#190 Barbara With: Channeling Einstein and The Science of Compassion
Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, and today’s guest is Barbara With. She is a peace activist, author, musician, and psychic channel. Her work involves channeling angelic peacemakers from beyond the grave, one of which is known for the theory of relativity. In this episode, we’ll discuss what happens after we die and go into the non-physical. And how the living can use our powers to help advance world peace. Barbara, welcome to the program.
Barbara With: Thanks for having me, Johnny.
Johnny Burke: Very lofty goals. I like that. So, first of all, when did you first know that you were psychic?
Barbara With: I first started to actually channel in 1987, so I was in my early thirties, and it came in the form of sort of spontaneous automatic writing. Knew what channeling was. I was a fan of Shirley McLaine and Seth and all that. Had some psychic greetings of my own, so, but I was still surprised that I could do it.
Johnny Burke: You know what? I actually forgot about Shirley McClain. Back then I thought, oh, that’s kind of cool. Shirley McLaine talks about this and my friends, none of us really took it seriously. But she was actually doing that, wasn’t she?
Barbara With: She was very much a pioneer actually in bringing out these ideas into the mainstream and not being afraid to show, a channel I think in Out On A Limb. She made a movie. She actually has the channel, his name is Kevin Ryerson, who channeled for her. So, yeah, I knew what it was, but here I was doing it, but I was a musician too. So, it was kind of similar process.
Johnny Burke: So you’re a musician. What is the connection between musicians and channeling? I’ve been told that there is some type of predisposition for those artistic types. Is that true?
Barbara With: It’s very true because if you think about a musician, when I write music, I go into nothing and listen for song melody words, rhythm structure. So I’m pulling these things out of nothing. And if you think of a musician who improvises, they have to be a little bit ahead of themselves to pull those notes out and know what to play. And we’re all channeling our own lives into reality on that level too.
Johnny Burke: I’ve been told that everybody does channel, whether they know it or not. So, speaking of music, who is the psychic sorority? If it’s not a band name, it probably should be, probably a band in Brooklyn or Portland or something like that.
Barbara With: Portland.
Johnny Burke: In all seriousness, what is that?
Barbara With: That was the name of the two women and I, the three of us who first came together in 1993 when I wanted to channel for a group of people, I had been channeling for individuals as a psychic, and I thought, what are these voices going to say? If there’s more than one person, what are they saying anyway? Because nobody who came for a reading would stay around and talk about what it meant. They took their recording and off they went, and they’d come back and off they’d went. So Kim and Theresa were different. They wanted to know everything. They transcribed their readings. They hung around me on my gigs to talk about it in the interim. And so, we started doing groups and we called ourselves the psychic sorority.
Johnny Burke: You were channeling as a group, is that the idea?
Barbara With: I was channeling to a group.
Johnny Burke: To a group.
Barbara With: Yeah.
Johnny Burke: In your early experiences, what type of beings or maybe even groups were you, in contact with?
Barbara With: In the beginning it wasn’t anything. Yeah, I was an antenna. That’s how I felt. I wasn’t talking to dead people. There were no angels. It was just, if I was reading for you, I’d be picking up like a radio signal information around you and feeding it back to your human mind that couldn’t see it readily.
So when the psychic sorority came in, of course the two of them wanted to know, who are you in a reading I was doing for the three of us? Well, who are you? And I thought, well, I think I’m an antenna, but let’s see what they say. And they said, “you can call us angels. ” And I was very skeptical, naturally skeptic. The three of us talked about it and decided that we didn’t really care if it was the Easter bunny because what they were telling us to do was absolutely having the most profound impact on our lives that anything ever had. So we were okay with it.
Johnny Burke: And what were some of those messages?
Barbara With: Well, the message was that they had come here, they said they had this revolutionary process that if human beings did it to resolve conflict first with themselves. That the byproduct would be the manifestation of world peace as a reflection of this piece within here as per this theoretical process, they needed humans to test it on. They needed us to test this theory for them. It was really, really curious and amazing and miraculous. But what we went through it, we published our Diaries. Diaries of a psychic sorority talking with the angels. If they told us keep notes, just write it all down because there’s going to be a paper trail later for when you see, and, and sure enough, we had our first bite I was pointing my finger at Kim and she was pointing her finger at me and I said, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, let’s go get the transcript of the thing we just channeled – they want us to test this stuff.
So I got the transcript to open it up. If you’re involved in the conflict, your root of it is within you. And in that moment, call it synergy I guess, or satori, we all sort of had this aha moment and broke down and cried. And I said, you know, here’s what I can do. Here’s what I need to do here. And Kim was able to say the same and. It had a very profound effect on many, many layers, and it was really the beginning of the actual research and development into what became conflict revolution, which is what my training and my teaching is about even today.
Johnny Burke: Did you say conflict revolution, not resolution?
Barbara With: Revolution, conflict revolution.
Johnny Burke: How is the conflict revolution different than resolution?
Barbara With: Conflict resolution is about two parties coming together and the right kind of language and listening to each other and trying to work out a resolution within what we call the lens, right? The arena conflict. Revolution is about looking at that arena and then, revolving our focus back to our own energy field to find out where these triggers are actually leading us to find our root part of it. And when we find our root and we do what we do to resolve it here, after we’ve resolved it, then in the arena there’s a natural resolution that is much greater than anything that two people going into the arena of the conflict, could have achieved. So that’s the basic premise.
Johnny Burke: So how do we instill that practice in people worldwide? That seems like, a really big task. How do we do that?
Barbara With: One person at a time
Johnny Burke: This could take a while.
Barbara With: It does, but what else can we do? What else can anybody do at any point, but make sure their own house is in order. Then set about in your day to have the greatest impact that you can. And some people will have an important impact at the grocery store, and some people will have important impact on great stages in front of many people. But it’s part of a movement, I think. And the more that I do this now, you see how long I’ve been doing this, and now it’s 2024, where on the brink of World War iii, people are far more willing to understand that, oh, this is what I can do. I can just do my part. And when you see the maps that Einstein has delivered to us of the unified field and how consciousness is created, you see you have a big chunk of planet Earth. We are a part of the earth. And so everything we do for ourselves, we, I, imbue into the earth itself. So we make much more of a difference, I think, than people realize.
Johnny Burke: Speaking of Einstein, I can see his picture literally right behind you. Now, you discovered at one point you were actually channeling him. When did that happen and, how do you know and how do we know that it was actually him?
Barbara With: It came about because after we published our first book, and I had a little tiny bit of notoriety as a channel. I got an invitation from a tabloid in London in 1998 to channel an, interview with Princess Di on the one year anniversary of her passing. That’s a long story that I’ll say for a later date, but I did the channel, and they didn’t want it, but my agent and I made a list of other people. We thought, wow, if you could channel famous people, who would you ask? And some of them wanted to, some of them didn’t. But when we got to John Kennedy after we did that interview, he said, we will tell you who’s next. Put your list away. We’ve been working these souls in afterlife to help with this world peace thing.
And that was when Einstein came into the queue and I thought, oh my gosh, he wasn’t even on the list. I mean, who doesn’t love Einstein? But it’s not like I was a big Einstein fan or anything. But when I channeled him, it was the voice of all of my readings from the time I’ve been channeling. And that was really profound, and it took me several years because that’s a big thing to say. For me, it was like, what? how do we know this is Einstein? first of all, by what he said in his reading, his chapter of Party of 12, the afterlife interviews turned into that book. He was brilliant, but then I decided, well, maybe I should just channel something just for him.
On a hundred-year anniversary of equals mc squared, I did a series of channeling and then I sat down to edit and it was him delivering a unified field theory with this map of human consciousness and a scientific, quantifiable definition of compassion as the fifth fundamental force of the universe. And then he set about to dictate this to me, all I ever wanted to be was a rockstar and here I was. So it’s taken many, many years of adaptation to the idea to see for myself and coming to the conclusion that I ultimately think it’s all a mystery. I happen to believe it’s him because of the very nature of the information that’s come through. Especially last April, I went to the science of Consciousness conference that the University of Arizona Tucson has been doing it for 30 years. All the left-brain scientists delivering their theories of consciousness and I think people have to see it for themselves and then make their own decision. That’s how I feel about it.
Johnny Burke: Okay, so you mentioned the party of 12 a moment ago; Einstein is , member of that party, I take it right?
Barbara With: He was the instigator back in the dayswhen we were first discovering all this to bring together this party of souls, all of whom in real life were peace activists. Well, Princess Di was very much a peace activist. We did Freud and JFK and Anmar Sadat, and Jesus, and to have this message. But it’s turned into whoever it is, in this venerable group of souls that I am channeling. It isn’t always just Albert Einstein. It’s a very large collective of souls that has gotten larger and larger and larger because who wouldn’t want to be in this party? If you leave the planet and you’re so worried about how to make peace or you know what’s going on, your children, you left behind, how are we ever going to make peace when you leave and go into afterlife? And that’s what you’re attracted to. There’s a lot of people in this party,
Johnny Burke: That’s good there’s a lot of people in that party, and I imagine this group comprises the angelic peacemakers that you talk about.?
Barbara With: I think it’s both. I think there is a very much a divine angelic presence in this work because it’s about compassion as the fifth fundamental force of the universe, meaning we are made up of compassion. So thereis a very much, an angelic divine force, but I do believe that Einstein , was in on the angels. Things like after we had our first fight and we were documenting it and we agreed that it felt like the angels had come into the room and we did a channel and, the Angels said, yes, we were there with you, and you could see us holding up our beer steins. And I thought at the moment, the angels drink beer?
Johnny Burke: I don’t know, do they?
Barbara With: They, well, I think Einstein was in amongst them drinking beer with them then, so, yeah. Yeah. It’s really mysterious. But the outcomes and the, and the books and the information it’s so awe inspiring to me that I could be a part of this.
Johnny Burke: Okay so you were channeling Albert Einstein and somehow you discovered during your journey the unified field theory and it actually has maps of human consciousness. And there’s a definition of compassion you can actually quantify? How does that work?
Barbara With: To the best of my unscientific ability in the universe, there’s this stuff called dark matter, and you can’t see dark matter, but you can see the impact dark matter has on matter. So for example, these are the four fundamental forces; electromagnetics, you see it has sort of an igniting effect on physical matter. Gravity, you see that having kind of a guiding effect. And the strong nuclear force you see when things are attracted or repelled. And the weak nuclear force is when things are transformed from yellow to red, from two degree whatever. Supposedly in real science, not my neoscience, that the four fundamental forces are the basis of what creates the physical universe.
So compassion, he says, as the fifth fundamental force is that it’s the creative intelligence that uses the four fundamental forces to impel the creation of the physical world one step at a time. And there are three different influences that compassion has on energy that you can see happen. So, the first one, like a compass, that draws circles. Compassion impels energy to step out of the nothing mystery and into the everything and create this circular membrane domain that surrounds all of the mathematics in, in everything that are going to make up you and , I have my compilation that makes up me, and from this compilation, which is all taking place in the center of the earth- it’s operating like a black hole. And trust me, 2005 when he told me that, I said, I have to go tell the world this.
So the good news, it’s actually scientifically being proven, but there’s a gravitational wave that runs from the center of the earth where your compilation is, up to the surface of the planet and it burst forth into the lens we call it. That’s the physical world where your body is. It creates your body. It’s projecting and then perceiving all the separation of that unity. The second thing that compassion does though, is it takes, all of our compilations and it aligns us to true north so that we’re all on the same map , like your Chicago is my Chicago kind of thing..
The third thing that Compassion does, it imbues all of this energy and all of this consciousness with the deep understanding that it’s really one being. Unity and the more classical definition of compassion. So Einstein is saying that because you can measure these things, it becomes quantifiable. It’s not just an esoteric idea that love is the fabric of the universe, it’s the actual fifth fundamental force that’s driving the whole set of creation. And to me, if that’s not Einstein, I don’t know what it is. When you see it all and you see the map of human consciousness as you can’t have the physical world without having human consciousness.Otherwise, it’s just potential.
Johnny Burke: I wonder if Einstein is buddies with Nicola Tesla . When you talk about compassion or love as something that’s measurable, and that is the fifth element, it reminds me of some type of Tesla energy. He would think that might be the same thing. Since you’re talking about Einstein which obviously brings to mind the theory of relativity in the quantum realm. What else have you learned about the quantum realm, which we don’t see here on earth?
Barbara With: When you look at the maps. As I just described it and, we talk about these three human dimensions, these three dimensions that make us human: emotion, intuition, and intellect. So when we look in on the quantum realm, we see in this model that emotion with a capital E, not just our feelings in the human lens, but at the root of everything, emotion, Einstein labels, that quantum, chaotic field where we’re coming out of nothing , and we’re a wave and we’re stepping into being particles that are then going to pull together and create form right in the lens. So emotion is that quantum chaotic field where your particles are mixed up with the computer’s, particles are mixed up with your neighbor’s particles, and it’s our inner gravity that is beginning to kind of pull all that together as it moves up the wave.
So that whole relationship between emotion, intuition and intellect as the kind of the map of this inner world of human consciousness that then dictates what goes into the lens. I think that’s revolutionary. And to this day, every day that I learn more about it, in fact, I’m doing these meditations on Wednesday mornings through the summer that have to do with sort of what you’re talking about, Tesla, because he was about the electromagnetic waves of the earth and on a compass north is zero degrees.
So in our model, we’re all aligned to true north. So we are zero degrees of separation from compassion, we are made up of this substance and where all the conflicts manifest in the lens Einstein says, takes place between the intuition. Which is always impelling us to take the next step for the good of the whole operating system, because that’s what it’s imbued to do.
But when we get to intellect, intellect has been given the power to say no to intuition and make a different decision. And he says at a very, very, root, microscopic level, that’s where all conflicts originate from. So there’s a lot that has come out of this that is just really mind blowing and things are catching up with me now after 30 some years.
Johnny Burke: In your observations during your channeling and your contact with these angelic peacemakers, have you actually had a glimpse of the afterlife yourself?
Barbara With: I think after seeing these maps and understanding that the analogy of afterlife in relation to the unified field theory and the maps is that we have an operating system. And right now we have a lens where our body is and, space time, it’s all playing out. In that lens, there’s still this gravitational wave that comes from the center of the planet and then it goes on to meet the earth’s electromagnetic field and goes back up into the North Pole. It comes back down and it’s this spinning string there’s this massive complex system, but the lens is only 10% of it.
So afterlife is really the rest of the operating system that when our body dies and there’s no more lens, the string is still spinning. It still has all that programming. Every decision we ever made in our life has been compiled. It’s just spinning at the speed of light squared now. And so Einstein says, first of all, there’s a part of us that’s dead already. We used to joke about it. We’re in the afterlife now and he just shares my gravitational wave with his and I can be in his afterlife, if that makes any sense.
Johnny Burke: So you have experienced it yourself somehow. It’s almost as if someone said, don’t listen to this station. Roll the dial up to this station on this frequency, and you are able to access that because a lot of these discussions do boil down to, frequency, wavelength, vibration and things like that. I think you just mentioned once we’re in the afterlife, we are vibrating, much faster. Is that true?
Barbara With: Yes, because if you think of e equals mc squared, energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. So when you take away the mass of your body then energy and the speed of light squared speeds up.
Johnny Burke: It seems like once we do enter that world, the spiritual realm is that we become more like a light being then as one of my speakers called a meat bag. I don’t really like that term, but I get the point. What I’m curious about though, since you’ve had a glimpse into this world, were there any occurrences of being able to see like past lives or future lives or anything like that?
Barbara With: Yes, in fact on the map we can clearly illustrate how I can be having one life, my compilation is sending out this wave to be Barbara in 2024 on this DNA space time. At the same time, another part of my compilation is maybe sending out a wave to Ireland in 900 BC in, in this DNA space, time body. But those waves are still spinning back up into the North Pole and coming down and cross-pollinating. So that you hear people talk about timeline healing or experiencing their past lives, this is kind of the model that shows how that happens.
Johnny Burke: So are they happening all at the same time or is it more like someone looking at the Akashic records or being able to view the records and just seeing a Panorama? They’re not happening at the same time, but they’re available to see, or maybe even experience.
Barbara With: I think both, I think they are happening simultaneously, but you have to understand that because of the, the operating system view or me, is this spinning string with these, three human dimensions and this lens that is programmed to a particular space time. So 2024, and here’s my DNA body over here is a different space time, so it’s 900 BC and because they’re happening simultaneously, but not at the same time in that sense.
Johnny Burke: It’s very hard to get our earth minds around that. I do remember hearing people describe, near death experiences, for instance, where they almost always say time over there is not like what it is here. It doesn’t really exist.
Speaking of the spiritual realm, what has your experience taught you about, the astral and where that fits in, the spiritual realm?
Barbara With: I think all of these different realms and planes and realizations are all part of this expanding consciousness. So going from creatures who looked out of our eyes and had five senses in the physical world, thinking that this is the primary world to waking up in different parts of ourselves that truly exist outside of the physical world in the non-physical world. And so, our consciousness begins to be aware of them sort of waking up to the fact that, oh, wait a minute. There’s this whole astral plane that can be operated outside of the physical focus of realm. There’s different varying layers of energy, going for our model into the center of the planet where our compilation is, where all the math is. We do work there. So we wake up, so to speak, our consciousness literally into the center of the earth. So it’s all of that expansion into this fuller, richer, deeper humanity that we’re becoming.
Johnny Burke: But isn’t the astral a place where typically there’s lower vibrational beings?
Barbara With: I have a difficult time with subjugating levels of vibration because in our maps, it’s the whole of everything. It’s the lowest vibration and the highest vibration. We’re trying to get away from this and go over here. We’re trying to unify the entire field.
Johnny Burke: That has come up in those discussions before where the astral is, where apparently the lower vibrational beings tend to kind of live, and then the higher evolved beings are a little bit up the proverbial light ladder. You had mentioned in your work that, the manifestation of matter in this space is almost instantaneous. How did you discover that?
Barbara With: I think the manifestation of matter being instantaneous would be us that we are spontaneously manifesting life itself through our bodies and through this process.
Johnny Burke: About the non-physical world, what’s the most important thing that you’ve learned?
Barbara With: We are intimately and eternally connected to the nonphysical world and have a big part of our anatomy in the nonphysical world that has a profound effect on our lives and how they manifest and how they unfold. And the more that we explore and learn what those things are however you do it, I think conflict revolution is fascinating and effective. But you know, certainly transcendental meditation, and any other kind of enlightening activity that brings unity to yourself. I think it’s really important for us to learn about who we are and we can make a huge difference with that energy for sure.
Johnny Burke: Any closing messages from the party of 12, for our civilization?
Barbara With: I would say they want us to know, do not underestimate how important taking control of your own energy the impact that it has on the macrocosm, and that’s the whole message of our World Peace Tour is world peace, one person at a time, starting with you. And that unification can bring a lot of power and influence, certainly in your own thriving, which then everything radiates out from there.
Johnny Burke: Anything that moves us towards peace is obviously something that would be very welcome, especially here in the States. Barbara, thanks for joining us tonight. In the meantime. How can our listeners find you online?
Barbara With: Well, Johnny, thanks for having me. Everybody could go to Barbarawith.com or you could go to SynergyAlliance.llc. That’s the whole story of the psychic sorority and conflict revolution, and all my classes and all my podcasts.
Johnny Burke: I’ll put that link in the show notes and the transcript as well, you’ve been listening to Closer to Venus. I’m Johnny Burke, if you enjoyed today’s episode. Please consider subscribing. You can also find more information on closer to venus.com. Thanks for tuning in, and we’ll see you next time.