the aggressor, but it’s also just as important to experience what it’s like to be the victim.

You see the positive and the negative, the light and the dark. So there are those that will say, well, the lesson’s not so important, as long as you get many different types of experiences. Do you have any insight into that as well?

Denise Damijo: Yes. I don’t really truthfully believe that there is a good and bad. I was just having this conversation again yesterday, last night. We have no understanding to everything that occurs in this life and why it occurs. And so with our limited understanding, we have to realize how important it is to have balance in the world. And so this balance in the world, there’s sea, there’s water, there’s land, there’s sun the day and there’s night. There are women and there’s men. Feminine energy. Masculine energy. There is a balance. And so that’s the distinction when you’re talking about good and bad. They both have very important roles that need to be played in each individual’s life.

Johnny Burke: So it sounds like what you just described is the 3 D world we live in, which is also described as the world of duality. Right? Right. Okay. Let’s talk about some of your experiences with shamanism. I believe you’ve had some with indigenous peoples; Indigenous tribes. Right?

Denise Damijo: Yes, yes. when I went down the rabbit hole and I started to like, get involved in shamanism even more, I sat with a couple of tribes, one, Shipibo, tribe and. being the Kuan tribe. I actually sat with Apge, there for like three weeks and her children and they always said, we’re shamans in training.
I feel like, even though I say that I’m a shaman, I’m always going to be in training until the day I die. There’s no arrival. And that’s a wonderful experience that I know that it’s truth, there’s no arrival. We’re always consistently learning and observing and growing and ascending.

And so I sat with them, and I actually learned, later on, those people are actually my guardians. And this was a contractual agreement that had happened like many, generations ago.

Johnny Burke: Many moons.

Denise Damijo: Yes. And so it was very interesting because, when I did a guided meditation and first met my spirit guide for the first time many years ago, and I met my guardians, and it was exactly those same people. And I even asked about that, and they said, well, no, if you heard that, you need to go check into that. And so, but I never did until I saw them again and I was like, that was them.
I also sat with the Kero tribe. So that’s those tribe that I’m initiated in, an energy healing tribe. And they don’t even call themselves shamans, but that’s, if you look at what they are and what they do, that’s who they are. They’re shamans but they do energy healing. And I’ve been doing energy healing and I didn’t know what it was since 2006. And so when I got initiated into the tribe, I was already a reiki master and it instantaneously clicked like, oh, this is my people, this is the energy healing is my shamanic gift, like the one of the biggest.

Johnny Burke: Well, the energy healing, I was told it’s not only just a component of shamanism, but it also seems to be an entry point for many Intuitives, whatever the experience is. for instance, there’s a woman that I interviewed recently and, through meditation she discovered energy healing somehow through energy healing and the combination of the two, then she discovered her past lives, and she was also able to, have contact with people that have passed on. Now, do you see the same thing in your work that the energy healing is kind of like a flashpoint for someone to discover their intuitive abilities or gifts?

Denise Damijo: Now if it’s coming from the individual person practicing energy healing? Possibly because it’s the ability they’re using, to really, use energy to heal themselves, and then also energy for so many different things. See, I’m an energy healer as well as an energy transmitter. And so, I’m highly skilled at transmuting energy. A lot of times when people get it, whatever that energy is, if it’s not appeasing energy, like if it’s not the energy that they want, they don’t know what to do with it. And if they do something with it, they don’t transmute it. They maybe cast it away and the energy goes somewhere else and creates havoc somewhere else. And so with me it’s more so knowing how to transmute it. If a person has started to do or deal with energy healing and they know what they’re doing, and they didn’t just go through some kind of a bogus class they really do have the opportunity to open different doors that may have been closed to them.

Johnny Burke: Okay. So transmuting energy issomething I don’t hear a lot about, I guess the concept is probably easier than the actual work, but would that be basically transforming negative or dark energy into something positive and useful, or is it a matter of taking negative energy and putting that into like a psychic waste disposal?

Denise Damijo: So it’s basically transforming energy into something that is more so needed in that experience. And it’s a way of controlling the energy that is different from just energy healing. And so I think a, a good energy healer is also a transmuter as well. I’m not going to say that you have to be a transmuter in order to be a good energy healer, but I will say that I think a good energy healer also is a transmuter. And so, you can even have animals that are transmuters. I have a friend that has a cat that, in different ceremonies, the cat sits there, and they transmute the energy during the ceremonies .Another thing that I have experienced in transmuting energy is you could do it in different ways in music. I’m a singer, and not even just a singer, I have downloaded a song that’s in a totally different language. And not only am I singing it in a different language, but I’m also singing it in different pitches, specifically for the transmutation to occur.

Johnny Burke: So, in other words, you’re not singing in 440hz it’s like 432 or something different?

Denise Damijo: the thing is, the same words, the same songs depend upon how the pitch that I’m singing them in, and then the order of the words that I’m putting them in, it creates a totally different meaning. It could mean one thing in the ceremony and then it could mean a totally different thing, and I’m doing something different in the next. But the same words that I’m using, just different pictures and different expressions.

Johnny Burke: What you said about animals is really interesting. And it would at least partially explain why so many people have pets. Do you think that it’s possible that many of our domestic pets, cats, dogs, they basically also transmute energy for us without us even knowing about it?

Denise Damijo: I would agree with that. I feel like there are particular animals out there that help with that. And so, like for instance, I had, it’s been like seven weeks, and I had basically open-heart surgery. It’s not actually called that, but they did when go in and open up my chest and my sternum and everything else. And, put my heart and lungs on a bypass and had to do some things in there.

All of a sudden, I was like, I want a cat. I have no idea where that came from. it just came to me. That I need a cat, and this is why it’s very important to do integrative wellness, and medicine is because I was blocked in an area and, it needed to be unblocked by conventional medicine, which was the surgery. And so once that happened, now the healing process has begun. I already see ways that I was blocked spiritually and in different departments of my life or compartments of my life, that it’s now, flowing smoothly. And so now the cat energy and also you have to go look at it as far as like, with Isis with the Egyptians, because that’s where my connection is highly in the Egyptian realm
is coming in and saying, we need to come in for this next stage of your life.

I’m also a Jaguar. That’s my representation. And even in ceremonies, when I’m sitting in ceremonies, I’m on the side of the Jaguar side, every single ceremony. And I realized I’m always on the side of the Jaguar, but that’s who I am, you know? And so it just goes. It went.

Johnny Burke: So the Jaguar has the strongest bite of all the big cats. That might be part of the attraction. You mentioned the Egyptians a moment ago, did some kind of entity or someone representing the Egyptian realm come through in a way? or how did you discover that?

Denise Damijo: So many years ago, I took like a class, and this is when I first was going down the road of., experiencing different things other than Christianity because, I’ve seen too much that is not explained or explored in Christianity, and you can’t unsee that. and nobody wants to talk about it. It’s demonic. And so I wanted to know more. so I took this class and as I was taking this class, one of the things was, go meet your spirit guides.

So I’m meeting my spirit guides and here she comes and she’s like, I feel her wings, I feel the wind on her wings. It’s a bright, like gold light that’s coming in. And, and then she, just hands me a little small world and closes my hand and it says the world is mine. And I already knew as soon as she flew in. Isis.

What’s so interesting about this is that when I know these things, like for instance, I would point out somebody and I’m like, ‘that’s a healer.’ And I’m like, where do these words come from? because I don’t even know what they mean, like, Yeah, I don’t even know, like, where did I get this information from?

And so, after she, closed my hand on the world and she flies off and everything else, and I go back into class and that’s the same time I met my guardians and everything else, and I’m telling them about my experiences. and then people in the class were like, well, all I saw was a purple blob. My experience is totally different from a lot of other people’s experiences,

Johnny Burke: You mentioned something, a moment ago about Christianity. I’m going to go out in a limb here. this is another tough question, but it does come up when we talk about Christianity and shamanism, apparently there are gnostic gospels, I believe it’s four of them, that speak of, secret teachings of Jesus and how they’re similar to shamanic practices. Has your experience given you any insight into that?

Denise Damijo: I am glad that you asked that. And also, God, I’m getting emotional about it because, I feel like that Jesus has been so misrepresented.

Johnny Burke: Mm-hmm…..

Denise Damijo: The way that I look at Jesus, Yeshua is that he is one of the baddest shamans that ever walked this earth. He himself is a shaman. And how I also look at him, and I was just having this conversation this yesterday, I’m glad that we’re having it today, you know, this podcast because a lot of stuff is fresh on my mind. Everybody puts him as he is a person. He did come in the flesh form because he needed to. Right? he’s also, it’s a what? What is he? And the reason why it says that you can’t get to the father, which is God, without going through the sun, is because Jesus, Yeshua, he represents healing. that’s his whole thing is healing.

For you to get to God and really see God for who he is and also what this world is and why it is, you have to go through healing, which is him. And once you go through that, it’s almost like the veil is able to be lifted from your eyes, the filters removed, and you’re able to see things more clearly.

Johnny Burke: The reason I brought that up, and I’m glad I did, because apparently this has been on your mind as well. in episode number 115 a woman named Betty Kovacs. We’ve done actually a couple episodes and, one of the first things she brought up is that there’s evidence that the church has suppressed our mystic and shamanic past, for centuries. One of the other things she brought up is I believe this goes back to Egypt, speaking of which, in the fourth century, there were the Nag Hammadi texts, right, which long story made short,
Jesus was represented as saying, don’t worship me, become me. What happened was the officers of the church went to all these encampments at Nag Hammadi and s told these people ‘Either you destroy every single one of these texts or you face either excommunication or execution. ‘They did not destroy them. They buried them and they were discovered, about the same time as the Dead Sea Scrolls, I believe, right after World War II. Betty’s point, and it was a very good one, was the church basically inverted the myth and taught us to worship a God outside us when it’s actually within us. Your thoughts on that?

Denise Damijo: I completely agree. I completely agree. Because that’s what you see in Christianity. It’s like, the blood of Jesus and all these things. And you have to also ask yourself, why does it seem like the spiritual giftings came before Christianity. They were here before Christianity.

Johnny Burke: Way before Christianity

Denise Damijo: Exactly. They help to make it powerful. But as far as the power doesn’t lie in worshiping Jesus as a, a being, The power lies just like, you said is in becoming him and entering into that healing. And once you get healed, you start to see who, first of all, who you really are. And why you are. And then you start to see other people and, and have an appreciation and respect, for their role in this life as well.

Johnny Burke: and another thing that comes to mind, that I am read about the Mormons, at about the same time I discovered all this years ago. Apparently, the Mormons believed that a mortal man could become God or a God. So it’s not like this idea is completely novel, but when you really look at the entire history, it makes a lot of sense. Shamanism, as far as we know, is at least, what, 30, 40,000 years old?

Denise Damijo: Yes,

Johnny Burke: It goes back quite a ways, now since we’re talking about Christianity and Jesus and healing, the Healers Realm podcast, what can we expect from that and what are the things that might come up?

Denise Damijo: One of the things that inspired me to create the Healers Realm podcast is because when I was going down my journey of discovering the spiritual side of things and shamanism, I created the podcast and had people on there to share their experience, how to protect themselves, what to look for, what questions to ask, before participating in any kind of ceremonies and things of that nature. It took off from there because I wanted to explore other things like, spiritual giftings that I have.

I don’t consider myself a psychic. I consider myself a seer. So I had a person come on there and we discussed that and I wanted a place where people could go and get information. What’s going to be coming, up is really interesting, is I want to be able to kind of like integrate, the spiritual side of things where people could really get the tools that they need in order to have the best healthy experience in a holistic way, experience that they could have. In 2023, it’s more of a progressive thing that we need to try to integrate. We come from different bloodlines and our bloodlines are calling out for different things, that is needed within our bodies and to survive and also in our spiritual journeys.

Johnny Burke: Now you just mentioned being a seer, which I meant to bring up, a bit earlier. You’re a seer, but you’re not a psychic. I always was under the impression that a seer is either psychic and or a medium. So how is that different for you?

Denise Damijo: This is how I got to the point of knowing or feeling like they were different. I never connected with the word psychic. I was told in a ceremony that I was a seer and I came from a line of seers and I was even shown the seer that, saw me and started to get things in motion to protect me and to give me, tools that I needed and also contractual agreements and stuff like that for me so anyway, how I see being a seer is I’ve come in contact with so many different psychics and I really was studying them. The thing that I see is integrity, number one, there’s a lot of psychics that have it, but there are a lot that are out there, that are on full display that don’t.

Johnny Burke: That don’t have the training, in other words. I think it’s important, if I can bring this up really quickly. A man named Robert Ginsberg,

I believe he is the founder of the Forever Family Foundation. He was featured on Netflix series, Surviving Death. He wrote a book called The Medium Explosion. Apparently, it’s a handbook for people that are starting to explore mediums because his whole theory is that the bulk of the mediums out there, even though they might mean well, don’t have enough training. And I think that applies to not just mediums, but other practitioners like shamans and energy healers and the like. Would you agree?

Denise Damijo: Oh, I totally agree. And some people, especially in the shamanic community, they first discovered shamanism a year ago, sat in a couple of, ceremonies, and now they’re a shaman. You need to have formal training. Now, mind you, I started to really go down the rabbit hill of Shamanism in 2020. However, I’ve been living my whole life like this. I just did not know what it was called. I was transmuting energy. I have been a energy healer since 2006. I’ve been seeing spirits and communicating with spirits since I was five. These are things that I’ve done and now I just have a name for it and a place for it in this particular community. But this is who I’ve been all my life. whereas people just woke up one day, saw a shaman and sat in a couple ceremonies and now all of a sudden they’re a shaman. I think that’s very disrespectful. You have introduced me as a shaman, I’m still in training, and I’ll be in training all my life. And I feel like something similar needs to happen within these people that are becoming practitioners, There’s a lot of psychics out there that may possibly don’t have the training that is necessary. But I also think that it’s an integrity thing. With me being a seer, the biggest difference that I see is I can tell anybody and everybody something and dissect their whole story and tell them the future and everything else. If that’s not the case, I’m not going to put myself out there and exploit my gifts like that.

Johnny Burke: It is true of mediums also, and I think it’s a measure of your integrity when you can basically say,’ this isn’t happening.’ And I can understand why that might give someone a bad review, but at least there’s, organizations like, Forever Family Foundation certifying mediums and promoting awareness of what the sitters, the people that seek out the mediums, what they should look for and what they should avoid. I would imagine you’re doing something with The Healer’s Realm podcast as well, which I think we all need.

We hear a lot about three D, five D and raising our vibration and Ascension. How does your work, with Shamanism and your podcast actually figure into that?

[Denise Damijo: That’s a good question. I do feel like Yeshua came back. He’s already here. Like people are saying when Jesus comes back, because they’re looking for all these things to happen and everything, and he’s already back. And so it is the healer season. And that’s why I’m here in such a time as this. it wasn’t by coincidence; it wasn’t by chance. I’m a two 11 and when you’re talking about life paths, you know, two is for healing and 11 is master. So I’m a master of healing and I’m also a jaguar. I’m also a seer and I’m also a shaman because I was needed in such a time as this. Raising the elevation, people have been born in this timeframe specifically to do that. After I had my surgery, I had a dream and that was the first vivid dream that I had in a while.

And when I say vivid, they could touch you and you could touch them. The experience is so real and when you don’t have breath, there’s something wrong. And that’s what was happening to me. They had to repair that so that I could have that flow. But I also saw a huge body it was like, have you ever seen a building is getting fixed and they have these different things for people to work on?

: So that’s what was on the body is these different like levels and they were working on this part of the body and that part of the body. And that’s what’s happening right now in this life. That a particular part of the body is being worked on, is being healed, is being fixed so that it can operate and conduct what it needs to conduct, and it’s very interesting because that’s who I come in contact with, is people that are on that same journey, that are doing those similar things or things that both of us could be connected to and help so that we could all raise the vibration. It’s not just a me thing, it’s a we thing, it’s a we experience and once we get that, once we understand that then we could have and make this experience a better experience. But we have to learn that this is not oh, an individual thing. but.

Johnny Burke: Very well done.

Denise Damijo: Yeah, but That’s what we are. We have to work together as a team. And even if it’s just, in passing, you do something one time and there’s a connection. That’s the connection that you needed to go to the next level. That’s how we’re working now.

Johnny Burke: I did want to ask a question about, you mentioned that you are a two 11, but I have a feeling that that’s going to open up another kettle of fish. So, I will say, thanks for coming onto the show. I do believe there’s going to be a part two.

Denise Damijo: Oh, yes, I would love to.

Johnny Burke: To be continued. Denise, again, thanks very much for coming on today. How can our listeners learn more about you in the meantime?

[00:35:26] Denise Damijo: Yes. Okay. So you could, find me underscore the @_thehealer’s realm on Instagram.if you want to write me, go to theshamanicgroup.com, or send me an email at tranquility@theshamonicgroup.com.

#108 Atousa Raissyan: Shamanism and Energy Healing

February 11, 2023 by Johnny Burke

Shamanism

#energyhealing, #generationalhealing, #poweranimals, #shadowwork, #shaman, #shamanism, #soulretrieval, #spiritguides

Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Atousa Raissyan. She is a shaman, a healer and life coach. She helps her clients to release the past and reconnect through different healing modalities to help realign with universal energy and source. Atousa, welcome to the program.

Atoussa Raissyan: Thank you for having me. John’s here to be.

Johnny Burke: I noticed that shamans and healers tend to go hand in hand. did the energy healing come first or was the shaman element first?

Atoussa Raissyan: energy healing was definitely, long before the shamanic practices. I got my certification. In energy healing back in 2003. I became a master energy healer. But then shamanic came much after. But the interesting part is, by the time that I actually really went and pursued a shaman to guide me and teach me, I found out that all those things that he was teaching me, I already somehow knew and was practicing it. So it just helped me dive a little bit deeper into those practices that I had already developed or had received.

Johnny Burke: Kind of like taking algebra one before you take Algebra two, something like that.

Atoussa Raissyan: it is because we’re all energy. Everything around us is energy, nature, and there’s a communication that we’re not conscious of that happens energetically. You know, most people, they say when they walk in a room or when they go to a store, they feel a certain way and they don’t know. That’s the energy you’re picking up on the energy of that environment, energy of the people that they’re feeling in that store. So we’re just not conscious and aware of it most of the time. But when you connect to that on a conscious level and start to feel, and even at times see that energy, then you can use it for this type of work, you can use it for your own healing. But yes, definitely there’s an aspect that you gotta be able to work with energy and feel energy before you can start down this path.

Johnny Burke: I’ve noticed that energy healing, which I think has been around for a long time, shamanism, definitely a very long time. Why do you suppose it’s become more popular, say in the last 10 years or so?

Atoussa Raissyan: I believe most people have been trying traditional methods of trying to feel better. In terms of talk therapy, their medication, everything else that they’ve tried, it’s not working, they’re not feeling happier, they’re not being able to get in touch with themselves. They’re finding, okay, I’ve done all these things for years now. How can I do something else that helps me? And they come back to plant medicine, energy healing, shamanism, even different meditation modalities, Tai Chi, and other types of work that’s going to help them because what’s been there traditionally has stopped working for the majority of people.

Johnny Burke: Do you find that in some cases in your work, where you’ve actually helped solve issues for one of your clients that traditional therapy could not?

Atoussa Raissyan: The majority of my clients, I would say probably 95 to 98% of my clients have, had traditional therapy before for years, even some of them. Some of them even their therapists have recommended to come and see me. So I’m getting work from therapists themselves and they all have seen the difference. They all made changes that they couldn’t do with traditional therapy. I think that’s partly because talk therapy works more on the mental, and emotional body, whereas this type of work is working on the energy body, physical body, emotional body, and mental body. So it’s all of it together.

Johnny Burke: Okay. Can you give us an example of how that actually works?

If someone were to come to see you and say, ” I’ve got this issue. I’ve been to talk therapy for years, and I feel like I’m not getting anywhere.

Atoussa Raissyan: The first session, normally when I start with a client that comes for what I call life transformation past trauma release is the first session I go back, look at their life- this lifetime and find out what are the ages that some of these triggers have started, what are some of the things that perhaps have been passed down from mom or dad? And I gather all this information, what emotions are there storing? And then once I get. on the first session. Then the sessions after that, we go deeper into those areas. We connect with those ages and that’s part of the shadow work. Everybody has different terminology, but I think most people were familiar with shadow work. It’s not truly inner child work because this is a little bit different, but I’ve already connected to those ages and then I try to connect the client to those ages as well, and we sort of go and give that part the freedom to speak, give them their powers, give them perspective, then once that age uplifts and feels better, then that translates into the now, and I usually give them practices as well to help reprogram those patterns that have been there. So it’s different approaches at the same time to go uproot what’s been there for many years in most cases.

Johnny Burke: You mentioned this life. When you talk about releasing the past, have you ever found yourself in a situation where you, you’ve gone into a client’s life other than the current one?

Atoussa Raissyan: For my clients, I don’t, and there’s a reason I’ve done it just for myself personally. That part just came. But for my clients, I try to stay in this lifetime because I believe the past lives, you’ve already carried some of that into this life. Whatever’s meant to be carried, you’ve carried it into this lifetime. So you are sort of working that out anyway. With clients, I feel like if I bring the past life because I do a lot of generational work with them as well, it just confuses them, but the work is being done anyway, so it’s not something that we have to go to the past life. I think if we just stick with this lifetime and do the generational healing, what I’ve seen is the client can get into a better state.

Johnny Burke: So generational healing. Does that refer to ancestors or to family members that are still alive?

Atoussa Raissyan: No, it’s definitely ancestral, healing that goes back. Sometimes it’s on mom’s side, sometimes it’s dad, and sometimes there are things that have been passed down. Science tells us that blood pressure, heart disease, all those illnesses, physical illnesses, they have been passed down, the majority have been passed down from generation to generation. All those illnesses, physical illnesses, have their roots in emotional trauma and mental emotional issues that have been experienced by those generations. So that’s another way to look at it, that just like those physical illnesses that have been passed down, this trauma has passed down as well.

Johnny Burke: When you say generational healing or ancestral healing, it sounds like you’re actually pulling it into this life and examining it in the context of this current life, right?

Atoussa Raissyan: Correct

Johnny Burke: Energy healing and shamanism, I often hear about them usually in the same talk. What are the similarities and what are the differences?

Atoussa Raissyan: energy healing, the way I like to explain it is just a small portion of shamanic healing. shamanic healing is so much more than just energy healing. There is ancestral generational work that you do Sometimes, there is work that needs to be done. Space cleansing, even land cleansing. There’s soul retrieval. there’s a lot more that goes into shamanic healing practice than just energy healing. There’s, power animal retrieval. I do that a lot with my clients as I’m working with them when it’s needed for them to have that extra support that they need during our

Johnny Burke: Soul retrieval. Can you tell us what that means to you in your work?

Atoussa Raissyan: Depending on when or how much trauma you’ve experienced, what you tend to do, the way I like to explain is that, think about it, that you’ve been so hurt, that you’ve taken parts of yourself and you’re hiding them so that you can sort of easily handle the trauma that you’re experiencing or sort of disconnect that you’re not experiencing that massive trauma. It can be at different ages that you sort of go hide these parts or take these parts, or it can be at a particular age and sometimes it happens even in the womb that you are, taking that part out So with some of the shamanic practices, depending on what the client needs, part of that work is gathering all that what you’ve hidden away, what you’ve given away, and bring it back to the person so that they fully feel their own power and presence essence.

Johnny Burke: Might that be like finding displaced energy or lost energy, or not really?

Atoussa Raissyan: Similar. Yes, similar.

Johnny Burke: so in other words, I think it did a pretty good job of demystifying that because I think when some people hear the term soul retrieval, they might think in terms of what does this person need? Or an exorcism or are they driving out demons? you can see where they can make that association though, right?

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes. that’s why I like to simplify everything and bring it into a term that they can see easier. When you think about it in terms of experiencing trauma, if you look at it emotionally therapists use this terminology that you pack whatever you’ve experienced, you pack it in the boxes as you sort of forget about it. This is similar in a way, but in terms of a big part of yourself, you’re locking it away and keeping it safe somewhere else.

Johnny Burke: So it is kind of like finding that box that might be up in the attic- like finding an old jacket that you really liked, but you, you thought you lost it and you think, oh, this is great. I found it, right? when we talk about shamanism, it typically leads to a discussion about spirit guides and other beings in the spirit world. Do you see any of that, or maybe all of that in your work?

Atoussa Raissyan: A lot of my work is done through guidance with my spirit guides and getting that guidance in terms of what I need to do for a client, whether it’s power animals or spirit guides. A lot of times too with the clients, as I mentioned earlier, I have to go get their power animals and get them in touch with that so that they can work with that spirit in feeling better. So yeah, definitely. There’s also the terminology of lost souls that we work with. Lost souls tend to be people that for whatever reason when they passed on, their energy stayed. It didn’t move on. It didn’t move forward. And helping them find that path and, helping them sort of release and move into the light.

Johnny Burke: Is a lost soul the same thing as an earthbound ghost, or are they separate entities?

Atoussa Raissyan: I cannot talk to Earthbound ghost. I like to use the terminology lost souls, where there is just a person that has left the physical body but Has not transitioned.

Johnny Burke: Has not moved on

Atoussa Raissyan: Transitioned. Yeah.

Johnny Burke: Okay. It’s hard to really get a consensus on all these things because none of them are really tangible. I’ve heard people talk about, those ghosts or entities, as you just described lost souls. They have not moved on yet. So have you ever had visitations by spirit? it wasn’t residual energy it actually had an intelligence. Has that ever happened to you or any of your clients?

Atoussa Raissyan: during some of my client work, I don’t go look for them, but if there is a presence, for example, their grandmother that I feel that is still there, for sure I communicate and if there is a message I bring about, but unless it’s helpful to my client, I sort of keep everybody out of it.

Johnny Burke: Right.

Atoussa Raissyan: if that makes sense.

Johnny Burke: I think it does because I know of one example, a friend of my sisters was having, a reading with a medium and she was trying to connect with, I guess whoever was going to come through. And there were several people that were , if you can imagine ,raising their hand like, call on me, call on me. . Do you find that kind of thing in your work as well?

Atoussa Raissyan: I do the work so that I pretty much put the space sort of on lockdown so that only what is necessary can come through if that makes sense. So rarely do I get anybody, and when I do, it’s needed for the work I’m doing. Either I’m ignoring them or the energy that I’ve put into the space so that they stay out is working.

Johnny Burke: So I think I’m trying to draw the similarities between this and mediumship because what’s the difference between a soul that’s not moved on and someone that comes through during either a medium reading or a shamanic journey or even during an energy healing? Isn’t that true?

Atoussa Raissyan: So the ones that I work with, even when they come for a particular client, it is a lost soul type situation.

Johnny Burke: Okay. There’s no real absolute with this thing because it’s very hard to get a consensus on the difference between an apparition, residual energy and, a spirit actually visiting, but who is not lost?

Atoussa Raissyan: Correct? Correct. In my work, I only deal with that portion.

Johnny Burke: So any other types of beings other than spirit guides and other spirits that come through sometimes?

Atoussa Raissyan: My work is mainly spirit guides, and power animals I work with a lot, so the spirit of those animals and the lost souls that, I mentioned. Other than that, I don’t work with other beings for the work I do with the clients.

Johnny Burke: Power animals. How do we actually explain that in a way where it doesn’t seem like it’s fiction or fantasy? We know the spirit world is real.

Atoussa Raissyan: If you think of everything as energy, I think things become much simpler to understand and connect with. And power animals are the same thing.
During your lifetime specific times you’re going through a situation, it’s sort of that extra guidance that you need to get in touch with yourself and feel that particular power inside of you. That is what a power animal helps you with.

For example, a client may come and they’ve, throughout their lifetime, they’ve had really difficulty speaking up for themselves. I might go and do a journey and maybe the power animal can be a parakeet or maybe it’s a lion because that’s what they need to express their voice and be able to speak up for themselves. So different power animals, different powers you get. For a client, I tend to go get their power animals so that they can go ahead and heal, that they connect with it. There’s different meditations I give them, but a lot of people themselves through meditation, and dreams, say they saw an animal come to their aid or an animal was walking with them. Or even in real life, sometimes you’re sitting there or walking in nature, there’s a particular animal that comes and sort of on your path or keeps moving in your path. Those are the times that they have messages for you. You connect with it- you see a squirrel, and the squirrel is not going to physically talk to you, but if you connect energetically, you get the essence of the message it’s trying to tell you.

Johnny Burke: what do the Akashic records have to do with all this? It seems like there’s some kind of connectivity, shamanism, past lives, and the akashic records. Does that play into your work or not really?

Atoussa Raissyan: I don’t do too much of the past lives. There’s a reason for that because most people when you go into that, lose the work that’s needed for this lifetime. I notice if I just bring it into the present moment, into what’s happening in their life now, it’s easier to get them to see things better. It’s easier to get them to release and heal, and also teaching them to stay in the present moment and stay in the now. But if you go bring that sort of like, a queen last time, what does that mean in this lifetime? Am I still a queen? Did I do something? So it brings too many questions and too many ifs and whys and takes away from the healing that they need in this particular moment.

Johnny Burke: The akashic records is not really something you would use in your work?

That’s what I was trying to figure out. Okay. What about male and female energies? how does that come into play with what you do with your clients?

Atoussa Raissyan: that’s a big part of the work I do. No matter what gender you’re born with or what gender you identify with, each one of us carries the male and female energies, and male and female energies are in everything. So if that energy right now, actually I feel a lot of what’s happening in our world is because of that imbalance. If in each of us, we try to balance those two energies, that has an impact on not just our life, but those around us and the world that we’re living in. So yes, definitely, that’s a big part of the work I do.

Johnny Burke: Do you think that balancing the female with the male energy- do you think we ever had that as a civilization? and if so, are we moving towards that again or not necessarily?

Atoussa Raissyan: civilization? Perhaps not, but maybe a pre-civilized world. Yes.

Johnny Burke: way, way, way back,

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes, yes.

Johnny Burke: maybe 10,000 years or more. Before recorded time. I bring that up because people talk about 5G frequency and there was a time in ancient civilizations when telepathy was normal. Everyone was psychic. This coincides with and confirms the claim that everyone has these abilities. You just have to work on it. Some people have them a little bit closer to the surface than others, but it’s latent, which again implies that we had them long, long ago.

I bring up the male and female energy because people talk about the divine feminine and the divine male, and it’s about achieving a balance.

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes, yes.

Johnny Burke: All right, good. Anything else that you would like our listeners to know about or what they should know about?

Atoussa Raissyan: I would love for people to just start, connecting with themselves and becoming aware of their triggers their emotions. Once you become aware of yourself, aware of your energy, you can also start connecting with the world around you through that energy as well. One of the biggest energies to connect to is nature, which helps in your healing journey. Whether you go sit outside, go for walks, go for hikes, just connect with that energy that’s out there, the energy of the wind, the sun, the moon, all of that, can help you with your healing. Just become aware of your own energy your own triggers and start your healing journey wherever you’re at.

Johnny Burke: Everything is energy.

Atoussa Raissyan: Yes.

Johnny Burke: And I’ve heard that I don’t know how many times, that makes sense for me. Atousa, thanks for coming on to the show today. How can our listeners find you online?

Atoussa Raissyan: Thank you so much. You can find me on my website, which is https://www.atousaraissyan.com.